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Sarkkon	Posted - 2008.01.18 05:17:00 - [1] Was on an alt and noticed several corps doing the undocking port jetcan blockade in ammold. This is a rookie system and unfortunatly has the 5-7k from station default undocking bug. [other stations are at zero meters when you undock] This has gotten out of hand, and is the same activity that forced CCP to remove the rookie training plexes. If any mercinaries out there are bored, here is a list of the guilty. [ those i witnessed TODAY ina 15min timespan. 13carpathian wolves ticker [FU-2] (all class as you can tell from ticker) MIsfits Enterprises [MFE] Revelation 22-20 [rev22] As this kind of conduct drives petential customers away from game its not something we should condone. If you need funds/ fees for these please Eve mail me and ill take care of them. If you feel like taking these guys on free of charge that OK by me as well.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.18 05:26:00 - [2] It's a learning experience... that's how I was introduced to the non-concentual PvP Eve is famous for. Just let it go () () (â;..;)â (")(")
Whip Slagcheek	Posted - 2008.01.18 05:32:00 - [3] I thought cans were immaterial now (you can fly through them) so how exactly is it a blockade? What exactly are they doing? Can flagging newbies? They have said before that some forms of harassment / griefing against new players is forbidden. So you can always try filing a petition for harassment and see what they say. Also I think they said to bug report the stations that are like that.
Suitonia Gallente interimo	Posted - 2008.01.18 07:38:00 - [4] If they are 'Can Baiting' in a rookie pilot starter system, then it's petitionable afaik. --- I've always wondered about those Vagabond pilots...
Sarkkon	Posted - 2008.01.18 08:22:00 - [5] they are using a mix of jetison can and small standards. Can baiting in belts... leaving unlooted belt rats and cloaking is one thing. Setting up a sea of can at the undocking port of rookie station and tempting them with goodies... is quite another. They also fill local with smactalk humiliating any rookie they pop. Take it to a belt. These guys were petitioned, but i think they need a good war dec as well. Seen too many griefers coppy/paste GM warnings in their BIO as a badge of honor. GM's scolding them not going to stop em. War dec will give them something to think about. So again, pro bono or send me the fee lists. Thanx
Spigoe Celestial Frontier Inc Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.01.18 08:35:00 - [6] Bring corpies, lots of corpies. Dock up your ships, one undock in a rookie ship, takes the bate, gets popped, then everyone else undocks and reduce the griefers to space dust.
Novemb3r Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.18 08:37:00 - [7] there's no point in wardecing people like this. They will just dock up and stay docked. It's a waste of money. -
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.18 09:43:00 - [8] If you see this going on as a decently fitted player, just take their cans until they attack you and then kill them. Amazing how fast they get the idea.
Hinterwaeldler Kombatans	Posted - 2008.01.18 12:27:00 - [9] Originally by: Spigoe Bring corpies, lots of corpies. Dock up your ships, one undock in a rookie ship, takes the bate, gets popped, then everyone else undocks and reduce the griefers to space dust. You should not give advice with so little knowledge about aggro mechanics. Blowing up your ship will not flag the griefers to your corp.
Xi Tzu Amarr Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.18 12:34:00 - [10] true BUT after they pop ur noob ship you can undock in something shiny with teeth :) Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal

Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2008.01.18 13:37:00 - [11] Originally by: Xi Tzu true BUT after they pop ur noob ship you can undock in something shiny with teeth :) Can you gank them in 30 seconds? That's about how long they have left of docking sickness after you switch ship. And this they know quite very well indeed. They typically fly reasonable tanks, and pansy damage, with remote repping trial accounts. Additionally, I only know 2 players in all of Eve who smack talk harder than can baiting perimter hugging docktards. As for wardeccing them, it's always a good idea. If you can make them dock up, you can help remove the people in the corp who joined on the back of smack talk and a false promise. They need rescuing... guidance. Sure the corp leaders will remain resolute in their goal, but the foot soldiers, whose misfortune was meeting these people before any others need your help. --- Fanboi noun: 1)Person who thinks you should be happy that Eve just got a little bit worse. 2) Idiot. Fanboiz: Plural of Fanboi Doorknob: Collective noun for Fanboiz.
Barashi Nugan Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.01.18 18:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Fifth Horseman Originally by: Xi Tzu true BUT after they pop ur noob ship you can undock in something shiny with teeth :) Can you gank them in 30 seconds? That's about how long they have left of docking sickness after you switch ship. And this they know quite very well indeed. Actually, not even 30 seconds. You redock in your pod, try to jump in that nicely fitted bigger ship and...have to wait 30 seconds. By the time you undock, their docking timer is already over and can redock whenever they please.
SloBones mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.18 19:25:00 - [13] someone should wardec the OP. He has too much free time and bores me.
Karentaki Gallente federation navy taskforce	Posted - 2008.01.18 19:37:00 - [14] I find the best tactic (and a quite profitable one) is to just get in a powerful combat ship with a strong tank, and repeatedly steal all their cans. The only way they can stop you is to attack you, and that will result in swift death. If they do manage to break your tank, you can always just use their own tactics against them and dock up again. ======
Adelorae24 Caldari Black Podding	Posted - 2008.01.18 20:10:00 - [15] Sometimes I grab one of these station bait cans while I'm in my cerb or nighthawk. Funny... Nothing happens after I take the can. Then again it's one less can for a noob to get themselves in trouble with. Not that I really care. Alien (1979): "Before we dock, I think we ought to discuss the bonus situation."
Seeker Khan	Posted - 2008.01.18 20:12:00 - [16] Originally by: SloBones someone should wardec the OP. He has too much free time and bores me. Any you have contributed what exactly to this topic? Troll somewhere else.
Dijan Caro	Posted - 2008.01.18 20:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Karentaki I find the best tactic (and a quite profitable one) is to just get in a powerful combat ship with a strong tank, and repeatedly steal all their cans. The only way they can stop you is to attack you, and that will result in swift death. If they do manage to break your tank, you can always just use their own tactics against them and dock up again. grief the griefers, this is the best strategy by far can baiting in noob systems is petitionable, and i know that if you get petitioned a few times for doing something that deserves a warning eventually you get banned for a while so there is only that much newbie griefing you can do before you lose your play rights
Adelorae24 Caldari Black Podding	Posted - 2008.01.18 20:31:00 - [18] Well there are plenty of other ways to grief n00bs that aren't petitionable. I spent all night in Gallente space stealing un-anchored cargo cans and selling them back to their original owners. Made for some very interesting chats. Alien (1979): "Before we dock, I think we ought to discuss the bonus situation."
Rathanael Minmatar Misfits Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.18 21:15:00 - [19] It should be pointed out that all the wrecks you saw that we killed we're from corps that we have pending wardecs with. Not one of the noob wrecks we're our's. The Rupture that was ours. You must be the alt that was grumbling in local. 0/
Outlaw Jenner Caldari Misfits Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.18 22:15:00 - [20] Alright listen carefully and quit whining. Please FOR THE LOVE OF GOD issue a Wardec. Instead of whining, do something. Can's are not bait. I plainly advertise we're looking for hard targets to pop. Some bit some dont, either way you get a WARNING when you pull from a can, the fact that you get this warning with 5 maybe 6 ships sitting right there with the SAME CORP TICKER should be a give away that you're about to die.I've got 3 active wars running at any given time and WELCOME any frisky Merc corp, and or alliance to join in. Our WT's hide for a reason. Someone... please put me in my place... please?

SloBones mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.18 22:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Seeker Khan Originally by: SloBones someone should wardec the OP. He has too much free time and bores me. Any you have contributed what exactly to this topic? Troll somewhere else. Oh look another alt poster.... At least I post with my main when I post. STFU or get on you main and be a man.
Heilios	Posted - 2008.01.18 23:00:00 - [22] Originally by: Outlaw Jenner Alright listen carefully and quit whining. Please FOR THE LOVE OF GOD issue a Wardec. Instead of whining, do something. Can's are not bait. I plainly advertise we're looking for hard targets to pop. Some bit some dont, either way you get a WARNING when you pull from a can, the fact that you get this warning with 5 maybe 6 ships sitting right there with the SAME CORP TICKER should be a give away that you're about to die.I've got 3 active wars running at any given time and WELCOME any frisky Merc corp, and or alliance to join in. Our WT's hide for a reason. Someone... please put me in my place... please? but outside the ammold station? all your targets just happen to be there right? most the new guys dunno what they are doing at all, but you sound crazy tough anyways... and hell they do get a warning, link your kill board mate, am dying to look.
SirMoric	Posted - 2008.01.18 23:38:00 - [23] Come on guys, they are new players. It's probably some of their first trips into space and they don't know how to use the ship/interfaces yet. I doesn't matter how much you think "space is a dangerous place" or "they'll have to learn", there's nothing fun in getting blown up on your first trips. They'll just leave the game altogether and then you've gained nothing. Unless your ultimate goal is to reduce lag by keeping new people from joining the game. rgds rgds
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.02.09 11:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Outlaw Jenner Alright listen carefully and quit whining. Please FOR THE LOVE OF GOD issue a Wardec. Instead of whining, do something. Can's are not bait. I plainly advertise we're looking for hard targets to pop. Some bit some dont, either way you get a WARNING when you pull from a can, the fact that you get this warning with 5 maybe 6 ships sitting right there with the SAME CORP TICKER should be a give away that you're about to die.I've got 3 active wars running at any given time and WELCOME any frisky Merc corp, and or alliance to join in. Our WT's hide for a reason. Someone... please put me in my place... please? We aim to please. Linkage Elsebeth Rhiannon Diplomat Electus Matari -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.09 12:19:00 - [25] I have a directorial meeting later today. I'll check up on providing them with another declaration of war. We have a few noobies in our corp that I need to train anyways. Good learning experience against crap players. "That is a Myrmidon. Typically, they are a challenge, so watch their drones. However, this guy uses tech 1 acolytes, and can only use 3 of them." Project: Gank - Solo Pilgrim Video
Damorris Laht	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:37:00 - [26] Edited by: Damorris Laht on 23/02/2008 16:40:44 the 13Carpathian Wolves were not baiting noobs. We were chasing off Noob Baiters and on that day they belonged to Misfits. If you do not see someone blowing up a noob then you should refrain from trying to label them.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.23 19:53:00 - [27] Why bait noobs when I can sit on a gate in lowsec and pop them all day? I always wondered why people noob bait... but baiting the baiters shouldn't be too hard i think. ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
PYROnoxx Progenitors	Posted - 2008.02.23 20:37:00 - [28] Funny thing that i happen to have a Dec vs MFE already in the voting with 6 hours left Any donations are accepted as well as corp member names Pyro post with ur main!!! i do..ow wait
ThoraRefr Vigdis	Posted - 2008.02.25 16:57:00 - [29] Originally by: PYROnoxx Funny thing that i happen to have a Dec vs MFE already in the voting with 6 hours left Any donations are accepted as well as corp member names Pyro MFE is now griefing and flipping cans in Anttiri......(usual local smacktalk from Jenner included) Outlaw Jenner CEO (drake, worm, commorant, ferox...these are usually borrowed from someone else due to the negative 400 mil wallet) Val Sharen aka Alissa Valsharen aka Cartel Sharen Co CEO (blackbird, griffin, caracal, usually ecm loaded) Littlebunny Foo Foo new member (carrots) Joker Jenner (no comment...could be flying an armchair) Wynter Assault (frigate of some sort) Drakthor Shadoxes (usually flies some form of cruiser; or frigate when he blows up a cruiser.....ecm and remote repair...could be osprey or destroyer) Trip Jenner (tends to be non com) Varakka something They tend to mission around Anttiri and Juun, or spend their time griefing nubs and flipping cans... Also sits outside the state war school in kisogo baiting nubs. For the most part all Jenner has done is move his isendeldik harrassment to Anttiri.....ie: Not much has changed.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.02.25 17:54:00 - [30] Its not a bug. Some stations throw you out further. I what is on Sisi goes live, it will get worse. Click on my sig below to learn how to hand them their butt for a change.

Erikel Cosmic Odyssey Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.02.25 18:00:00 - [31] Sweet logo/sig Rells.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.02.25 18:25:00 - [32] Originally by: Erikel Sweet logo/sig Rells. Thanks ... Nova Z designed it for us.
GateScout	Posted - 2008.02.25 20:02:00 - [33] I'm all for doing whatever you want in the EVE world, but is there ANYTHING more pathetic that griefing some poor 1 day old noob? That's just sad....and what's the point? Gaining 1 unit a trit at a time? Damn that's pathetic.
Dexion Slayer Minmatar Perpetual Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.26 15:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Suitonia If they are 'Can Baiting' in a rookie pilot starter system, then it's petitionable afaik. qouted for truth, baiting and griefing new players can be petitioned under harassment :) ill think ill just keep the greens :) -Dex
Celestal	Posted - 2008.02.26 15:35:00 - [35] Edited by: Celestal on 26/02/2008 15:35:18 Easy solution is to sit in system , explain to the noobs what is going on. Explain how fu-2 etc are considered to be the tele tubbies of the pvp world ( they failed so badly at pvp that the only people they can possibly kill are few day old new players ). I did this a while ago with an empire alt to fu-2 , they really didnt like it , I got threatened with petions etc but nothing happened . I am pretty sure one of them got his mom onto the keyboard , she was not very happy and said I was ruining her little johnnies game , please could I stop as he was very upset and was in tears.
Mr Morimoto	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:59:00 - [36] Getting baited when i was a day old was the best thing that has happened to me, showed me the realities of this game. Shortened the learning curve thats for sure, Action=consequence. Now im a month old noob with a 0.0 pvp corp. I sure dont see noobs posting about their griefs here. For those of you who type up petitions more than ya play the game, and try to find mercs to fight yer noob protection cause, maybe time to move on, go back and stare at rocks all day, or whatever 100% risk free venture your in...................
BloodBird Gallente Celestial Asylum	Posted - 2008.02.27 00:43:00 - [37] Originally by: Mr Morimoto Getting baited when i was a day old was the best thing that has happened to me, showed me the realities of this game. Shortened the learning curve thats for sure, Action=consequence. Now im a month old noob with a 0.0 pvp corp. I sure dont see noobs posting about their griefs here. For those of you who type up petitions more than ya play the game, and try to find mercs to fight yer noob protection cause, maybe time to move on, go back and stare at rocks all day, or whatever 100% risk free venture your in................... Mr Morimoto, I have a couple of things to tell you. First off, the beef the people in this tread have with n00b-killing in a start-up system is the fact that while people like YOU, a very small minority (it might seem) might find it useful, not everyone else do. You start the game up for the first time, your giving EVE a try. The first thing you meet is usually, and should be, the tutorial. Really helpful, that. I had a noob-alt once made to test it and I actually learned a couple things that, even after 2.5 years I did not know. The first thing you want to experiance is this useful tutorial. NOT a griefer that, lacking better/more interesting things to do, can-baits you, kills you, and sometimes flames/smacks you for being 'stupid'. Damn it man, we all need to learn some day. Alot of people might (might, as in, I'm not absolutely sure) lose interest in even trying, if the first thing they meet is some griefer that enjoys ruining your day. THAT is what most people here reacts to, and I'd think CCP does too, after all, the more people that get's bullied out of even trying this game is one less paying costumer. And one less potential corp/alliance/EVE mate of mine. Or you. Second of all, your rude. "For those of you who type up petitions more than ya play the game, and try to find mercs to fight yer noob protection cause, maybe time to move on, go back and stare at rocks all day, or whatever 100% risk free venture your in..." The above is simply not needed, has nothing to do with the matter discussed in this tread, and is, in fact, an out-right flame. I can't remember anyone in this tread stating that EVE should be all safe and cuddly and cute, devoid of risks, but if you have; go right ahead and show me said post. Otherwise, try and be civil. Your oppinion on the matter has been noted. Some, maybe even many might feel like you do on this matter, but fact still remains that alot of people find happiness in needleesly killing less than a day old players simply to be jerks. And that needs to stop. --------------------------- If you don't want to get hurt, stop giving me ammo.
Durzel Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.27 01:00:00 - [38] For every 1 person that sticks around after being griefed on their first day I'd wager at least 20 more quit the game there and then. You can of course argue (as some do) that "we don't want those kind of people anyway, WoW noobs lol", "less players = less lag" but at the end of the day that attitude isn't particularly healthy. The people griefed on Day 1 could end up being the sort of people who - after a suitable period of familiarisation with the game - come into low-sec to provide the kind of fights (or fodder) people keep complaining about there being a lack of.
Jaco Matari Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.02.27 06:55:00 - [39] Eve is harsh, and some lessons can only be taught by experience, but rookie systems need to be protected from this sort of behavior for the continued good of the game. There are plenty of other chances for new players to be introduced to cold cruel space. Also as stated earlier griefing new players in rookie systems is considered a petition worthy offense by CCP.
Mr Morimoto	Posted - 2008.02.27 10:17:00 - [40] whats the message again when ya steal fron someone elses can? ''take this junk and yer probably gonna get blown up!" Nuff said. Sorry if you take my earlier post as flaming, but it was slowly typed with a smile on my face. Who are the real griefers in eve, quite often when i legitimately blow up someone in high sec that aggresses me because im new theres spectators there that check everything out and if it happens to be a reaper half the time they threaten to petition me. And where do these statistics come from? for every 20 griefed 1 stays? please, on a 14 day trial people invest 14 days, and are then part of the fam.

Solomon XI Caldari Dawn of Chaos	Posted - 2008.02.27 10:59:00 - [41] In my opinion, this is a dark side yet necessary side to EvE. When I was a brand new player to EvE, I lost my Ibis within the first... ooh... I'd say twenty minutes after finishing the tutorial. It was a learning experience for me. It IS a learning experience for them. You'd be surprised how many nice people there are who actually do bait new players. I've done it from time to time. If they're in a Frigate, I usually buy them a new frigate + fittings + a little extra. This way, they learn something new... and don't end up giving up. Baiting new players is hella evil. That indeed it is. But it is a necessary evil none the less.
Damorris Laht	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Celestal Edited by: Celestal on 26/02/2008 15:35:18 Easy solution is to sit in system , explain to the noobs what is going on. Explain how fu-2 etc are considered to be the tele tubbies of the pvp world ( they failed so badly at pvp that the only people they can possibly kill are few day old new players ). I did this a while ago with an empire alt to fu-2 , they really didnt like it , I got threatened with petions etc but nothing happened . I am pretty sure one of them got his mom onto the keyboard , she was not very happy and said I was ruining her little johnnies game , please could I stop as he was very upset and was in tears. LOL The funniest part about this is that its all made up. None of the 13 Carpathian Wolves (FU-2) Have ever griefed Newbs in Ammold. I am the only one in my Corp who goes there on occassion to see if there are any bait cans there. If there are I pop the can with my Harpy named Damorris' Merlin then smoke them once they fire at me. I have done it about 10 times. Now if you want to mistaken me for a griefer because you see me blowing someone up outside the Ammold station then its your mistake. But do not make up stories Celestal. I have a feeling you were the one who was griefing and now you are trying to point the finger at someone else.


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