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Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:18:00 - [31] Originally by: Assens Letta Good luck on your venture, now just a feww questions to start with: 1- its just you right ? 2- how many trained alts for production ? 3- how many trained inventors 4- if you are doing invention do you plan to do the copying part yourself ? how many chars are linned up for that ? if not what do you assume the overhead increase will be ? 5- time availability, RL and eve and the time to generate 1B/d in proffit ? can you commnet in any missaps that might occur ? 1 - I may give work to others and pay them isk for what ever they are doing based on time and profits. Hauling and such, but over all yes just me. 2 - Alts are not an issue. I can run 119 Factory Jobs and still PVP (I may be off on teh factory jobs by 10 or so, don't have exact count right now). 3 - I have 2 Inventors Trained, one with all skills at lvl 4, one with all skills at lvl 5, both can use 11 science labs, all alts can build t2 items. My alts all have 6mil to 35mil skill points give or take. 4 - Again my alts all have max science skills for the most part, I think I have enough alts to run aprox 70 labs at anytime. 5 - Only mishap that could occur is I get pulled back out to sea for a month or 2 when I get back. If this happens should happen within first few months back, which is good because all I will be doing is reseraching in that time frame anyway. I still have ways to make isk while away as well, dividends may suffer some but should not stop the IPO in anyway. Time is really the only issue I will have to play with, I don't forsee it getting into my way though. Worse case I would sell the BPO's, sell the minerals and close out the IPO if after a while I can't produce what I want for my investors. I am not afraid to say I failed just as fast as I will say told you I could do it. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:18:00 - [32] Originally by: Proton Power If you look at Ray's Example. It is my API Key, or atleast was as of a few weeks back. I will probably let him use mine as his example still if he wish's to do so, which would allow anyone to look anytime at my API and give Ray that extra boost on what he has created. It is indeed, and will continue to be unless you change it. But by all means use it, swamp it. Just change the URL to http://www.big-eve.com/wallet as I think the rise-kb domain is expiring soon. Also, reserved 122b. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Balogh Gallente Real-time EVE Stock Exchange	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:19:00 - [33] Originally by: Assens Letta Originally by: Proton Power Edited by: Proton Power on 17/01/2008 15:41:36 Originally by: Bouncer Ricdic Are you taking reservations? I will take up to 250bil isk in reservations. This means if I do open the IPO as intended, you will get first dibs on what you have reserved nothing more. Why 250bil, well if somone changes minds in 2 or 3 months, if you have next reservation spot you get chance to get shares still. A backup if you will. Originally by: Proton Power Starting Isk - 95bil Isk - Into BPO's 50bil Isk - Into Minerals 50bil Isk - Into Trade / Possible Reactions / POS's, Play isk if you will. 95+50+50 = 195B if u accept 250B in reservations ? That's overreserving. It allows reservations of more ISK than is actually being accepted, so that if someone eventually backs out, there are plenty more reservations available. _________ Real-time EVE Stock Exchange, Blog Feature request: Share transfer log (4 months and counting!)
Shannar'a Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:21:00 - [34] reserve 15 billion
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:23:00 - [35] Originally by: Assens Letta Originally by: Proton Power Edited by: Proton Power on 17/01/2008 15:41:36 Originally by: Bouncer Ricdic Are you taking reservations? I will take up to 250bil isk in reservations. This means if I do open the IPO as intended, you will get first dibs on what you have reserved nothing more. Why 250bil, well if somone changes minds in 2 or 3 months, if you have next reservation spot you get chance to get shares still. A backup if you will. Originally by: Proton Power Starting Isk - 95bil Isk - Into BPO's 50bil Isk - Into Minerals 50bil Isk - Into Trade / Possible Reactions / POS's, Play isk if you will. 95+50+50 = 195B if u accept 250B in reservations ? Are the remaining 55B coming out of your pocket ? How much is the overall IPO worth ? How many shares ? How much will u retain in terms of shares (if anything at all) ? 1 - The extra 5bil will remain unused in Wallet at all times for emergency type funds, share buy backs, and such. 2 - If you look at what I said, the IPO is only 200bil, any isk that I invest will come out of that 200bil. The reason for 250b in reservations is so that in 3mths when I go to collect the isk, lets say somone that said they watned 10bil does not have 10bil or no longer wants any, I already have a backup for them. 3 - Shares will = the amount of the IPO, I have not even looked at exact figures on this tbh. 4 - Only shares I will retain are the shares that I buy, they will goto my other main DeathGrip. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:27:00 - [36] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Proton Power If you look at Ray's Example. It is my API Key, or atleast was as of a few weeks back. I will probably let him use mine as his example still if he wish's to do so, which would allow anyone to look anytime at my API and give Ray that extra boost on what he has created. It is indeed, and will continue to be unless you change it. But by all means use it, swamp it. Just change the URL to http://www.big-eve.com/wallet as I think the rise-kb domain is expiring soon. Also, reserved 122b. I will reserve 50bil, and at end if any shares go unsold you can have first shot at them. I am trying to eliminate 1 owner to the IPO. If this does not work for you I appologize. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:29:00 - [37] My questions lie with your business plan. To do what you're saying you'll either need a lot of people working for you or many science/industry alts. Will you be purchasing these or do you have them available? How much time in the day do you plan to dedicate to running this? I've run a module invention business inventing a single module and building 600 of them a day. It took 4 full fledged science industry alts and a lot of time to do. If you're planning on utilizing hundreds of billions in t1 production and invention then that tells me you either have a on of characters, will purchase a ton of character, or have some idea on how to contract this work out to other people. It also tells me you either are planning on spending literally 6+ hours a day running this or you have some good idea on how to get other people to manage your business for you.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:29:00 - [38] Originally by: Proton Power I will reserve 50bil, and at end if any shares go unsold you can have first shot at them. I am trying to eliminate 1 owner to the IPO. If this does not work for you I appologize. That is a satisfactory compromise, although I'm sure you'll have no problem selling this out. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:31:00 - [39] Anyone just realize I just not only sold out on a 200bil isk IPO in less than 2hrs, I have also already been over booked for it? I really figured first 100bil would be easy and second 100bil would take a week or 2. Anyway keep up reservations, When I do decide to go with this, it will be very fast since I want to get the BPO's into reserach quickly as possible. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Tusc	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:31:00 - [40] I'd like to reserve a meager 1 billion.
Sikozu Prioris Suns Of Korhal deadspace society	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:45:00 - [41] Edited by: Sikozu Prioris on 17/01/2008 17:44:46 When it comes to the actual sale of the shares are you going to honor the reservations in order they were placed, or will it more of a case if you reserved get the money to me quick? Lol
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:46:00 - [42] Originally by: Benvie My questions lie with your business plan. To do what you're saying you'll either need a lot of people working for you or many science/industry alts. Will you be purchasing these or do you have them available? How much time in the day do you plan to dedicate to running this? I've run a module invention business inventing a single module and building 600 of them a day. It took 4 full fledged science industry alts and a lot of time to do. If you're planning on utilizing hundreds of billions in t1 production and invention then that tells me you either have a on of characters, will purchase a ton of character, or have some idea on how to contract this work out to other people. It also tells me you either are planning on spending literally 6+ hours a day running this or you have some good idea on how to get other people to manage your business for you. I have 11 Production Alts, 1 Pirate, 1 PVP Main Character. The production alts can all build all t1 items perfect, can build most t2 items, can use 9 through 11 science labs, and use 10 or 11 factory slots. It is possible I may train 2 more up just for production purposes, but not sure on that as of yet. I have over 1200 Sell Orders available to me as well, I think 3 characters with Tycoon LVL 5 and 1 with Tycoon LVL 4 if memory serves right. Time wise the biggest 2 time area's that I see are: A) Hauling Minerals - AFK with 3 Freighter Characters, not many people attack freighters loaded with trit. B) Selling - I plan on Building and Selling over 1000 Ships per month. So this again is a lot of hauling and advertising. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Sikozu Prioris Edited by: Sikozu Prioris on 17/01/2008 17:44:46 When it comes to the actual sale of the shares are you going to honor the reservations in order they were placed, or will it more of a case if you reserved get the money to me quick? Order they were placed. I will give notice as time gets closer and things are going smoothly, at that point I will need the isk within 72hrs or so and if I hear nothing I will go to the next person. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:53:00 - [44] Originally by: Tusc I'd like to reserve a meager 1 billion. 1bil is in no ways Meager mate. Thanks for your trust, and I will do my best to turn that 1bil into 2 or 3 for you. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Erah	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:53:00 - [45] I'll reserve 1b worth of shares Damn I feel tiny with all those multi billions reservations going on... thx
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.17 18:02:00 - [46] I suppose I'll reserve 10 billion just to get my name in there. It's still a long ways off.
RESIX Manager Minmatar RESX Stock Investments	Posted - 2008.01.17 18:15:00 - [47] Reserving 1500m ISK ______________________________ Real-time EVE Stock Exchange, Blog
Tiswas	Posted - 2008.01.17 18:15:00 - [48] I'd like 2bil reserved for me.
jna Caldari Black Ash Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.17 18:30:00 - [49] Been looking for that special something to kick off my investing career I'd like to reserve 1B isk worth of your mighty fine shares please. ------------------------------------------------- When Carebears Attack! <-- Hulk PvP video
Jennine Tyler NewDawn	Posted - 2008.01.17 18:33:00 - [50] i'll bite @ 3bn
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.17 18:43:00 - [51] You did well on your past IPO, maybe you will on this one, but it's just a bit grandiose if you ask me. Too large, too much work, etc for one person. Perhaps you really do plan on devoting every waking minute to EVE... but it's hard for me to invest money into someone on the premise he will devote his entire life to the game. So congrats on selling so many shares so quickly. I do not wish to reserve any. I think a certain DS post deserves a massive bump right about now though. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
aegisburnem Minmatar Ivy League	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:00:00 - [52] I would like to reserve 1 billion.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:11:00 - [53] Originally by: Shadarle You did well on your past IPO, maybe you will on this one, but it's just a bit grandiose if you ask me. Too large, too much work, etc for one person. Perhaps you really do plan on devoting every waking minute to EVE... but it's hard for me to invest money into someone on the premise he will devote his entire life to the game. So congrats on selling so many shares so quickly. I do not wish to reserve any. I think a certain DS post deserves a massive bump right about now though. Maybe you are right, maybe not. My goal is and always has been the same, make much isk as I can in the shortest amount of time possible. I was and still able to make 4-6bil isk in 12hrs time. My goal now is 25bil isk in 60hrs time. Most of which I hope to be AFK hauling. If it becomes to much work then I sell everything off, close the IPO or revise it and re-work it. My original IPO was re-worked over 6 differant times, not sure how many people realize that. When I say re-worked, I mean completely re-gutted, did new things, and changed what I did in order to make it easier on me time wise and better profits for my share holders. You do bring one good point up though, this is a LOT larger than my last IPO. I am in no way guerentee'ing anything other than I will do what ever I can to make the best of this, just as I did before. I doubt I will hit the 24% dividends and such, but if I can hit 11% on 200bil isk for a long period of time I think that should be proof enough that I can run a great IPO, not only small but large as well. Per DS not sure what your talking about to be honest, I do know he mentioned he would not be investing in my next IPO, but no reason really stated why. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Letias Caldari Teikoku Trade Conglomerate Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:26:00 - [54] Put me down for 2.5 billion if there is space :) _____________________________ Originally by: Damini Frostmane Sex isn't sex unless one of you is crying afterwards :-)
Erikel Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:26:00 - [55] Well i'm not as rich as you guys but i'll reserve 250mill worth.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:30:00 - [56] Originally by: Proton Power Per DS not sure what your talking about to be honest, I do know he mentioned he would not be investing in my next IPO, but no reason really stated why. Irrational Exuberance. Interesting topic. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:35:00 - [57] For now no more reservations. I am looking at possibly changing my plan some and making things a little more interesting. Please let me know what you think of this - My current plan could be broken down into probably 15-20 small IPO's. Then people can invest in the IPO that they think would do better than the other IPO's, and as we all know things change in Eve one day my worst producing IPO may become the best producing tomarrow. Maybe make a limit of 10/20% of total shares for each IPO or somthing to that extent. This would cause an actual share type system that people would want to sell and buy based on what is going on in Eve, and any surpises when we think one IPO may do worse than another but then does not happen that way. Example on very small scale just to get thoughts and idea's going, and no these items are not one I would use, just an example - 1 Cruise Missle IPO - 1 Heavy Missle IPO 1 Torp IPO - You can get more specific into what you want to invest in, if that investment does well you get paid more, your share vaule would go up more, if you pick one of the lacking ones you can hold and hope for better payouts, sell and buy one of the better paying out ones, or hope CCP changes somthing in your favor. Does this make sense at what I am going at? And would this make things more interesting? How would I go about tracking shares doing it this way, is there a way to track shares doing it this way? ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
emile1 Target Practice Inc. Pure.	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:36:00 - [58] If there are any shares remaining I would like to reserve 5 billion worth.
Leowen Industrial Giants	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:41:00 - [59] I'm with Shadarle on this one funnily enough. I don't doubt your integrity, nor your capability, but I have 'been there' in terms of pretty much devoting ones life to making ISK, and it brought me down to the point where I quit EVE for quite some time. I can't bring myself to back someone doing the same thing, when I know where it ended for me. Beyond that your plan could potentially conflict with something I have in the works, and it'd be a bit crazy to bet against myself. That said I do wish you the best with this, and have no doubt you'll prove yourself worthy of the trust being placed in you. If I were you though I would definitely spend quite some time ensuring your operation is as streamlined as can be so that you can have an RL too, even if it hits profits by a few %. Good luck Leo
Ayami Sakura	Posted - 2008.01.17 20:07:00 - [60] Originally by: Proton Power For now no more reservations. I am looking at possibly changing my plan some and making things a little more interesting. Please let me know what you think of this - My current plan could be broken down into probably 15-20 small IPO's. Then people can invest in the IPO that they think would do better than the other IPO's, and as we all know things change in Eve one day my worst producing IPO may become the best producing tomarrow. Maybe make a limit of 10/20% of total shares for each IPO or somthing to that extent. This would cause an actual share type system that people would want to sell and buy based on what is going on in Eve, and any surpises when we think one IPO may do worse than another but then does not happen that way. Example on very small scale just to get thoughts and idea's going, and no these items are not one I would use, just an example - 1 Cruise Missle IPO - 1 Heavy Missle IPO 1 Torp IPO - You can get more specific into what you want to invest in, if that investment does well you get paid more, your share vaule would go up more, if you pick one of the lacking ones you can hold and hope for better payouts, sell and buy one of the better paying out ones, or hope CCP changes somthing in your favor. Does this make sense at what I am going at? And would this make things more interesting? How would I go about tracking shares doing it this way, is there a way to track shares doing it this way? Wouldn't this make your IPO less flexible seeing as you would have capital devoted to areas which have less than optimal profit potential? In a large IPO you would be able to direct funds from less rewarding enterprises towards areas which at the moment are more profitable. That said I would have loved to invest, but I'll have to make sure I'm not overextending myself first. I'm afraid it'll be a paltry sum though if I do go ahead. Anyway, good luck with your venture.

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