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Benvie
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Posted - 2008.01.19 18:21:00 -
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I have gotten a few inquiries as to the status of RDIR so I'm posting this publicly for all to see. As of right now I have very little information, as I am basically out of the loop. Shar Tegral hasn't been seen in over a week and as far as I know this is an unplanned absence. He re-disappeared without word to anyone I know, including some people at Ebank I have talked to.
I have no access to any of the assets or any of the ISK so there's nothing I can directly do to resolve this situation. I am trying to find out who the associate it is he mentioned before that has access to the assets in case of an emergency. If I can get ahold of this person I will be asking for them to either complete liquidation of the assets or to turn over ownership of them to me.
I would like to get this completed as soon as possible. If the assets were in my hands this would have been done with by New Years. I stated in my original offering that the assets would be liquidated and ISK distributed within 2 months of the date of patch. I hope that I can keep that promise, but also keep in mind I wrote that with the expectation that I would have full control of the assets. At this point there's only so much I can do.
If there's anyone who can help me, if you know any information on Shar or you know who his associate is, I would appreciate any help in the matter. I'd like to get this wrapped up so that everyone can get their ISK and so I don't have this hanging over my head.
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Posted - 2008.01.19 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 19/01/2008 18:55:26
At this moment I feel it is important to remind you all of Shar's very own word in his very own IPO.
 Originally by: "Shar Tegaral"
Who am I? (Sic: Shar Tegral)
I'm not some well renowned PVP'er/ Pirate/ Role player blah, blah, blah. I'm just well known for speaking my mind, and the truth as I know it, without any regard for anyone feelings, respect, or even my own survival. In that regard I'm just as bad as most of the worst pirates in the game. I don't give a rat's ass about the community's opinion of me. I do what I do because it is what I want to do regardless of (un)popular opinions or any trends or fads. The prime thing that I bring to any situation I'm involved in is: Honesty.
Originally by: "Shar Tegral"
Why should I trust you? (Sic: Shar Tegral)
You shouldn't.
If you feel that there is no reason for you to do so, don't. I am at peace with the fact that you choose not to entrust me with your funds. To be even more blunt, if you feel you have trust questions that are unanswered please pass this chance by. Pass This opportunity, pass this post, pass me by entirely. I'd rather not have the headaches as it quickly becomes difficult to distinguish between honest questions and flame baiting/mild trolling. I've got enough marks, you know what kind, on my record that I'm just going to ignore any trust issue questions and potential trolls/flames, period.
You may feel free to do some research if you like and come to your own conclusions. But I'm not going to kiss your arse anymore than I think you'll kiss mine.
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Taikun
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Ray McCormack
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Posted - 2008.01.19 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
Contact me directly for more detailed insights.
Here's my insight on you, for free, in public.
You're an arse and contribute nothing worthwhile to this community. Your twisted, bitter opinions and personal vendettas against certain members of this forum are nothing more than comical. Please, do us all a favour an stop posting such useless drivel.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.01.19 19:00:00 -
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As far as im aware, Shar is MIA because of illness or something. At least he posted around christmas he was going away for some time for an operation due to him hitting his head in a fall.
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Taikun
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Posted - 2008.01.19 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 19/01/2008 19:04:07
I am sorry you feel that way about me Ray.
However, a question has been raised about Shar Tegrals business matters and I feel that his own words in his IPO may shed light on the current situation.
If you have information to the contrary please present it.
One thing I do know... how you feel about me bears nothing on the situation between Shar Tegarals business, his investors and himself.
However, his IPO statements do, and I wanted to remind everyone of them at this juncture.
Taikun
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Martosh Toma
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Posted - 2008.01.19 19:21:00 -
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Wonder if I should get firefox or something to remove something unsightly from this forum...
I will admit being worried. Not for my isk, but for the health of the person behind Shar. I just hope he is ok and that we hear from him again soon.
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Posted - 2008.01.19 19:38:00 -
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Originally posted by Shar Tegral on 17/12/07...
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Okay, I've put this off long enough but I feel it is required for me to say this. I've made arrangements with my co-CEO, Eve partner since launch, to have access to all records pertaining to RDIR in case things should take longer than anticipated. This co-CEO option has always existed in case of any life changing circumstances.
I'm not going into details and spare me your well wishes and any other emo. Simply put I'm going in tomorrow morning for some more surgery. This could wind up being somewhat brief or it could be a lot more complicated. It is very risky regardless.
That ends this announcement.
PS: Don't bump this thread with well wishes. I know you all wish me well, even the so called lowest of the lows around here. In the forum hating we do I've come to learn to respect many of you for qualities that are only subtly implied in your words... even if some of you never say a nice word.
So, just let this post sink.
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Shar - when you read this please accept my apologies for bringing this message back to life against your stated wishes to do so, but it appears you are not here to defend yourself at the moment and the vultures are starting to circle.
In the circumstances, and as some of your previous posts are now being quoted, I thought it prudent to remind everyone of the above message as well.
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Posted - 2008.01.19 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
However, his IPO statements do, and I wanted to remind everyone of them at this juncture.
Taikun
Thank you, noted, shut up.
Shar is not logging on due to illness. There is nothing more to be said.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.19 21:54:00 -
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This is the second time you've tried to bring your personal vendetta into play against Shar, Taikun.
You've posted those exact comments in the past and nobody cared then and nobody cares now. Shar could come out and say he was a scammer and his name would be better than yours on these forums. Frankly I think Riethe is held in higher regard than you are, but it's hard to compare mud to dirt.
You clearly had nothing informative to add here except to continue your personal vendetta.
Those who have been following RDIR fairly closely know that Shar had some health issues he was taking care of. You have already attacked him personally for these issues Taikun, so you cannot act as if you do not know about them.
I am hopeful that Benvie can get in contact with the person Shar mentioned previously so he can get the assets that are remaining and to start wrapping this IPO up. I personally trust Benvie enough to handle this now.
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Taikun
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Posted - 2008.01.20 02:23:00 -
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Don't hate me because of the words Shar Tegral types.
All I have done was point out certain parts of his IPO and what I beleive are Shar's true feelings towards this community. Don't forget that he is a MAJOR holder of other peoples isk and they are genuinely worred about the state of affairs.
What you think of me, or my motives are irrelevent, and off topic.
So, I'll just let Shars now (near 2 week) unexplained absence and his words speak for themselves.
To me, someone with the direct and indirect responsibility over 10's, if not 100's of billions of other peoples isk should have a risk management plan, partner. That is simple logic so that in cases where illness or accident, the result is not the total loss of the communities hard earned isk. That thinking should have been built into the IPO and in this case it was clearly not.
Taikun
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Akita T
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Posted - 2008.01.20 02:56:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 20/01/2008 02:56:18
Would Shar Tegral come online here saying "ha-ha, you've been scammed", now THAT would be a completely different thing and you could gloat as much as you like with the "I told you so" routine.
Right now, for better or worse, we can only assume it's a case of "force majeure", and for some reason the "replacement" has failed to step up to the plate.
Why that is, we do not know, and we can't know until somebody tells us.
I suppose you DON'T have any information, so your guess is as good as anybody else's.
Crying wolf now is kind of pointless and even counter-productive.
This whole should have could have would have thing serves nobody.
Feel free to bring it up NEXT time Shar tries to raise funds for an IPO, pointing out the fact real-life (more or less serious) problems caused him to not fulfill his "game obligations" properly.
At best, what this could then acheive, is to have replacements in case of trouble assigned BEFORE the whole thing starts, not more, not less.
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Taikun
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Posted - 2008.01.20 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 20/01/2008 03:12:17
Originally by: Akita T
Would Shar Tegral come online here saying "ha-ha, you've been scammed", now THAT would be a completely different thing and you could gloat as much as you like with the "I told you so" routine.
I certainly disagree with your assessment that my posts were in some form "I told you so" irrespective of what others may claim. My posts stand on their own, the information I provided is factually correct and relevent.
It seems, that in the absence of credible information to the contrary, others feel that resorting to personally attacking me through inuendo is the normal response. This is off topic and does nothing to restore investor confidence.
Originally by: Akita T
I suppose you DON'T have any information, so your guess is as good as anybody else's.
Crying wolf now is kind of pointless and even counter-productive.
This whole should have could have would have thing serves nobody.
Thank you for recognising my 'guess' is as good as anyone elses. When I formulate enough evidence and information to make such a 'guess' surrounding Shar Tegrals continued unexplained absence, and the silence of his proxy I will be sure to let you know.
I agree that crying wolf right now is premature which is why I have purposely not made any such statements.
Originally by: Akita T
Feel free to bring it up NEXT time Shar tries to raise funds for an IPO, pointing out the fact real-life (more or less serious) problems caused him to not fulfill his "game obligations" properly.
At best, what this could then acheive, is to have replacements in case of trouble assigned BEFORE the whole thing starts, not more, not less.
I imagine I would be so inclined to point that information out.
Taikun
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Akita T
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Posted - 2008.01.20 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
I certainly disagree with your assessment that my posts were in some form "I told you so" irrespective of what others may claim. My posts stand on their own, the information I provided is factually correct and relevent.
Pray, do tell, what else could you have possibly hoped to acheive with your post quoting the IPO thread then ?
If anything, this is the best time to gamble on wether the IPO will be liquidated any time soon and with a decent profit, and either buy or sell shares in this IPO accordingly.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 03:34:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 20/01/2008 03:35:59
Originally by: Akita T
Pray, do tell, what else could you have possibly hoped to acheive with your post quoting the IPO thread then ?
What did I hope my post to achieve? Just a simple reminder of information and expectations. Specifically when Shar says:
"I'm just as bad as most of the worst pirates in the game. I don't give a rat's ass about the community's opinion of me. I do what I do because it is what I want to do regardless of (un)popular opinions or any trends or fads."
I take him literally at his word, and anyone who invested in his IPO should probably do so also.
Shar Tegral claims has issues going on in his life, and he openly states in his IPO that he could not care less about the communities and by infrenece, investors opinions of himself. Accordingly, investors need to keep this in mind and be aware that Shar probably won't be running to the keyboard any time soon to "keep his reputation intact".
The second quote was Shar Tegrals discussion on whether or not you should "trust" him in his own words. I beleive reading that statement again is quite appropriate now, given that those that invested are questioning that very subject due to the unexplained absence.
I didn't paraphase Shar Tegral. I didn't make judgements. I barely even commented. I just quoted the relevent sections let Shar Tegrals own words speak for themselves.
Taikun
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Dr Slurm
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Posted - 2008.01.20 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
At this moment I feel it is important to remind you all of Shar's own words in his very own IPO.
Originally by: "Shar Tegaral"
Who am I? (Sic: Shar Tegral)
I'm not some well renowned PVP'er/ Pirate/ Role player blah, blah, blah. I'm just well known for speaking my mind, and the truth as I know it, without any regard for anyone feelings, respect, or even my own survival. In that regard I'm just as bad as most of the worst pirates in the game. I don't give a rat's ass about the community's opinion of me. I do what I do because it is what I want to do regardless of (un)popular opinions or any trends or fads. The prime thing that I bring to any situation I'm involved in is: Honesty.
Originally by: "Shar Tegral"
Why should I trust you? (Sic: Shar Tegral)
You shouldn't.
If you feel that there is no reason for you to do so, don't. I am at peace with the fact that you choose not to entrust me with your funds. To be even more blunt, if you feel you have trust questions that are unanswered please pass this chance by. Pass This opportunity, pass this post, pass me by entirely. I'd rather not have the headaches as it quickly becomes difficult to distinguish between honest questions and flame baiting/mild trolling. I've got enough marks, you know what kind, on my record that I'm just going to ignore any trust issue questions and potential trolls/flames, period.
You may feel free to do some research if you like and come to your own conclusions. But I'm not going to kiss your arse anymore than I think you'll kiss mine.
Link
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Taikun
These two quotes are exactly why I would trust Shar more over you any day of the week. I dare you to run an IPO. I know you won't because you will receive a pitiful amount of investment, and then only from people who don't know you.
Unlike Shar you do care what the community thinks about you. Which is plainly obvious in all of your posts.
There has not been one person, besides yourself, question Shar's integrity. I am not worried in the least bit that RDIR will be resolved, in a profitable way no less.
All in all you are just trying to stir up a bee's nest and its not working, because absolutely NO ONE respects your opinion.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 03:57:00 -
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Taikun, you make hopelessly skewed quotes, and you always have.
Thus, you're either an idiot (and you actually have no idea what you're doing) or a liar (and believe you can convince people otherwise).
The way I look at it, even if Shar decided to scam he'd have accomplished more net positive towards the EVE community than a wholly, above-board Taikun. You came here as a bad apple; you calmed down for a while and started acting like an adult with a few insightful posts; and now you're back to going with the personal crusades again. Tbh, I agree with you -- forum needs more Shar back. If that comes at the cost of a little Taikun, eh, then who am I to cry over spilt milk. 
Welcome to the dark side old friend. .Shar
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Posted - 2008.01.20 03:57:00 -
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So, in a lot more words, you're saying that if the person behind Shar had a choice between making some serious extra effort in real-life or lowering other game player's "trust levels", he'd pick the latter.
He was completely honest about it from the start. I don't see any problems with it.
If that wasn't clear enough to anybody who invested in this in the first place (and I'm one of them, a small investor though), they should have learned to read better.
And again, I ask you, what could you possibly hope to acheive by posting that, other than reminding people of what they should have already known ?
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Posted - 2008.01.20 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slurm
These two quotes are exactly why I would trust Shar more over you any day of the week. I dare you to run an IPO. I know you won't because you will receive a pitiful amount of investment, and then only from people who don't know you.
I have no need to an IPO. IPOs are for making ISK, or having fun.
I have made my billions and realise that adding additional zeros is futile as there is nothing more really to spend my isk on.
On the other hand many IPOs are nothing more than people playing businessman. As I have already "been there and done that" in real life, I have no sell fufilling desire to chain myself to that stone in a game.
Originally by: Dr Slurm
Unlike Shar you do care what the community thinks about you. Which is plainly obvious in all of your posts.
I hardly lose sleep over what many of you think about me. 
Originally by: Dr Slurm
There has not been one person, besides yourself, question Shar's integrity. I am not worried in the least bit that RDIR will be resolved, in a profitable way no less.
Actually there has been several. I know of at least 5-10 different individuals who have contacted me in game directly for more information and my opinions on his and other IPOs.
Originally by: Dr Slurm
All in all you are just trying to stir up a bee's nest and its not working, because absolutely NO ONE respects your opinion.
You would be surprised who respects my opinions.
Nevertheless your entire post was off the topic at hand. Abusing me further will not make Shar Tegral magically appear from the vapor. Got any insight to the topic at hand?
Taikun
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Dr Slurm
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Posted - 2008.01.20 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
Originally by: Dr Slurm
These two quotes are exactly why I would trust Shar more over you any day of the week. I dare you to run an IPO. I know you won't because you will receive a pitiful amount of investment, and then only from people who don't know you.
I have no need to an IPO. IPOs are for making ISK, or having fun.
I have made my billions and realise that adding additional zeros is futile as there is nothing more really to spend my isk on.
On the other hand many IPOs are nothing more than people playing businessman. As I have already "been there and done that" in real life, I have no sell fufilling desire to chain myself to that stone in a game.
Originally by: Dr Slurm
Unlike Shar you do care what the community thinks about you. Which is plainly obvious in all of your posts.
I hardly lose sleep over what many of you think about me.
Originally by: Dr Slurm
There has not been one person, besides yourself, question Shar's integrity. I am not worried in the least bit that RDIR will be resolved, in a profitable way no less.
Actually there has been several. I know of at least 5-10 different individuals who have contacted me in game directly for more information and my opinions on his and other IPOs.
Originally by: Dr Slurm
All in all you are just trying to stir up a bee's nest and its not working, because absolutely NO ONE respects your opinion.
You would be surprised who respects my opinions.
Nevertheless your entire post was off the topic at hand. Abusing me further will not make Shar Tegral magically appear from the vapor. Got any insight to the topic at hand?
Taikun
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Posted - 2008.01.20 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
So, in a lot more words, you're saying that if the person behind Shar had a choice between making some serious extra effort in real-life or lowering other game player's "trust levels", he'd pick the latter.
I reject your assertion that a simple forum post is considered "serious extra effort". unless the individual is such that he is physically incapable of either posting himself, or communicating to another to make a post I personally believe there is a ethical responsibiliy to make that effort.
However I wanted to remind everyone that they shoudl not be surprised that Shar Tegral does not hold that same view and not to 'panic' or 'jump to conclusions'.
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that Shar Tegral can and does walk away from in game responsibilties especially after what he wrote in his IPO.
Originally by: Akita T
And again, I ask you, what could you possibly hope to acheive by posting that, other than reminding people of what they should have already known ?
Why do you think I have any other motive behind my post other than simply 'reminding people of what they should have already known'.
That is exactly why I posted. To remind everyone of basic facts surrounding this IPO and the unusual nature of its owner with regards to communication, or lack their of.
Taikun
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Posted - 2008.01.20 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slurm
Forgive me if I don't believe a word you say.
Consider yourself forgiven.
Taikun
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Akita T
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Posted - 2008.01.20 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
I reject your assertion that a simple forum post is considered "serious extra effort". Unless the individual is such that he is physically incapable of either posting himself, or communicating to another to make a post I personally believe there is a ethical responsibiliy to make that effort.
From what I gather, the person behind Shar is a priest in real-life and was scheduled for surgery.
I somehow doubt he has any real-life friends that play EVE, and it could well be he is physically unable to get to a PC with internet access.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 04:44:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 20/01/2008 04:49:29
Edited by: Taikun on 20/01/2008 04:44:46
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 20/01/2008 04:28:01
Originally by: Taikun
I reject your assertion that a simple forum post is considered "serious extra effort". Unless the individual is such that he is physically incapable of either posting himself, or communicating to another to make a post I personally believe there is a ethical responsibiliy to make that effort.
From what I gather, the person behind Shar is a priest in real-life and was scheduled for surgery, returned for a while early this month, then fallen off the chart almost 2 weeks ago.
I somehow doubt he has any real-life friends that play EVE, and it could well be he is physically unable to get to a PC with internet access.
And you are welcome to assume that view which you have little to no evidence to back up.
I however am attempting to piece together an understanding of the situation based upon existing communication in these forums. Not through wiji board speculation.
I read what is written by Shar Tegral and take his words at face value. I find it more likely that if Shar was on the verge of a signifigant medical procedure where communication would be impossible he would have been presented with a choice.
Hand over the reigns to another more capable person to liqidate his holding out of respect to his investors.
Or completely disregarded his obligations to his investors and left them in the dark. If and/or when he ever decided to return to EvE he could decide whether or not to fulfill his obligations to his investors.
At this moment he claims to have done the former, rather than the latter. Unfortunately this person who is supposed to have taken over the reigns of RDIR has not come forward with any levels of communication.
So. Some of us could speculate this person never exisited.
Or simply is ignoring THEIR responsibilities to Shar Tegral in his time of need.
Or even more sinisterly... took off with RDIR assets while Shar Tegral is incapacitated.
Or it could be none of this and Shar tegral just couldn't be bothered to login anymore.
But such speculation is pointless and ultimately friutless.
The only thing I suggest any of you take away from this experience is the sobering fact that communication isn't expected any time soon because nobody knows anything more than anyone else does.
Taikun
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Posted - 2008.01.20 04:58:00 -
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Please stick to the topic at hand and not allow yourself to be diverted to attacks on personal integrity.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Please stick to the topic at hand and not allow yourself to be diverted to attacks on personal integrity.
Yeah... it's a damn shame when the second post in a thread is taking a shot at someone who may or may not be in a hospital.
Welcome to the dark side old friend. .Shar
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Posted - 2008.01.20 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Shadarle on 20/01/2008 05:18:27
I think the simple way to determine if Taikun is trolling is to ask yourself a question. Do you believe Taikun would have posted in this thread at all if all the facts were the same but the name was other than Shar? If you do not think he would have then this is trolling.
The point of this thread is to discuss what is going to happen now. This is what needs to be answered. Attacking Shar is not useful in any way.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Please stick to the topic at hand and not allow yourself to be diverted to attacks on personal integrity.
Hey Genius,
This whole forum is based on integrity.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 05:49:00 -
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Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 20/01/2008 05:52:06
Originally by: Dr Slurm
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Please stick to the topic at hand and not allow yourself to be diverted to attacks on personal integrity.
Hey Genius....
Careful, sarcasm has been added to the list of banable offenses. It's worse than quoting a quotation of something but not quite as bad as discussing the moderation of the quoting of a quotation of something.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
*moderated*
Poor Taikun, can dish it out but not take it. You can veil your insults in as many clouded quotes as you like, they boil down to the same thing.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 07:02:00 -
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The vote is up.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 07:56:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 20/01/2008 08:02:03
This is wonderful news Ricdic!
My heart goes out to Shar Tegral and I hope his complaint is short lived. I am sure many of you would agree with me that he is a shining light in these forums and his prolonged absence has brought pain to us all.
I for one am eagerly anticipating his speedy recovery and return to the forums.
Taikun
P.S. Personal note to Shar Tegral: "You are in my families, and Churches prayers tonight. Bless you."
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Posted - 2008.01.20 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
Not through wiji board speculation.
Ouija board.
I have nothing else to add right now.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.20 13:34:00 -
[33]
Quick word in my own defense....
Two weeks ago I was feeling the "usual" side effects of chemotherapy (nausea, dizziness, etc..) but felt capable to reinsert myself into my life and my various activities around that life. This even included being an ebank teller, updating all the RDIR data, and informing my alliance that I was back. That afternoon I went for a nap as I got really really tired. About a week later I woke up with a new tube going from the center of my head down to my abdomen. (This will complicate stretching exercises no doubt!)
I've been home since this past Thursday when I finally responded to an msn page from Ric. Since then I've been using my time to assess my capabilities and work up to getting back into my life. I've also used this time to complete the RDIR data updates (90%) done. Benvie will have the file sent to him shortly, via email, so that he can assess and report.
I am very pleased with the support I've recieved, I'm very pleased to see that the RDIR community itself has grown to trust Benvie (I kind of like him too), and I'm very pleased with how my own risk structure handled this matter. (My wife received telephone calls but then we are all good friends too so it goes without saying.)
As for transactions and activities, barring a few temporary outages due to bad weather the personal webserver I have Ray's Sexy running on is still up and has been updating regularly. As for why I've been silent for the past couple of days, I wanted to get a full handle on the data entry requirements before I shoulder the stress burden that is these forums.
Taikun, thank you for your prayers but to be quite honest you really are one of those irritants that just makes eve less and less worth the time a person puts into it. While annoying someone out of the game may seem like winning... it is not.
Of course it is unfair to single you out entirely as well. Eve is just filled with a vocal minority who, as a rule, is mostly represented by people with little good faith, good intent, and good sense. Every time these people draw attention to themselves a little piece of me dies inside knowing that I breathe the same air with so pitiful an organism. Makes me almost look forward to dying just so I can stop doing so.
"Be all you can be" is a motto even idiots and jerks live up to... all to often. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.20 13:38:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
While annoying someone out of the game may seem like winning... it is not.
Vastly unhappy with that sentence and we all know how I hate to "edit" any post. Let me restate it like so: Originally by: Shar Tegral
Using annoyance to drive someone out of this game may seem like winning... it is not.
I think this second sentence is less convoluted and may go through "translators" better as well.
"Be all you can be" is a motto even idiots and jerks live up to... all to often. |
Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.20 14:01:00 -
[35]
Welcome back Shar.
Glad to hear that you have recieved my email, and I am sure we all appreciate the great effort it took for you to take the time to update everyone of your position.
Furthermore, thanks for the special effort of including a direct reference to me in your post considering how delicate you must feel healthwise be at the moment. It means alot to me (since you were finding it difficult to communicate with everyone else for so long) that I was one of the first people you talk to directly in the forums.
Just remember buddy. Were all pulling for you over here. God speed.
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.20 14:12:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Taikun
It means alot to me (since you were finding it difficult to communicate with everyone else for so long) that I was one of the first people you talk to directly in the forums.
Since I no longer have to worry about a life time ban: Do us all a favor, end yourself.
"Be all you can be" is a motto even idiots and jerks live up to... all to often. |
Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.20 14:30:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Since I no longer have to worry about a life time ban:
Do us all a favor, end yourself.[/justify]
Just double checking. Didn't you say you were a clergyman?
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2008.01.20 14:48:00 -
[38]
Taikun, I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve, but your sarcastic sympathy and generally vindictive stance towards shar is,to put it bluntly, brainless. So, to re-iterate it:
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Do us all a favor, end yourself.
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FTEK | Production ~ Research ~ Sales ~ Election Fixing |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.20 14:50:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Since I no longer have to worry about a life time ban: Do us all a favor, end yourself.
Originally by: Taikun
Just double checking. Didn't you say you were a clergyman?
I am one. So, if you are wondering: To be a good Christian one endeavors to be Christ-like. Logic tells us that to endeavor to become something inherently implies that one's current state is not what you are endeavoring to become. Thus while I endeavor to be as persevering and tolerant as our lord and savior I am not him thus I may fall back into my natural sinful state and wish you ill. For this I'll pray to him for forgiveness and guidance from this primal state, to you I'll just have to suffer through my shame at hating you. Of course there is the other side of the theological story: Despising you and suggesting your termination is quite within biblical doctrine. Christ sure did hate the tree that bore no fruit though it presented itself otherwise. As such he cursed it and it withered. So go wither.
"Be all you can be" is a motto even idiots and jerks live up to... all to often. |
Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.20 14:55:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Omber Zombie
your sarcastic sympathy
I take great offence to that. One doesn't fool around with life threatening illness and any suggestion that my love for Shar Tegral in his hour of need is anything but genuine is simply hurtful.
A wise man should consider that health is the greatest of human blessings, and learn how by his own thought to derive benefit from his illnesses, and of those they love.
Excuse me for taking a opportunity in life to enrich myself, and a fellow gamer in need.
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.20 14:59:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
I am one. So, if you are wondering:
To be a good Christian one endeavors to be Christ-like. Logic tells us that to endeavor to become something inherently implies that one's current state is not what you are endeavoring to become. Thus while I endeavor to be as persevering and tolerant as our lord and savior I am not him thus I may fall back into my natural sinful state and wish you ill. For this I'll pray to him for forgiveness and guidance from this primal state, to you I'll just have to suffer through my shame at hating you.
Of course there is the other side of the theological story: Despising you and suggesting your termination is quite within biblical doctrine. Christ sure did hate the tree that bore no fruit though it presented itself otherwise. As such he cursed it and it withered.
So go wither.[/justify]
I'll also pray for you to have the strength to make it through this primal state. You seemed to be so much happier before.
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2008.01.20 17:18:00 -
[42]
I now have a vote in front of me asking if I want "to turn over assets to Benvie". The options being have Shar turn over Assets and ISK to Benvie or not.
I don't see any reason to turn over the ISK, just dividend it out. I have no problem with the remaining assets being transfered to Benvie. It's a little to late to get this option into the vote, but I thought I would say something.
It's better then Quafe! |
Adrimar
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Posted - 2008.01.20 17:27:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Dr Slurm
I now have a vote in front of me asking if I want "to turn over assets to Benvie". The options being have Shar turn over Assets and ISK to Benvie or not.
I don't see any reason to turn over the ISK, just dividend it out. I have no problem with the remaining assets being transfered to Benvie. It's a little to late to get this option into the vote, but I thought I would say something.
I think the main issue is to get the burden off of Shar and to transfer it to Benvie. Benvie will sell the remaining assets, fill in the last blanks in the spreadsheets and then dividend the isk out and close down RDIR. I am sure Shar will keep an eye on things but this will free him from this to allow him to focus on himself, his health and his family.
If your problem is that you do not trust Benvie with all the isk, I am sure a caretaker can be found who can hold the isk, though I do not think that Benvie is a risk as he is making a tidy profit as it is.
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Adrimar
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Posted - 2008.01.20 17:32:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Taikun
Originally by: Omber Zombie
your sarcastic sympathy
I take great offence to that. One doesn't fool around with life threatening illness and any suggestion that my love for Shar Tegral in his hour of need is anything but genuine is simply hurtful.
A wise man should consider that health is the greatest of human blessings, and learn how by his own thought to derive benefit from his illnesses, and of those they love.
Excuse me for taking a opportunity in life to enrich myself, and a fellow gamer in need.
Taikun
The proper thing that you could have done is to be silent when you heard the news.
When a vindicative person starts gushing sympathy towards the person he attacks most people view it as a way to get one last shot in. Considering that my own opinion (and, I think that of most of the people who read this forum) is that you actually enjoy doing this to people, something that you have even confirmed once, I see this as another attempt to kick a man who has enough rl problems as it is.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.01.20 17:53:00 -
[45]
This is all very intense. Does the vote need an overall majority or can I abstain without affecting anyone?
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.20 17:57:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Dr Slurm
I now have a vote in front of me asking if I want "to turn over assets to Benvie". The options being have Shar turn over Assets and ISK to Benvie or not.
I don't see any reason to turn over the ISK, just dividend it out. I have no problem with the remaining assets being transfered to Benvie. It's a little to late to get this option into the vote, but I thought I would say something.
I trust both of them, but given the Shar's current health it probably makes more sense to vote in favour of turning over things to Benvie.
My research services
Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats |
Bouncer Ricdic
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Posted - 2008.01.20 18:18:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Bouncer Ricdic on 20/01/2008 18:23:18
Well the idea I had behind the vote was for Benvie to take control of the physical assets but leave the funds already raised in Shar's hands. I thought I had made this pretty clear. I am not comfortable with Benvie holding onto 30-50b at this point in time.
So a big no to Benvie taking all, and a yes to Benvie taking "only" the remaining unsold products. Benvie I request you only take the assets if this vote passes. It's easy for Shar to dividend out current isk compared to fighting the market to sell remaining stocks.
Frankly I think all isk on hand should have been dividended a month ago when it got there rather than sitting idle all this time.
I am not voting on either on the in-game vote as I dont like the way it's structured. 2 options:
1) Have Shar Tegral turn over assets and ISK to Benvie for liquidation
2) Do NOT Have Shar Tegral turn over any assets or isk
Option 1 requires both
Option 2 requires none
I would prefer another coupla options
3) Have Shar Tegral hand over only physical assets to Benvie (insert rough valuation here)
4) Have Shar Tegral hand over only physical assets to Benvie and dividend out all funds on hand.
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Fury Banker
Fury Bank Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.20 18:31:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Fury Banker on 20/01/2008 18:32:24
Originally by: Bouncer Ricdic
Edited by: Bouncer Ricdic on 20/01/2008 18:23:18
Well the idea I had behind the vote was for Benvie to take control of the physical assets but leave the funds already raised in Shar's hands. I thought I had made this pretty clear. I am not comfortable with Benvie holding onto 30-50b at this point in time.
So a big no to Benvie taking all, and a yes to Benvie taking "only" the remaining unsold products. Benvie I request you only take the assets if this vote passes. It's easy for Shar to dividend out current isk compared to fighting the market to sell remaining stocks.
Frankly I think all isk on hand should have been dividended a month ago when it got there rather than sitting idle all this time.
I am not voting on either on the in-game vote as I dont like the way it's structured. 2 options:
1) Have Shar Tegral turn over assets and ISK to Benvie for liquidation
2) Do NOT Have Shar Tegral turn over any assets or isk
Option 1 requires both
Option 2 requires none
I would prefer another coupla options
3) Have Shar Tegral hand over only physical assets to Benvie (insert rough valuation here)
4) Have Shar Tegral hand over only physical assets to Benvie and dividend out all funds on hand.
Totally agree with this.
The last thread about this I suggested dividending out cash on hand (up to a maximum amount invested plus the 5% compounded per month). That would leave the rest to have Benvie's cut taken out of. Buy-back could still be offered if desired - it would just be a cut of profits not of original investment then. Leaving the ISK sitting idle helps noone. Dividending it out above the level at which Benvie starts to get a cut is a bit dubious - so only dividend out up to that level, and it's then 100% guaranteed that there'd need be no claw-back to get Benvie's fair share.
Of the additional options listed by Ricdic, #4 is the one I'd vote for - unless Shar believes he is up to (and wants to) close it out himself.
EDIT: There's no way I'd vote for #1. A dividend facility exists - so there's absolutely no need to go passing the ISK around.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.20 18:32:00 -
[49]
I don't see why he can't be trusted with 30-50B, though I don't know him at all. He has started his own IPO and sold out, he is handling some billions there, I don't see any objections worthy of holding back any ISK.
ofc my opinion has no real merit as I am not a shareholder.
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Fury Banker
Fury Bank Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.20 18:34:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Trilori
I don't see why he can't be trusted with 30-50B, though I don't know him at all. He has started his own IPO and sold out, he is handling some billions there, I don't see any objections worthy of holding back any ISK.
ofc my opinion has no real merit as I am not a shareholder.
The issue isn't so much whether he can be trusted with it - it's why take the risk when the money can just be dividended out to those it legitimately belongs to.
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Lotto Money
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Posted - 2008.01.20 18:34:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Lotto Money on 20/01/2008 18:34:51
Unfortunately my ISP is being a pig and refusing to let me connect to Eve, so I can't vote no to #1 with my 6000 shares.
EDIT << Another alt of Fury Banker.
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Bouncer Ricdic
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Posted - 2008.01.20 18:44:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Trilori
I don't see why he can't be trusted with 30-50B, though I don't know him at all. He has started his own IPO and sold out, he is handling some billions there, I don't see any objections worthy of holding back any ISK.
When I invested in RDIR I done so because I knew risk was mitigated through Shar. I chose to invest based on my trust on both characters. When I invested in Benvie I done so based on the level of trust I held (ie isk value). If we give RDIR access to Benvie then in my opinion both of my investments become insta-high risk (not because Benvie is untrustworthy, but because I invested in Benvie under specific conditions. I chose my trust levels).
I completely agree with a vote for #4 listed above.
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.01.20 19:08:00 -
[53]
I didn't know what you meant Ricdic. I had no idea what condition Shar was in and had basically assumed the worst, and that best case scenario was him getting on for a few minutes and quickly transferring everything over. Since Shar is now able to get on the internet, I'd do whatever he wants to do. Whatever he wants, I don't really care what the method is, I just wanted to beat the deadline I set in my original proposal.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.20 21:33:00 -
[54]
We'll work around what ever choice the investors make, of that you can be assured. Benvie has a fresh report (with a huge freaking typo in it btw) in his mail box and for those who have had previous spreadsheets I can make copies available as well. Currently RDIR is in a 50/50 state. 50% liquid isk and 50% value of assets. The 50% valuation is at "Jita average prices" so take that for what it is worth.
In brief:
Sold off 7,734,907,790.99 isk of inventory.
Gained 18,356,832,167.93 isk in return.
Generated profit of 10,697,327,727.64.
Remaining inventory cost 20,388,513,766.62.
Speculated Jita Prices of remaining inventory: 39,184,023,263.31
So, the fund has done well, super even, before my sudden illness. Benvie's choices were 12/14 exactly perfect. The are two products that we've taken a about a billion loss on. Negligible in total compared to the overall gain.
I would feel extremely comfortable reporting this:
Current Nav: 58,902,250,302.40
Per Share Value: 1,963,408.34
"Be all you can be" is a motto even idiots and jerks live up to... all to often. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.20 21:40:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Current Nav: 58,902,250,302.40
Per Share Value: 1,963,408.34
I need to make a correction btw... Benvie's compensation is hard to pin down specifically as the very original ipo was going to based upon dividend output. When I got involved some of the ipo was changed but not properly considered and thought out. So the above NAV does not reflect Benvie's entitlement. /me begins opening up another spreadsheet. Benvie's Current Entitlement: 1,994,281,813.72 This entitlement is based purely upon completed sales and can be potentially higher as the inventory itself is converted to liquid isk. So, his entitlement has been averaging about 1 billion per 9 billion sold. So it would be a safe assumption that Benvie's further entitlement would be another 4 billion in total bringing us this correction: RDIR Nav: 52,902,250,302.40 Per Share Value: 1,763,408.34
"Be all you can be" is a motto even idiots and jerks live up to... all to often. |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:47:00 -
[56]
Holy crap, it actually has nearly reached the 100% margin some of us hoped for. Though it has taken a bit longer than I expected it is still doing very well.
Very nice predictions Benvie 
Tanking Setups Compared
Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained |
Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.01.20 23:04:00 -
[57]
I'm just happy that this investment has been worth it for my investors and that I didn't let anyone down.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.21 00:29:00 -
[58]
You may call me insane, many already do.
while I agree the risks are spread out between two actual persons/characters vs just one. Seeing as how well RDIR is doing, I don't see any reason to give Benvie any ISK as long as Shar is up to it :) (welcome back btw).
However, if worse case scenario came (which I highly doubt, but like to keep in mind) IMHO it would be safe to give Benvie full jurisdiction, if RDIR didn't deliver as expected then I could see plenty of other reasons not to do so regardless of risks.
Congrats to you, shar and investors as well as RDIR :) Remember my comments have no merits I am not an investor in this one.
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.01.21 00:50:00 -
[59]
The only reason to give me anything is if Shar wants me to finish up the liquidation. The only reason I put that vote up was because I thought Shar was out of commission.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.21 01:22:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Benvie
The only reason to give me anything is if Shar wants me to finish up the liquidation. The only reason I put that vote up was because I thought Shar was out of commission.
Mate, you know me well enough by now to know that I find no offense in your actions. My situation is only marginally relevant to the operation of RDIR. If my situation hinders it, like it has from some of the data, then the fair thing to do is to attempt to move around me. Knowing that I've been ill is far more comforting than if I had just absconded, yes I know no one seriously thought that, or if I had simply died. (Finally got your e-mail Taikun, the one titled "Are you dead yet?" So classy... ...) But personal situations are for when you are interacting on a personal level. That is not the general bend of this forum nor is it with the operation of RDIR. My shame is that I didn't give you my home phone or my wife's email address. (She somehow religiously forgets my passwords stating that they are too complicated to remember.) I don't fault my "other" partners for keeping mum during this time but loose lips sink ships is not just a motto in eve.... it's a zen thing. As to the overall image of RDIR... I do a lot of work for it. Grunt work mind you. There is some think work as well but 90% of the thinking was, and still is, Benvie's. I'm a glorified monkey here how went awol. The fact that I hold all the assets does not make this my project. It is Benvie's, genius credit is his just as credit for grunt work is mine. Essentially, as someone put it earlier in the thread, force majeure entered the equation. The vote to have me removed as "unreliable/unavailable" is an appropriate response and I find no offense of any kind. In fact I've done it to others in the past myself. And yes, I'm feeling much better now. Loads.
"Be all you can be" is a motto even idiots and jerks live up to... all to often. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.01.21 01:27:00 -
[61]
Almost completely unrelated, but in case you're somewhat interested, I am almost finished liquidating my own (much smaller) similar investment of "post-patch price exploitation".
My purchases were mostly made in september and some in early october, and if I am not mistaking, I will have had collected a little over 220% profit (*3.2 income vs purchase cost) liquidating the stocks.
So, that's 55% per month. Not bad for just 3 buy order types, I guess 
1|2|3|4|5. |
Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.21 01:31:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
And yes, I'm feeling much better now. Loads.[/justify]
Must have been all the praying I have been doing for you.
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.01.21 01:44:00 -
[63]
Taikun, even if your well-wishes and prayers would be heart-felt and completely genuine, I suppose even you could see why they would not be taken as such after your previous series of statements... more likely, they would be taken as some sort of morbid sarcasm, and to be completely honest, there's not much you could say or do right now to come off differently.
So, the smart choice here would be to withdraw.
Before it gets even uglier.
Seriously.
1|2|3|4|5. |
Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.21 01:58:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Akita T
Taikun, even if your well-wishes and prayers would be heart-felt and completely genuine, I suppose even you could see why they would not be taken as such after your previous series of statements... more likely, they would be taken as some sort of morbid sarcasm, and to be completely honest, there's not much you could say or do right now to come off differently.
So, the smart choice here would be to withdraw.
Before it gets even uglier.
Seriously.
Before it gets uglier? Is that a threat?
Bless you Akita T! You gave me a good chuckle! Are you too praying for Shar Tegrals improved health?
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.01.21 02:16:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Akita T on 21/01/2008 02:17:33
Ugly. As in, not pretty. As in, flame wars and subsequent moderation, thread closure and such.
You know, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, not a... err... threat.
As for praying, nope, I don't pray, I'm an agnostic.
Wishing well ? No point. Wishes don't make it better.
Yes, I'm also a cynic. Sue me.
1|2|3|4|5. |
Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.21 02:24:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Akita T
You know, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar,
Yes. Yes they are, and I thank you for your kind words.
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:15:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Akita T
My purchases were mostly made in september and some in early october, and if I am not mistaking, I will have had collected a little over 220% profit (*3.2 income vs purchase cost) liquidating the stocks.
Timing was everything on this project. If you'll recall I even pointed out that the window of opportunity was closing as we moved. I'm pretty sure that the interest in the ipo also caused others to move as well. It'll be one of them things to speculate about for time to come.
"Be all you can be" is a motto even idiots and jerks live up to... all to often. |
Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:33:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Taikun on 21/01/2008 14:34:58
Any estimated time for complete wrap up of this business venture?
Also, is there any truth to the rumour that you intend to take a step back until completely recovered, if not quit EvE completly?
Originally by: Shar Tegral
to drive someone out of this game
Your prior statement has raised questions. Should we keep checking your news site www.eveguardian.net for breaking news and updates?
EDIT: Whoops, my bad it seems to be offline. I grabbed it out of your bio. My bad. I did enjoy reading the cached articles via google tho.
Thanks,
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:41:00 -
[69]
This personal grudge thing you got going on is really... boring.
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I need new voices in my head,
To speak my secret evils with.
I need new lovers in my bed,
To be my friends and special pets. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:49:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Taikun
Your prior statement has raised questions. Should we keep checking your news site www.eveguardian.net for breaking news and updates?
EDIT: Whoops, my bad it seems to be offline. I grabbed it out of your bio. My bad. I did enjoy reading the cached articles via google tho.
You are a real bunghole you know that? Wrangler shut you down before when you brought up this topic. Let me clarify something for you: You will receive zero substantive answers from me, ever. And yes, I tire of your ceaseless war against me. Who wouldn't? But I can't stop you from piping in but I will ignore you. If need be I'll just ignore all non-investor questions on this forum or even limit my discussion to simple press releases as I, or Benvie, deem appropriate and nothing else. Don't mistake previous responses to you as some sort of admission of your importance or value. It's just called manners. Something that can be applied or removed at will or case by case.
"Be all you can be" is a motto even idiots and jerks live up to... all to often. |
Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:49:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
This personal grudge thing you got going on is really... boring.
^^this^^
I also find the delivery of his honey soaked bovine scatology boring.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:52:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Taikun
Originally by: Shar Tegral
to drive someone out of this game
Your prior statement has raised some concerns.
Also, I should point out why you have so little credibility. There isn't a post of yours that you don't make that you don't edit again later. You put in inflammatory material to troll people and then you edit it out hopefully before a moderator sees it. That report link is coming in handy as your original post is already reported. It is a total shame that lifetime bans are gone though. Is that the reason you dislike me so much? That I stand by what I say and you never stand by what you first said... or even intended to stand by it when it came flying out of your mouth?
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Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 21/01/2008 14:59:24
Actually I editied it out because I noticed afterwords you have taken that site offline.
Since I have a direct link to your /shar_tegral directory on the server you host the site on via google I had completely forgot it was "offline". So I editied out the irrelevent text of my post. Don't look too deeply into my communications. It will make you ill.
Warm regards,
Taikun
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.21 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
Actually I editied it out because I noticed afterwords you have taken that site offline.
Since I have a direct link to your /shar_tegral directory on the server you host the site on via google I had completely forgot it was "offline". So I editied out the irrelevent text of my post. Don't look too deeply into my communications. It will make you ill.
Warm regards,
Taikun
your point was made back in your first post in this thread, you now have my permission to stop posting to this thread. You even have my permission to stop posting all together.
The absence of your taint would be a most welcome upgrade to these forums.
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Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.21 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Is that the reason you dislike me so much?
Irrelevent to the discussion.
Until such a time I am no longer to have discourse in these forusm I reserve the right to post relevent, pertainate questions to anyone. Just so long as they are respectful, on topic and within the forum rules.
I ask nothing more of you than to keep to the same guidelines. We should all be able to enjoy a civil discourse shouldn't we?
Here is hoping,
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.21 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
Irrelevent to the discussion.
Until such a time I am no longer to have discourse in these forums I reserve the right to post relevent, pertainate questions to anyone. Just so long as they are respectful, on topic and within the forum rules.
I ask nothing more of you than to keep to the same guidelines. We should all be able to enjoy a civil discourse shouldn't we?
EDIT: "Please stick to the topic at hand and not allow yourself to be diverted to attacks on personal integrity." I believe THIS was covered off in the very first page. I quite assure you refering to me as a "bunghole" does not meet muster in my books. 
If you don't want to answer my questions relevent to the thread we are in, that is you decision. However, I do have the right to ask them.
Taikun
What's irrelevant to the discussion is you.
As it's a fair guess that you don't have any ISK in this, then scamper off. We investors can quite well handle any issues we might have without you.
Your idiotic postings designed to get a reaction just so you can report it and claim victim really are pathetic, annoying, and just unnecessary.
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Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2008.01.21 16:49:00 -
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^This.
We, the investors, are fully capable of handling this ourselves Taikun. We do not need or even want your "help" which is, in fact, nothing but an attempt to attack Shar.
As the whole project will, if the current projections hold true, reap me over 25% return per month on my investment I am very happy with the way my investment is turning out. My worry was and still is focused more on the health of Shar than on the exact date that I get my payout.
As for how it should be handled: I am ambivalent on this. I trust Benvie to handle the amount of isk both due to the contact I have had with him, the fact that if he handles it well he will walk away with a multi-billion isk paycheck and the boost to his reputation that will accompany it.
On the other hand the easiest way is probably to give Benvie the inventory and let him sell it while transfering the isk back to Shar's account as the items sell. With a full API key Shar could monitor everything while not having to do the grunt work he has had to do now. If this is still to risky for some of the investors, how about a phased transfer of inventory every few days?
For the record: I vote for Benvie getting it all and wrapping it all up while Shar monitors by way of the API.
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Jon Sanng
Minmatar
Conducti
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Posted - 2008.01.30 02:49:00 -
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So this vote passed a week ago, any update?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.30 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Sanng
So this vote passed a week ago, any update?
I don't know the results of the vote. Actually I can't know the results of the vote as my "shares" are held in trust. However, barring the outcome, I've made up some lost time, liquidation proceeds at a fair pace. It could proceed faster but it would likely become a race between the market's ability to absorb product and profit crash. I'm trying to maintain the balance on this but... ... well it is a lot of stuff. |
Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.01.30 03:05:00 -
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I haven't followed through with the vote because it seemed like Shar was back in action and he didn't say he wanted or needed me to take over the liquidation.
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Dohkar
Amarr
Statler and Waldorf LLC
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Posted - 2008.01.30 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
...liquidation proceeds at a fair pace. It could proceed faster but it would likely become a race between the market's ability to absorb product and profit crash.
I'm trying to maintain the balance on this but... ... well it is a lot of stuff.
Glad to hear things are back on track - (and please don't flood the market! I can wait...)
Based on the current pace, are you able to calculate any kind of ETA? Just curious if it looks like it will be a couple days or a couple weeks. (or more?)
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.01.30 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dohkar
Based on the current pace, are you able to calculate any kind of ETA? Just curious if it looks like it will be a couple days or a couple weeks. (or more?)
It would be pure speculation on my part. Sometimes nothing moves for 24h and I start asking myself did I do something wrong or am I doing enough. Then stuff starts flying like there's no tomorrow and I start asking myself if the market has swung and I am the last to know it. Believe this, I want this concluded as well. |
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