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Kai Lae
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.01.22 00:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon
The problem is that an AF can't possibly go as fast as an inty with similarily priced fittings. It IS possible to kill an inty with an AF, but if the inty is dumb enough to get close enough to get killed then you're gonna kill em in pretty much whatever you fly.
Nice thing about AF is, its fast, cheap and always underestimated. So even if you don't get that inty, you can probably kill a cruiser or 2, and maybe a dumb (overconfident) vagabond pilot :)
I have no idea why you'd ever want an AF that went as fast as an interceptor; if you needed to do that sort of speed, you'd have been far better off with an interceptor anyway. Even a AF that had a correct base speed/mass wouldn't go that fast. Frankly I'm not sure why a wolf would be afraid of any single interceptor. From experience what usually happens is that the interceptor can't kill you, and either you can't hit him, or they just warp off when you start chewing into their armor (after they've figured out that they can't kill you). This of course depends on fittings; you'll find out that a non-tanked AF is a pine box in this situation, either by someone who thinks that an overdrive is the eve equivalent of Sauron's One Ring or by someone who spent too much time looking at DPS numbers in EFT.
To kill an interceptor with an AF is easy, just like it is under all other circumstances: Web them. Of course, this isn't actually easy to do, but that's how it's done, at least in single combat. Non single combat, there's some AF that work mehsihly ok for interceptor wacking, hawk comes to mind right off. It's DPS is really poor, but being able to cover a 50 km ish bubble with light precision missiles isn't that bad if you want to kill interceptors in a bubble enviroment, or when you have webbing support to prevent them from leaving weapon range. I'm sure everyone else will note that just about everything else can do that as well, but I was speaking on assault frigates in particular. At any rate anything larger than destroyer size you'll either need to hope they're in a ratting config, or that you have several and they have...less than several, but then again the same situation also holds true for a interceptor.
People generally complain that the assualt frigate has no role. It does; it's problem stems from the fact that it does a miserable role in general at it. Until it gets looked at by CCP there are other options however.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Clearspace Operations
Carpe Diem.
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Posted - 2008.01.22 02:07:00 -
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Light precision missiles 4tw...............
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VB Sarge
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.01.22 02:12:00 -
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As far as picking an AF to take out Inty's, I'd say the Harpy is the one that stands the best chance at it. But even then, when the Inty gets into their orbit, it would be hard pressed to take it down.
You can take out an Inty in an AF, but it requires a lot more in game skill than what I'd think most players have. While the Destroyers probably have a much better chance at killing one. That is their intended role, anyways.
I'd think an arty Wolf would be the way to go if you were looking at a Minny AF to take out inty's. You wont be able to take out a really smart pilot, though. Consider straffing as an option, and you might get lucky. Of course, a Crow will give you a bad day still.
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Maeltstome
Minmatar
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.22 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Gunner Cid
I dont think using an Assault Frig is the right answer, if you are in a serious need of the "anti inty" role train for a Hyena. That Wolf would get rocked hard by most Interceptors that people fly.
Hyena doesnt have the dps to kill a decent ceptor.
Any frigate with long range guns and low-damage high-range ammo in will melt and inty. The harpy is especially good at it.
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Maeltstome
Minmatar
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.01.22 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: VB Sarge
As far as picking an AF to take out Inty's, I'd say the Harpy is the one that stands the best chance at it. But even then, when the Inty gets into their orbit, it would be hard pressed to take it down.
You can take out an Inty in an AF, but it requires a lot more in game skill than what I'd think most players have. While the Destroyers probably have a much better chance at killing one. That is their intended role, anyways.
I'd think an arty Wolf would be the way to go if you were looking at a Minny AF to take out inty's. You wont be able to take out a really smart pilot, though. Consider straffing as an option, and you might get lucky. Of course, a Crow will give you a bad day still.
An orbitting interceptor travelling at 6 or below will take full hits from decent skilled or tracking bonus'd arties.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.22 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon
Hehe Ryysa, with your attitude I'm surprised you play EVE at all. Every ship sucks :D
I don't really anymore actually.
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Wolf can chew through a vagabond tank faster than a vagabond can chew through a wolf tank, assuming the vagabond doesn't have a web (and what vagabond has a web?)
Uhm. You clearly don't know anything about game mechanics.
Even if wolf has scram/web, vagabond with mwd will go faster than wolf without speedmod when 90% webbed, assuming vagabond has decent skills.
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And if you have problems agreeing with AF being cheap then you probably don't have enough sp to make the isk to consider them cheap, which means you probably also don't have the SP (and/or experience) to pilot them well :P
You just failed on epic scale.
I don't need to say why, but other people already laughed at you really hard for this one.
To sum up my response:
L2P.
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Westly Synpa
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.22 18:11:00 -
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why not do like everyone else does and stack tracking computers up the ass on a battlecruiser.
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Chemical Castration
Chemical Castration Lotto
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Posted - 2008.01.22 18:14:00 -
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As stated, Destroyers are very good anti-interceptors.
Try a Thrasher, it's surprisingly effective. Take faction ammo. (I like to carry a few types so I can fit for the range I'll be engaging at) I even keep some Quake S, it's always fun to catch the silly inty that gets into web range and instapop him when he tries to flee.
7x 250mm Arty II (Faction Ammo)
1x 1MN MWD II
1x TP II
1x Web II
1x Gyro II
1x Tracking Enhancer II
If you're going solo swap the TP for a 24km point, but I think Crows will still chew you up by staying outside of your webifier range and speedtanking your arties. Not 100% sure. Other inties will probably just easily run away if you don't instapop them.
I'd say the best cost-effective team would be a Hyena w/ EAF V and dual webs and something similar to what I listed above. (Although if you had the inty dual webbed, you could probably do it in a Cruiser/BC and much more safely)
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.22 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Westly Synpa
why not do like everyone else does and stack tracking computers up the ass on a battlecruiser.
Works quite well too actually.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.01.22 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price
Harpies like to snack on interceptors when people don't have them fitted up for ratting.
He and I have posted Harpy setups to take on interceptors. Contact me in game and I'll send you a setup that will track and kill crow pilots - or shoo them off. I also have a setup for a Hawk for nailing interceptors up to 8400 m/s (albeit slowly).
Destroyers are a good choice too, but are much weaker in tank - they are a good option if you lack the skills for an AF.
Assault frigates have a limited role in this game, because most of what they do can be done by a T1 cruiser better (DPS, tank, straight line speed). Their advantage lies in quick locks for the initial tackle, and the superior tracking of the small weapons fitted on them. They also tank better than destroyers fit for the same role.
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