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Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 15:16:00 - [1] Goal - The goal for this IPO is to become the largest 1 Person IPO ingame, running it close to a true complany scale as I can get while providing Maximum Dividends to my share holders. Plan - Asking for the kind of isk I will be asking for I realize does create the need for an actual plan unlike my last IPO. I do not want to create a plan that will hold me back at any point in time, so this plan is Subject to Change if it can and will benifit myself and shareholders. Notice not just 1, but both myself and the shareholders. The initial plan is simple, I plan on building one of the largest Production Corps in game. I will build everything T1, invention, possibly some POS Reactions, and T2 componets as well. Starting Isk - 95bil Isk - Into BPO's 50bil Isk - Into Minerals 50bil Isk - Into Trade / Possible Reactions / POS's, Play isk if you will. -Security - Probably none. Possibly lock down on all BPO's need to work on how this is done and how it may hinder my investors profits. If I feel I can lock them down without any security issues to myself and it won't effect my investors profits then 100bil+ will be secure. The other 100bil my name should be plenty good for. -Shares - Each share will cost 5mil Isk. The initial sale will require a 100mil+ buy on shares so I am not tied down with 1 share requests. I will offer a buyback on shares at anytime after 6 months(long as isk allows) for initial buy price offering of 5mil Isk. The initial Value of the IPO will be 200bil isk, I will be investing pretty heavy myself probably 50bil +. -API Key - I will play with this some, but offer anyone that has a large (10bil+) investment into CGEZ Proton Power's API Key. Most transactions will be ran through him. -Auditing - I will allow Audits at various times if needed. I will take votes to approve the auditor. -Dividends - You will not get any dividend for the first 3 months. The goal is to start 15 May 2008. On 15 August 2008 you will recieve what ever dividend is / was due for the entire 3mths. This will not be a high dividend due to BPO Research, and getting started. Then on the 15th of every month you will get a dividend. The goal is 11% + for 6mths in a row. If it seems I can't hit 7%+ on a normal basis the IPO will be voted on to be closed and liquidated and all isk paid out to investors. At this time a detailed report of where isk is at and what Company is worth will come out as well. -My Salary - I will be taking 5bil isk per month flat salary, or 2.5% of initial IPO opening. If later on the company is going very strong we will vote to up that if we feel it is needed. This may seem high, but I can currently not open an IPO and make 4-5bil isk a month, all I want is my normal salary. I will not be collecting any salary until the 3rd month as well. Now is time for the Questions, Flames, and what ever else you can throw at me. I will try to answer all questions fairly, but if you continue to flame away at me without any proof of anything then I will ignore you. If they are legit questions, and not an OMG your a scammer type posts I will answer, somtimes you may not like my answers but I will answer. Shares Open for sale Aprox 1 May 2008. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.17 15:21:00 - [2] Isnt 200B too low to be largest 1 person IPO? I thought Ionia was handling more ISK than 200B (both her bonds combined). Anyways good luck.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 15:24:00 - [3] Originally by: Robacz Isnt 200B too low to be largest 1 person IPO? I thought Ionia was handling more ISK than 200B (both her bonds combined). Anyways good luck. Ionia is holding a Bond at 7%. With my current goals I could offer a 400bil isk Bond at 7%. I have never liked bonds though myself, I have always liked IPO's, gives investors another feature, they can buy and sell shares. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.01.17 15:24:00 - [4] While its a novel thought to give away your API key, you should realise that theres gonna be a problem in regards to the API's caching timer. You should pay someone to set up one of Ray's Sexy, and password it somehow :)
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 15:28:00 - [5] Originally by: LaVista Vista While its a novel thought to give away your API key, you should realise that theres gonna be a problem in regards to the API's caching timer. You should pay someone to set up one of Ray's Sexy, and password it somehow :) If you look at Ray's Example. It is my API Key, or atleast was as of a few weeks back. I will probably let him use mine as his example still if he wish's to do so, which would allow anyone to look anytime at my API and give Ray that extra boost on what he has created. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Bouncer Ricdic	Posted - 2008.01.17 15:37:00 - [6] Are you taking reservations?
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 15:39:00 - [7] Edited by: Proton Power on 17/01/2008 15:41:36 Originally by: Bouncer Ricdic Are you taking reservations? I will take up to 250bil isk in reservations. This means if I do open the IPO as intended, you will get first dibs on what you have reserved nothing more. Why 250bil, well if somone changes minds in 2 or 3 months, if you have next reservation spot you get chance to get shares still. A backup if you will. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Bouncer Ricdic	Posted - 2008.01.17 15:42:00 - [8] Ok I (Ricdic) will reserve 5b worth Can I pay in Veldspar?
Relyen Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.01.17 15:44:00 - [9] Reserving 5 Bil worth :)
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 15:48:00 - [10] Facts about Proton Power for those that have not heard of me, nor watched my last IPO. 1 - I have ran multiple POS reactions in low sec. So yes I do know how to do this and make isk doing it. 2 - I have done Invention when it first came out, limited my experience may be with this, I do know how and understand how it works. 3 - Running an IPO - I have ran an IPO that is still probably the best rated IPO as of yet on a smaller scale, I probably paid the highest dividends and over all best IPO that has been closed as of yet. (Small IPO = somthing like 16bil Isk I think). 4 - Making Isk - I have always been able to make isk. This will be a challenge to make 27bil isk per month or 1bil isk per day. But I think I am up for it. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: Robacz Isnt 200B too low to be largest 1 person IPO? I thought Ionia was handling more ISK than 200B (both her bonds combined). Anyways good luck. Ionia is holding a Bond at 7%. With my current goals I could offer a 400bil isk Bond at 7%. I have never liked bonds though myself, I have always liked IPO's, gives investors another feature, they can buy and sell shares. You can run a bond via a share issue, too. Basically, the difference, as we in MD use the terms, is that an IPO pays dividends to its shares based on profits, whereas a bond just pays the same dividend every time. In both cases, aftermarket sales can exist, and in both cases, share value tends to rise above IPO value. I'll invest at least a billion on condition that I get to bore you with math if I find out you aren't doing invention optimally. MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral ~~compression~~expansion! WTF?
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:08:00 - [12] Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: Robacz Isnt 200B too low to be largest 1 person IPO? I thought Ionia was handling more ISK than 200B (both her bonds combined). Anyways good luck. Ionia is holding a Bond at 7%. With my current goals I could offer a 400bil isk Bond at 7%. I have never liked bonds though myself, I have always liked IPO's, gives investors another feature, they can buy and sell shares. You can run a bond via a share issue, too. Basically, the difference, as we in MD use the terms, is that an IPO pays dividends to its shares based on profits, whereas a bond just pays the same dividend every time. In both cases, aftermarket sales can exist, and in both cases, share value tends to rise above IPO value. I'll invest at least a billion on condition that I get to bore you with math if I find out you aren't doing invention optimally. MP If you want to bore me with math you will need to offer atleast 10 times what you are offering right now. I have seen and been part of some of those Math conversations. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: Robacz Isnt 200B too low to be largest 1 person IPO? I thought Ionia was handling more ISK than 200B (both her bonds combined). Anyways good luck. Ionia is holding a Bond at 7%. With my current goals I could offer a 400bil isk Bond at 7%. I have never liked bonds though myself, I have always liked IPO's, gives investors another feature, they can buy and sell shares. You can run a bond via a share issue, too. Basically, the difference, as we in MD use the terms, is that an IPO pays dividends to its shares based on profits, whereas a bond just pays the same dividend every time. In both cases, aftermarket sales can exist, and in both cases, share value tends to rise above IPO value. I'll invest at least a billion on condition that I get to bore you with math if I find out you aren't doing invention optimally. MP If you want to bore me with math you will need to offer atleast 10 times what you are offering right now. I have seen and been part of some of those Math conversations. MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral ~~compression~~expansion! WTF?
Sikozu Prioris Suns Of Korhal deadspace society	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:33:00 - [14] Reserving 5bill please Lol
Macon Squaredealer Squaredeal Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:35:00 - [15] I was an investor in Power Corrupts and certainly can't wait to invest in this IPO. I'm glad to see you doing this Proton. Question: An industrial operation (with POS's) this large could very well be noticed by somebody larger than the casual small fry griefer corp. Is being war dec'd/blackmailed by a heavyweight something you would consider to be a valid concern? ___________________________________________ Watch for the Squaredeal Enterprises IPO in the coming months.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:38:00 - [16] Originally by: Macon Squaredealer I was an investor in Power Corrupts and certainly can't wait to invest in this IPO. I'm glad to see you doing this Proton. Question: An industrial operation (with POS's) this large could very well be noticed by somebody larger than the casual small fry griefer corp. Is being war dec'd/blackmailed by a heavyweight something you would consider to be a valid concern? Very good question. If I do get into POS's again it will be very small scale. Small POS's on good moons and one or 2 reactions in a low sec area with everything in same system. Basicly set it up so even if I did lose all POS's it would cost very little to the Corp. Here is how I look at POS's. If I can't make the isk I am putting into them within 1.5mths they are not worth it. So yes, That is a concern, but it would not effect the corp in the way you are thinking. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Tarash Awin Minmatar Sackville	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:41:00 - [17] I'll reserve 15 billion worth please. Tarash Awin - Sackville [SACKE]
Eridicus Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:44:00 - [18] Edited by: Eridicus on 17/01/2008 16:45:03 Reserving 5B
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:45:00 - [19] I want to know what happened to the shares I bought in Power Corrupts industries in March 2006, never got any dividends after a month...... If I can get that sorted out I will throw some isk at this to earn while away from game. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Macon Squaredealer Squaredeal Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:46:00 - [20] Thanks for the answer. I would like to reserve 5B please. ___________________________________________ Watch for the Squaredeal Enterprises IPO in the coming months.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:49:00 - [21] Originally by: Kirjava I want to know what happened to the shares I bought in Power Corrupts industries in March 2006, never got any dividends after a month...... If I can get that sorted out I will throw some isk at this to earn while away from game. I would have to look at dates and figure out when I closed PCI out, but sounds like you bought shares right before the Last IPO was closed out or close to it. Over all PCI paid over 300% in dividends when all was done and said if you bought at original price. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:49:00 - [22] PP, might i suggest you link up some of your past ventures for the newer ppl here in MD who dont know you. Since you have been gone so long conducting RL anti pirate patrols in low sec. --
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:51:00 - [23] Reserving 5bil --
Shuan Jedai Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:58:00 - [24] Edited by: Shuan Jedai on 17/01/2008 17:03:12 Edited by: Shuan Jedai on 17/01/2008 17:02:23 Dividents per share(after the 3 monts) = (monthly profit - 5b)/number of shares, right? No re-investement? Are you planning to buy shares for yourself or is it just the flat 5b (that might get upgraded)? Just in case this sells out fast, reserving 500M worth of shares.
Prodigal Caldari New Genesis Project	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Proton Power Edited by: Proton Power on 17/01/2008 15:41:36 Originally by: Bouncer Ricdic Are you taking reservations? I will take up to 250bil isk in reservations. This means if I do open the IPO as intended, you will get first dibs on what you have reserved nothing more. Why 250bil, well if somone changes minds in 2 or 3 months, if you have next reservation spot you get chance to get shares still. A backup if you will. I will bite for 10B Please reserve 2000 shares at 5M each please.
Admiral Grevious	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:03:00 - [26] I would like to reserve 1.5 billion.
Athias	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:04:00 - [27] I would like to reserve for 1 bill please, you need some "small" investors as well
Assens Letta Hunerian Science Institute Te-Ka	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:07:00 - [28] Good luck on your venture, now just a feww questions to start with: 1- its just you right ? 2- how many trained alts for production ? 3- how many trained inventors 4- if you are doing invention do you plan to do the copying part yourself ? how many chars are linned up for that ? if not what do you assume the overhead increase will be ? 5- time availability, RL and eve and the time to generate 1B/d in proffit ? can you commnet in any missaps that might occur ?
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:09:00 - [29] Originally by: Shuan Jedai Edited by: Shuan Jedai on 17/01/2008 17:03:12 Edited by: Shuan Jedai on 17/01/2008 17:02:23 Dividents per share(after the 3 monts) = (monthly profit - 5b)/number of shares, right? No re-investement? Are you planning to buy shares for yourself or is it just the flat 5b (that might get upgraded)? Just in case this sells out fast, reserving 500M worth of shares. If this answer does not answer your question please let me know. 90 Days after IPO opens I will pay myself 5bil for getting the IPO going, after that any value over 200bil goes out in dividends to the share holders. I will also be buying shares probably 50bil worth, so I will get dividends on my isk as well just like a real company, the CEO gets a salary and stock deals and such. No matter what I get 5bil at the end of each month, this is my fee for running the IPO. Seems steep, and probably is, but that is my fee. So if corp is worth 212bil after the month I get 5bil and 7bil gets paid out in dividends. If corp is worth 250bil at end of month I get 5bil and 45bil gets paid out in dividends. I don't expect to pay much at all at the end of the 3rd month, more than half the Isk will be sitting in Research Slots for most of those 3mths. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Assens Letta Hunerian Science Institute Te-Ka	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Proton Power Edited by: Proton Power on 17/01/2008 15:41:36 Originally by: Bouncer Ricdic Are you taking reservations? I will take up to 250bil isk in reservations. This means if I do open the IPO as intended, you will get first dibs on what you have reserved nothing more. Why 250bil, well if somone changes minds in 2 or 3 months, if you have next reservation spot you get chance to get shares still. A backup if you will. Originally by: Proton Power Starting Isk - 95bil Isk - Into BPO's 50bil Isk - Into Minerals 50bil Isk - Into Trade / Possible Reactions / POS's, Play isk if you will. 95+50+50 = 195B if u accept 250B in reservations ? Are the remaining 55B coming out of your pocket ? How much is the overall IPO worth ? How many shares ? How much will u retain in terms of shares (if anything at all) ?
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:18:00 - [31] Originally by: Assens Letta Good luck on your venture, now just a feww questions to start with: 1- its just you right ? 2- how many trained alts for production ? 3- how many trained inventors 4- if you are doing invention do you plan to do the copying part yourself ? how many chars are linned up for that ? if not what do you assume the overhead increase will be ? 5- time availability, RL and eve and the time to generate 1B/d in proffit ? can you commnet in any missaps that might occur ? 1 - I may give work to others and pay them isk for what ever they are doing based on time and profits. Hauling and such, but over all yes just me. 2 - Alts are not an issue. I can run 119 Factory Jobs and still PVP (I may be off on teh factory jobs by 10 or so, don't have exact count right now). 3 - I have 2 Inventors Trained, one with all skills at lvl 4, one with all skills at lvl 5, both can use 11 science labs, all alts can build t2 items. My alts all have 6mil to 35mil skill points give or take. 4 - Again my alts all have max science skills for the most part, I think I have enough alts to run aprox 70 labs at anytime. 5 - Only mishap that could occur is I get pulled back out to sea for a month or 2 when I get back. If this happens should happen within first few months back, which is good because all I will be doing is reseraching in that time frame anyway. I still have ways to make isk while away as well, dividends may suffer some but should not stop the IPO in anyway. Time is really the only issue I will have to play with, I don't forsee it getting into my way though. Worse case I would sell the BPO's, sell the minerals and close out the IPO if after a while I can't produce what I want for my investors. I am not afraid to say I failed just as fast as I will say told you I could do it. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:18:00 - [32] Originally by: Proton Power If you look at Ray's Example. It is my API Key, or atleast was as of a few weeks back. I will probably let him use mine as his example still if he wish's to do so, which would allow anyone to look anytime at my API and give Ray that extra boost on what he has created. It is indeed, and will continue to be unless you change it. But by all means use it, swamp it. Just change the URL to http://www.big-eve.com/wallet as I think the rise-kb domain is expiring soon. Also, reserved 122b. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Balogh Gallente Real-time EVE Stock Exchange	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:19:00 - [33] Originally by: Assens Letta Originally by: Proton Power Edited by: Proton Power on 17/01/2008 15:41:36 Originally by: Bouncer Ricdic Are you taking reservations? I will take up to 250bil isk in reservations. This means if I do open the IPO as intended, you will get first dibs on what you have reserved nothing more. Why 250bil, well if somone changes minds in 2 or 3 months, if you have next reservation spot you get chance to get shares still. A backup if you will. Originally by: Proton Power Starting Isk - 95bil Isk - Into BPO's 50bil Isk - Into Minerals 50bil Isk - Into Trade / Possible Reactions / POS's, Play isk if you will. 95+50+50 = 195B if u accept 250B in reservations ? That's overreserving. It allows reservations of more ISK than is actually being accepted, so that if someone eventually backs out, there are plenty more reservations available. _________ Real-time EVE Stock Exchange, Blog Feature request: Share transfer log (4 months and counting!)
Shannar'a Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:21:00 - [34] reserve 15 billion
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:23:00 - [35] Originally by: Assens Letta Originally by: Proton Power Edited by: Proton Power on 17/01/2008 15:41:36 Originally by: Bouncer Ricdic Are you taking reservations? I will take up to 250bil isk in reservations. This means if I do open the IPO as intended, you will get first dibs on what you have reserved nothing more. Why 250bil, well if somone changes minds in 2 or 3 months, if you have next reservation spot you get chance to get shares still. A backup if you will. Originally by: Proton Power Starting Isk - 95bil Isk - Into BPO's 50bil Isk - Into Minerals 50bil Isk - Into Trade / Possible Reactions / POS's, Play isk if you will. 95+50+50 = 195B if u accept 250B in reservations ? Are the remaining 55B coming out of your pocket ? How much is the overall IPO worth ? How many shares ? How much will u retain in terms of shares (if anything at all) ? 1 - The extra 5bil will remain unused in Wallet at all times for emergency type funds, share buy backs, and such. 2 - If you look at what I said, the IPO is only 200bil, any isk that I invest will come out of that 200bil. The reason for 250b in reservations is so that in 3mths when I go to collect the isk, lets say somone that said they watned 10bil does not have 10bil or no longer wants any, I already have a backup for them. 3 - Shares will = the amount of the IPO, I have not even looked at exact figures on this tbh. 4 - Only shares I will retain are the shares that I buy, they will goto my other main DeathGrip. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:27:00 - [36] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Proton Power If you look at Ray's Example. It is my API Key, or atleast was as of a few weeks back. I will probably let him use mine as his example still if he wish's to do so, which would allow anyone to look anytime at my API and give Ray that extra boost on what he has created. It is indeed, and will continue to be unless you change it. But by all means use it, swamp it. Just change the URL to http://www.big-eve.com/wallet as I think the rise-kb domain is expiring soon. Also, reserved 122b. I will reserve 50bil, and at end if any shares go unsold you can have first shot at them. I am trying to eliminate 1 owner to the IPO. If this does not work for you I appologize. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:29:00 - [37] My questions lie with your business plan. To do what you're saying you'll either need a lot of people working for you or many science/industry alts. Will you be purchasing these or do you have them available? How much time in the day do you plan to dedicate to running this? I've run a module invention business inventing a single module and building 600 of them a day. It took 4 full fledged science industry alts and a lot of time to do. If you're planning on utilizing hundreds of billions in t1 production and invention then that tells me you either have a on of characters, will purchase a ton of character, or have some idea on how to contract this work out to other people. It also tells me you either are planning on spending literally 6+ hours a day running this or you have some good idea on how to get other people to manage your business for you.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:29:00 - [38] Originally by: Proton Power I will reserve 50bil, and at end if any shares go unsold you can have first shot at them. I am trying to eliminate 1 owner to the IPO. If this does not work for you I appologize. That is a satisfactory compromise, although I'm sure you'll have no problem selling this out. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:31:00 - [39] Anyone just realize I just not only sold out on a 200bil isk IPO in less than 2hrs, I have also already been over booked for it? I really figured first 100bil would be easy and second 100bil would take a week or 2. Anyway keep up reservations, When I do decide to go with this, it will be very fast since I want to get the BPO's into reserach quickly as possible. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Tusc	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:31:00 - [40] I'd like to reserve a meager 1 billion.
Sikozu Prioris Suns Of Korhal deadspace society	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:45:00 - [41] Edited by: Sikozu Prioris on 17/01/2008 17:44:46 When it comes to the actual sale of the shares are you going to honor the reservations in order they were placed, or will it more of a case if you reserved get the money to me quick? Lol
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:46:00 - [42] Originally by: Benvie My questions lie with your business plan. To do what you're saying you'll either need a lot of people working for you or many science/industry alts. Will you be purchasing these or do you have them available? How much time in the day do you plan to dedicate to running this? I've run a module invention business inventing a single module and building 600 of them a day. It took 4 full fledged science industry alts and a lot of time to do. If you're planning on utilizing hundreds of billions in t1 production and invention then that tells me you either have a on of characters, will purchase a ton of character, or have some idea on how to contract this work out to other people. It also tells me you either are planning on spending literally 6+ hours a day running this or you have some good idea on how to get other people to manage your business for you. I have 11 Production Alts, 1 Pirate, 1 PVP Main Character. The production alts can all build all t1 items perfect, can build most t2 items, can use 9 through 11 science labs, and use 10 or 11 factory slots. It is possible I may train 2 more up just for production purposes, but not sure on that as of yet. I have over 1200 Sell Orders available to me as well, I think 3 characters with Tycoon LVL 5 and 1 with Tycoon LVL 4 if memory serves right. Time wise the biggest 2 time area's that I see are: A) Hauling Minerals - AFK with 3 Freighter Characters, not many people attack freighters loaded with trit. B) Selling - I plan on Building and Selling over 1000 Ships per month. So this again is a lot of hauling and advertising. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Sikozu Prioris Edited by: Sikozu Prioris on 17/01/2008 17:44:46 When it comes to the actual sale of the shares are you going to honor the reservations in order they were placed, or will it more of a case if you reserved get the money to me quick? Order they were placed. I will give notice as time gets closer and things are going smoothly, at that point I will need the isk within 72hrs or so and if I hear nothing I will go to the next person. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:53:00 - [44] Originally by: Tusc I'd like to reserve a meager 1 billion. 1bil is in no ways Meager mate. Thanks for your trust, and I will do my best to turn that 1bil into 2 or 3 for you. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Erah	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:53:00 - [45] I'll reserve 1b worth of shares Damn I feel tiny with all those multi billions reservations going on... thx
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.17 18:02:00 - [46] I suppose I'll reserve 10 billion just to get my name in there. It's still a long ways off.
RESIX Manager Minmatar RESX Stock Investments	Posted - 2008.01.17 18:15:00 - [47] Reserving 1500m ISK ______________________________ Real-time EVE Stock Exchange, Blog
Tiswas	Posted - 2008.01.17 18:15:00 - [48] I'd like 2bil reserved for me.
jna Caldari Black Ash Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.17 18:30:00 - [49] Been looking for that special something to kick off my investing career I'd like to reserve 1B isk worth of your mighty fine shares please. ------------------------------------------------- When Carebears Attack! <-- Hulk PvP video
Jennine Tyler NewDawn	Posted - 2008.01.17 18:33:00 - [50] i'll bite @ 3bn
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.17 18:43:00 - [51] You did well on your past IPO, maybe you will on this one, but it's just a bit grandiose if you ask me. Too large, too much work, etc for one person. Perhaps you really do plan on devoting every waking minute to EVE... but it's hard for me to invest money into someone on the premise he will devote his entire life to the game. So congrats on selling so many shares so quickly. I do not wish to reserve any. I think a certain DS post deserves a massive bump right about now though. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
aegisburnem Minmatar Ivy League	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:00:00 - [52] I would like to reserve 1 billion.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:11:00 - [53] Originally by: Shadarle You did well on your past IPO, maybe you will on this one, but it's just a bit grandiose if you ask me. Too large, too much work, etc for one person. Perhaps you really do plan on devoting every waking minute to EVE... but it's hard for me to invest money into someone on the premise he will devote his entire life to the game. So congrats on selling so many shares so quickly. I do not wish to reserve any. I think a certain DS post deserves a massive bump right about now though. Maybe you are right, maybe not. My goal is and always has been the same, make much isk as I can in the shortest amount of time possible. I was and still able to make 4-6bil isk in 12hrs time. My goal now is 25bil isk in 60hrs time. Most of which I hope to be AFK hauling. If it becomes to much work then I sell everything off, close the IPO or revise it and re-work it. My original IPO was re-worked over 6 differant times, not sure how many people realize that. When I say re-worked, I mean completely re-gutted, did new things, and changed what I did in order to make it easier on me time wise and better profits for my share holders. You do bring one good point up though, this is a LOT larger than my last IPO. I am in no way guerentee'ing anything other than I will do what ever I can to make the best of this, just as I did before. I doubt I will hit the 24% dividends and such, but if I can hit 11% on 200bil isk for a long period of time I think that should be proof enough that I can run a great IPO, not only small but large as well. Per DS not sure what your talking about to be honest, I do know he mentioned he would not be investing in my next IPO, but no reason really stated why. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Letias Caldari Teikoku Trade Conglomerate Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:26:00 - [54] Put me down for 2.5 billion if there is space :) _____________________________ Originally by: Damini Frostmane Sex isn't sex unless one of you is crying afterwards :-)
Erikel Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:26:00 - [55] Well i'm not as rich as you guys but i'll reserve 250mill worth.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:30:00 - [56] Originally by: Proton Power Per DS not sure what your talking about to be honest, I do know he mentioned he would not be investing in my next IPO, but no reason really stated why. Irrational Exuberance. Interesting topic. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:35:00 - [57] For now no more reservations. I am looking at possibly changing my plan some and making things a little more interesting. Please let me know what you think of this - My current plan could be broken down into probably 15-20 small IPO's. Then people can invest in the IPO that they think would do better than the other IPO's, and as we all know things change in Eve one day my worst producing IPO may become the best producing tomarrow. Maybe make a limit of 10/20% of total shares for each IPO or somthing to that extent. This would cause an actual share type system that people would want to sell and buy based on what is going on in Eve, and any surpises when we think one IPO may do worse than another but then does not happen that way. Example on very small scale just to get thoughts and idea's going, and no these items are not one I would use, just an example - 1 Cruise Missle IPO - 1 Heavy Missle IPO 1 Torp IPO - You can get more specific into what you want to invest in, if that investment does well you get paid more, your share vaule would go up more, if you pick one of the lacking ones you can hold and hope for better payouts, sell and buy one of the better paying out ones, or hope CCP changes somthing in your favor. Does this make sense at what I am going at? And would this make things more interesting? How would I go about tracking shares doing it this way, is there a way to track shares doing it this way? ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
emile1 Target Practice Inc. Pure.	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:36:00 - [58] If there are any shares remaining I would like to reserve 5 billion worth.
Leowen Industrial Giants	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:41:00 - [59] I'm with Shadarle on this one funnily enough. I don't doubt your integrity, nor your capability, but I have 'been there' in terms of pretty much devoting ones life to making ISK, and it brought me down to the point where I quit EVE for quite some time. I can't bring myself to back someone doing the same thing, when I know where it ended for me. Beyond that your plan could potentially conflict with something I have in the works, and it'd be a bit crazy to bet against myself. That said I do wish you the best with this, and have no doubt you'll prove yourself worthy of the trust being placed in you. If I were you though I would definitely spend quite some time ensuring your operation is as streamlined as can be so that you can have an RL too, even if it hits profits by a few %. Good luck Leo
Ayami Sakura	Posted - 2008.01.17 20:07:00 - [60] Originally by: Proton Power For now no more reservations. I am looking at possibly changing my plan some and making things a little more interesting. Please let me know what you think of this - My current plan could be broken down into probably 15-20 small IPO's. Then people can invest in the IPO that they think would do better than the other IPO's, and as we all know things change in Eve one day my worst producing IPO may become the best producing tomarrow. Maybe make a limit of 10/20% of total shares for each IPO or somthing to that extent. This would cause an actual share type system that people would want to sell and buy based on what is going on in Eve, and any surpises when we think one IPO may do worse than another but then does not happen that way. Example on very small scale just to get thoughts and idea's going, and no these items are not one I would use, just an example - 1 Cruise Missle IPO - 1 Heavy Missle IPO 1 Torp IPO - You can get more specific into what you want to invest in, if that investment does well you get paid more, your share vaule would go up more, if you pick one of the lacking ones you can hold and hope for better payouts, sell and buy one of the better paying out ones, or hope CCP changes somthing in your favor. Does this make sense at what I am going at? And would this make things more interesting? How would I go about tracking shares doing it this way, is there a way to track shares doing it this way? Wouldn't this make your IPO less flexible seeing as you would have capital devoted to areas which have less than optimal profit potential? In a large IPO you would be able to direct funds from less rewarding enterprises towards areas which at the moment are more profitable. That said I would have loved to invest, but I'll have to make sure I'm not overextending myself first. I'm afraid it'll be a paltry sum though if I do go ahead. Anyway, good luck with your venture.
Kwint Sommer Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.01.17 20:48:00 - [61] Originally by: Proton Power For now no more reservations. I am looking at possibly changing my plan some and making things a little more interesting. Please let me know what you think of this - My current plan could be broken down into probably 15-20 small IPO's. Then people can invest in the IPO that they think would do better than the other IPO's, and as we all know things change in Eve one day my worst producing IPO may become the best producing tomarrow. Maybe make a limit of 10/20% of total shares for each IPO or somthing to that extent. This would cause an actual share type system that people would want to sell and buy based on what is going on in Eve, and any surpises when we think one IPO may do worse than another but then does not happen that way. Example on very small scale just to get thoughts and idea's going, and no these items are not one I would use, just an example - 1 Cruise Missle IPO - 1 Heavy Missle IPO 1 Torp IPO - You can get more specific into what you want to invest in, if that investment does well you get paid more, your share vaule would go up more, if you pick one of the lacking ones you can hold and hope for better payouts, sell and buy one of the better paying out ones, or hope CCP changes somthing in your favor. Does this make sense at what I am going at? And would this make things more interesting? How would I go about tracking shares doing it this way, is there a way to track shares doing it this way? It would indeed make things more interesting but I suspect that it would introduce a rigidity that would ultimately lower the total returns. Thanks to CCP's medaling there are substantial changes in the markets that simply can't be predicted from a year out and that means some things will crash and others will sore and with this system it seems you'll be forced to stick with losers and likely mis the bandwagon on newly created winners and all of that will substantially hurt the overall bottom line. BTW, in its original incarnation this seems like the investment I've been holding out for, turning down 7% bonds, selling my Ionia stock all in anticipation of something like this.... That said, I finally stopped waiting, got into reactors and I'm now making 5B a month on a relatively small amount of capital. 5% Mining & Manufacturing Implants
Marcus Baltar	Posted - 2008.01.17 21:30:00 - [62] Well, here I am late back from work (as usual), and another IPO has been over-reserved. Even worse, months before its launch. I will pointlessly state that I would have liked to reserve 500 million ISK worth of shares. As I stated in this thread; Originally by: Marcus Baltar Also, maybe it is time that the issuance of shares/bonds should be addressed, and my 2 cent proposal is; * No more than 75% of total issued shares/bonds are available to MD regulars (ie. "institutional regulars", EBank, etc.". A fairly high limit is placed on each individual purchase by these investors. * The remainder of the shares/bonds are sold through the sales thread. Again there is a maximum allowed per investor. * If all shares/bonds are not sold after a reasonable time then the limits per investor are reduced/removed. * Share/bond reservations cannot be made with provisions (these will have been addressed beforehand, hopefully), although limited time extensions to gather money should be possible. Similarly, any reservations that are not paid for in a specific time are freed to other investors. An additional point?; * No reservations are possible on shares sold through the sales thread - ISK to be sent in game as soon as possible - the last timestamp from the ISK transfer or forum post determines the contract completion. If I remember rightly, some past IPO's did stagger their share issues in batches across most timezones with limits on individual purchases and no reservations (although I am probably wrong).
Atherin Gaius Caldari Domini Umbrus VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.17 21:52:00 - [63] I have to agree with the last poster...having a 195 BILLION isk IPO sell out and over-reserve in less than six hours is just obscene. This forum is turning into a "good old boys club" where if you can't buy up 122 billion worth at a time you won't get to play either.
Sikozu Prioris Suns Of Korhal deadspace society	Posted - 2008.01.17 22:27:00 - [64] Originally by: Atherin Gaius This forum is turning into a "good old boys club" where if you can't buy up 122 billion worth at a time you won't get to play either. Proton power did turn round and limit Ray McCormack to 50bill, as he did not want 1 person in effect "owning" the ipo. I disagree with the old boys club, the problem as many people have identified is that is not sufficient amount of ipo's to sink peoples idle isk into. People are also more wary of scams on the newer guys so when something like this comes along it will get eaten rather fast. I have no where near the wealth of most people on MD, nor do I have much experience on here but I have got isk invested in around half a dozen ipo's. Its just a case of being on the forum at the right time, which of course is unfortinate for people in different time zones. Lol
Ghost Emperor Amarr EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.17 22:39:00 - [65] Please reserve 5 billion for EMFI, many thanks muchly :) EvE Galactic Stock Exchange and Real-time Eve Stock Exchange EMFI blog at: http://emfi.blogspot.com/
Shiva Shakti Gallente Hi-Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.01.17 22:40:00 - [66] Please reserve 5 billion for my non EMFI character as well cheers :) (so 10 billion in total) Visit EvE Galactic Stock Exchange and Real-time Eve Stock Exchange (in game or out, but trades in game)
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 22:40:00 - [67] Honestly I did not expect it to sell out so fast by any means. Not sure if it only sold out because of the 3mths or so in advance. In 3 months many peoples thoughts and isk can change. I have this plan pretty much written in stone, what will be bought, where about 150bil isk right away will go if I go through with it. I do have a few other plans written down as well, but not as well researched, I really like the idea of multiple IPO's let people invest in what they like instead of one big IPO, but I need to do a little research. I am still surprised the biggest complaint is it sold out to fast, I was kind of waiting for the OMG 200bil you are scammerz type replies. I figured I would work those out for a month or so, fine tune my plan and go from there. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Letias Caldari Teikoku Trade Conglomerate Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.01.18 00:20:00 - [68] Lol if you scam for 200 bill then i think all the IPO's will fail for the next year _____________________________ Originally by: Damini Frostmane Sex isn't sex unless one of you is crying afterwards :-)
Relyen Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.01.18 01:05:00 - [69] Originally by: Proton Power I am still surprised the biggest complaint is it sold out to fast, I was kind of waiting for the OMG 200bil you are scammerz type replies. I figured I would work those out for a month or so, fine tune my plan and go from there. Which is why I reserved early, didn't expect anything less from you :P
Astorothe Aperture Science Industries	Posted - 2008.01.18 02:45:00 - [70] Whoosh - geez I must be in a **** timezone or something. All Gone? =( Ze logs show NOTHING! ~ Eve Corp and Fansite Web design, development and hosting services
Marcus Baltar	Posted - 2008.01.18 10:30:00 - [71] This is just... Well I am not sure? Amazing? Disgusting? Unbelievable - definitely. It also assumes no in game reservations of course. (Apologies for the wall of text ). 50,000,000,000 for Proton Power (2008.01.17 15:16:00) _5,000,000,000 for Bouncer Ricdic (for Ricdic) (2008.01.17 15:42:00) _5,000,000,000 for Relyn (2008.01.17 15:44:00) _1,000,000,000 for Motivated Prophet (2008.01.17 16:04:00) _5,000,000,000 for Sikozu Prioris (2008.01.17 16:33:00) 25,000,000,000 for Tarash Awin (2008.01.17 16:51:00) (last edit) _5,000,000,000 for Eridicus (2008.01.17 16:45:00) (last edit) _5,000,000,000 for Macon Squaredealer (2008.01.17 16:46:00) _5,000,000,000 for Treelox (2008.01.17 16:51:00) ___500,000,000 for Shaun Jedai (2008.01.17 17:03:00) (last edit) 10,000,000,000 for Prodigal (2008.01.17 17:01:00) _3,000,000,000 for Admiral Grevious (2008.01.17 16:31:00) (last edit) _1,000,000,000 for Athias (2008.01.17 17:04:00) 50,000,000,000 for Ray McCormack (2008.01.17 17:18:00) (PP edited amount) 15,000,000,000 for Shanar'a (2008.01.17 17:21:00) _1,000,000,000 for Tusc (2008.01.17 17:31:00) _1,000,000,000 for Erah (2008.01.17 17:53:00) 10,000,000,000 for Benvie (2008.01.17 18:02:00) _1,500,000,000 for RESIX Manager (2008.01.17 18:15:00) _2,000,000,000 for Tiswas (2008.01.17 18:15:00) (Including PP's 50 billion reservation, only 1 billion would have been available to Tiswas from a 200 billion total). (From this point, already 1 billion has been requested as over-reservations)._1,000,000,000 for jna (2008.01.17 18:30:00) _3,000,000,000 for Jennine Tyler (2008.01.17 18:33:00) _1,000,000,000 for aegisburnem (2008.01.17 17:00:00) _2,500,000,000 for Letias (2008.01.17 19:26:00) ___250,000,000 for Erikel (2008.01.17 19:26:00) PP states "for now, no more reservations". (2008.01.17 19:35:00) Total (including PP's 50 billion) 207,750,000,000._5,000,000,000 for emile1 (2008.01.17 19:36:00) ___500,000,000 for Marcus Baltar (2008.01.17 21:30:00) (Mine ) _5,000,000,000 for Ghost Emporer (for EMFI) (2008.01.17 22:39:00) _5,000,000,000 for Shiva Shakti (2008.01.17 22:40:00) Please check the timestamps on last edits as the list is just in post order. So, all reserved in just under 3 hours. Yes, something does need to be done if new investors are to be encouraged. Especially as some of these shares are likely to appear on the exchanges at hugely inflated prices. Well, enough moaning
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.18 10:39:00 - [72] Edited by: Treelox on 18/01/2008 10:39:46 Originally by: Marcus Baltar Yes, something does need to be done if new investors are to be encouraged. Especially as some of these shares are likely to appear on the exchanges at hugely inflated prices. Then do something about it!! There is no reason besides charity why a CEO offering new shares or bonds to the market should do anything. There is too much isk that is seeking invesment, this is the root cause of the problem. Not some old boys club as you have gone on about in past threads. It really is simple, there are many of us who frequent these forums often, know what is what, and invest accordingly. In the current condiitions the only thing that will help you get in on investments faster is being on the forums almost constantly. Not surprisingly those who are forum hoe's here in MD, are the ones who reap the benifits. It is just like real life, the first to know has the chance to be the first to act. ---edit used the wrong route instead of the right root <sigh> --
Kara Rhane Gallente Rhane's Research and Development Labs.	Posted - 2008.01.18 10:53:00 - [73] Dear Proton, I know your going to build everything tech 1 and plan to research most of everything you possibly can in the game. However since I can't make any cash off your IPO. (I wasn't online during those 2 hours) I wouldn't mind trying to offer our service to you (pre-researched BPO sets), we have almost everything in stock (140+ tech 1 BPO's) already researched to ME30/PE30. I offer this since I won't be making anything off the IPO (tho I really wanted to invest) and could give a 'package' group discount for everything we offer. So you could start production litterally tommorow. Link is in my sig, I wish to god I coulda gotten a piece of this and was waiting for it when I had riddic say "wait for proton tommorow". Just missed those 2 exact hours... boo! Hope to talk to you soon, and I hope the IPO takes off. hint hopefully with an expansion in the near future. -Kara ***** Rhane's Research and Development LabsÖ Click to search our Ammo's, Missiles, and Drone BPO sets.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.18 11:05:00 - [74] Originally by: Kara Rhane Dear Proton, I know your going to build everything tech 1 and plan to research most of everything you possibly can in the game. However since I can't make any cash off your IPO. (I wasn't online during those 2 hours) I wouldn't mind trying to offer our service to you (pre-researched BPO sets), we have almost everything in stock (140+ tech 1 BPO's) already researched to ME30/PE30. I offer this since I won't be making anything off the IPO (tho I really wanted to invest) and could give a 'package' group discount for everything we offer. So you could start production litterally tommorow. Link is in my sig, I wish to god I coulda gotten a piece of this and was waiting for it when I had riddic say "wait for proton tommorow". Just missed those 2 exact hours... boo! Hope to talk to you soon, and I hope the IPO takes off. hint hopefully with an expansion in the near future. -Kara Hey Mate, I appriciate the offer, but I actually already have an entire T1 BPO set other than BC's, BS's, and Capital ships. Atleast I hope I do, Ridic could better answer this for me. If I need help with reserch slots on some other things I will keep you in mind though. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
BhurakStarkiller	Posted - 2008.01.18 11:48:00 - [75] If anyone drop their reservation, 3b for me
Bouncer Ricdic	Posted - 2008.01.18 12:58:00 - [76] Originally by: Proton Power Hey Mate, I appriciate the offer, but I actually already have an entire T1 BPO set other than BC's, BS's, and Capital ships. Atleast I hope I do, Ridic could better answer this for me. Yup all is done for you. Finished a few weeks back
Prodigal Caldari New Genesis Project	Posted - 2008.01.18 16:26:00 - [77] Originally by: Proton Power Honestly I did not expect it to sell out so fast by any means. Not sure if it only sold out because of the 3mths or so in advance. In 3 months many peoples thoughts and isk can change. I have this plan pretty much written in stone, what will be bought, where about 150bil isk right away will go if I go through with it. I do have a few other plans written down as well, but not as well researched, I really like the idea of multiple IPO's let people invest in what they like instead of one big IPO, but I need to do a little research. I am still surprised the biggest complaint is it sold out to fast, I was kind of waiting for the OMG 200bil you are scammerz type replies. I figured I would work those out for a month or so, fine tune my plan and go from there. I am not one to burst any bubbles here or anything, but......... it is RESERVATIONS that sold out after all. It is quite clear (in this case at least) that "selling" out reservations is much easier than selling out shares. Maybe the "reservationists" (damn not even sure is that is a word or not) should have had to back up their reservations with a 10% deposit or something? Just thinking out loud here. Cheers,
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.18 17:04:00 - [78] Yeah I reserved my shares just in case. =D If you don't put your name down you don't get a chance.
Marcus Baltar	Posted - 2008.01.18 18:25:00 - [79] Originally by: Treelox Then do something about it!! Okay. I will leave my job and spend all day on the net. I realise that those who are available all the time benefit the most, but the point I was trying to make is that this does not really encourage any newer/smaller investors (PP had stated a 100 million minimum - what I hope any investor has as a disposable income). Limiting a character to a 1 billion maximum reserved investment would have given the appearance of opening it up for all, but I am sure the twenty "reservists" would have been able to secure the same amount of investment, it would just have involved a bit of work on their part to login with each alt. Maybe I should invest in a mutual fund (well, I wanted the shares for my mutual fund)? But EMFI has not been able to get a reservation either, their post comes after mine (and after the call for no more reservations). I am not really moaning (does not sound like it does it? ), just asking that the people doing these share/bond issues consider doing a bit to encourage/accomodate newer/smaller investors. Well, that is enough, I am sure I have again badly expressed myself and have dug myself in deeper do-do
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.18 18:29:00 - [80] There's not much motivation for those creating offerings to follow the guidelines you've set. That's the problem. All the things you said makes it harder to get ISK for basically no benefit to the parties involved.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.18 18:38:00 - [81] Originally by: Marcus Baltar just asking that the people doing these share/bond issues consider doing a bit to encourage/accomodate newer/smaller investors. Why should they? They are releasing their IPO/Bond offering to raise money. Why do they care if they get new or smaller investors as long as they get the money. What you seem to not be realizing is that there is already hundreds and hundreds of billions of isk that people have to invest but nothing to invest in. Thus there is too much demand as it is. The last thing we need to do is increase demand even more. We need to increase supply, not demand. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.18 18:40:00 - [82] And there's not more supply because it gets difficult to invest quantities in the hundreds of billions and get a decent return. If there were more ways to invest hundreds of billions effectively then there might be more ventures asking for this quantity, and demand would be closer to being met.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.01.18 19:39:00 - [83] Edited by: Ulstan on 18/01/2008 19:41:12 Quote: This forum is turning into a "good old boys club" where if you can't buy up 122 billion worth at a time you won't get to play either. Come now. I see plenty of reservations for 0.5b, 1b, 2b, etc. I didn't see Proton power turning any of them down. The lesson drawn here is not that you need to be in the 'good old boys' club but that you need to be in the 'watches MD like a hawk' club, which surely any EVE player, no matter their experience level, can join. Also, it is easier to make a reservation for funds due in 3 months time. I don't expect Proton Powers to have trouble finding enough investors, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these folks who have issued reserves have changed their minds when the actual date rolls around. This IPO seems much larger and more involved than your previous one Proton, but I think you'll be able to manage. Put me down on the 'waiting list' for 1b :p
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.18 21:46:00 - [84] Originally by: Marcus Baltar Originally by: Treelox Then do something about it!! Okay. I will leave my job and spend all day on the net. I realise that those who are available all the time benefit the most, but the point I was trying to make is that this does not really encourage any newer/smaller investors (PP had stated a 100 million minimum - what I hope any investor has as a disposable income). Limiting a character to a 1 billion maximum reserved investment would have given the appearance of opening it up for all, but I am sure the twenty "reservists" would have been able to secure the same amount of investment, it would just have involved a bit of work on their part to login with each alt. Maybe I should invest in a mutual fund (well, I wanted the shares for my mutual fund)? But EMFI has not been able to get a reservation either, their post comes after mine (and after the call for no more reservations). I am not really moaning (does not sound like it does it? ), just asking that the people doing these share/bond issues consider doing a bit to encourage/accomodate newer/smaller investors. Well, that is enough, I am sure I have again badly expressed myself and have dug myself in deeper do-do Mate, I understand your frustration, but you have to look at this from my point of view. Doing it your way I would need to get 200+ investors with 1bil isk. Doing it my way I need probably about 40 investors with little to no wait or looking. The only fix to this would be increase the IPO value, instead of 200bil go up to about 600bil maybe even a trillion. I already know I can sell out a 500bil IPO decently quickly, and probably a trillion isk IPO over 2-3 months time. The issue is I don't have a way to use all that isk right now. For me 200bil isk right now is pushing it, once I stream line, figure out what is making isk what is not, and stream line again, I might be able to raise it up another 100bil here and there. So over all, I will stick with my original plan 100mil minimum, 50bil Maximum unless I can't sell out which does not seem to be an issue. Re-Looking at numbers and prices I may need to make this a 220bil IPO, but still playing with those numbers, and also working on a few other smaller things. Makes it hard though when you can't even sign into Eve. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Kronooo SKORPION CORP Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.21 20:25:00 - [85] I have some questions regarding this Ipo; Will you be running all production yourself?, it seems to me that it ill be a awfull lot for one person to handle and that theres a significant chance that you burn out on it. The reason that Im asking is because I run production with 100 slots everyweek 23/7 and I have chosen to pay others for handeling that because of the grunt ammount work. If just producing plain t1 and t2 stuff have you taken into consideration what kind of effect this has on the markets you're going to be active in? The markets where I act in I need to throttle production to keep profits high. How are you going to handle selling all the output you're going to get every month?, just the grunt ammount of baby sitting orders ill be awfull. *some more personal notes* Im shocked to see how easily the market forum regulars are willingly to poor isk in this venture combined with the ammount Proton Power is asking, yes he has a superb history but in the end everybody has a price, which according to proton power most likely will not get secured. The chance that a single person in eve ill have ever more than 200bil isk in his personal wallet is very slim without scamming, With proton poweres proposed pay it ill take him over 3 years to achieve this it seems like a very valid choise to run with the isk and reach a end game goal with that.
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.21 21:15:00 - [86] Originally by: Kronooo *some more personal notes* Im shocked to see how easily the market forum regulars are willingly to poor isk in this venture combined with the ammount Proton Power is asking, yes he has a superb history but in the end everybody has a price, which according to proton power most likely will not get secured. The chance that a single person in eve ill have ever more than 200bil isk in his personal wallet is very slim without scamming, With proton poweres proposed pay it ill take him over 3 years to achieve this it seems like a very valid choise to run with the isk and reach a end game goal with that. An excellent point. While I cant answer for the other "regulars", myself I have enough dealings with Proton and his main Death Grip in game to have the trust required for this venture. I have had business dealings with him that have been timely, well thought out, very well organized, and have easily involved roughly 10bil isk at a time on a regular basis. I have also flown with him in fleet combat as an allaince mate, and while he may not remeber my then nubbin self, I saw virtures in him then that allow me to trust him. While my reasons are personal, and only should really be applied to my "faith" in trusting PP, I am sure that other "regulars" also have had other dealings with him outside of what happens here in MD. --
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.21 21:49:00 - [87] Originally by: Kronooo I have some questions regarding this Ipo; Will you be running all production yourself?, it seems to me that it ill be a awfull lot for one person to handle and that theres a significant chance that you burn out on it. The reason that Im asking is because I run production with 100 slots everyweek 23/7 and I have chosen to pay others for handeling that because of the grunt ammount work. If just producing plain t1 and t2 stuff have you taken into consideration what kind of effect this has on the markets you're going to be active in? The markets where I act in I need to throttle production to keep profits high. How are you going to handle selling all the output you're going to get every month?, just the grunt ammount of baby sitting orders ill be awfull. *some more personal notes* Im shocked to see how easily the market forum regulars are willingly to poor isk in this venture combined with the ammount Proton Power is asking, yes he has a superb history but in the end everybody has a price, which according to proton power most likely will not get secured. The chance that a single person in eve ill have ever more than 200bil isk in his personal wallet is very slim without scamming, With proton poweres proposed pay it ill take him over 3 years to achieve this it seems like a very valid choise to run with the isk and reach a end game goal with that. Honestly, all of these are exactly the reason I'm not investing. I really really wanted to throw 20+ billion into something, if not closer to 50 billion depending on the offer. But after reading the plan here and thinking more about it I realized it just was not a smart idea for me. I've personally never dealt with PP before, so that may be why I do not have the extreme trust some here do. In any case I was a bit surprised how fast it sold out too. Though a few notable people skipped investing as well, which I found interesting. Of course it could just be they missed the window. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained

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