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Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.20 07:56:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 20/01/2008 08:02:03
This is wonderful news Ricdic!
My heart goes out to Shar Tegral and I hope his complaint is short lived. I am sure many of you would agree with me that he is a shining light in these forums and his prolonged absence has brought pain to us all.
I for one am eagerly anticipating his speedy recovery and return to the forums.
Taikun
P.S. Personal note to Shar Tegral: "You are in my families, and Churches prayers tonight. Bless you."
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.20 11:34:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Taikun
Not through wiji board speculation.
Ouija board.
I have nothing else to add right now.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.20 13:34:00 -
[33]
Quick word in my own defense....
Two weeks ago I was feeling the "usual" side effects of chemotherapy (nausea, dizziness, etc..) but felt capable to reinsert myself into my life and my various activities around that life. This even included being an ebank teller, updating all the RDIR data, and informing my alliance that I was back. That afternoon I went for a nap as I got really really tired. About a week later I woke up with a new tube going from the center of my head down to my abdomen. (This will complicate stretching exercises no doubt!)
I've been home since this past Thursday when I finally responded to an msn page from Ric. Since then I've been using my time to assess my capabilities and work up to getting back into my life. I've also used this time to complete the RDIR data updates (90%) done. Benvie will have the file sent to him shortly, via email, so that he can assess and report.
I am very pleased with the support I've recieved, I'm very pleased to see that the RDIR community itself has grown to trust Benvie (I kind of like him too), and I'm very pleased with how my own risk structure handled this matter. (My wife received telephone calls but then we are all good friends too so it goes without saying.)
As for transactions and activities, barring a few temporary outages due to bad weather the personal webserver I have Ray's Sexy running on is still up and has been updating regularly. As for why I've been silent for the past couple of days, I wanted to get a full handle on the data entry requirements before I shoulder the stress burden that is these forums.
Taikun, thank you for your prayers but to be quite honest you really are one of those irritants that just makes eve less and less worth the time a person puts into it. While annoying someone out of the game may seem like winning... it is not.
Of course it is unfair to single you out entirely as well. Eve is just filled with a vocal minority who, as a rule, is mostly represented by people with little good faith, good intent, and good sense. Every time these people draw attention to themselves a little piece of me dies inside knowing that I breathe the same air with so pitiful an organism. Makes me almost look forward to dying just so I can stop doing so.
"Be all you can be" is a motto even idiots and jerks live up to... all to often. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.20 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
While annoying someone out of the game may seem like winning... it is not.
Vastly unhappy with that sentence and we all know how I hate to "edit" any post. Let me restate it like so: Originally by: Shar Tegral
Using annoyance to drive someone out of this game may seem like winning... it is not.
I think this second sentence is less convoluted and may go through "translators" better as well.
"Be all you can be" is a motto even idiots and jerks live up to... all to often. |
Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.20 14:01:00 -
[35]
Welcome back Shar.
Glad to hear that you have recieved my email, and I am sure we all appreciate the great effort it took for you to take the time to update everyone of your position.
Furthermore, thanks for the special effort of including a direct reference to me in your post considering how delicate you must feel healthwise be at the moment. It means alot to me (since you were finding it difficult to communicate with everyone else for so long) that I was one of the first people you talk to directly in the forums.
Just remember buddy. Were all pulling for you over here. God speed.
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.20 14:12:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Taikun
It means alot to me (since you were finding it difficult to communicate with everyone else for so long) that I was one of the first people you talk to directly in the forums.
Since I no longer have to worry about a life time ban: Do us all a favor, end yourself.
"Be all you can be" is a motto even idiots and jerks live up to... all to often. |
Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.20 14:30:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Since I no longer have to worry about a life time ban:
Do us all a favor, end yourself.[/justify]
Just double checking. Didn't you say you were a clergyman?
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2008.01.20 14:48:00 -
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Taikun, I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve, but your sarcastic sympathy and generally vindictive stance towards shar is,to put it bluntly, brainless. So, to re-iterate it:
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Do us all a favor, end yourself.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.20 14:50:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Since I no longer have to worry about a life time ban: Do us all a favor, end yourself.
Originally by: Taikun
Just double checking. Didn't you say you were a clergyman?
I am one. So, if you are wondering: To be a good Christian one endeavors to be Christ-like. Logic tells us that to endeavor to become something inherently implies that one's current state is not what you are endeavoring to become. Thus while I endeavor to be as persevering and tolerant as our lord and savior I am not him thus I may fall back into my natural sinful state and wish you ill. For this I'll pray to him for forgiveness and guidance from this primal state, to you I'll just have to suffer through my shame at hating you. Of course there is the other side of the theological story: Despising you and suggesting your termination is quite within biblical doctrine. Christ sure did hate the tree that bore no fruit though it presented itself otherwise. As such he cursed it and it withered. So go wither.
"Be all you can be" is a motto even idiots and jerks live up to... all to often. |
Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.20 14:55:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Omber Zombie
your sarcastic sympathy
I take great offence to that. One doesn't fool around with life threatening illness and any suggestion that my love for Shar Tegral in his hour of need is anything but genuine is simply hurtful.
A wise man should consider that health is the greatest of human blessings, and learn how by his own thought to derive benefit from his illnesses, and of those they love.
Excuse me for taking a opportunity in life to enrich myself, and a fellow gamer in need.
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.20 14:59:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
I am one. So, if you are wondering:
To be a good Christian one endeavors to be Christ-like. Logic tells us that to endeavor to become something inherently implies that one's current state is not what you are endeavoring to become. Thus while I endeavor to be as persevering and tolerant as our lord and savior I am not him thus I may fall back into my natural sinful state and wish you ill. For this I'll pray to him for forgiveness and guidance from this primal state, to you I'll just have to suffer through my shame at hating you.
Of course there is the other side of the theological story: Despising you and suggesting your termination is quite within biblical doctrine. Christ sure did hate the tree that bore no fruit though it presented itself otherwise. As such he cursed it and it withered.
So go wither.[/justify]
I'll also pray for you to have the strength to make it through this primal state. You seemed to be so much happier before.
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2008.01.20 17:18:00 -
[42]
I now have a vote in front of me asking if I want "to turn over assets to Benvie". The options being have Shar turn over Assets and ISK to Benvie or not.
I don't see any reason to turn over the ISK, just dividend it out. I have no problem with the remaining assets being transfered to Benvie. It's a little to late to get this option into the vote, but I thought I would say something.
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Adrimar
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Posted - 2008.01.20 17:27:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Dr Slurm
I now have a vote in front of me asking if I want "to turn over assets to Benvie". The options being have Shar turn over Assets and ISK to Benvie or not.
I don't see any reason to turn over the ISK, just dividend it out. I have no problem with the remaining assets being transfered to Benvie. It's a little to late to get this option into the vote, but I thought I would say something.
I think the main issue is to get the burden off of Shar and to transfer it to Benvie. Benvie will sell the remaining assets, fill in the last blanks in the spreadsheets and then dividend the isk out and close down RDIR. I am sure Shar will keep an eye on things but this will free him from this to allow him to focus on himself, his health and his family.
If your problem is that you do not trust Benvie with all the isk, I am sure a caretaker can be found who can hold the isk, though I do not think that Benvie is a risk as he is making a tidy profit as it is.
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Adrimar
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Posted - 2008.01.20 17:32:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Taikun
Originally by: Omber Zombie
your sarcastic sympathy
I take great offence to that. One doesn't fool around with life threatening illness and any suggestion that my love for Shar Tegral in his hour of need is anything but genuine is simply hurtful.
A wise man should consider that health is the greatest of human blessings, and learn how by his own thought to derive benefit from his illnesses, and of those they love.
Excuse me for taking a opportunity in life to enrich myself, and a fellow gamer in need.
Taikun
The proper thing that you could have done is to be silent when you heard the news.
When a vindicative person starts gushing sympathy towards the person he attacks most people view it as a way to get one last shot in. Considering that my own opinion (and, I think that of most of the people who read this forum) is that you actually enjoy doing this to people, something that you have even confirmed once, I see this as another attempt to kick a man who has enough rl problems as it is.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.01.20 17:53:00 -
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This is all very intense. Does the vote need an overall majority or can I abstain without affecting anyone?
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.20 17:57:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Dr Slurm
I now have a vote in front of me asking if I want "to turn over assets to Benvie". The options being have Shar turn over Assets and ISK to Benvie or not.
I don't see any reason to turn over the ISK, just dividend it out. I have no problem with the remaining assets being transfered to Benvie. It's a little to late to get this option into the vote, but I thought I would say something.
I trust both of them, but given the Shar's current health it probably makes more sense to vote in favour of turning over things to Benvie.
My research services
Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats |
Bouncer Ricdic
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Posted - 2008.01.20 18:18:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Bouncer Ricdic on 20/01/2008 18:23:18
Well the idea I had behind the vote was for Benvie to take control of the physical assets but leave the funds already raised in Shar's hands. I thought I had made this pretty clear. I am not comfortable with Benvie holding onto 30-50b at this point in time.
So a big no to Benvie taking all, and a yes to Benvie taking "only" the remaining unsold products. Benvie I request you only take the assets if this vote passes. It's easy for Shar to dividend out current isk compared to fighting the market to sell remaining stocks.
Frankly I think all isk on hand should have been dividended a month ago when it got there rather than sitting idle all this time.
I am not voting on either on the in-game vote as I dont like the way it's structured. 2 options:
1) Have Shar Tegral turn over assets and ISK to Benvie for liquidation
2) Do NOT Have Shar Tegral turn over any assets or isk
Option 1 requires both
Option 2 requires none
I would prefer another coupla options
3) Have Shar Tegral hand over only physical assets to Benvie (insert rough valuation here)
4) Have Shar Tegral hand over only physical assets to Benvie and dividend out all funds on hand.
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Fury Banker
Fury Bank Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.20 18:31:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Fury Banker on 20/01/2008 18:32:24
Originally by: Bouncer Ricdic
Edited by: Bouncer Ricdic on 20/01/2008 18:23:18
Well the idea I had behind the vote was for Benvie to take control of the physical assets but leave the funds already raised in Shar's hands. I thought I had made this pretty clear. I am not comfortable with Benvie holding onto 30-50b at this point in time.
So a big no to Benvie taking all, and a yes to Benvie taking "only" the remaining unsold products. Benvie I request you only take the assets if this vote passes. It's easy for Shar to dividend out current isk compared to fighting the market to sell remaining stocks.
Frankly I think all isk on hand should have been dividended a month ago when it got there rather than sitting idle all this time.
I am not voting on either on the in-game vote as I dont like the way it's structured. 2 options:
1) Have Shar Tegral turn over assets and ISK to Benvie for liquidation
2) Do NOT Have Shar Tegral turn over any assets or isk
Option 1 requires both
Option 2 requires none
I would prefer another coupla options
3) Have Shar Tegral hand over only physical assets to Benvie (insert rough valuation here)
4) Have Shar Tegral hand over only physical assets to Benvie and dividend out all funds on hand.
Totally agree with this.
The last thread about this I suggested dividending out cash on hand (up to a maximum amount invested plus the 5% compounded per month). That would leave the rest to have Benvie's cut taken out of. Buy-back could still be offered if desired - it would just be a cut of profits not of original investment then. Leaving the ISK sitting idle helps noone. Dividending it out above the level at which Benvie starts to get a cut is a bit dubious - so only dividend out up to that level, and it's then 100% guaranteed that there'd need be no claw-back to get Benvie's fair share.
Of the additional options listed by Ricdic, #4 is the one I'd vote for - unless Shar believes he is up to (and wants to) close it out himself.
EDIT: There's no way I'd vote for #1. A dividend facility exists - so there's absolutely no need to go passing the ISK around.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.20 18:32:00 -
[49]
I don't see why he can't be trusted with 30-50B, though I don't know him at all. He has started his own IPO and sold out, he is handling some billions there, I don't see any objections worthy of holding back any ISK.
ofc my opinion has no real merit as I am not a shareholder.
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Fury Banker
Fury Bank Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.20 18:34:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Trilori
I don't see why he can't be trusted with 30-50B, though I don't know him at all. He has started his own IPO and sold out, he is handling some billions there, I don't see any objections worthy of holding back any ISK.
ofc my opinion has no real merit as I am not a shareholder.
The issue isn't so much whether he can be trusted with it - it's why take the risk when the money can just be dividended out to those it legitimately belongs to.
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Lotto Money
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Posted - 2008.01.20 18:34:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Lotto Money on 20/01/2008 18:34:51
Unfortunately my ISP is being a pig and refusing to let me connect to Eve, so I can't vote no to #1 with my 6000 shares.
EDIT << Another alt of Fury Banker.
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Bouncer Ricdic
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Posted - 2008.01.20 18:44:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Trilori
I don't see why he can't be trusted with 30-50B, though I don't know him at all. He has started his own IPO and sold out, he is handling some billions there, I don't see any objections worthy of holding back any ISK.
When I invested in RDIR I done so because I knew risk was mitigated through Shar. I chose to invest based on my trust on both characters. When I invested in Benvie I done so based on the level of trust I held (ie isk value). If we give RDIR access to Benvie then in my opinion both of my investments become insta-high risk (not because Benvie is untrustworthy, but because I invested in Benvie under specific conditions. I chose my trust levels).
I completely agree with a vote for #4 listed above.
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.01.20 19:08:00 -
[53]
I didn't know what you meant Ricdic. I had no idea what condition Shar was in and had basically assumed the worst, and that best case scenario was him getting on for a few minutes and quickly transferring everything over. Since Shar is now able to get on the internet, I'd do whatever he wants to do. Whatever he wants, I don't really care what the method is, I just wanted to beat the deadline I set in my original proposal.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.20 21:33:00 -
[54]
We'll work around what ever choice the investors make, of that you can be assured. Benvie has a fresh report (with a huge freaking typo in it btw) in his mail box and for those who have had previous spreadsheets I can make copies available as well. Currently RDIR is in a 50/50 state. 50% liquid isk and 50% value of assets. The 50% valuation is at "Jita average prices" so take that for what it is worth.
In brief:
Sold off 7,734,907,790.99 isk of inventory.
Gained 18,356,832,167.93 isk in return.
Generated profit of 10,697,327,727.64.
Remaining inventory cost 20,388,513,766.62.
Speculated Jita Prices of remaining inventory: 39,184,023,263.31
So, the fund has done well, super even, before my sudden illness. Benvie's choices were 12/14 exactly perfect. The are two products that we've taken a about a billion loss on. Negligible in total compared to the overall gain.
I would feel extremely comfortable reporting this:
Current Nav: 58,902,250,302.40
Per Share Value: 1,963,408.34
"Be all you can be" is a motto even idiots and jerks live up to... all to often. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.20 21:40:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Current Nav: 58,902,250,302.40
Per Share Value: 1,963,408.34
I need to make a correction btw... Benvie's compensation is hard to pin down specifically as the very original ipo was going to based upon dividend output. When I got involved some of the ipo was changed but not properly considered and thought out. So the above NAV does not reflect Benvie's entitlement. /me begins opening up another spreadsheet. Benvie's Current Entitlement: 1,994,281,813.72 This entitlement is based purely upon completed sales and can be potentially higher as the inventory itself is converted to liquid isk. So, his entitlement has been averaging about 1 billion per 9 billion sold. So it would be a safe assumption that Benvie's further entitlement would be another 4 billion in total bringing us this correction: RDIR Nav: 52,902,250,302.40 Per Share Value: 1,763,408.34
"Be all you can be" is a motto even idiots and jerks live up to... all to often. |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:47:00 -
[56]
Holy crap, it actually has nearly reached the 100% margin some of us hoped for. Though it has taken a bit longer than I expected it is still doing very well.
Very nice predictions Benvie 
Tanking Setups Compared
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.01.20 23:04:00 -
[57]
I'm just happy that this investment has been worth it for my investors and that I didn't let anyone down.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.21 00:29:00 -
[58]
You may call me insane, many already do.
while I agree the risks are spread out between two actual persons/characters vs just one. Seeing as how well RDIR is doing, I don't see any reason to give Benvie any ISK as long as Shar is up to it :) (welcome back btw).
However, if worse case scenario came (which I highly doubt, but like to keep in mind) IMHO it would be safe to give Benvie full jurisdiction, if RDIR didn't deliver as expected then I could see plenty of other reasons not to do so regardless of risks.
Congrats to you, shar and investors as well as RDIR :) Remember my comments have no merits I am not an investor in this one.
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.01.21 00:50:00 -
[59]
The only reason to give me anything is if Shar wants me to finish up the liquidation. The only reason I put that vote up was because I thought Shar was out of commission.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.21 01:22:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Benvie
The only reason to give me anything is if Shar wants me to finish up the liquidation. The only reason I put that vote up was because I thought Shar was out of commission.
Mate, you know me well enough by now to know that I find no offense in your actions. My situation is only marginally relevant to the operation of RDIR. If my situation hinders it, like it has from some of the data, then the fair thing to do is to attempt to move around me. Knowing that I've been ill is far more comforting than if I had just absconded, yes I know no one seriously thought that, or if I had simply died. (Finally got your e-mail Taikun, the one titled "Are you dead yet?" So classy... ...) But personal situations are for when you are interacting on a personal level. That is not the general bend of this forum nor is it with the operation of RDIR. My shame is that I didn't give you my home phone or my wife's email address. (She somehow religiously forgets my passwords stating that they are too complicated to remember.) I don't fault my "other" partners for keeping mum during this time but loose lips sink ships is not just a motto in eve.... it's a zen thing. As to the overall image of RDIR... I do a lot of work for it. Grunt work mind you. There is some think work as well but 90% of the thinking was, and still is, Benvie's. I'm a glorified monkey here how went awol. The fact that I hold all the assets does not make this my project. It is Benvie's, genius credit is his just as credit for grunt work is mine. Essentially, as someone put it earlier in the thread, force majeure entered the equation. The vote to have me removed as "unreliable/unavailable" is an appropriate response and I find no offense of any kind. In fact I've done it to others in the past myself. And yes, I'm feeling much better now. Loads.
"Be all you can be" is a motto even idiots and jerks live up to... all to often. |
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