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Benvie
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Posted - 2008.01.19 18:21:00 -
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I have gotten a few inquiries as to the status of RDIR so I'm posting this publicly for all to see. As of right now I have very little information, as I am basically out of the loop. Shar Tegral hasn't been seen in over a week and as far as I know this is an unplanned absence. He re-disappeared without word to anyone I know, including some people at Ebank I have talked to.
I have no access to any of the assets or any of the ISK so there's nothing I can directly do to resolve this situation. I am trying to find out who the associate it is he mentioned before that has access to the assets in case of an emergency. If I can get ahold of this person I will be asking for them to either complete liquidation of the assets or to turn over ownership of them to me.
I would like to get this completed as soon as possible. If the assets were in my hands this would have been done with by New Years. I stated in my original offering that the assets would be liquidated and ISK distributed within 2 months of the date of patch. I hope that I can keep that promise, but also keep in mind I wrote that with the expectation that I would have full control of the assets. At this point there's only so much I can do.
If there's anyone who can help me, if you know any information on Shar or you know who his associate is, I would appreciate any help in the matter. I'd like to get this wrapped up so that everyone can get their ISK and so I don't have this hanging over my head.
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Posted - 2008.01.19 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 19/01/2008 18:55:26
At this moment I feel it is important to remind you all of Shar's very own word in his very own IPO.
 Originally by: "Shar Tegaral"
Who am I? (Sic: Shar Tegral)
I'm not some well renowned PVP'er/ Pirate/ Role player blah, blah, blah. I'm just well known for speaking my mind, and the truth as I know it, without any regard for anyone feelings, respect, or even my own survival. In that regard I'm just as bad as most of the worst pirates in the game. I don't give a rat's ass about the community's opinion of me. I do what I do because it is what I want to do regardless of (un)popular opinions or any trends or fads. The prime thing that I bring to any situation I'm involved in is: Honesty.
Originally by: "Shar Tegral"
Why should I trust you? (Sic: Shar Tegral)
You shouldn't.
If you feel that there is no reason for you to do so, don't. I am at peace with the fact that you choose not to entrust me with your funds. To be even more blunt, if you feel you have trust questions that are unanswered please pass this chance by. Pass This opportunity, pass this post, pass me by entirely. I'd rather not have the headaches as it quickly becomes difficult to distinguish between honest questions and flame baiting/mild trolling. I've got enough marks, you know what kind, on my record that I'm just going to ignore any trust issue questions and potential trolls/flames, period.
You may feel free to do some research if you like and come to your own conclusions. But I'm not going to kiss your arse anymore than I think you'll kiss mine.
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Posted - 2008.01.19 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
Contact me directly for more detailed insights.
Here's my insight on you, for free, in public.
You're an arse and contribute nothing worthwhile to this community. Your twisted, bitter opinions and personal vendettas against certain members of this forum are nothing more than comical. Please, do us all a favour an stop posting such useless drivel.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.01.19 19:00:00 -
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As far as im aware, Shar is MIA because of illness or something. At least he posted around christmas he was going away for some time for an operation due to him hitting his head in a fall.
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Taikun
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Posted - 2008.01.19 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 19/01/2008 19:04:07
I am sorry you feel that way about me Ray.
However, a question has been raised about Shar Tegrals business matters and I feel that his own words in his IPO may shed light on the current situation.
If you have information to the contrary please present it.
One thing I do know... how you feel about me bears nothing on the situation between Shar Tegarals business, his investors and himself.
However, his IPO statements do, and I wanted to remind everyone of them at this juncture.
Taikun
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Martosh Toma
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Posted - 2008.01.19 19:21:00 -
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Wonder if I should get firefox or something to remove something unsightly from this forum...
I will admit being worried. Not for my isk, but for the health of the person behind Shar. I just hope he is ok and that we hear from him again soon.
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Posted - 2008.01.19 19:38:00 -
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Originally posted by Shar Tegral on 17/12/07...
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Okay, I've put this off long enough but I feel it is required for me to say this. I've made arrangements with my co-CEO, Eve partner since launch, to have access to all records pertaining to RDIR in case things should take longer than anticipated. This co-CEO option has always existed in case of any life changing circumstances.
I'm not going into details and spare me your well wishes and any other emo. Simply put I'm going in tomorrow morning for some more surgery. This could wind up being somewhat brief or it could be a lot more complicated. It is very risky regardless.
That ends this announcement.
PS: Don't bump this thread with well wishes. I know you all wish me well, even the so called lowest of the lows around here. In the forum hating we do I've come to learn to respect many of you for qualities that are only subtly implied in your words... even if some of you never say a nice word.
So, just let this post sink.
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Shar - when you read this please accept my apologies for bringing this message back to life against your stated wishes to do so, but it appears you are not here to defend yourself at the moment and the vultures are starting to circle.
In the circumstances, and as some of your previous posts are now being quoted, I thought it prudent to remind everyone of the above message as well.
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Posted - 2008.01.19 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
However, his IPO statements do, and I wanted to remind everyone of them at this juncture.
Taikun
Thank you, noted, shut up.
Shar is not logging on due to illness. There is nothing more to be said.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.19 21:54:00 -
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This is the second time you've tried to bring your personal vendetta into play against Shar, Taikun.
You've posted those exact comments in the past and nobody cared then and nobody cares now. Shar could come out and say he was a scammer and his name would be better than yours on these forums. Frankly I think Riethe is held in higher regard than you are, but it's hard to compare mud to dirt.
You clearly had nothing informative to add here except to continue your personal vendetta.
Those who have been following RDIR fairly closely know that Shar had some health issues he was taking care of. You have already attacked him personally for these issues Taikun, so you cannot act as if you do not know about them.
I am hopeful that Benvie can get in contact with the person Shar mentioned previously so he can get the assets that are remaining and to start wrapping this IPO up. I personally trust Benvie enough to handle this now.
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Taikun
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Posted - 2008.01.20 02:23:00 -
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Don't hate me because of the words Shar Tegral types.
All I have done was point out certain parts of his IPO and what I beleive are Shar's true feelings towards this community. Don't forget that he is a MAJOR holder of other peoples isk and they are genuinely worred about the state of affairs.
What you think of me, or my motives are irrelevent, and off topic.
So, I'll just let Shars now (near 2 week) unexplained absence and his words speak for themselves.
To me, someone with the direct and indirect responsibility over 10's, if not 100's of billions of other peoples isk should have a risk management plan, partner. That is simple logic so that in cases where illness or accident, the result is not the total loss of the communities hard earned isk. That thinking should have been built into the IPO and in this case it was clearly not.
Taikun
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Akita T
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Posted - 2008.01.20 02:56:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 20/01/2008 02:56:18
Would Shar Tegral come online here saying "ha-ha, you've been scammed", now THAT would be a completely different thing and you could gloat as much as you like with the "I told you so" routine.
Right now, for better or worse, we can only assume it's a case of "force majeure", and for some reason the "replacement" has failed to step up to the plate.
Why that is, we do not know, and we can't know until somebody tells us.
I suppose you DON'T have any information, so your guess is as good as anybody else's.
Crying wolf now is kind of pointless and even counter-productive.
This whole should have could have would have thing serves nobody.
Feel free to bring it up NEXT time Shar tries to raise funds for an IPO, pointing out the fact real-life (more or less serious) problems caused him to not fulfill his "game obligations" properly.
At best, what this could then acheive, is to have replacements in case of trouble assigned BEFORE the whole thing starts, not more, not less.
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Taikun
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Posted - 2008.01.20 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 20/01/2008 03:12:17
Originally by: Akita T
Would Shar Tegral come online here saying "ha-ha, you've been scammed", now THAT would be a completely different thing and you could gloat as much as you like with the "I told you so" routine.
I certainly disagree with your assessment that my posts were in some form "I told you so" irrespective of what others may claim. My posts stand on their own, the information I provided is factually correct and relevent.
It seems, that in the absence of credible information to the contrary, others feel that resorting to personally attacking me through inuendo is the normal response. This is off topic and does nothing to restore investor confidence.
Originally by: Akita T
I suppose you DON'T have any information, so your guess is as good as anybody else's.
Crying wolf now is kind of pointless and even counter-productive.
This whole should have could have would have thing serves nobody.
Thank you for recognising my 'guess' is as good as anyone elses. When I formulate enough evidence and information to make such a 'guess' surrounding Shar Tegrals continued unexplained absence, and the silence of his proxy I will be sure to let you know.
I agree that crying wolf right now is premature which is why I have purposely not made any such statements.
Originally by: Akita T
Feel free to bring it up NEXT time Shar tries to raise funds for an IPO, pointing out the fact real-life (more or less serious) problems caused him to not fulfill his "game obligations" properly.
At best, what this could then acheive, is to have replacements in case of trouble assigned BEFORE the whole thing starts, not more, not less.
I imagine I would be so inclined to point that information out.
Taikun
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Akita T
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Posted - 2008.01.20 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
I certainly disagree with your assessment that my posts were in some form "I told you so" irrespective of what others may claim. My posts stand on their own, the information I provided is factually correct and relevent.
Pray, do tell, what else could you have possibly hoped to acheive with your post quoting the IPO thread then ?
If anything, this is the best time to gamble on wether the IPO will be liquidated any time soon and with a decent profit, and either buy or sell shares in this IPO accordingly.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 03:34:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 20/01/2008 03:35:59
Originally by: Akita T
Pray, do tell, what else could you have possibly hoped to acheive with your post quoting the IPO thread then ?
What did I hope my post to achieve? Just a simple reminder of information and expectations. Specifically when Shar says:
"I'm just as bad as most of the worst pirates in the game. I don't give a rat's ass about the community's opinion of me. I do what I do because it is what I want to do regardless of (un)popular opinions or any trends or fads."
I take him literally at his word, and anyone who invested in his IPO should probably do so also.
Shar Tegral claims has issues going on in his life, and he openly states in his IPO that he could not care less about the communities and by infrenece, investors opinions of himself. Accordingly, investors need to keep this in mind and be aware that Shar probably won't be running to the keyboard any time soon to "keep his reputation intact".
The second quote was Shar Tegrals discussion on whether or not you should "trust" him in his own words. I beleive reading that statement again is quite appropriate now, given that those that invested are questioning that very subject due to the unexplained absence.
I didn't paraphase Shar Tegral. I didn't make judgements. I barely even commented. I just quoted the relevent sections let Shar Tegrals own words speak for themselves.
Taikun
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Dr Slurm
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Posted - 2008.01.20 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
At this moment I feel it is important to remind you all of Shar's own words in his very own IPO.
Originally by: "Shar Tegaral"
Who am I? (Sic: Shar Tegral)
I'm not some well renowned PVP'er/ Pirate/ Role player blah, blah, blah. I'm just well known for speaking my mind, and the truth as I know it, without any regard for anyone feelings, respect, or even my own survival. In that regard I'm just as bad as most of the worst pirates in the game. I don't give a rat's ass about the community's opinion of me. I do what I do because it is what I want to do regardless of (un)popular opinions or any trends or fads. The prime thing that I bring to any situation I'm involved in is: Honesty.
Originally by: "Shar Tegral"
Why should I trust you? (Sic: Shar Tegral)
You shouldn't.
If you feel that there is no reason for you to do so, don't. I am at peace with the fact that you choose not to entrust me with your funds. To be even more blunt, if you feel you have trust questions that are unanswered please pass this chance by. Pass This opportunity, pass this post, pass me by entirely. I'd rather not have the headaches as it quickly becomes difficult to distinguish between honest questions and flame baiting/mild trolling. I've got enough marks, you know what kind, on my record that I'm just going to ignore any trust issue questions and potential trolls/flames, period.
You may feel free to do some research if you like and come to your own conclusions. But I'm not going to kiss your arse anymore than I think you'll kiss mine.
Link
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Taikun
These two quotes are exactly why I would trust Shar more over you any day of the week. I dare you to run an IPO. I know you won't because you will receive a pitiful amount of investment, and then only from people who don't know you.
Unlike Shar you do care what the community thinks about you. Which is plainly obvious in all of your posts.
There has not been one person, besides yourself, question Shar's integrity. I am not worried in the least bit that RDIR will be resolved, in a profitable way no less.
All in all you are just trying to stir up a bee's nest and its not working, because absolutely NO ONE respects your opinion.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 03:57:00 -
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Taikun, you make hopelessly skewed quotes, and you always have.
Thus, you're either an idiot (and you actually have no idea what you're doing) or a liar (and believe you can convince people otherwise).
The way I look at it, even if Shar decided to scam he'd have accomplished more net positive towards the EVE community than a wholly, above-board Taikun. You came here as a bad apple; you calmed down for a while and started acting like an adult with a few insightful posts; and now you're back to going with the personal crusades again. Tbh, I agree with you -- forum needs more Shar back. If that comes at the cost of a little Taikun, eh, then who am I to cry over spilt milk. 
Welcome to the dark side old friend. .Shar
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Posted - 2008.01.20 03:57:00 -
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So, in a lot more words, you're saying that if the person behind Shar had a choice between making some serious extra effort in real-life or lowering other game player's "trust levels", he'd pick the latter.
He was completely honest about it from the start. I don't see any problems with it.
If that wasn't clear enough to anybody who invested in this in the first place (and I'm one of them, a small investor though), they should have learned to read better.
And again, I ask you, what could you possibly hope to acheive by posting that, other than reminding people of what they should have already known ?
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Posted - 2008.01.20 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slurm
These two quotes are exactly why I would trust Shar more over you any day of the week. I dare you to run an IPO. I know you won't because you will receive a pitiful amount of investment, and then only from people who don't know you.
I have no need to an IPO. IPOs are for making ISK, or having fun.
I have made my billions and realise that adding additional zeros is futile as there is nothing more really to spend my isk on.
On the other hand many IPOs are nothing more than people playing businessman. As I have already "been there and done that" in real life, I have no sell fufilling desire to chain myself to that stone in a game.
Originally by: Dr Slurm
Unlike Shar you do care what the community thinks about you. Which is plainly obvious in all of your posts.
I hardly lose sleep over what many of you think about me. 
Originally by: Dr Slurm
There has not been one person, besides yourself, question Shar's integrity. I am not worried in the least bit that RDIR will be resolved, in a profitable way no less.
Actually there has been several. I know of at least 5-10 different individuals who have contacted me in game directly for more information and my opinions on his and other IPOs.
Originally by: Dr Slurm
All in all you are just trying to stir up a bee's nest and its not working, because absolutely NO ONE respects your opinion.
You would be surprised who respects my opinions.
Nevertheless your entire post was off the topic at hand. Abusing me further will not make Shar Tegral magically appear from the vapor. Got any insight to the topic at hand?
Taikun
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Dr Slurm
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Posted - 2008.01.20 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
Originally by: Dr Slurm
These two quotes are exactly why I would trust Shar more over you any day of the week. I dare you to run an IPO. I know you won't because you will receive a pitiful amount of investment, and then only from people who don't know you.
I have no need to an IPO. IPOs are for making ISK, or having fun.
I have made my billions and realise that adding additional zeros is futile as there is nothing more really to spend my isk on.
On the other hand many IPOs are nothing more than people playing businessman. As I have already "been there and done that" in real life, I have no sell fufilling desire to chain myself to that stone in a game.
Originally by: Dr Slurm
Unlike Shar you do care what the community thinks about you. Which is plainly obvious in all of your posts.
I hardly lose sleep over what many of you think about me.
Originally by: Dr Slurm
There has not been one person, besides yourself, question Shar's integrity. I am not worried in the least bit that RDIR will be resolved, in a profitable way no less.
Actually there has been several. I know of at least 5-10 different individuals who have contacted me in game directly for more information and my opinions on his and other IPOs.
Originally by: Dr Slurm
All in all you are just trying to stir up a bee's nest and its not working, because absolutely NO ONE respects your opinion.
You would be surprised who respects my opinions.
Nevertheless your entire post was off the topic at hand. Abusing me further will not make Shar Tegral magically appear from the vapor. Got any insight to the topic at hand?
Taikun
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Posted - 2008.01.20 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
So, in a lot more words, you're saying that if the person behind Shar had a choice between making some serious extra effort in real-life or lowering other game player's "trust levels", he'd pick the latter.
I reject your assertion that a simple forum post is considered "serious extra effort". unless the individual is such that he is physically incapable of either posting himself, or communicating to another to make a post I personally believe there is a ethical responsibiliy to make that effort.
However I wanted to remind everyone that they shoudl not be surprised that Shar Tegral does not hold that same view and not to 'panic' or 'jump to conclusions'.
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that Shar Tegral can and does walk away from in game responsibilties especially after what he wrote in his IPO.
Originally by: Akita T
And again, I ask you, what could you possibly hope to acheive by posting that, other than reminding people of what they should have already known ?
Why do you think I have any other motive behind my post other than simply 'reminding people of what they should have already known'.
That is exactly why I posted. To remind everyone of basic facts surrounding this IPO and the unusual nature of its owner with regards to communication, or lack their of.
Taikun
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Posted - 2008.01.20 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slurm
Forgive me if I don't believe a word you say.
Consider yourself forgiven.
Taikun
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Akita T
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Posted - 2008.01.20 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
I reject your assertion that a simple forum post is considered "serious extra effort". Unless the individual is such that he is physically incapable of either posting himself, or communicating to another to make a post I personally believe there is a ethical responsibiliy to make that effort.
From what I gather, the person behind Shar is a priest in real-life and was scheduled for surgery.
I somehow doubt he has any real-life friends that play EVE, and it could well be he is physically unable to get to a PC with internet access.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 04:44:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 20/01/2008 04:49:29
Edited by: Taikun on 20/01/2008 04:44:46
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 20/01/2008 04:28:01
Originally by: Taikun
I reject your assertion that a simple forum post is considered "serious extra effort". Unless the individual is such that he is physically incapable of either posting himself, or communicating to another to make a post I personally believe there is a ethical responsibiliy to make that effort.
From what I gather, the person behind Shar is a priest in real-life and was scheduled for surgery, returned for a while early this month, then fallen off the chart almost 2 weeks ago.
I somehow doubt he has any real-life friends that play EVE, and it could well be he is physically unable to get to a PC with internet access.
And you are welcome to assume that view which you have little to no evidence to back up.
I however am attempting to piece together an understanding of the situation based upon existing communication in these forums. Not through wiji board speculation.
I read what is written by Shar Tegral and take his words at face value. I find it more likely that if Shar was on the verge of a signifigant medical procedure where communication would be impossible he would have been presented with a choice.
Hand over the reigns to another more capable person to liqidate his holding out of respect to his investors.
Or completely disregarded his obligations to his investors and left them in the dark. If and/or when he ever decided to return to EvE he could decide whether or not to fulfill his obligations to his investors.
At this moment he claims to have done the former, rather than the latter. Unfortunately this person who is supposed to have taken over the reigns of RDIR has not come forward with any levels of communication.
So. Some of us could speculate this person never exisited.
Or simply is ignoring THEIR responsibilities to Shar Tegral in his time of need.
Or even more sinisterly... took off with RDIR assets while Shar Tegral is incapacitated.
Or it could be none of this and Shar tegral just couldn't be bothered to login anymore.
But such speculation is pointless and ultimately friutless.
The only thing I suggest any of you take away from this experience is the sobering fact that communication isn't expected any time soon because nobody knows anything more than anyone else does.
Taikun
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Posted - 2008.01.20 04:58:00 -
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Please stick to the topic at hand and not allow yourself to be diverted to attacks on personal integrity.
Mitnal,
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Ramblin Man
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Posted - 2008.01.20 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Please stick to the topic at hand and not allow yourself to be diverted to attacks on personal integrity.
Yeah... it's a damn shame when the second post in a thread is taking a shot at someone who may or may not be in a hospital.
Welcome to the dark side old friend. .Shar
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Posted - 2008.01.20 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Shadarle on 20/01/2008 05:18:27
I think the simple way to determine if Taikun is trolling is to ask yourself a question. Do you believe Taikun would have posted in this thread at all if all the facts were the same but the name was other than Shar? If you do not think he would have then this is trolling.
The point of this thread is to discuss what is going to happen now. This is what needs to be answered. Attacking Shar is not useful in any way.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Please stick to the topic at hand and not allow yourself to be diverted to attacks on personal integrity.
Hey Genius,
This whole forum is based on integrity.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 05:49:00 -
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Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 20/01/2008 05:52:06
Originally by: Dr Slurm
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Please stick to the topic at hand and not allow yourself to be diverted to attacks on personal integrity.
Hey Genius....
Careful, sarcasm has been added to the list of banable offenses. It's worse than quoting a quotation of something but not quite as bad as discussing the moderation of the quoting of a quotation of something.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
*moderated*
Poor Taikun, can dish it out but not take it. You can veil your insults in as many clouded quotes as you like, they boil down to the same thing.
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.01.20 07:02:00 -
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The vote is up.
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