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Denu Vajet
Minmatar A-Go-Gee
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Posted - 2008.01.22 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Denu Vajet on 22/01/2008 11:24:50 Edited by: Denu Vajet on 22/01/2008 11:24:23 well all I can afford right now is a rifter so I was curious if I could make some money killing peepz in low sec? whats the maximum a rifter can handle? And can he do something solo? got t2 autocannons with Barrage.Im fairly new to PvP thats why im asking "I would like an burger with AF's and BC's please" |
Inertial
Blood Reavers
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Posted - 2008.01.22 11:29:00 -
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A rifter can comfortably handle a Cruiser if flown correctly, unless that cruiser is fitted in a good way. * Reavers are recruiting
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Denu Vajet
Minmatar A-Go-Gee
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Posted - 2008.01.22 11:30:00 -
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are there any training movies for rifters or anything ? "I would like an burger with AF's and BC's please" |
flashfresh
BLACK-FLAG
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Posted - 2008.01.22 11:32:00 -
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Hi Denu
A rifter is more than capable of low-sec piracy and there's a lot of posts and threads on this. A rifter (imho) is the best T1 frigate, able to take on and beat all over frigates. The punisher is a close second but the rifter is more versatile.
With T2 ACs and it shines.
As for MAKING money from piracy - depends if you want to ransom peeps. You can make some isk from that BUT, the only ships worth ransoming would be BC / Command Ship and above and they will be, by and large, out of scope for a single rifter. Having said that, i have taken down a hurricane and two rifters took out an apocapalypse -- so you might be lucky.
Pick your targets carefully: all t1 frigates, destroyers and most cruisers (except maybe the vexor, arbitrator and thorax) should be possible and hell, even some badly fitted battleships. Learn to use the scanner and keep an eye on local.
However, the only way to learn is by doing. I would drop the T2 ACs and go with cheaper T1 kit and have at least a dozen rifters handy. You will lose ships and often but it's the best teacher.
Also, make sure you learn the flagging rules - nothing more embarassing than getting popped by sentry guns after a successful kill.
Post your rifter here also, am sure there will be some useful comments.
Good luck.
Flashfresh
ôMe, I'm dishonest, and you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you have to watch out for.'ö http://i-pirate.blogspot.com
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fred red
Minmatar Minmatar Black Op's
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Posted - 2008.01.22 11:37:00 -
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i have been using a rifter to do some Can flipping while i get my skills up. think i have made about 200 million from named mining upgrades and t2 items
when going up against miners make sure you have drones in your overview other than that i have taken some cruisers out and ransomed a hauler. i have lost lots but i have made more than i have lost.
i also took out a wolf in my t1 fitted rifter,
if at first you don't succeed try try again... keep a stock of rifters and fittings sitting in stations where you are planning to operate so you can get back to the fight fast.
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flashfresh
BLACK-FLAG
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Posted - 2008.01.22 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: fred red .......... i also took out a wolf in my t1 fitted rifter, ..........
That's a good kill there mate. Nice.
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ôMe, I'm dishonest, and you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you have to watch out for.'ö http://i-pirate.blogspot.com
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Denu Vajet
Minmatar A-Go-Gee
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Posted - 2008.01.22 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Denu Vajet on 22/01/2008 11:58:01
Originally by: flashfresh Hi Denu
A rifter is more than capable of low-sec piracy and there's a lot of posts and threads on this. A rifter (imho) is the best T1 frigate, able to take on and beat all over frigates. The punisher is a close second but the rifter is more versatile.
With T2 ACs and it shines.
As for MAKING money from piracy - depends if you want to ransom peeps. You can make some isk from that BUT, the only ships worth ransoming would be BC / Command Ship and above and they will be, by and large, out of scope for a single rifter. Having said that, i have taken down a hurricane and two rifters took out an apocapalypse -- so you might be lucky.
Pick your targets carefully: all t1 frigates, destroyers and most cruisers (except maybe the vexor, arbitrator and thorax) should be possible and hell, even some badly fitted battleships. Learn to use the scanner and keep an eye on local.
However, the only way to learn is by doing. I would drop the T2 ACs and go with cheaper T1 kit and have at least a dozen rifters handy. You will lose ships and often but it's the best teacher.
Also, make sure you learn the flagging rules - nothing more embarassing than getting popped by sentry guns after a successful kill.
Post your rifter here also, am sure there will be some useful comments.
Good luck.
Flashfresh
alright I would like tol post my rifter here so u guys can see him but how should I post a rifter?
In the Highs: I got 3x 200mm T2 ac's small nosferatu t1
Mids: Stasis web t1 warp scram t1 1mn mwd t1
lows: nanofiber internal structure t1 inertia stabelizers t1 overdrive injector t1 "I would like an burger with AF's and BC's please" |
Culmen
Caldari HeartVenom Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2008.01.22 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Denu Vajet
In the Highs: I got 3x 200mm T2 ac's small nosferatu t1
Mids: Stasis web t1 warp scram t1 1mn mwd t1
lows: nanofiber internal structure t1 inertia stabelizers t1 overdrive injector t1
good setup for a tech 1 tackler as for solo PvP im not so sure remeber your guns wont be as effective with MWD due to your transversal
also your running without a tank, as i said, this would be acceptable for a tackler but if your going to solo pirate this is a problem a couple of warrior IIs are going to ruin your day
your not going to be able to gank a cruiser, so you need just enough tank to survive a short drone encouter but otherwise you're fine _____________________________________________________
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Inertial
Blood Reavers
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Posted - 2008.01.22 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: Inertial on 22/01/2008 12:29:00
Originally by: Denu Vajet Edited by: Denu Vajet on 22/01/2008 11:58:01
alright I would like tol post my rifter here so u guys can see him but how should I post a rifter?
In the Highs: I got 3x 200mm T2 ac's small nosferatu t1
Mids: Stasis web t1 warp scram t1 1mn mwd t1
lows: nanofiber internal structure t1 inertia stabelizers t1 overdrive injector t1
It looks good, I would personally after my expiriences go with a armour tanked rifter,
My favourite fitting is:
H: 3x 150mm T2 ACs 1x Small Nosferatu 1 (requires engineering 5, if you don't got it, leave this out)
M: 1x Cap injector 1x 1mn Afterburner T2 1x Warp scrambler/distruptor
L: 1x: Small armour repper (T2 if you don't got engineering 5, in which case you have to fit T1 unless you can find a Upir NOS) 1x 200mm plate 1x overdrive (I just couldn't find anything else I wanted really)
Your speed tanked rifter is nice tough, if speed tanking is your thing.
The nice thing about my setup is that you won't run out of cap for some time even while running all modules. * Reavers are recruiting
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Denu Vajet
Minmatar A-Go-Gee
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Posted - 2008.01.22 12:40:00 -
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Yeah if im going to equip all my rifter with t2 stuff then itll be quite expensive hehe so ill stick with the t1's "I would like an burger with AF's and BC's please" |
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NvyoU
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Posted - 2008.01.22 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Denu Vajet Edited by: Denu Vajet on 22/01/2008 11:58:01
Originally by: flashfresh Hi Denu
A rifter is more than capable of low-sec piracy and there's a lot of posts and threads on this. A rifter (imho) is the best T1 frigate, able to take on and beat all over frigates. The punisher is a close second but the rifter is more versatile.
With T2 ACs and it shines.
As for MAKING money from piracy - depends if you want to ransom peeps. You can make some isk from that BUT, the only ships worth ransoming would be BC / Command Ship and above and they will be, by and large, out of scope for a single rifter. Having said that, i have taken down a hurricane and two rifters took out an apocapalypse -- so you might be lucky.
Pick your targets carefully: all t1 frigates, destroyers and most cruisers (except maybe the vexor, arbitrator and thorax) should be possible and hell, even some badly fitted battleships. Learn to use the scanner and keep an eye on local.
However, the only way to learn is by doing. I would drop the T2 ACs and go with cheaper T1 kit and have at least a dozen rifters handy. You will lose ships and often but it's the best teacher.
Also, make sure you learn the flagging rules - nothing more embarassing than getting popped by sentry guns after a successful kill.
Post your rifter here also, am sure there will be some useful comments.
Good luck.
Flashfresh
alright I would like tol post my rifter here so u guys can see him but how should I post a rifter?
In the Highs: I got 3x 200mm T2 ac's small nosferatu t1
Mids: Stasis web t1 warp scram t1 1mn mwd t1
lows: nanofiber internal structure t1 inertia stabelizers t1 overdrive injector t1
Just going to chime in here:
A speed tank in lows but with those guns you are going in close - IÆd advise fitting a plate for short range combat. It'll give you a nice buffer until you can get in a tight orbit and switch the mwd off. If you get webbed the plate may just save your hide or give you time to breath. ItÆs a little less manoeuvrable than stock but you can always fit a 200m plate instead and have room for a CPR in lows if you are running short on Cap.
HereÆs my preferred close up fit to give you some more ideas, with my fitting skills it still runs short of cap after 2 and half minutes with the mwd off and using T1 tackle gear in meds.
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Small Armor Repairer I /OFFLINE
1MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor I Stasis Webifier I
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Javelin Rocket/ Phallanx etc
Good luck!
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Saint Apathy
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.01.22 12:51:00 -
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Denu, check out http://scrapheap-challenge.com/ for some help on fittings. There you can also find a link to EFT, which should help you with fitting as well.
Originally by: actionjaxun
What kind of "Pirate" are you? you just show up and knock out my warp drive, and then start shooting me for no reason.
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Rhak Amharr
Minmatar Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.01.22 12:52:00 -
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Hey,
yes, Rifter is, as was already said, easily one of the best ships for starters in the game. Also, flashfresh already told you most of the truths.
You will not make much money by ransoming ships, since they either pop too fast to be ransomed or you don't get much money out of it. You can, on the other hand, decently catch pods and ransom those if they are old enough. Another thing (which I still have to try with success though) is getting ratters to eject from their cruisers. You need a friend nearby who can fly it though, but when you succeed, it's an easy 10 mil (for cruiser + fittings, some even use rigs, and those are worth quite a lot) when you sell it. As long as your sec status allows it, definately go ore thieving in highsec. It is not as challenging as shooting stuff that has more than 5 badly trained drones to shoot back, but it is fun and, more importantly, those Hulks tend to drop Strip Miner II and other nice stuff like crazy. Also, ransoming them sometimes yields good money, though I have found that they rather die smacking than paying a ransom.
As for your Rifter setup, do not speed tank it in a closerange setup. Here's what I use for my daily work (it's pretty much the standard setup):
3x 150mm AC II with EMP S, Phased Plasma S or Barrage S (depends on situation) 1x Small 'Knave' NOS
1x named AB (Monopropellant something) 1x X5 Web 1x scram (I exchange 7.5k scram and 20k scram depending on how I feel)
1x Small Armor Repairer II 1x 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten 1x named Gyro
This setup costs roughly 1.5-2.5 mil (after insurance ofc, you will lose this ship), depending on your local shopping center. You can downgrade everything to plain T1 of course to start out, it has a bit worse performance (and you lose the advantage of Barrage), but a way better cost/performance ratio.
There are of course other ways to setup Rifters (e.g., try not fly this setup if you're tackler in a gang unless you have to), but this one worked best for me at soloing.
Hope this helps, Rhak
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August Augenklappe
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Posted - 2008.01.22 12:58:00 -
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you just need the man power and the knowledge how to do it correctly :)
rifter corp
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Rhak Amharr
Minmatar Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.01.22 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Rhak Amharr on 22/01/2008 13:17:46 Edited by: Rhak Amharr on 22/01/2008 13:09:16
Originally by: August Augenklappe you just need the man power and the knowledge how to do it correctly :)
rifter corp
Hmm, I wanna say "who" ... (insert random words here which I do not remember) ... er, is it "what"?
Seriously, that is hilarous.
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Jaro Brutus
La Isla del Mono
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Posted - 2008.01.22 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jaro Brutus on 22/01/2008 13:14:58 Just don't fit extremely expensive modules on the rifter. Tech II is ok as long as they are cheap. You will loose ships and your objective, is to win ISK as well as have fun pvp, so keep your ship cheap enough.
Ransom or kill people, there are some ships that fit T2 items or modules worth 1 or 2 M each... Getting rich may prove difficult, but if you choose targets wisely you will kill more than die and make some ISK.
As for cruisers, be extra careful when choosing which ones to attack. Recently I killed a poorly fitted caracal, extremely shield and armor tanked, but low damage. It took ages, but finaly I did it. However such "easy" cruisers are a exception.
As a final word, be a pollite pirate and respect ransoms/other players.
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Denu Vajet
Minmatar A-Go-Gee
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Posted - 2008.01.22 13:15:00 -
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about the can flipping? Everyone uses password protected cans where that I cant open. "I would like an burger with AF's and BC's please" |
Jaro Brutus
La Isla del Mono
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Posted - 2008.01.22 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Denu Vajet about the can flipping? Everyone uses password protected cans where that I cant open.
It just works with jettisoned cans... it may give you a good amount of isk, but is less fun than belt piracy and some people consider it a lame/noob tactic
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Rhak Amharr
Minmatar Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.01.22 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Denu Vajet about the can flipping? Everyone uses password protected cans where that I cant open.
Don't know where you are located, but places that I liked for can flipping were Sivala and Tash-Murkon Prime with their surrounding systems. Also, in systems with security status 0.8 and above, you cannot anchor containers, so you will find only jetcans there (or unanchored secure containers, which you can simply scoop with a large enough ship to annoy them).
But be aware that a lot of Hulk pilots use cargo expanded hulks, they do not use cans at all, so they are no targets either. Just be patient, you will find a jetcan miner. :)
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Rhak Amharr
Minmatar Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.01.22 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Rhak Amharr on 22/01/2008 13:32:06 nvm
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Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Snake Assault
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Posted - 2008.01.22 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: flashfresh A rifter (imho) is the best T1 frigate, able to take on and beat all over frigates.
I, too, believe the Rifter to be the best T1 frig, but it can't automatically beat all other frigs. I'll stay far away from Kestrels with my Rifter. All others I'll engage quite merrily.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.01.22 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Omarvelous on 22/01/2008 17:10:42 A Rifter I use for screwing around in - I find it to be a good balance between hitting hard, moving somewhat fast (permanently), and a tank that can help you survive some drones - and cost effectiveness.
Highs: - 3 200mm Autocannons (by all means switch to T2 when you can for any named mods) - 1 Rocket Launcher - crucial for dealing with small drones.
Mids: - 1 MN AB II (tech 2 and decent nav skills and you'll still fly faster than 1000 m/s - permanently with out the armor rep running), a tight 2-3km orbit with this running makes it very hard to track you (unless you're webbed in which case you gtfo!). - Warp Scram. - X5 Webifier - best bang for buck here.
Lows: - Gyrostabilizer II - gotta get some damage eh? - Damage Control - unnamed T1 is OK for cost savings. - Small armor rep - a couple cycles will keep you alive long enough to deal with drones.
A MWD will allow you to pull away from a web - but it kills your tracking, and your cap. There may be situations where speed would be more important however. I'm a fan of how the AB allows you to fly fast when you raid someone's mission in deadspace...
You could swap out the armor rep for an overdrive or even a nano if you really don't want to tank (I find the ship to be highly agile as it is though so I opt for the OD).
Damage control gives you some spare hitpoints to finish the job or GTFO, without compromising speed like plates do. Remember a frigate's greatest strengths are speed and small size - this setup allows some minor tanking without losing speed or agility.
Good luck!
__________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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Ceirwan S
Racketeers Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.22 18:32:00 -
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Personally i use: (All T1)
Highs: 3x 150mm AC (EMP Ammo) If you have decent tracking skills go with 200mm 1x Small Nos
Medium: 1x Warp Scram 1x Webber 1x Either 1MN AB or 1MN MWD
Lows: 2x Cap power relay 1x Small armour repper.
You can leave the repper on indefinately with decentish skills. The webbers a big help if a miner has drones, lock and scram and nos the miner, web and orbit the drones. Make sure when you destroy it you don't accidently get to far from the miner and let him warp.
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Manipulator
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Posted - 2008.01.22 20:24:00 -
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You'd probably like this:Griefmatic
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0710/griefmatic.wmv
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Salliene
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.01.22 20:41:00 -
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Anyone mind if I ask why AutoCannons instead of Blasters at such close range? I thought ACs where for mid to long range fights and the blasters were for close in fights like this setup seems to be going for?
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Maeltstome
Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.22 20:45:00 -
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Birth of a Pirate
I hadn't been playing eve long, but decided to pirate. Includes rifter and jaguar mainly. enjoy -------
[12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF |
Nova Blackadder
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Posted - 2008.01.30 22:09:00 -
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Denu, follow Flashes advice. He's a long time pro and knows what he's talking about.
As far setting up a rifter I feel I know this ship very well. I've been pirating in it exclusively for almost 6 months. I can count on 1 finger how many rifter vs. other frig I've lost since getting T2 guns, and an update to the fitting after a patch(explained later). Like others have said, if you're smart about it, you can take down larger ships too by sizing up your opponents and figuring your odds.
My suggestions: - Equip T2 guns asap. Yes its more expensive but the way I see it you can fit your ships to compete in a fight, or you can equip your ships to win a fight.
- Drop the nos. In my opinion it's an outdated fixture on a rifter. Shortly after the nos nerf I noted I lost 2 ships while having a nos equiped. Get a rocket launcher and train up those skills. I killed a 2 year old PvP vet who still equiped a nos on his rifter, while my rocket launcher was ripping his hull to shreds. Plus the added damage from it helps to shorten the fight. In a rifter your not pillar durability so take down your opponents quickly, loot, and get to a safe spot. - Use a 7.5 scrambler. Its a double edged sword that eeks out in the end. It's pro's are it takes less cap than 20km (so more reps with an armor repairer), and if your target is warp stabbed you've got a better shot at keeping him around. The con is obvious, range.
- Equip a web for taking out pesky drones and against your targets. Some people suggest using a MWD, but IMHO thats way too demanding for this frig and you have to sacrifice in other areas. Equip an AB would be my suggestion.
- As noted above your not designed to absorb a lot of damage. Matter of fact a stock rifter is nearly paper thin. Put on a 200mm plate (rolled reinforced Tung), small armor repairer (named or T2) and whatever in the last low slot. I'd suggest a gyro for extra punch.
The rifter is a great little ship that many older pirates still love to fly, so that should tell you something.
NB
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hellsknights
RennTech SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.30 22:12:00 -
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A rifter in PVP, it can't be done......
BTW just do a quick search for "rifter for solo pvp".
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Dalen III
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.01.30 22:27:00 -
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I'm forum banned on my main but pretty much rifter yar while getting all my support skills up. Go for frigs/dessie/bad cruisers. You can take a very few bad BC as well but theres always a chance he's not to much a nub and fits a web. Since your trying to make money it means you need to fly cheap. So what I did was compare Rens prices and used EFT to compare benefits. I came up with this setup that works wonders.
3x150 T2 AC's 539,997 1xMalkuth Rocket 5,000 1xLangour Web 27,697 1xCold Gas AB 40,000 1xFleeting Scram 29,000 1xDCU1 8,900 1x200mm Tungsten 169,999 1xSmall Repper T2 399,000 Total=1,219,593 isk
On a side note I've moved from Rifters to Dessie because I found I could outfit a ship for same price and take down much more. Don't blame me, blame the main I'm supporting. |
Feilamya
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Posted - 2008.01.31 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Blackadder - Drop the nos. In my opinion it's an outdated fixture on a rifter. Shortly after the nos nerf I noted I lost 2 ships while having a nos equiped. Get a rocket launcher and train up those skills. I killed a 2 year old PvP vet who still equiped a nos on his rifter, while my rocket launcher was ripping his hull to shreds. Plus the added damage from it helps to shorten the fight. In a rifter your not a pillar of durability so take down your opponents quickly, loot, and get to a safe spot.
I don't see how the nos nerf is a reason to drop it in a Rifter fitting. The purpose of the nos is not to kill the cap of your target. One small nos is simply not enough for that and probably never was. The whole point of fitting a nos is to keep your own cap from running dry.
After flying Rifters for a while, I've come to the conclusion that there are (at least) two general directions in which you can go with the way you fit it, fly it and pick your targets (you can mix the two or try something completely different, but it helps to have an idea of what you are doing and what you are aiming at):
- Bleeder: Fit a nos on the 4th high and a cap power relay in the 3rd low (maybe only one of both). Go for bigger targets, such as cruisers. Tank them until their cap runs dry, then you win. Doesn't work always, but gets you nice loot or opportunities to ransom. There's more ISK in cruisers than there is in frigs. Avoid other frigs, because if they are fitted for max damage, they will most likely kill you. (You can't tank the DPS of another Rifter. Damage output and HP decide who wins in such a 1vs1, and the Bleeder clearly fails at both)
- Max Damage: Fit 200mm ACs and a rocket launcher in the highs and a gyro in the lows. Fit a plate or damage control to get some HP buffer and/or resists. I personally like the fitting, Omarvelous posted in this thread. Go for targets you can kill fast or that can't hit you at all, as you can't tank damage forever. Or fly in a gang.
In a 1vs1, a damage fitted Rifter usually kills a Bleeder. But what's the point of blowing up other frigates? Okay, maybe you are just after some pewpew and nice fights. As a pirate, however, you might have different priorities. Popping frigs means high risk vs. low reward. Popping cruisers means high risk vs. high reward, so the choice is obvious. As for "nice 1vs1 fights", I usually prefer looking back at them over looking for them.
(If you think that even cruisers are no lucrative targets, then don't pirate in a Rifter and get a real ship instead. Or make sure you find an undefended Hulk with crappy drone skills. good luck, u will need it!)
If you like the Bleeder, you might also take a look at the Punisher. Think of it as a Rifter that is slower, has no slot for a web, tanks better and does slightly less damage. You can (and should) fit autocannons on it, so it's basically a Minmatar ship that looks more shiny (i.e. if you can fly a Rifter, you can almost fly a Punisher). The lack of web and tracking bonus (Rifter has tracking bonus, right?) makes it less good at killing drones...
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