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jitabomber	Posted - 2008.01.17 08:40:00 - [1] Edited by: jitabomber on 17/01/2008 08:43:11 Ok since the question was never really answered by CCP and the thread is closed down. Last post was made in june of 2007. My question to CCP GM's is, is gathering a group of people together to smart bomb outside of a trade hub and than warp haulers in to scoop the loot a bannable offense if we take the security hit for any damage we do? Of course we would be suicide bombing and losing our own ships. I realize some new players would be caught in the cross fire so to speak but we are generally after the bigger juicier targets. I would really like a clear answer on this as I already have everything planned out. Regards, Jitabomber Coming to a hub near you. -=EDIT=- Link to orginal thread with cryptic gm answer
marketmonkey	Posted - 2008.01.17 08:44:00 - [2] I dont think you can smart-bomb by station or gates anymore. Im pretty sure you have to be 5k+ off of a celestial object to use em.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2008.01.17 08:45:00 - [3] Why would that be a bannable offense? What part of that sounds bannable or like an exploit? - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
RnProphet The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.17 08:47:00 - [4] Depends on how many ravens you bring, might crash the node with the concord response.
RaTTuS BIG Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:02:00 - [5] not a banable offence [probably] as long as you don't recycle characters to do it. you could crash the node though and that will mean you wont get anything ... or very little as it will be free for all when every one logs back in -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve [Now Verified] & Recruiting
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:02:00 - [6] Hello, Jita Bomber! Let me begin by saying, you cannot actually smartbomb trade hubs. Its impossible actually. You have to be 5000 km off of gates or stations. I will also let you know, you are going to need a hell of a lot of ships with smartbombs to kill anything of any size in Jita. Lastly, why the hell would you possibly think that activating a smartbomb in high-sec would be a bannable offense. -Karlemgne
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:03:00 - [7] i still want to sit 5km off a gate and rip some smarties, wonder how many ap haulers you could get in jita
Starfury Shang Pod Industries New Eden Entertainment	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:05:00 - [8] Edited by: Starfury Shang on 17/01/2008 09:04:59 Originally by: Karlemgne Hello, Jita Bomber! Let me begin by saying, you cannot actually smartbomb trade hubs. Its impossible actually. You have to be 5000 km off of gates or stations. I will also let you know, you are going to need a hell of a lot of ships with smartbombs to kill anything of any size in Jita. Lastly, why the hell would you possibly think that activating a smartbomb in high-sec would be a bannable offense. -Karlemgne 5000km or 5000m?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:06:00 - [9] 5 km 5000m
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:08:00 - [10] I read the original thread. The CCP employees in that thread weren't actually GMs, they were developers. There is a difference. What it seems they are warning you against is smartbombing people in noobie systems. Can baiting noobs, and possibly using smarties in a noob system on noobs is considered griefing. If you did this, you'd probably get a warning. Repeated offenses would get you banned. -Karlemgne
Ting Tong	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:09:00 - [11] IIRC you can not be within 5000 meters But the range of the smart bombs you use should easily catch ships sitting in the undock area. Also, so long as you do this with your 'Main' character and not a new pilot alt that you wouldrecycle, then I don't belive it would be bannable as it is not an exploit or harassement. Becasue you would be accepting the security penalty as a result. BTW, please post the mail you get from the pilots you kill in Crime and Punishment, I am sure you would get some nice ones
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:13:00 - [12] Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 17/01/2008 09:14:46 Flying craft loaded with explosives... check. Suicidal pilots... check. Large trade hub full of innocent civilians... check. ****************** CCP allows virtual terrorism? Check.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:16:00 - [13] Originally by: Ting Tong IIRC you can not be within 5000 meters But the range of the smart bombs you use should easily catch ships sitting in the undock area. 5km from station and undock points are what 20-30km away? (at least on the jita 4-4 style station)
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Ting Tong IIRC you can not be within 5000 meters But the range of the smart bombs you use should easily catch ships sitting in the undock area. Yep...a T1 large smartie has a 5KM range. A T2 smartie a 6KM range. Faction/Officer smarties even more although they are WAY too expensive to want to use in a suicide. Position yourself carefully and you can catch everyone in the undock area. I was under the impression this was a bannable offense as well but not sure why (just rumor...I do not recall reading a Dev/GM post on it [which is not to say there wasn't one]).
jitabomber	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:18:00 - [15] No I know it's not a bannable offense to activate a smartbomb in high sec. What I'm wondering and perhaps I phrased the question wrong. Is it bannable to sit just outside of the 5km range and activate the smart bombs to make the ships explode that are undocked, lose my ship to concord and than warp a hauler in to scoop the loot and make a profit. Obliviously would take multiple ships suiciding in order to blow up the other ships since this will not be a direct target suicide. Now since Jita is a 0.9 system it can not be classified a new player system. So If the plan were to come to fruition and I continued to play the character and not dispose of him, how would the GM's declare this. Since it would wreck my security status till such point that I fixed it by ratting or low sec / null sec mission running that I could return to jita and do it again.
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:19:00 - [16] Originally by: Starfury Shang Edited by: Starfury Shang on 17/01/2008 09:04:59 Originally by: Karlemgne Hello, Jita Bomber! Let me begin by saying, you cannot actually smartbomb trade hubs. Its impossible actually. You have to be 5000 km off of gates or stations. I will also let you know, you are going to need a hell of a lot of ships with smartbombs to kill anything of any size in Jita. Lastly, why the hell would you possibly think that activating a smartbomb in high-sec would be a bannable offense. -Karlemgne 5000km or 5000m? 5000m Sorry about that.
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:21:00 - [17] Originally by: jitabomber No I know it's not a bannable offense to activate a smartbomb in high sec. What I'm wondering and perhaps I phrased the question wrong. Is it bannable to sit just outside of the 5km range and activate the smart bombs to make the ships explode that are undocked, lose my ship to concord and than warp a hauler in to scoop the loot and make a profit. Obliviously would take multiple ships suiciding in order to blow up the other ships since this will not be a direct target suicide. Now since Jita is a 0.9 system it can not be classified a new player system. So If the plan were to come to fruition and I continued to play the character and not dispose of him, how would the GM's declare this. Since it would wreck my security status till such point that I fixed it by ratting or low sec / null sec mission running that I could return to jita and do it again. No. Griefing a bunch of noobs, say in Ammold by smart bombing them is.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:23:00 - [18] Does smartbombing a wreck kill the wreck? Seems to me if it does and you want the loot the chances of wiping most of the wrecks with the loot using smartbombs is rather good. Note: It is people like the OP why I never go to Jita to pick up anything except in a freighter. Even moving 10k m3 of cheap stuff...just too many jokers (and I happen to base not far from Jita and my hauler ALT can easily AFK slowboat there).
Miniturret Amarr Rum Runners Inc	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:24:00 - [19] hmmm interesting concept. please frapps it when and if you do it so we can watch. makes mental note: do not go near jita any time soon Tired of looking for shops and services see here: Compiled List of Shops, Manufacturers, and Services
ZENZATION MeMento.	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:25:00 - [20] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: jitabomber No I know it's not a bannable offense to activate a smartbomb in high sec. What I'm wondering and perhaps I phrased the question wrong. Is it bannable to sit just outside of the 5km range and activate the smart bombs to make the ships explode that are undocked, lose my ship to concord and than warp a hauler in to scoop the loot and make a profit. Obliviously would take multiple ships suiciding in order to blow up the other ships since this will not be a direct target suicide. Now since Jita is a 0.9 system it can not be classified a new player system. So If the plan were to come to fruition and I continued to play the character and not dispose of him, how would the GM's declare this. Since it would wreck my security status till such point that I fixed it by ratting or low sec / null sec mission running that I could return to jita and do it again. No. Griefing a bunch of noobs, say in Ammold by smart bombing them is. Since when is griefing a bannable offence? Can someone get me a quote from the EULA? "You may not blow up newbies?" Is that what it says? I very much doubt it, we all pay for this game and if we want to spend our time blowing up newbies then that is the right the game mechanics give us.
SS HITARN Amarr HARDC0RE	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:27:00 - [21] Err ...arnt you overlooking something? wouldn't the smartbombs destroy most of the loot aswell?
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:28:00 - [22] Originally by: ZENZATION Since when is griefing a bannable offence? Can someone get me a quote from the EULA? "You may not blow up newbies?" Is that what it says? I very much doubt it, we all pay for this game and if we want to spend our time blowing up newbies then that is the right the game mechanics give us. Well...actual "griefing" is hard to do in EVE. But if, for instance, you do nothing in EVE but chase one particular guy around forever trying to mess his gameplay then that is griefing and CCP will stop you. CCP has also stated that baiting newbies is bannable as would be sitting outside a newbie station and smartbombing them. Note this ONLY applies to newbies in starter systems. I think the reasons for this should be apparent (I hope they are).
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:29:00 - [23] Originally by: SS HITARN Err ...arnt you overlooking something? wouldn't the smartbombs destroy most of the loot aswell? Strangely, smartbombs don't do damage to wrecks or cargo containers. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:34:00 - [24] Originally by: ZENZATION Since when is griefing a bannable offence? Can someone get me a quote from the EULA? "You may not blow up newbies?" Is that what it says? Ok...found it. It almost says that. Here ya go.
ZENZATION MeMento.	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: ZENZATION Since when is griefing a bannable offence? Can someone get me a quote from the EULA? "You may not blow up newbies?" Is that what it says? Ok...found it. It almost says that. Here ya go. omg
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:39:00 - [26] To the OP looks like another player was warned for repeated (note the "repeated" part) smartbombing in Jita. Take it FWIW: Originally by: Miz Cenuij After suiciding 7 bombergeddons per night over a week, I too was placed ona final warning for "griefing" despite a differant GM having told me it was OK a week earlier. I would love to return to mass murder in Jita, but some clarification on the subject is required, lest more people lose thier accounts. NB: I was not recycling characters, all of the attacks were made on my main char. SOURCE: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=511519#5
Miniturret Amarr Rum Runners Inc	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:39:00 - [27] to the above poster. yes that is the definition of griefing but the OP plans to make a profit off of this plan. so therefore by their own definitions it is not griefing. huh i foresee an update coming soon(tm) to their definition of griefing. Tired of looking for shops and services see here: Compiled List of Shops, Manufacturers, and Services
SS HITARN Amarr HARDC0RE	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:44:00 - [28] Edited by: SS HITARN on 17/01/2008 09:45:29 Originally by: EULA A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersÆ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. . Scoop the cans = lots of profit = not griefing edit typo
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:54:00 - [29] But how are you gonna go about it when you need to be 5000 meters from the perimeter of an object like a station? Unless you can pull people a good 10km away from the station, it wont work.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.17 10:04:00 - [30] Originally by: Miniturret to the above poster. yes that is the definition of griefing but the OP plans to make a profit off of this plan. so therefore by their own definitions it is not griefing. huh i foresee an update coming soon(tm) to their definition of griefing. Technically blowing up newbs can be profitable. Not much profit grant you but you can make some money doing it. Note they leave themselves the loophole big enough to drive an Avatar through with the "At our discretion" part. Also note my quote of Miz Cenuij above where he was smartbombing Jita and got warned. Up to you to sort what that means exactly.

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