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Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.01.20 20:43:00 - [1] I just wanna get the game rules clear on this so it doesn't bite me in the ass. Let's say another Eve player willingly gave me his account password. Would it be considered a violation of EULA to log onto his account and jack his stuff? The way it reads, I'm guessing that once someone gives me their account password willingly, they're pretty much trusting me to whatever's in there. To quote: Originally by: CCP EULA You are responsible and liable for all activities conducted through your Account, regardless of who conducts those activities. There's also the more concise passage stating... Originally by: CCP EULA You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. But, again, this doesn't address my question - aside from the generic admonishment against sharing accounts (which is pretty much a unenforcable joke and ignored by all of Eve Online) there's really not much clarity on this subject. tl;dr: if I log on to someone's account, with the password they themselves gave me of their own volition, and rob them blind... will I be banned?
Ask Unbeatable Tenacious Danes	Posted - 2008.01.20 20:45:00 - [2]
Hebik Fane Havoc Inc Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.20 20:46:00 - [3] Account sharing is against the EULA and you would get in trouble, possibly banned. At least that was the outcome when it happened in our corp. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2008.01.20 20:49:00 - [4] I would be more interested if said hypothetical person would read this thread then quickly change their password so you cant rob them blind? As for the EULA thing, either you wont get in trouble, or you will get in trouble but for having shared their account nor robbing them. This being of course hypothetical, not something your actually in the process of doing
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.01.20 20:49:00 - [5] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu tl;dr: if I log on to someone's account, with the password they themselves gave me of their own volition, and rob them blind... will I be banned? Yes but not for robbing them blind...for the account sharing I'm not sure what would happen if you transfer it to a third party.
Vested Interest	Posted - 2008.01.20 20:50:00 - [6] Edited by: Vested Interest on 20/01/2008 20:52:22 It would be kind of cool if you could set a login/password for each character on the account. That way you could loan 1 char without risk to the others. Not exactly in line with the CCP no-sharing policy but might help cut down on totally fubar'd accounts. edit: or keep the account login name but still let you set a password for each char, and keep the "master" password to yourself.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.20 20:50:00 - [7] I think someone is going to change his password very fast if he see this . The passages you cite means CCP will not reimburse the stolen stuff. But I think that if you are caught you will get some kind of ban, At least for account sharing. I seriously doubt a permaban. The right procedure to check this out is to start a petition under Game play.
Shwedagon Paya	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:11:00 - [8]
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:19:00 - [9] GHSC asking about the rules? Must be a cold day in hell or something... What next? T20 getting sacked? --- Fanboi noun: 1)Person who thinks you should be happy that Eve just got a little bit worse. 2) Idiot. Fanboiz: Plural of Fanboi Doorknob: Collective noun for Fanboiz.
Kai Zion Amarr The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:21:00 - [10]

Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:26:00 - [11] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu tl;dr: if I log on to someone's account, with the password they themselves gave me of their own volition, and rob them blind... will I be banned? No. Can I have his stuff? Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu tl;dr: if I log on to someone's account, with the password they themselves gave me of their own volition, and rob them blind... will I be banned? Both of you will most likely get banned.
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:27:00 - [13] Actually I found the answer in some old dev blog : Originally by: GM Nova We can not guarantee that we can reverse damage done to accounts that have been shared. I can however guarantee that players that log into other player's account and steal their assets are rewarded with a long vacation from EVE. Yep , no darwinism for character management. Or GTC sales for that matter. Originally by: ivan draco we didnt want your post anyway
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:30:00 - [14] Every one change your password!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:32:00 - [15] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 20/01/2008 21:33:03 The way I see it, if you need to do it out of game context before entering station or space, it is illegal and wrong. If everything is within the game with all the client interface after logging in a station or in space, it is legal. That's my guess but I would also like to know because I don't like to continue or start playing where cheating are running wildly. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 20/01/2008 21:33:03 The way I see it, if you need to do it out of game context before entering station or space, it is illegal and wrong. If everything is within the game with all the client interface after logging in a station or in space, it is legal. That's my guess but I would also like to know because I don't like to continue or start playing where cheating are running wildly. Log in traps?
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:41:00 - [17] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 20/01/2008 21:41:05 Marcus, if you can prove it is coincidental maybe GM might listen. It could be people crashed, disconnected, whatever reasons and it so happened you were around at the wrong place at the wrong time. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Ralara	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire maybe GM might listen.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:47:00 - [19] What is the joke Ralara? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:48:00 - [20] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 20/01/2008 21:49:02 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 20/01/2008 21:41:05 Marcus, if you can prove it is coincidental maybe GM might listen. It could be people crashed, disconnected, whatever reasons and it so happened you were around at the wrong place at the wrong time. I petitioned a character that logged off everytime I entered a system and was told logging on and off is not an exploit now the validity of saying the GM says so is only as good as my word since ctrl+c and ctrl+v leads to post deletion Originally by: Jenny Spitfire What is the joke Ralara? Also GM's are generally regarded as incompetent as the logs show nothing when you die but the logs show all when they (the person you blew up) die

Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:54:00 - [21] Well, Marcus your first issue could be just seriously bad timing. And the second, of course GMs will have the log because that's what killmails are for, logging. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Benedic The Aftermath	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:57:00 - [22] If you steal their stuff and they claim you hacked them, you can expect your accounts to be banned.
RangerXT Caldari Ota Corps Akihabara Denki Gai	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:04:00 - [23] I pray for death...............
Karunel Princeps Corp T e r c i o s	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:06:00 - [24] 'sup, HG. Good to see you back. ____ Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Well, Marcus your first issue could be just seriously bad timing. And the second, of course GMs will have the log because that's what killmails are for, logging. It is possible that some one just happens to spill hot coffee on their pants 3 times in a row and needs to log off to deal with it but seriously. . . also killmails aren't the logs that I'm talking about
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:09:00 - [26] You should probably just e-mail him. [email protected] ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Alyth Gallente Dichotomy VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I just wanna get the game rules clear on this so it doesn't bite me in the ass. Let's say another Eve player willingly gave me his account password. Would it be considered a violation of EULA to log onto his account and jack his stuff? The way it reads, I'm guessing that once someone gives me their account password willingly, they're pretty much trusting me to whatever's in there. To quote: Originally by: CCP EULA You are responsible and liable for all activities conducted through your Account, regardless of who conducts those activities. There's also the more concise passage stating... Originally by: CCP EULA You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. But, again, this doesn't address my question - aside from the generic admonishment against sharing accounts (which is pretty much a unenforcable joke and ignored by all of Eve Online) there's really not much clarity on this subject. tl;dr: if I log on to someone's account, with the password they themselves gave me of their own volition, and rob them blind... will I be banned? You are a bad bad man heh. Way I understand it is this: regardless of who is playing the account at the time, all consequences are directed to the account owner. However in the case of obtaining someone's username and password I think they are still culpable for anything that happens or any losses incurred ONLY if the information was given freely. If it could be proven that the account was hacked via malicious software etc then I think they get everything back. Basically a case of don't trust anyone because you only have yourself to blame if things go wrong. -------------------------------------------
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Fifth Horseman GHSC asking about the rules? Must be a cold day in hell or something... What next? T20 getting sacked? GHSC has always acted within the rules set down by CCP. That was always the whole point. ---
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:14:00 - [29] Best troll ever.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2008.01.21 00:53:00 - [30] awesome thread i think you probably would but then much as i love him i am not kieron

Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.01.21 00:55:00 - [31] The better question here is, was anybody actually punished (ISK penalities, bans, etc) for account sharing ? And if yes, what was the trigger ? Simply logging into another person's account, to, say, change skills for a friend who's away ? Somebody reporting them for account sharing ? Operating a alliace-owned "cynonet" of commonly-owned alts ? Robbing them blind, then them reporting you for stealing (or petitioning for "been hacked") ? 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2008.01.21 01:13:00 - [32] Originally by: Akita T The better question here is, was anybody actually punished (ISK penalities, bans, etc) for account sharing ? And if yes, what was the trigger ? Simply logging into another person's account, to, say, change skills for a friend who's away ? Somebody reporting them for account sharing ? Operating a alliace-owned "cynonet" of commonly-owned alts ? Robbing them blind, then them reporting you for stealing (or petitioning for "been hacked") ? well someone has to report them to ccp obviously ccp have said stuff like your family can change skills for you so it seems very unlikely they will punish account sharing unless there is some loss involved but who knows i think the ccp policy is based around stuff like someone "giving" a friend his account when he leaves eve then coming back and petitioning it to get it back so ccp of course just ban them both for being ******** people being stupid the above kind of situation is really common this kind of thing mostly goes on hearsay though due to it being verboten to publish gm convos and so on
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2008.01.21 01:21:00 - [33] Only a piece of scum in RL would take from someone else's account. Congratulations, Istvaan... you're dirt Originally by: Mangala Solaris EVE really doesnt have set goals, its a freeform sandbox - yes a sandbox with kids that occasionally take a dump in it, but a sandbox never the less.
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2008.01.21 01:22:00 - [34] Edited by: ry ry on 21/01/2008 01:22:22 Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I just wanna get the game rules clear on this so it doesn't bite me in the ass [...] will I be banned? CCP have, in my experience, treated the EULA more as a set of guidelines than actual rules. i've found myself enjoying a SpecialEveHoliday a couple of times when i was 100% confident i was within the EULA, albeit by a hairs bredth. trying to get CCP's official stance on this is a good idea though, since different GMs nova seem interpret the rules in the same way as one another. and i'm sure this post will get moderated too, since thats the way these things go. ps. 'ilikesausagedogs' is a crap password. you should probably change it. [IMAGE REMOVED]
Yuri VanKaer	Posted - 2008.01.21 02:37:00 - [35] Originally by: Mr Friendly Only a piece of scum in RL would take from someone else's account. Congratulations, Istvaan... you're dirt qft In game actions are one thing, RL theft/vandalism (which what you're suggesting really is) is another thing entirely. Grow up.
Duke Grail Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.21 02:57:00 - [36] this would not be legal under article 2 section B near the end of the first paragraph of 2.B Originally by: EULA "...You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else." also at the end of the second paragraph of 2.B Originally by: EULA "You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else." You're better off just getting the dude to give you roles and then making off with their stuff. If they're dumb enough to give you their login, they'll probably give you their stuff without a second thought. I have no signature... it keeps getting nerfed by the mods for no good reason :(
Ashley Sky The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.21 03:03:00 - [37] Another he said, she said situation, with reference to GM rules of abstraction. I fail to see how this is enforceable. However, certain protective measures could be taken from the wireless IP of the coffeehouse down the street, and several generous donations to other players that you would feel the blame should be shifted on to. Click for iMune Empire FAQ
xOm3gAx Caldari Stain of Mind	Posted - 2008.01.21 03:06:00 - [38] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I just wanna get the game rules clear on this so it doesn't bite me in the ass. Let's say another Eve player willingly gave me his account password. Would it be considered a violation of EULA to log onto his account and jack his stuff? The way it reads, I'm guessing that once someone gives me their account password willingly, they're pretty much trusting me to whatever's in there. To quote: Originally by: CCP EULA You are responsible and liable for all activities conducted through your Account, regardless of who conducts those activities. There's also the more concise passage stating... Originally by: CCP EULA You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. But, again, this doesn't address my question - aside from the generic admonishment against sharing accounts (which is pretty much a unenforcable joke and ignored by all of Eve Online) there's really not much clarity on this subject. tl;dr: if I log on to someone's account, with the password they themselves gave me of their own volition, and rob them blind... will I be banned? You both get banned. Them for giving you the pw and you for maliciously using someone elses account. This has happened once b4 that i know of probably more times then that. The time i know of was between a boyfriend and girlfriend it was all over the forums so im sure someone else can remember the details. Originally by: CCP Abraxas Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights. [url="http://myeve.eve-online.co
Dahin Maza Nostra oooh Shiny	Posted - 2008.01.21 03:58:00 - [39] Say someone gives you his account details. You login as him, rob him blind, then laugh at him. He petitions you, both your accounts get instantly banned. (seen it happen at least twice) Chances are neither your accounts will ever get reactivated. Victim has better chances tho. Why fly covops? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0WOIwlXE9g
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.01.21 12:01:00 - [40] Originally by: Mr Friendly Only a piece of scum in RL would take from someone else's account. Congratulations, Istvaan... you're dirt lol Originally by: ivan draco we didnt want your post anyway

Manipulator General o.0	Posted - 2008.01.21 12:13:00 - [41] Given your history, who in their right mind would trust you with anything?
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.01.21 12:22:00 - [42] Originally by: Mr Friendly Only a piece of scum in RL would take from someone else's account. Congratulations, Istvaan... you're dirt Well... duh.
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2008.01.21 12:30:00 - [43] HEY! You guys aren't even actual EULA lawyers are you?! Yea, where did you go to school, pshhh. Have you been called to the EULA Barristers Association? Which is amusingly known as the Hula Bar for some reason, but I can't figure why, Iceland is mighty far away from Hawaii. Wait what? --
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.01.21 12:30:00 - [44] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Originally by: Mr Friendly Only a piece of scum in RL would take from someone else's account. Congratulations, Istvaan... you're dirt Well... duh. I met Istvaan at the Fanfest 2 years ago, and he seems to be a nice enough fellow. Nicer for sure then the character he plays One of the largest mistakes people do is to compare their ingame behavior with their rl behavior, although I think Istvaan should not attempt to log into others accounts and clean them. As pointed out by someone earlier in this thread it is against the EULA for sure. Originally by: CCP Whisper I got your ambulation right here... <walks off to get more wine>
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.21 12:30:00 - [45] Known EVE Facts: Noone ever shares accounts with others. They always change their skills themselves and never shares accounts inside alliance or corporation. It's honest and total truth. It's great being Amarr isn't it.
facepalm johnson a sackful of sacrificial sacrifices	Posted - 2008.01.21 12:31:00 - [46] I love these self-important nobheads who write forum poasts as open letters to CCP staff.

CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2008.01.21 12:33:00 - [47] Accessing another players account is against the EULA. If you believe someone may have your account information you should file a petition and bring it to the attention of the GM's. Accessing another players account, especially if that access is to cause harm, will not be looked upon favourably. It is completely a matter between the GM's and players involved in these cases. CCP will not divulge ban details on any player to the general public. This is always a matter of privacy between the GM's and those parties involved. Long story short - it is in your best interest to never access another players account. Bad things may happen to your account if you do. Navigator, Community Representative EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang


CCP Xhagen	Posted - 2008.01.21 12:36:00 - [48] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I just wanna get the game rules clear on this so it doesn't bite me in the ass. Let's say another Eve player willingly gave me his account password. Would it be considered a violation of EULA to log onto his account and jack his stuff? The way it reads, I'm guessing that once someone gives me their account password willingly, they're pretty much trusting me to whatever's in there. To quote: Originally by: CCP EULA You are responsible and liable for all activities conducted through your Account, regardless of who conducts those activities. There's also the more concise passage stating... Originally by: CCP EULA You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. But, again, this doesn't address my question - aside from the generic admonishment against sharing accounts (which is pretty much a unenforcable joke and ignored by all of Eve Online) there's really not much clarity on this subject. tl;dr: if I log on to someone's account, with the password they themselves gave me of their own volition, and rob them blind... will I be banned? To answer your question: Originally by: CCP EULA B. Passwords and Names You will be asked to select a password during the registration process ("Password"). You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVEÖ. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else. You are responsible for remembering your Account information and Password. You will be assigned a login name and a character name during the registration and character creation process. You may not allow anyone to use your login name or character name to access the System or play EVEÖ. No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else. I must admit that your selective reading is rather surprising. ____________________________ EVE Online CCP Games

Virtuozzo IRON Tech Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.21 12:56:00 - [49] It's human nature ... not surprising :P CAOD FTW.
Anglo Minmatar Astral Mexicans	Posted - 2008.01.21 12:59:00 - [50] in all hounystly i think the current eula is kinda sucky, it should be ok to act as a "babysitter" for another player if he/sh is on vecation etc.. as in u are ok to log on change skill, etc.. all it had to take was a vecation mode button where when pressed you can choose an alternate password wich u give to the babysitter, when thats done in vecation mode all would be locked down, wallet items etc... everyhting but skills.. also u cant undock.. this would be a nice feuture..

Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.01.21 13:08:00 - [51] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 21/01/2008 13:11:30 Thanks Xhagen. Missed those parts. Please do not discuss player bans on the forums. Navigator Sorry for making y'all change your mom pilot passwords, heh.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.01.21 13:13:00 - [52] Originally by: CCP Navigator CCP will not divulge ban details on any player to the general public. This is always a matter of privacy between the GM's and those parties involved. This part I can understand. However, what about "back in the day" with the whole "shared cynonet" accusations against some parties that shall remain nameless, I believe there would have been absolutely no breach of privacy whatsoever to announce something akin to "25 shared cynonet alt accounts were perma-banned, and 50 other account owners that participated were also punished in some way" ? I mean, you didn't have any trouble in stating the number of banned RMT/farming accounts and amount of ISK removed from the economy in the process back when a massive op was conducted. I'm not saying there actually WERE any "shared cynonet" alt accounts, I'm not saying I know any of them were banned or not banned (because frankly I have no clue), but you can see why the LACK of any statements (as general / non-privacy-breaking / whatsoever as they could have been made) makes people think it's somehow "*allright*" to share account details. And especially (HYPOTHETICALLY speaking) since in case that those "cynonet" accusations WOULD have been true, they would have (directly or indirectly, you be the judge of that) been damaging to the gameplay of many others... while, in contrast, giving a friend your password to change skills for you while out of town or somesuch seems so benign that many people quite often are tempted to VOLUNTEER that information to real-life friends. So, basically, it's a "if they did it, and they did damage in the process, yet still nobody punished them, why should I be punished for something that doesn't damage anybody". This is only made worse by anecdotal evidence that family members accessing eachother's accounts would actually be condoned by CCP (don't ask me where I got this from either, I don't recall the forum threads right now). Again, I'm not stating that as something I'd say or do, but it IS a pretty far-spread mindset among EVE players. So... which one is it ? 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.21 13:19:00 - [53] So to make it more clear: -The person obtaining another one's login/password may be banned -The person giving his login/password is unaffected as an account but the transactions while the account was compromised aren't reversed? (thus any items/isk will remain in the offender's banned account?)
Marcus Marcellus	Posted - 2008.01.21 13:26:00 - [54] Edited by: Marcus Marcellus on 21/01/2008 13:29:16 Originally by: ElCoCo So to make it more clear: -The person obtaining another one's login/password may be banned -The person giving his login/password is unaffected as an account but the transactions while the account was compromised aren't reversed? (thus any items/isk will remain in the offender's banned account?) Or in some cases, the person who the victim gave his login/password to is permabanned on first offense, the victim recieves no punishment, and is given back at minimum, his/her isk for his/her stupidity. Of course this has nev...oh wait.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.01.21 13:28:00 - [55] Originally by: ElCoCo So to make it more clear: -The person obtaining another one's login/password may be banned -The person giving his login/password is unaffected as an account but the transactions while the account was compromised aren't reversed? (thus any items/isk will remain in the offender's banned account?) Anecdotal evidence says yes, and it gets even worse... somebody (that shall again remain nameless) once claimed in a pretty high-profile case ("on the internets") that his account (actually, not just his EVE account but also Paypal and other) was HACKED (well, trojan/keylogger, allegedly), and somebody sold everything he had (INCLUDING his character) for real-world money. Resolution being... nothing returned, AND account banned since, well, he engaged in RMT. Hillarious, isn't it ? 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Shinnen Caldari Northern Intelligence The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.01.21 13:45:00 - [56] Edited by: Shinnen on 21/01/2008 13:50:35 Although GM consistency is somewhat of a hit and miss. I think we can all look upon the (well-known) case where a - CEO of a Tanking nature - had money stolen from his account case as pretty good indication of what happens to the person taking the money. edited as we're not allowed to discuss this really. -- Banned since 2005, back by popular demand! They said it wouldn't happen!!
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.21 13:50:00 - [57] I still don't get it. It's MY account and I pay for it. It's my damn own business if I go and share with it someone (I have NEVER done this nor WILL DO! cough). Why should CCP punish me for something I own (My account) and do whatever I liek? It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Shinnen Caldari Northern Intelligence The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.01.21 13:51:00 - [58] Originally by: Kuolematon I still don't get it. It's MY account and I pay for it. It's my damn own business if I go and share with it someone (I have NEVER done this nor WILL DO! cough). Why should CCP punish me for something I own (My account) and do whatever I liek? You don't buy your account you "rent" it from CCP, the account remains property of CCP -- Banned since 2005, back by popular demand! They said it wouldn't happen!!
Marcus Marcellus	Posted - 2008.01.21 13:55:00 - [59] Originally by: Shinnen Edited by: Shinnen on 21/01/2008 13:50:35 Although GM consistency is somewhat of a hit and miss. I think we can all look upon the (well-known) case where a - CEO of a Tanking nature - had money stolen from his account case as pretty good indication of what happens to the person taking the money. edited as we're not allowed to discuss this really. This particulally occurs if the CEO of a tanking nature claims that his computer was hacked, even if he shared, for maximum effectiveness against offender and high horse for "victim" Oh how sad it is that punishment can be manipulated by the players.
Shwedagon Paya	Posted - 2008.01.21 13:55:00 - [60] Originally by: Shinnen Originally by: Kuolematon I still don't get it. It's MY account and I pay for it. It's my damn own business if I go and share with it someone (I have NEVER done this nor WILL DO! cough). Why should CCP punish me for something I own (My account) and do whatever I liek? You don't buy your account you "rent" it from CCP, the account remains property of CCP This. 99.9% of consumers are under the impression that purchasing the right to use someone's virtual property is the same as ownership. It isn't. An annoying technicality, I agree, but important nonetheless.

Shwedagon Paya	Posted - 2008.01.21 13:56:00 - [61] Edited by: Shwedagon Paya on 21/01/2008 13:57:21 Double-post due to annoying, ancient forum login bug, please disregard.
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2008.01.21 14:10:00 - [62] Edited by: Raem Civrie on 21/01/2008 14:11:40 "Account Sharing" is one of those hot issues that fall on a very wide and very much grey area. It seems the blanket ban is in place to protect the users, which can be seen as a bit odd when you think about it; with the skill system as it is, it's sometimes almost a necessity to have someone else change your skills if you cannot yourself. And not all of us have handy, computer-savvy family members that could go through it for us reliably, so it falls to... EVE friends. Safeguards are in place though. You might, for instance, opt to only share your account details to parties within Baseball Distance (otherwise known as the "Bat's Reach"). But in all, I feel that if I DID share my account for such reasons, it should be on my own responsibility. The cynonet allegation is dodgy though... way dodgy. And a sign of a dodgier gameplay mechanic. ---
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2008.01.21 14:11:00 - [63] Originally by: Marcus Marcellus Oh how sad it is that punishment can be manipulated by the players. people manipulating others is pretty much one of the constants of human interaction some might say the entire premise not only is this a factor in eve but ig politics always are too. look at me mods look at me i only quoted the bit i needed see i am a good poster
Sha4d13	Posted - 2008.01.21 15:14:00 - [64] I know someone who was banned for precisely the action suggested by the OP...
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.01.21 15:53:00 - [65] I saw the title. I saw the OP. I knew this HAD to be good. Stick to mass corporate infiltrations Istvaan! -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Heidernis	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:43:00 - [66] Why not just log into the account, get all his valuable assets and put them in a hauler and take it to a safespot in some empty system eject from the ship, rinse repeat as needed till you have all of his stuff, that way there is no trade log ;)
Doonoo Boonoo Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:48:00 - [67] Originally by: Heidernis Why not just log into the account, get all his valuable assets and put them in a hauler and take it to a safespot in some empty system eject from the ship, rinse repeat as needed till you have all of his stuff, that way there is no trade log ;) Because a CCP employee said it's against the EULA to do it. Didn't you read the thread?
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.21 17:45:00 - [68] Originally by: Yuri VanKaer Originally by: Mr Friendly Only a piece of scum in RL would take from someone else's account. Congratulations, Istvaan... you're dirt qft In game actions are one thing, RL theft/vandalism (which what you're suggesting really is) is another thing entirely. Grow up. Quite a few thieves are how you say "grown up"
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2008.01.21 17:51:00 - [69] I love how there's a dev post that clearly says that "we don't discuss bans, bans are strictly between the players and the GMs involved and nobody else" and how right after there's an edited post where the OP starts talking about a ban. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.21 17:57:00 - [70] So technically speaking he's obtained the password which is against the statement: 'you may not obtain' EULA broken bannage! /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig

Marcus Marcellus	Posted - 2008.01.21 20:24:00 - [71] Originally by: Yuri VanKaer Originally by: Mr Friendly Only a piece of scum in RL would take from someone else's account. Congratulations, Istvaan... you're dirt qft In game actions are one thing, RL theft/vandalism (which what you're suggesting really is) is another thing entirely. Grow up. If you choose to violate the rule that states you shouldn't give out your password to others, the Darwin rule would be quite fitting for you!
Yuri VanKaer	Posted - 2008.01.21 22:56:00 - [72] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Yuri VanKaer Originally by: Mr Friendly Only a piece of scum in RL would take from someone else's account. Congratulations, Istvaan... you're dirt qft In game actions are one thing, RL theft/vandalism (which what you're suggesting really is) is another thing entirely. Grow up. Quite a few thieves are how you say "grown up" Agreed. However only very young children don't know that it's wrong to do so. Considering that the OP was asking if RL theft was ok, my statement stands.
Cassandra Beckinsale	Posted - 2008.01.21 23:20:00 - [73] So if my wife log in eve using my password for changing my skill cause i am at work, i will be hunted down by CCP and banned?
Havohej Minmatar The Defias Brotherhood VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.22 00:32:00 - [74] Originally by: Mr Friendly Only a piece of scum in RL would take from someone else's account. Congratulations, Istvaan... you're dirt http://eve.klaki.net/heist/ You'd do it too, Mr Friendly, if presented with the opportunity and in the same line of work as the much-lauded Mister Shogaatsu. Good show, Istvaan, I hope it's not ban-able. The [DFIAS] Blog
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.22 01:24:00 - [75] Originally by: Cassandra Beckinsale So if my wife log in eve using my password for changing my skill cause i am at work, i will be hunted down by CCP and banned? Yes. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Blind Man Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.22 01:38:00 - [76] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Cassandra Beckinsale So if my wife log in eve using my password for changing my skill cause i am at work, i will be hunted down by CCP and banned? Yes. as if the GM's have enough time to monitor account sharing unless you steal someones stuff on their account or give them a reason to petition you for hacking their account or something than u'll be fine..
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2008.01.22 01:53:00 - [77] Allow me to hijack the thread a little bit: does this sort of thing require a petition to be investigated/enforced? Lets say a player is going to quit eve abruptly and gives his login info to a friend to put his stuff to use, it may not quite be with the EULA but would something like this actually result in anyone getting punished? _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Pisi Mopsu NET Profit Trading	Posted - 2008.01.22 21:44:00 - [78] So would accessing my son's account that I pay for on my credit card (he's 14) be a violation of EULA? His account is inactive right now, but that might be good to know when I reactivate it.
Xindi Kraid Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.22 21:53:00 - [79] Originally by: CCP Navigator Accessing another players account is against the EULA. If you believe someone may have your account information you should file a petition and bring it to the attention of the GM's. Accessing another players account, especially if that access is to cause harm, will not be looked upon favourably. It is completely a matter between the GM's and players involved in these cases. CCP will not divulge ban details on any player to the general public. This is always a matter of privacy between the GM's and those parties involved. Long story short - it is in your best interest to never access another players account. Bad things may happen to your account if you do. Come now its so much easier just to say "Yes" --Bird of Prey: Forum God 1. War 2. 3. Profit


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