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Heigh Suse
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Posted - 2004.03.24 15:38:00 -
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IT certainly makes it more exciting hauling your life savings in minerals around.
While I dont nessasarily like their attitude they are a definate necesity of this game :P
For all you do, this Quafe's for you.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.24 15:42:00 -
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They'd still be here even without your praises, it's not like people need encouragement to follow the path of least resistance.
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Heigh Suse
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Posted - 2004.03.24 15:44:00 -
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Im just talking to hear myself.
I dont like most of them so I wouldnt call it a praise, it's more like I'm just agreeing with the design of the game.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.03.24 15:44:00 -
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While I dont nessasarily like their attitude ...
You'd be surprised...some are quite decent when not engaged in trying to kill you. Of course, some are complete bleeps but this is no different than you find in any groups of people. Carebears have more than their share of those too.
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Atar
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Posted - 2004.03.24 17:13:00 -
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They'd still be here even without your praises, it's not like people need encouragement to follow the path of least resistance.
Path of least resistance? 
You obviouly have not tried pirating! 
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Heigh Suse
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Posted - 2004.03.24 17:18:00 -
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No I think it's more "Path of fun to them"
I was going to try to be a dirty pirate, but I cant bring myself to do it.
I will be hunting pirates when able though ;P
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.24 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 24/03/2004 17:49:03
Let me see, set-up for instalock at all times, camp gate, blast everything I can and run to a safespot and log when anything that can put up a fight comes near.
Do I really need to?
Wholesale indiscriminate gankfests got you to where you are, kill off the ones that draw bad press to your business and I'm sure people will see it in a different light.
Pirating in the equation risk+-reward*time remain the easy way.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.24 17:50:00 -
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They'd still be here even without your praises, it's not like people need encouragement to follow the path of least resistance.
omg - he thinks that pirating is easy
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.03.24 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 24/03/2004 17:54:26
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 24/03/2004 17:49:03
Let me see, set-up for instalock at all times, camp gate, blast everything I can and run to a safespot and log when anything that can put up a fight comes near.
Do I really need to?
Wholesale indiscriminate gankfests got you to where you are, kill off the ones that draw bad press to your business and I'm sure people will see it in a different light.
Pirating in the equation risk+-reward*time remain the easy way.
Man Denton, you got frustrations ?
Pirating is NOT easy. I dont do it, but i can imagine.
So, you instalock, your pray warps away to safespot and follows up with the usual dose of smacktalk and threats in local. Since your position is now compromised you move to another gate, only to have 7 consequetive indies instajump past you before you can shoot em. Next thing you know some guys in BS's jumps in form behind and start locking ...etc. etc.
There's always the other side to a story. Guess you cant imagine that tho.
Stripmining is the easy way, don't fool yourself.
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Posted - 2004.03.24 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 24/03/2004 17:49:03
Let me see, set-up for instalock at all times, camp gate, blast everything I can and run to a safespot and log when anything that can put up a fight comes near.
Do I really need to?
Wholesale indiscriminate gankfests got you to where you are, kill off the ones that draw bad press to your business and I'm sure people will see it in a different light.
Pirating in the equation risk+-reward*time remain the easy way.
how abaut adding there: Running into Ambush or another pirat and loose BS
i can make Milions and milions by just sitting on roidbelt
pirating is everything else than riskfree or proffitable - its fun - 
and only most skillful, notorius, Meanest, badarses will get rich by it 
it takes far more skills in person (not charakter) to be a good at it
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.24 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 24/03/2004 18:07:48
I'm not frustrated, I deal with them when I have to, I've just never come across anyone of them making anything imaginative or something that seemed like it required any planning at all.
Any meathead can send a starter corporation alt ahead to scout miners.
Just stating a fact, the huge rewards possible through pirating will guarantee a high percentage of them around, no need to pat them on the back and say good job. Had they done something to further the game like weeding out the idiots amongst themselves...
So far I've only heard about Space Invaders not liking Zombie, could have misread it though and Jokers killing everyone else pretty much. The recent break between Cow and M0o was a welcome one but as for the rest every such outfit seems to get along just fine.
I've yet to come across any real pirates, just people out to kill me for whatever loot, these replies will put that prospect even further into the future but I have no illusions at this point.
Pirates to me is like NPC, you cannot really interact with them, they're there, what they do is inevitable and what you get out of it is pretty much due to input from your own end.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.03.24 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Skillz on 24/03/2004 18:09:36
We make isk mostly from other activities. No, most people would leave if there wasen't any PvP option, just because you're some sort of 'roid and agent mission addict does not mean you're 99.492% but rather 0.98362% of the player base. It's quite different from what carebears in general try to imply.
Just ask for instance those CoC, CELES or whatever what they'd do without playable PvP.
BTW: It's close to unplayable with all bull**** like instajump and safe space bookmarks.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.03.24 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Wraeththu on 24/03/2004 18:11:31
Pirates are here, they're a integral part of the game. They're not going anywhere. And since, I can't think of anyone who argues on this board with any coherence who would argue against pirates, they're safe. In contrast, we could argue at length about how pirates interact with others need improvement though, as it's mostly boring and sucky for both parties (which then starts a completely different, and horrible debate).
Danton man, less coffee, or you're going to turn into a bitter old man like me. And the world definetly doesn't need another Wraeththu.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.03.24 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 24/03/2004 17:49:03
Let me see, set-up for instalock at all times, camp gate, blast everything I can and run to a safespot and log when anything that can put up a fight comes near.
Do I really need to?
Wholesale indiscriminate gankfests got you to where you are, kill off the ones that draw bad press to your business and I'm sure people will see it in a different light.
Pirating in the equation risk+-reward*time remain the easy way.
Just proves how little you know about actual pirating then doesnt it.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.24 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 24/03/2004 18:21:20
I don't do drugs that don't give me a significant mind-altering high, I'm slave enough as it is to every day life thank you.
They do what they do, I didn't expect anything else from them frankly, just stating that I have no pity for them whenever they do get nerfed since they don't tend their own garden very well.
For example they should all declare war on Zombie when they return and force them to disband for bringing this last unwelcome nerf.
To this Burn Eden guy, never said I'd come across a real pirate either. Where do they operate?
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.03.24 18:24:00 -
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They did not bring any nerf to the game, infact CCP planned on increasing the sentry gun range to 100km long before any Yulai event. You do read the patch notes or are you busy with those agents?
When even Jericho faction has finally been convinced into that PvP isen't so bad after all, it's in fact one of the few things that are not repetitive and boring.
The other thing is scamming but that's not something that would concern you.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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toaster
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Posted - 2004.03.24 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 24/03/2004 17:49:03
Let me see, set-up for instalock at all times, camp gate, blast everything I can and run to a safespot and log when anything that can put up a fight comes near.
Do I really need to?
Wholesale indiscriminate gankfests got you to where you are, kill off the ones that draw bad press to your business and I'm sure people will see it in a different light.
Pirating in the equation risk+-reward*time remain the easy way.
Just proves how little you know about actual pirating then doesnt it.
I second that wholeheartedly. Pirating is not as easy as some with no experience make it out to be. Try it first, then comment.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.24 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 24/03/2004 18:52:35
Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 24/03/2004 18:48:59
I'll see about sending you an aidpackage for having it so hard and be misunderstood by all.
Would a quafe a piece do?
Pirates have never in recorded history been pirates 24/7, why should there be an option to be in EVE? Troy and Monaco prospered due to piracy, now did these pirates not have anything at all to do with the rest of the goings on in these citys?
So what if you don't make 5 kills and hour, whoever said it should be a fulltime occupation? Clearly that is the misconception here, the so-called pirate corporations thinking that that is all they should do and turn a mean profit. When they do sure that holds true but by no means should it be possible all the time. Tell me one predator that eats around the clock.
About the sentryguns, why then are they 150km and not 100?
Furthermore I run a cult, that's a few things above and beyond running agentmissions.
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Ukiah
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Posted - 2004.03.24 18:46:00 -
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While I dont nessasarily like their attitude ...
You'd be surprised...some are quite decent when not engaged in trying to kill you. Of course, some are complete bleeps but this is no different than you find in any groups of people. Carebears have more than their share of those too.
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You're right, drunkenmaster, for example, has been surprisingly forthcoming on ship setups and tactics. Especially for someone who's very existence depends on capitalizing on another person's mistakes or ingorance. There are quite a few others who are actually really cool peeps. I certainly wouldn't want to be flying an inde when they're around, but on a personal level, they're some of the nicest characters I've interacted with in eve.
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The Chef
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Posted - 2004.03.24 20:04:00 -
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omg - he thinks that pirating is easy
I was in a moa. Some guy in a scorp warps in, jams me so i can't run or fight back. Your right, it is so hard to be a pirate.
It wasn't like i was even doing anything other than looking for NPC rats. *sighs*
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TauTut
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Posted - 2004.03.24 20:07:00 -
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omg - he thinks that pirating is easy
I was in a moa. Some guy in a scorp warps in, jams me so i can't run or fight back. Your right, it is so hard to be a pirate.
It wasn't like i was even doing anything other than looking for NPC rats. *sighs*
Things are going to change with jamming .. soon(tm).
None of this 100% jammed - no chance of fighting back scenario.
Should spice things up a bit.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.03.24 20:36:00 -
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Yea i dont understand pilots really mad at pirate , cursing them.
I am glad pc pirates are here its one of the most important , exciting part of game.
I usually talk friendly with pirates , after a good fight, no matter who won.
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Ukiah
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Posted - 2004.03.24 21:07:00 -
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On this we agree :)
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.03.24 21:16:00 -
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Yea i dont understand pilots really mad at pirate , cursing them.
What's hard to understand about that? Some guy works for the last three months to get himself in a battleships and gets ganked on his way to pick up weapons a day later to some bored pirate having some fun at his expense.
I agree pirates are a necessary part of EVE but it isn't hard to see where the anger can creep in here.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.03.24 22:40:00 -
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No, most people would leave if there wasen't any PvP option, just because you're some sort of 'roid and agent mission addict does not mean you're 99.492% but rather 0.98362% of the player base. It's quite different from what carebears in general try to imply.
Now I have no Idea what the real ratio is however I would love to find out from where you pulled out those numbers.
Also there is a great deal of difference between PvP and PK, the number of players who like PvP is alot higher than the number of people that like PK.
As for little miss Heigh Suse.. or maby its mr... she sounds like a pirate alt trying to pass off the false opinion that most of us peacefull players actually aprove of the current pirate mechanics.
I know there are others who agree with what I say, I know there are quite a few of us but I have no Idea as to how many persentage we make up of the game and Skills, you already dont have much respect on this forum, please dont try playing the moral majority gambit, not many people buy it.
Personally I like PvP alot, like you say its exiting and fun and rewarding but not when I take out my brand new BS for its first spin after spending 2-3 months working towards it, especially not if the persons ganking me is made up of 5 or 6 players in BS's who do it cos they are bored and smack talk me for an hour explaining how they powned me in chat, local and mails.
PvP should be a part of this game BUT it must be balanced and by that I meen there should be limits as to where, why and how as well as for what reason.
Currently there are far too many PK gankers.
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Heigh Suse
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Posted - 2004.03.24 23:02:00 -
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Little miss heigh suse :P
IM A MAN BABY!!1
I dont like em any more than you do, but it does make you think twice about carrying everything you have across low security space. It's exciting,.
Right now I am flying in a frigate so I dont know the pain of losing a battleship.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.03.24 23:49:00 -
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Well considering I cant see your avatar Its rather hard to tell from the ! wich sex you are.
As for the name... weill thats anyones guess and I got it wrong, Im sorry :)
As for carrying all my worthly belongings in one ship... I would be hard pressed to do that at the moment, having played as long as I have I simply have amassed too much wealth to fit in one Mammoth (and no I wont sell all and see if it fits in the form of mega :)
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.03.25 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 24/03/2004 18:07:48
I'm not frustrated, I deal with them when I have to, I've just never come across anyone of them making anything imaginative or something that seemed like it required any planning at all.
Any meathead can send a starter corporation alt ahead to scout miners.
Just stating a fact, the huge rewards possible through pirating will guarantee a high percentage of them around, no need to pat them on the back and say good job. Had they done something to further the game like weeding out the idiots amongst themselves...
So far I've only heard about Space Invaders not liking Zombie, could have misread it though and Jokers killing everyone else pretty much. The recent break between Cow and M0o was a welcome one but as for the rest every such outfit seems to get along just fine.
I've yet to come across any real pirates, just people out to kill me for whatever loot, these replies will put that prospect even further into the future but I have no illusions at this point.
Pirates to me is like NPC, you cannot really interact with them, they're there, what they do is inevitable and what you get out of it is pretty much due to input from your own end.
Dude, you need to calm down. I still remember the first day we met, out in Verge.
regards to planning:
SPVD tanking the gate guns in aurohunen, back when most people thought it was impossible.
m0o/FE taking on alliances
Zombie tanking gate guns *and* a concord instaspawn fleet despite all their anti-gank countermeasures
They *all* took plenty of planning and a lot of teamwork.
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Regarding SPVD and Zombie. We are good friends with them. I would lend *any* of them my battleship. What they did in Yulai took a load of balls. I was impressed. They invited me over especially to film it. (video 4b in sig)
Crazy vikings they may be, but they are all good people.
Everyone that got caught up in that system had all their stuff returned, on top of the (at least 40%) insurnace they had on their ships.
Net result: zombie disappeared for a week, everyone they killed got free money.
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As for pirates trying to kill you for your loot. duh. that's what they do. And seeing as it is you, I doubt any pirate in their right mind would expect you to pay a toll. In that resect they will appear to you to be no different from the NPC's. Your overly general attitude towards the entire spectrum of pirates is what is cutting you off from the interaction. If someone strikes up an interesting convo with me while I'm camping a gate, chances are, I'll let them pass for free. This will not happen with you, I fear.
Just calm down.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.03.25 00:31:00 -
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As for pirates trying to kill you for your loot. duh. that's what they do. And seeing as it is you, I doubt any pirate in their right mind would expect you to pay a toll. In that resect they will appear to you to be no different from the NPC's. Your overly general attitude towards the entire spectrum of pirates is what is cutting you off from the interaction. If someone strikes up an interesting convo with me while I'm camping a gate, chances are, I'll let them pass for free. This will not happen with you, I fear.
Just calm down.
I've said it before, dm:
Some people just beg to be shot. I'd have shot WhiteDwarf cept every time I ran into him he was under the protection of sentry/concord
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.25 00:47:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 25/03/2004 00:52:11
As opposed to you Jash I weigh in policy when I decide who is shot and who is not, not their differing views, I guess that's roleplaying.
drunkenmaster I don't recall that first time, only that you introduced me to the MWD when I heard some guys you robbed with an alt curse you for running their blockade. What my part in it all were and whether I was calm or not is lost to me.
As for the tolling I don't see what being me has to do with my likeliness of paying, I've offered to pay toll before, the reply was that they wanted the system red on the map.
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