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Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.01.20 20:43:00 - [1] I just wanna get the game rules clear on this so it doesn't bite me in the ass. Let's say another Eve player willingly gave me his account password. Would it be considered a violation of EULA to log onto his account and jack his stuff? The way it reads, I'm guessing that once someone gives me their account password willingly, they're pretty much trusting me to whatever's in there. To quote: Originally by: CCP EULA You are responsible and liable for all activities conducted through your Account, regardless of who conducts those activities. There's also the more concise passage stating... Originally by: CCP EULA You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. But, again, this doesn't address my question - aside from the generic admonishment against sharing accounts (which is pretty much a unenforcable joke and ignored by all of Eve Online) there's really not much clarity on this subject. tl;dr: if I log on to someone's account, with the password they themselves gave me of their own volition, and rob them blind... will I be banned?
Ask Unbeatable Tenacious Danes	Posted - 2008.01.20 20:45:00 - [2]
Hebik Fane Havoc Inc Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.20 20:46:00 - [3] Account sharing is against the EULA and you would get in trouble, possibly banned. At least that was the outcome when it happened in our corp. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2008.01.20 20:49:00 - [4] I would be more interested if said hypothetical person would read this thread then quickly change their password so you cant rob them blind? As for the EULA thing, either you wont get in trouble, or you will get in trouble but for having shared their account nor robbing them. This being of course hypothetical, not something your actually in the process of doing
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.01.20 20:49:00 - [5] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu tl;dr: if I log on to someone's account, with the password they themselves gave me of their own volition, and rob them blind... will I be banned? Yes but not for robbing them blind...for the account sharing I'm not sure what would happen if you transfer it to a third party.
Vested Interest	Posted - 2008.01.20 20:50:00 - [6] Edited by: Vested Interest on 20/01/2008 20:52:22 It would be kind of cool if you could set a login/password for each character on the account. That way you could loan 1 char without risk to the others. Not exactly in line with the CCP no-sharing policy but might help cut down on totally fubar'd accounts. edit: or keep the account login name but still let you set a password for each char, and keep the "master" password to yourself.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.20 20:50:00 - [7] I think someone is going to change his password very fast if he see this . The passages you cite means CCP will not reimburse the stolen stuff. But I think that if you are caught you will get some kind of ban, At least for account sharing. I seriously doubt a permaban. The right procedure to check this out is to start a petition under Game play.
Shwedagon Paya	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:11:00 - [8]
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:19:00 - [9] GHSC asking about the rules? Must be a cold day in hell or something... What next? T20 getting sacked? --- Fanboi noun: 1)Person who thinks you should be happy that Eve just got a little bit worse. 2) Idiot. Fanboiz: Plural of Fanboi Doorknob: Collective noun for Fanboiz.
Kai Zion Amarr The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:21:00 - [10]

Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:26:00 - [11] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu tl;dr: if I log on to someone's account, with the password they themselves gave me of their own volition, and rob them blind... will I be banned? No. Can I have his stuff? Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu tl;dr: if I log on to someone's account, with the password they themselves gave me of their own volition, and rob them blind... will I be banned? Both of you will most likely get banned.
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:27:00 - [13] Actually I found the answer in some old dev blog : Originally by: GM Nova We can not guarantee that we can reverse damage done to accounts that have been shared. I can however guarantee that players that log into other player's account and steal their assets are rewarded with a long vacation from EVE. Yep , no darwinism for character management. Or GTC sales for that matter. Originally by: ivan draco we didnt want your post anyway
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:30:00 - [14] Every one change your password!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:32:00 - [15] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 20/01/2008 21:33:03 The way I see it, if you need to do it out of game context before entering station or space, it is illegal and wrong. If everything is within the game with all the client interface after logging in a station or in space, it is legal. That's my guess but I would also like to know because I don't like to continue or start playing where cheating are running wildly. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 20/01/2008 21:33:03 The way I see it, if you need to do it out of game context before entering station or space, it is illegal and wrong. If everything is within the game with all the client interface after logging in a station or in space, it is legal. That's my guess but I would also like to know because I don't like to continue or start playing where cheating are running wildly. Log in traps?
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:41:00 - [17] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 20/01/2008 21:41:05 Marcus, if you can prove it is coincidental maybe GM might listen. It could be people crashed, disconnected, whatever reasons and it so happened you were around at the wrong place at the wrong time. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Ralara	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire maybe GM might listen.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:47:00 - [19] What is the joke Ralara? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:48:00 - [20] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 20/01/2008 21:49:02 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 20/01/2008 21:41:05 Marcus, if you can prove it is coincidental maybe GM might listen. It could be people crashed, disconnected, whatever reasons and it so happened you were around at the wrong place at the wrong time. I petitioned a character that logged off everytime I entered a system and was told logging on and off is not an exploit now the validity of saying the GM says so is only as good as my word since ctrl+c and ctrl+v leads to post deletion Originally by: Jenny Spitfire What is the joke Ralara? Also GM's are generally regarded as incompetent as the logs show nothing when you die but the logs show all when they (the person you blew up) die

Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:54:00 - [21] Well, Marcus your first issue could be just seriously bad timing. And the second, of course GMs will have the log because that's what killmails are for, logging. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Benedic The Aftermath	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:57:00 - [22] If you steal their stuff and they claim you hacked them, you can expect your accounts to be banned.
RangerXT Caldari Ota Corps Akihabara Denki Gai	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:04:00 - [23] I pray for death...............
Karunel Princeps Corp T e r c i o s	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:06:00 - [24] 'sup, HG. Good to see you back. ____ Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Well, Marcus your first issue could be just seriously bad timing. And the second, of course GMs will have the log because that's what killmails are for, logging. It is possible that some one just happens to spill hot coffee on their pants 3 times in a row and needs to log off to deal with it but seriously. . . also killmails aren't the logs that I'm talking about
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:09:00 - [26] You should probably just e-mail him. [email protected] ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Alyth Gallente Dichotomy VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I just wanna get the game rules clear on this so it doesn't bite me in the ass. Let's say another Eve player willingly gave me his account password. Would it be considered a violation of EULA to log onto his account and jack his stuff? The way it reads, I'm guessing that once someone gives me their account password willingly, they're pretty much trusting me to whatever's in there. To quote: Originally by: CCP EULA You are responsible and liable for all activities conducted through your Account, regardless of who conducts those activities. There's also the more concise passage stating... Originally by: CCP EULA You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. But, again, this doesn't address my question - aside from the generic admonishment against sharing accounts (which is pretty much a unenforcable joke and ignored by all of Eve Online) there's really not much clarity on this subject. tl;dr: if I log on to someone's account, with the password they themselves gave me of their own volition, and rob them blind... will I be banned? You are a bad bad man heh. Way I understand it is this: regardless of who is playing the account at the time, all consequences are directed to the account owner. However in the case of obtaining someone's username and password I think they are still culpable for anything that happens or any losses incurred ONLY if the information was given freely. If it could be proven that the account was hacked via malicious software etc then I think they get everything back. Basically a case of don't trust anyone because you only have yourself to blame if things go wrong. -------------------------------------------
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Fifth Horseman GHSC asking about the rules? Must be a cold day in hell or something... What next? T20 getting sacked? GHSC has always acted within the rules set down by CCP. That was always the whole point. ---
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:14:00 - [29] Best troll ever.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2008.01.21 00:53:00 - [30] awesome thread i think you probably would but then much as i love him i am not kieron



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