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Spaceman Jack
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Posted - 2008.01.20 19:44:00 -
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So we have a fine specialist Dr. analyzing the economics of EVE and consulting ways of making it better more efficient, or more realistic. (Arguably this shows the legitimacy of the much antagonized CareBears).
How about PVP and Empire builders?
Considering another colossal aspect of EVE is Militaristic and Political (PVP), would it not make sense to have a specialist in politics or military strategy (or one of each).
This person could help analyze and write reports in shifts in political power, loss/gain of systems & sovereignty, major battles and other military operations/campaigns.
This person could also help CCP in creating new weapons ans ship/types.
As it stands we are WAAAAAAAYYYY overspecialized in ship role types, some of them are simply not effective or used.
Even if they stay out of development, the reports would be cool as hell I applied as the economist has been.
Thoughts?
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Kiiikoooloool
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Posted - 2008.01.20 19:45:00 -
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+1 military concultant
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Jei'son Bladesmith
The Storm Knights
The Cool Kids Club
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Posted - 2008.01.20 19:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Spaceman Jack
Even if they stay out of development, the reports would be cool as hell I applied as the economist has been.
true dat.
I wouldn't mind seeing an official-looking (possibly quasi-fiction) "after-action report" of some of my favorite ships (I have no idea what form it would take, I just think it sounds cool).
Also maybe like a "tactical capabilities analysis" of various ships (basically a more standardized, in-depth guide to fitting, not just what to fit but an explanation of WHY - mostly aimed at newer players, although this is something veteran players are prolly more qualified to do)
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CynWulf
The Hellfire Club
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Posted - 2008.01.20 20:08:00 -
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but at what cost, $$$ wise that is, Gearbox has a Retired US Army 2 star General as a consultant, He's also penned the novel that is coming out with Hell's Highway incidentaly (illustrated by my friend Don Moore I might add, god I'm just so awsome with contacts did I mention I have the printed copy of the Novel Synopsis, anyway as I was saying). But GB is also a great deal larger than CCP (in terms of Franchise)> also what can a military consultant offer a spaceship game? tactics? tactics in space bare no resmeblance to tactics on water or land for that matter. Fleet make up and ship load out are mission dependant (METT-L for you military types). to many variables for one individual to factor in.
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.01.20 20:11:00 -
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Do we need external expertise? CAOD is full of "experts"...
Seriously, though. Dr. Eyegouge (sorry, Dr., can't remember how to spell your name) has it relatively easy. He can pull the raw economic data from the database. If CCP got a political pundit, he'd have to get his political information from somewhere. You could argue that it's the same situation in the real world, but I reckon that political hacks tend to borrow a lot from each other, and from established experts. In EvE, the political correspondent would have to rely solely on guile, cunning and alliance spokesclones. Then CAOD would fill up with whines that the "official" CCP political report didn't accurately reflect what was going on in the depths of 0.0.
I'd still like to see something like it, though. 's a good idea.
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Skaz
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.20 20:15:00 -
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I'd actually like to see a Sociologist or a psychologist there. The behavior of people who can do stuff under anonymity such as killing, scamming, griefing and etc. Behavior that the same people wouldn't dream about displaying in RL at ALL.
Patterns of behavior and the analysis of it would benefit the Devs a lot.
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Spaceman Jack
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Posted - 2008.01.20 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: CynWulf
But GB is also a great deal larger than CCP (in terms of Franchise)> also what can a military consultant offer a spaceship game? tactics? tactics in space bare no resmeblance to tactics on water or land for that matter. Fleet make up and ship load out are mission dependant (METT-L for you military types). to many variables for one individual to factor in.
Well, I disagree. Politics have been the same for the beginning of history.
Analyzing political shifts is the same
And no matter where you fight, there are always way to DO and NOT to do things. Like overspecialization.
And regardless of what tyoe of technology you are using to fight, you can always analyze that as well.
Sure space has no relation to land, but land has no relation to sea and neither are similar to air, so I dont get why a space game could not benefit from it.. war is war no matter where you fight it and the technology has already been develped in game. Arrow or laser beam, its all the same.
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Torquemanda Corteaz
Gallente
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.01.20 20:18:00 -
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yes we need a military specialist, someone who knows fleet warfare and ship to ship combat.
So, we need someone from the 16-1800s  duke of wellington's snuffed it, who else could we ask?
don't be daft
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Kiiikoooloool
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Posted - 2008.01.20 20:21:00 -
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Ccp should hire Harrison Ford
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2008.01.20 20:28:00 -
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An officially hired military scientist would greatly benefit game balance and new ship and module introductions because certain types of warfare could be nurtured instead of blob vs blob.
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Corstaad
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Posted - 2008.01.20 20:40:00 -
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Just alittle FYI war isn't a game but EvE is.
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Orb Lati
Minmatar
Cold-Fury
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.20 20:42:00 -
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The trouble with this suggestion is that an economic analysis has hard data to base a report on.
Can you imagine asking a Phd in political sciences to read page after page of goon spam from COAD and then ask him to come back with Political Situation Report. It just cant be done.
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2008.01.20 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Orb Lati
The trouble with this suggestion is that an economic analysis has hard data to base a report on.
Can you imagine asking a Phd in political sciences to read page after page of goon spam from COAD and then ask him to come back with Political Situation Report. It just cant be done.
It could most certainly be done but no educated and informed political analyst is going to want to sit and read 30 pages of the goons going "fofofofofofofofofofofo" with 20 pages of Roadkill saying "we brake for nobody!!!!" mixed with 50 pages of "waaaagghhh login traps" and "hahahaha pwned" along with "check our killboards out they are better than yours!!"
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Ralara
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Posted - 2008.01.20 21:39:00 -
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we need General John P. Jumper - the US Air Force Chief of Staff. He's guest stared on Stargate SG1 before... why not work for Eve Online?
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BoBoZoBo
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:26:00 -
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This would be cool as hell.
All 4 it.
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djenghis jan
Amarr
Debiloff's Vanguard
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:30:00 -
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I think a navy guy would be great since EVE is a navy game rather than a space game.
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:31:00 -
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Fleet Tactics and Coastal Combat, by Wayne Hughes.
Contains concepts that you should take to heart, and are applicable in game.
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar
Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:33:00 -
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it would be cool but as all info in eve is politically sensitive to some greater or lesser extent it is a minefield
even articles about the fall of an alliance, which could be thought as being innocent as it is now gone, will cast some sort of light on everyone in that alliance especially the leadership (there are some terrible dead alliances out there just sayin')
any political or military correspondent would constantly be accused of bias by everyone and their credibility would be undermined
it would be hilarious and awesome though
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Richard Phallus
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:34:00 -
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/signed for military consultant idea
Nomination:
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, USMC,
"If you ladies leave my island, if you survive recruit training, you will buff Amarr."
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Phallus
/signed for military consultant idea
Nomination:
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, USMC,
"If you ladies leave my island, if you survive recruit training, you will buff Amarr."
No, you need someone familiar with fleet tactics and naval warfare.
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Singularity.
Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:40:00 -
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As long as the military specialist has been to another galaxy and knows how space warfare works.
Im with that guy up there ^^^
"dont be daft"
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Richard Phallus
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Richard Phallus on 21/01/2008 14:42:38
Originally by: Agent Li
No, you need someone familiar with fleet tactics and naval warfare.
The possibilities are just endless though, CCP's office terrorized by a drill sergeant.
"Oh that's right, you stupid code monkey, don't make any ******* effort to fix the old bugs. If God would have wanted those bugs fixed he would have miracled those bug reps closed by now, wouldn't he? "
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Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey
YouWhat
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li
Originally by: Richard Phallus
/signed for military consultant idea
Nomination:
[pic of the guy]
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, USMC,
"If you ladies leave my island, if you survive recruit training, you will buff Amarr."
No, you need someone familiar with fleet tactics and naval warfare.
I think you might have missed the joke, or purposely ignored it I cant tell 
Neways. I like the idea in theory, but given the number of armchair generals this lil community seems to have; coupled with how easily some ppl get worked up when things are presented slightly inaccuratly or unflattering, its probably best not done.
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BoBoZoBo
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.01.21 15:08:00 -
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We use to have armchair economists... now with the new good doctor.. we hear fewer people making assumptions and claiming they have the answer.
Maybe a political or military counterpart would be cool.
I agree that they could use some help in fleet warfare. Way too many ship classes. This alone shows a lack of a tactical mindset. Coming from a naval background myself, I can say that i don't think it is necessary for the consultant to be experienced in space ships to be effective here.
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.21 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: BoBoZoBo
We use to have armchair economists... now with the new good doctor.. we hear fewer people making assumptions and claiming they have the answer.
Maybe a political or military counterpart would be cool.
I agree that they could use some help in fleet warfare. Way too many ship classes. This alone shows a lack of a tactical mindset. Coming from a naval background myself, I can say that i don't think it is necessary for the consultant to be experienced in space ships to be effective here.
A little lesson on the Boyd Cycle (or Lawson Cycle) and analyzing how you can shorten the cycle in fleet combat would be a good start...
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar
Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2008.01.21 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: BoBoZoBo
We use to have armchair economists... now with the new good doctor.. we hear fewer people making assumptions and claiming they have the answer.
Maybe a political or military counterpart would be cool.
I agree that they could use some help in fleet warfare. Way too many ship classes. This alone shows a lack of a tactical mindset. Coming from a naval background myself, I can say that i don't think it is necessary for the consultant to be experienced in space ships to be effective here.
right they have several choices:
1) analysist uses non-publically available data and publishes public analysis thereby affecting the future of 0.0, i mean this sounds fun but y'know might get a few objections
2) analysist uses publically available data and publishes public analysis thereby not really being able to gain any special insight
3) analysist uses non-public data and publishes non-public analysis which may be useful and awesome but we'll never know about it
i know internet spaceships are serious business and all but which is the least worse choice i don't have a clue
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.01.21 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Torquemanda Corteaz
yes we need a military specialist, someone who knows fleet warfare and ship to ship combat.
So, we need someone from the 16-1800s duke of wellington's snuffed it, who else could we ask?
don't be daft
The Duke of Wellington was a bit of a noob regarding fleet warfare and ship-to-ship combat, seeing as how he was an army man 
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2008.01.21 15:33:00 -
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Im ex RN (Warfare Officer) and ex Army (Mechanized Infantry). I'll do it!
C.
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.21 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
Im ex RN (Warfare Officer) and ex Army (Mechanized Infantry). I'll do it!
C.
I'm also ex-Navy (Engineering Officer) and ex-Army (Light Infantry Officer), and I work as a defense consultant to the Defense Department...
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2008.01.21 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Skaz
I'd actually like to see a Sociologist or a psychologist there. The behavior of people who can do stuff under anonymity such as killing, scamming, griefing and etc. Behavior that the same people wouldn't dream about displaying in RL at ALL.
Patterns of behavior and the analysis of it would benefit the Devs a lot.
I'm amazed we don't have a group of psychology/sociology majors using this game as a test lab already. Problem is getting good data and not just many anecdotes. But seriously, the ability to test what happens when the powers that be say 'nothing (except exploits and ISK buying) is forbidden, everything is allowed' and mean that LITERALLY, you'd think sociologists would be beating on our doors.
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