Originally by: Shwedagon Paya

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I think it's a good thing that it doesn't take two weeks to replace your ship now.

That's what kept a lot of people from playing the game. 95% chores to 5% fun isn't a ratio most people are willing to tolerate.

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Originally by: Shwedagon Paya

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I think it's a good thing that it doesn't take two weeks to replace your ship now.

That's what kept a lot of people from playing the game. 95% chores to 5% fun isn't a ratio most people are willing to tolerate.

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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p.s. maybe you should fiund a random noob in a high sec area and just give him your character

just really freak him out.

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Originally by: Shwedagon Paya

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I think it's a good thing that it doesn't take two weeks to replace your ship now.

That's what kept a lot of people from playing the game. 95% chores to 5% fun isn't a ratio most people are willing to tolerate.

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Originally by: Elles D

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If you really think that then the entire premise is lost on you.

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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Don't tell me you are leaving us now? I have just joined the game.

Kind of the suck. Anyway, hope you can find a better pwning game. Good luck.

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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Don't tell me you are leaving us now? I have just joined the game.

Kind of the suck. Anyway, hope you can find a better pwning game. Good luck.

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Originally by: Shwedagon Paya

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I think it's a good thing that it doesn't take two weeks to replace your ship now.

That's what kept a lot of people from playing the game. 95% chores to 5% fun isn't a ratio most people are willing to tolerate.

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Originally by: ashland

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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Don't tell me you are leaving us now? I have just joined the game.

Kind of the suck. Anyway, hope you can find a better pwning game. Good luck.

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Just joined?? as far as I know youve been a forum ***** for like ever!!

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Originally by: Shwedagon Paya

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Originally by: Elles D

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If you really think that then the entire premise is lost on you.

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No, I understand it, I just think it's idiotic.

If doing repetitive **** for two weeks every time you lose a fight is your idea of a good time, you can still do it today. Buy yourself a CNR or Navy Mega, fit it with faction and officer modules, throw some expensive rigs on there, and you're guaranteed to lose it sooner or later.

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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ashland, I just started in December 07

I just got lucky and some leaver gave me this character. Maybe you could also try to make a newb happy by going to some high secs and find someone in a rookie ship mining concentrated veldspar. Talk and get to know the player and transfer your character to the player. Make a newb happy

Oh I see, MotherMoon. Thank God CCP has new players joining from time to time to buff up players leaving because of boredom. It is all good for us because Eve never dies.

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Originally by: ashland

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....booo....whine...booo....in the good old days we mined three weeks for a bs.....whine...everyone has a cap ship....whine...

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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ashland, I just started in December 07

I just got lucky and some leaver gave me this character. Maybe you could also try to make a newb happy by going to some high secs and find someone in a rookie ship mining concentrated veldspar. Talk and get to know the player and transfer your character to the player. Make a newb happy

Oh I see, MotherMoon. Thank God CCP has new players joining from time to time to buff up players leaving because of boredom. It is all good for us because Eve never dies.

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Originally by: ashland

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Originally by: ashland
....booo....whine...booo....in the good old days we mined three weeks for a bs.....whine...everyone has a cap ship....whine...



(a) You are whining a lot.
(b) Low-sec is not dead.
(c) If the place you're at sucks due to blobbage, move to greener pastures.
(d) ISK buying (and GTC selling, a legal and much safer alternative) exists in practically every game with more then 10K players.


OMG the word H&I&T&L&E&R is banned???????????????
(e) CCP has improved this game over time. Every patch I saw since I joined has made things better on average, not worse.
(f) The progression of the economy is not so much CCP's devising (although, L4 high-sec missions partially are), it's the player-base getting richer and therefore more effective.
(e) You're being overly nostalgic. Nostalgia is fine, but be objective, seriously.

Well after 5 attempts to quote you ( yeh good one CCP) Iv done it like this! So where do you work in CCP? pubic relations?? and so if selling in other games exists its ok to be in this one??? hmmm so you think ****** wasnt all bad?

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Originally by: Shwedagon Paya

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I think it's a good thing that it doesn't take two weeks to replace your ship now.

That's what kept a lot of people from playing the game. 95% chores to 5% fun isn't a ratio most people are willing to tolerate.

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Originally by: Skaz

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I actually understand the OPs sentiment and reasons for leaving us. He's not making anything up. ISK sellers are more common than ever, low sec is in a midlife crisis, High sec is incredibly profitable but crawling with suicide gankers and 0.0 belongs to the large alliances.

But so long and farewell

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Originally by: Shwedagon Paya

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Originally by: Elles D

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If you really think that then the entire premise is lost on you.

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No, I understand it, I just think it's idiotic.

If doing repetitive **** for two weeks every time you lose a fight is your idea of a good time, you can still do it today. Buy yourself a CNR or Navy Mega, fit it with faction and officer modules, throw some expensive rigs on there, and you're guaranteed to lose it sooner or later.

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When I started it would take 12 of us about 2 weeks to raise enough money to purchase a Battle ship

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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but yeah everyone I kill I'm 100% sure it's not a loss to them anymore.

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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I am thinking if progression means old players are unhappy but the game could be better like in-station or ship boarding 3d combat, it would be worth it that old players would one day become a minority and CCP could improve the game so much because majority who are newb would have very rich gaming experience.

etc

I'll say it is all win for all of us in the future. If one day, I could get in-station combat like boarding parties, I would be so happy with the game. It is going to be ecstatically fun.

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Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS

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Err you do realise OP that most of the CCP members were in Goonswarm.

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Originally by: Wu Jiun

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I play about 2 years and for me and my platime a lost battleship means about 0.5-1 week of grinding and resorting to fly a tech1 cruiser or make no pvp at all. That does hurt.

Lowsec isn't dead either. As far as i remember a recent devblog shed some light on the population. And lowsec isn't deserted at least not if you compare it to 0.0. And comparing it to hisec would be stupid.

But well its still good to see you go. hf

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Originally by: Burkmat

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Originally by: Shwedagon Paya

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Originally by: Elles D

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If you really think that then the entire premise is lost on you.

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No, I understand it, I just think it's idiotic.

If doing repetitive **** for two weeks every time you lose a fight is your idea of a good time, you can still do it today. Buy yourself a CNR or Navy Mega, fit it with faction and officer modules, throw some expensive rigs on there, and you're guaranteed to lose it sooner or later.

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...and then you just have to convince every single other person in the game to do the same and you've got it right.

Insurance pays out way too much. Recently lost a full t2/best named fitted (speshal for me because it's the first full t2/best named ship I've ever lost ^^) Typhoon.

Total loss after insurance paid out: Roughly 20mil. That's absolutely nothing.

Suggestion: Remove insurance or at least nerf it abit. I buy a Phoon for 60mil, 22.5 for insurance, and it pays out 75mil. That means that losing a ship which is supposed to be at least a littlebit expensive I get a total loss of no more than 10mil.

Make a loss sting abit. From being a Director of my corporation (and hence talking to people alot about stupid losses), people don't give a flying **** if they lose 10 Battleships / Day (*waves at Rev*), they still make more ISK than they lose if they just use 1 of those BSs to rat for less than an hour.

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Originally by: Ernesto Hoost

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Originally by: Wu Jiun

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I play about 2 years and for me and my platime a lost battleship means about 0.5-1 week of grinding and resorting to fly a tech1 cruiser or make no pvp at all. That does hurt.

Lowsec isn't dead either. As far as i remember a recent devblog shed some light on the population. And lowsec isn't deserted at least not if you compare it to 0.0. And comparing it to hisec would be stupid.

But well its still good to see you go. hf

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The trick is to always have a BS. That way when you lose your pvp ship, it will take you about 1 day or 4 level 4's to make 100mil. If you have access to 0.0 ratting, its even faster. Just always have a npc fitted BS safe somewhere, and name it "isk maker"

Making 100mil in cruiser would be tough work.

@the OP low sec is thriving btw, I love to hunt for piwat camps to bust with my main and friends. Recently, I have found lots of camps, and today for a change there were too many of them. Only killed a BS before having to de-aggress and bail. If you can't find something to shoot in low sec, you not trying hard enough.

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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ashland, I just started in December 07

I just got lucky and some leaver gave me this character.

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Originally by: Dirk Magnum

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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 20/01/2008 02:06:12
I don't think they need to reduce the total potential insurance payout, not even in cases of ships that insure extremely well (Thorax, Typhoon, and a few others.) What they do need to do is change the methodology behind how that insurance is paid out.

Like, change it thus:
* Lose a ship to an NPC? You get 50% of whatever insurance class you have.
* Lose a ship in Low Sec PvP? You get 50% if you started the fight, 75% if you didn't (why should the insurance company pay off the full amount to someone who took the risk of going into low sec, hmm?)
* Lose a ship to a suicide ganker in high sec? You get 100%
* Lose a ship because you ARE a suicide ganker in high sec? You get nothing.
* Lose a ship in a declared war? You get 50% or something.

Just a thought on the insurance issues raised in this thread. To summarize the system I laid out above, it penalizes the players who routinely engage in risky behavior, such as mission running or PvP.

edit: hell I could even support a system that pays off even less, especially for victims of war-related gankage. Another thing to consider is the complete removal of all insurance payouts for losses suffered in 0.0. If CCP wanted to go a step beyond THAT, they could create a system where alliances could have the option of footing the bill for insurance payouts in 0.0. Forcing alliances to manage their own insurance program would only add to the things to do in the sandbox after all.

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Originally by: Everyone Dies

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so long loser.

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Originally by: Dirk Magnum

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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 20/01/2008 02:06:12
I don't think they need to reduce the total potential insurance payout, not even in cases of ships that insure extremely well (Thorax, Typhoon, and a few others.) What they do need to do is change the methodology behind how that insurance is paid out.

Like, change it thus:
* Lose a ship to an NPC? You get 50% of whatever insurance class you have.
* Lose a ship in Low Sec PvP? You get 50% if you started the fight, 75% if you didn't (why should the insurance company pay off the full amount to someone who took the risk of going into low sec, hmm?)
* Lose a ship to a suicide ganker in high sec? You get 100%
* Lose a ship because you ARE a suicide ganker in high sec? You get nothing.
* Lose a ship in a declared war? You get 50% or something.

Just a thought on the insurance issues raised in this thread. To summarize the system I laid out above, it penalizes the players who routinely engage in risky behavior, such as mission running or PvP.

edit: hell I could even support a system that pays off even less, especially for victims of war-related gankage. Another thing to consider is the complete removal of all insurance payouts for losses suffered in 0.0. If CCP wanted to go a step beyond THAT, they could create a system where alliances could have the option of footing the bill for insurance payouts in 0.0. Forcing alliances to manage their own insurance program would only add to the things to do in the sandbox after all.

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Originally by: ashland

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So when you killed one the threats you received were real( and bless eve they were good).

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Originally by: Zeoliter

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The stench that was BOB is here sh!tting in your thread.

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Originally by: ashland

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Ladies and Gentlemen,

This June I would have been a player of five years, But thats not going to happen. I ( My Main) started as a miner, but soon realised the thrill of being a pirate. So I spent 4 years being one mainly based in Ami. For the loss of about 20 Battle Ships I killed around 2000 - 3000 players ships and pods.

When I started it would take 12 of us about 2 weeks to raise enough money to purchase a Battle ship. So when you killed one the threats you received were real( and bless eve they were good). Not the case now I arrive at a system now and am constantly greated with a request to buy isk! So many people now are able to buy capital ships because of this,dont fly it if you cant afford to lose it means nothing!.

This game is the titanic of multi player games but I suggest it has struck the iceberg and give it 3 years before it sinks.

The stench thats was BOB is slowly fading but the cheating memory they leave stays with this game, and the CCP that supported them I can only wonder who they have joined now.

Low sec is dead, 0.0 is the place to make isk in an alliance, high sec is or the real isk making for carebears.

CCP originally made the game how they saw it but now they mearly buckle to the masses, because they spend the money, makes for great profit but a lousy game.

I salute you, have enjoyed my time greatly and now soon look to the next game.

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Originally by: Mangala Solaris

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EVE really doesnt have set goals, its a freeform sandbox - yes a sandbox with kids that occasionally take a dump in it, but a sandbox never the less.

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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You're a pirate in a corp called universal peace corp?

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Originally by: Mr Friendly

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oh hai guys

I salute me and my time in game....I'm awesome and I rock. I'm keeping all my stuff and I'm still playing. Oh and I COULD NOT CARE LESS ABOUT YET ANOTHER 'OLD PLAYER' LEAVING FOR ANOTHER GAME.

GET STUFFED.

Apparently people think the rest of Eve should care when some nerd decides to spend his time fapping to another tune.

W/E, fat boy. You're still not cool, still a virgin and you have few chances in sight. Unless you pay....

bye chubby

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Originally by: ISD Santiago Cortes

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*Locked*

GO straight to the hospital, do not pass GO, do not collect $200.

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Originally by: Keta Min

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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You're a pirate in a corp called universal peace corp?

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Death is universal peace

Originally by: Mr Friendly

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oh hai guys

I salute me and my time in game....I'm awesome and I rock. I'm keeping all my stuff and I'm still playing. Oh and I COULD NOT CARE LESS ABOUT YET ANOTHER 'OLD PLAYER' LEAVING FOR ANOTHER GAME.

GET STUFFED.

Apparently people think the rest of Eve should care when some nerd decides to spend his time fapping to another tune.

W/E, fat boy. You're still not cool, still a virgin and you have few chances in sight. Unless you pay....

bye chubby

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the person you are so skillessly flaming with your internet assumptions is married and has a family

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Originally by: ISD Santiago Cortes

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*Locked*

GO straight to the hospital, do not pass GO, do not collect $200.

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