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Shinjin Malvek Amarr Genesis Accord Blood and Steel	Posted - 2008.01.22 15:03:00 - [1] I started to log on this morning and stoped to read the article about pirates. I got down to the part where it started talking about ransom, this part "Ransom is also a practice that pirates engage in. In a ransom scenario, the pirate estimates the cost of the ship, the experience level of the pilot (to determine if the capsuleer may have expensive cranial implants or valuable fitted equipment), and arrives at a figure." I have to say that most pirates I've ever encountered that attempted to ransom me were either bad at math, bad at estimation or all of the above lol and thats if they even bother. I remeber the very first time someone tried to ransom me about a year ago. I had been playing for a few days and was in an Imicus with 4 mining lasers on in a .4 system snaging some of that nifty looking Jaspet when all of the sudden here comes a pirate in a Vexor (Big looking ship to my newbish self ) he scrams me and then demands, I laugh every time I think of this,10 mil ISK. I have to ask why would anyone be out in a belt in an imicus with 4 miner 1's on if they had 10 mil to spare? 5 maybe if your lucky. I know I was in a hurry to upgrade to that snappy new Catalyst so I could fit more miners to it, so I could rake in that ore just a lil faster to be able to afford a cruiser lol. Any way I said LOL go ahead and blow it up, like it was worth that much I've seen several instances where a guy would get his ship blown up and it was really easy to see that he was a new player in a cruiser or some such and wouldn't have jack on his ship yet but very possibly might have a couple mil at least in his wallet saving up for better mods or a better ship but a ransom offer is never made.. and the module drop probably wasn't worth the ammo spent. Seems to me Pirates are a lazy lot or just so hungry for a kill they don't bother trying to get the most out of their victims. Note: This is not a whine. I have few problems with pirates any more, I just thought it was kinda funny. I would be pleased if you could share your ransom stories here and if possible put down the names of any pirates that actually made a fair ransom demand and honored it. I think those pirates that do deserve some respect even if at the time it wasn't the highlight of the game for you.
Desh Craven	Posted - 2008.01.22 17:42:00 - [2] Edited by: Desh Craven on 22/01/2008 17:45:40 Edited by: Desh Craven on 22/01/2008 17:43:55 I'm a new player, but i've got my own share of "Pirates" too so far. When i started i did read the introduction about good "old fashioned" piratism - and boy was i in for a suprise. The first 4-5 encounters with so called pirates included opening fire without any communication attemp. Now one can only understand when eventually i ran into 11 ship camp at Passari - must have been about a week ago, and did i laugh my ass off when the ebil piwate announced his price to let my empty Badger II go: 20M ISK. Somehow at that point i got the image of Dr. Evil in my mind yelling "One hundred billion dollars!". After i finally got back on my chair and dried my eyes i told the guy to fire at will. Didn't bother to lecture him about ship values and "reasonable ransom", since it would have probably taken more time than i wanted to spend. I'll be amazed if i actually run into a proper pirate one day. Would like to see more of them tho. I'd rather pay small ransom than get blown to bits. But i sure as hell won't pay 20 times my ships value.
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2008.01.22 17:45:00 - [3] I would have to agree. In fact last night I was bumping around low sec with a small gang, we tangled with some -10s and came out on the losing end. They popped one of our guys, and proceeded to ransom his pod for 100mil. Now that might be understandable if hed been playing since launch, but he was only about 2 months old and it seems rather silly to assume that he would have anywhere approaching 100mil invested in his clone or implants. In all the confusion I forgot who it was, if you know who you are I say well played, but seriously WTF did you guys come up with that number? Heck Ive been here since 2004 and my best implant set is only worth like 25 million...but then again Im a total cheapskate. A couple years ago I myself was ransomed, in a maller for something like 3 million isk. As I recall I didnt pay because I was fitted really, really cheaply (do you see a trend here?) but that would qualify as a fair ransom. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Clever Drake Minmatar Joint Operations	Posted - 2008.01.22 17:46:00 - [4] A buddy in my corp came up with a great ransom idea. He said he wanted to ransom someone by asking them a question. If they got it right, they live. But if they got it wrong, they died. I lol'd.
Tchell Dahhn Amarr Deny Reality	Posted - 2008.01.22 17:54:00 - [5] I think you may be missing some valuable points about pirates and their ransoms. Many pirates do not scan your ship before attacking, so they have no way to know you've got an "empty Badger II". Usually, they assume that if you're foolish enough to be traveling through losec with an unprotected hauler, you have some reason for being there... ...possibly, something valuable. As to the 'age' of your character - today, this makes little to no difference, as people are starting out with big ships and big bankrolls, thanks to RL ISK sellers. Then, once they get past your ship, pirates are usually concerned with scramming your pod, as this is where the real ransom can be made. Somebody with 10mil+ in implants will usually jump at the chance to keep them, rather than have to shell out every time they find themselves in a clone.
Lord Evangelian Gallente LEAP Corp	Posted - 2008.01.22 17:55:00 - [6] When and if I randsom (LEAPC are respectable players not pirates), I go by the ship, so if some one is in a incursus, I woudl say 500K lol or just pop them, if they are in a Brutix 25M ISK, if its a BS then I say 100M ISK. If they cant pay they shouldnt be in it in my eyes. PS: We only ransom war targets and pirates... --------------------
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.22 17:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Clever Drake A buddy in my corp came up with a great ransom idea. He said he wanted to ransom someone by asking them a question. If they got it right, they live. But if they got it wrong, they died. I lol'd. I know what you're thinkin', punk. You're thinkin': "Did he fire six shots, or only five?" Now to tell you the truth, I've forgotten myself in all this excitement. But bein' this is a 720mm artillery cannon, and it'll blow your pod to bits, you've got to ask yourself a question. What is the average airspeed of a fully-laden swallow? ________________
PhantomVyper Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:00:00 - [8] Edited by: PhantomVyper on 22/01/2008 18:01:40 Originally by: Desh Craven Edited by: Desh Craven on 22/01/2008 17:49:03 Edited by: Desh Craven on 22/01/2008 17:45:40 Edited by: Desh Craven on 22/01/2008 17:43:55 I'm a new player, but i've got my own share of "Pirates" too so far. When i started i did read the introduction about good "old fashioned" piratism - and boy was i in for a suprise. The first 4-5 encounters with so called pirates included opening fire without any communication attemp. Now one can only understand i was a bit excited when eventually i ran into 11 ship camp at Passari (about a week ago) and comm screen appeared, and did i laugh my ass off when the ebil piwate announced his price to let my empty Badger II go: 20M ISK. Somehow at that point i got the image of Dr. Evil in my mind yelling "One hundred billion dollars!". After i finally got back on my chair and dried my eyes i told the guy to fire at will. Didn't bother to lecture him about ship values and "reasonable ransom", since it would have probably taken more time than i wanted to spend. I'll be amazed if i actually run into a proper pirate one day. Would like to see more of them tho. I'd rather pay small ransom than get blown to bits. But i sure as hell won't pay 20 times my ships value. You do realize that the pirates in question probably had no idea that you where empty... You could be full to the brim with faction loot, in wich case the 20 mill would be a very sweet deal for you! Also, my own ransom-gone-bad story! I was flying around in my friendly low-sec neighbourhood when some guy starts talking in local that he wants a 1v1 against anyone and that any takers can go to planet X. I warp to the planet and find him there in a Brutix, wich I proceed to scramble, web and reduce to low hull. I offer him a 20 mill ransom (wich I believe is the fair ransom for a T1 BC with T2 mods), wich he accepts, so I let him go on his way. Since I have to go I dock in the station and log. A few hours later, I'm checking the alliance boards and I see that this guy managed to get killed by one of our alliance gangs. Imagine my surprise when I check the modules destroyed / dropped and find out that he had a wholle crapload of faction mods!
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:00:00 - [9] "Ransom is also a practice that pirates engage in. In a ransom scenario, the pirate estimates the cost of the ship, the experience level of the pilot (to determine if the capsuleer may have expensive cranial implants or valuable fitted equipment), and arrives at a figure." Pretty accurate. It's a bit of an art form getting the price tag right. General guide for pods (for me anyway): <2 weeks=Trial or new. Probably +1's. I don't usually attack these. Unless they are flying a BC or something equally amusing. >2weeks-2 months=New...possible isk alt/learning clone...+3's...add 50 mill to ship. >2 months-1 year=Alt or main. +4's or higher. add minimum 100 mill to ship. >1 year=Alt or main. May have souped up implants. Varies by age but no less than 150 mill added to ship cost. There are variations. Specialty pilots (Vagabond, CS, etc) may have billions of ISK implanted. Sky is the limit. If you don't ask...you dont' get right . Due to certain conditions ransoms may not be offered: In 0.0...forget it (boom...pod..scoop loot...run). On a gate in losec...depends on circumstances. Yelling "I'll pay" prior to decloaking is a smart move. Sentry aggro is a headache so no guarantees on a ransom offer. FC gets hinky about local spiking or possible delay tactics from victim...ship gets shot down and pod ransomed (or popped if short range shows inbounds). This is normal belt/solo. The corps that honor ransoms are pretty well known. At least listen to the offer-circumstances permitting negotiation is always possible . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Dromidas Shadowmoon Minmatar 54th Knights Templar Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:04:00 - [10] Lol, only time I was ever ransomed was about my 5th or 6th day playing, and I was ransomed like 3 mil or something, which I didn't have, but the hilarious part was he tried ransoming people LESS THAN TWO WEEKS OLD which of course you can't transfer isk because its a trial account. lol :) _______________________________________________ Minmatar will always go faster than you, get over it.

Lord Evangelian Gallente LEAP Corp	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:06:00 - [11] Veto are honourable....you guys are nice gentlemen :) --------------------
Dalen III Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:11:00 - [12] This morning I jumped 6 months old toon that was belt yarring. Killed his ship then ransomed his pod. He whined long enuff for another ship to come and try to add on the fight. I pod'd him and barelly got away. This person told me over and over how stupid I was for not ransoming his not worth crap after insurance trasher. I very politely offered a extremely cheap and fair price of 5mil for his pod. He should at the very least in low sec at 6 moths have atleast that much in implants in his pod. If you don't why even care if you get pod'd? P.S. My main is Corstaad Don't blame me, blame the main I'm supporting.
Disco Flint The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:12:00 - [13] Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn Originally by: Clever Drake A buddy in my corp came up with a great ransom idea. He said he wanted to ransom someone by asking them a question. If they got it right, they live. But if they got it wrong, they died. I lol'd. I know what you're thinkin', punk. You're thinkin': "Did he fire six shots, or only five?" Now to tell you the truth, I've forgotten myself in all this excitement. But bein' this is a 720mm artillery cannon, and it'll blow your pod to bits, you've got to ask yourself a question. What is the average airspeed of a fully-laden swallow? What do you mean, an African or European swallow? And it's a hilariously great idea.
Desh Craven	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn Originally by: Clever Drake A buddy in my corp came up with a great ransom idea. He said he wanted to ransom someone by asking them a question. If they got it right, they live. But if they got it wrong, they died. I lol'd. I know what you're thinkin', punk. You're thinkin': "Did he fire six shots, or only five?" Now to tell you the truth, I've forgotten myself in all this excitement. But bein' this is a 720mm artillery cannon, and it'll blow your pod to bits, you've got to ask yourself a question. What is the average airspeed of a fully-laden swallow? What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Disco Flint What do you mean, an African or European swallow? And it's a hilariously great idea. I agree, any funny or creative ransom idea is made of pure win. It's not only more fun for pirates, but more fun for the pirated as well. Having to make a banjo out of ramen noodle packages is actually memorable and a lot more entertaining than getting this convo: "kk i spar ur pod for 20mil isk pl0x". ________________
Dalen III Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:18:00 - [16] Its extremely funny though when I try to ransom russians. I haven't been able to get thru the langauge gap :). Don't blame me, blame the main I'm supporting.
MenanceWhite Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:22:00 - [17] Usually, it's just random people "practicing" pvp shooting random other people. I don't really think they care about a few extra mills of isk, since not everyones like branko or so - who does pirating to actually earn money. --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
PhantomVyper Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:27:00 - [18] Originally by: MenanceWhite Usually, it's just random people "practicing" pvp shooting random other people. I don't really think they care about a few extra mills of isk, since not everyones like branko or so - who does pirating to actually earn money. Its not just that. Most ppl won't accept the ransom anyway, even if it is a fair one, and just start smacking you the minute you open the convo! Also, every extra second that you spend in that belt ransoming someone is another chance for help / competition to arrive, and sudenly you just became the prey instead of the predator! So most times, its not worth the risk / bother to try and ransom someone, you might as well just kill them, loot the wreck and run away.
Dalen III Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:30:00 - [19] Also as a pirate I understand the value of ransom because when the day comes that I hit a lag spike, I want ransom not just a random podding. Don't blame me, blame the main I'm supporting.
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing	Posted - 2008.01.22 18:55:00 - [20] All too noobish... Now this is a proper ransom ---

Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.22 19:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Clever Drake A buddy in my corp came up with a great ransom idea. He said he wanted to ransom someone by asking them a question. If they got it right, they live. But if they got it wrong, they died. I lol'd. Oh, I am so doing this! "He who approaches the gate of death must answer me these questions 3" () () (â;..;)â (")(")
Delichon Caldari The First Foundation Stella Polar	Posted - 2008.01.22 19:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Dalen III Its extremely funny though when I try to ransom russians. I haven't been able to get thru the langauge gap :). Use the following line: "Vash korabl zaskramblen, vasha sudba reshena. Perechislite na moy shet {XXX amount of isk} ili vi budete unichtogeni." I can give you a short list of possible responces, too bad the translations will probably fail to pass the profanity filter ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. Next time they are going to nerf you directly. Eve Forums.
zoltar Caldari Perdu Opus	Posted - 2008.01.22 20:16:00 - [23] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: Clever Drake A buddy in my corp came up with a great ransom idea. He said he wanted to ransom someone by asking them a question. If they got it right, they live. But if they got it wrong, they died. I lol'd. Oh, I am so doing this! "He who approaches the gate of death must answer me these questions 3" Get the first question wrong, down goes your shields.. Second question wrong, no more armor.. Third queston wrong.... pop
OwlManAtt Gallente Yaasashii Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.22 20:41:00 - [24] Ransom gone wrong? My buddy and I are mining in .6 space. Azure plag, massive scrod. You know, cheap stuff. My friend is hauling for me in his Badger MK II, and I'm slapping the 'roids around with an Exequror (it's a sentimental thing; my fondest memories of the days of Gemini involved me mining with a bunch of friends in Exequrors). Somebody yellow warps in to the belt, followed by an Iteron. I assume the Iteron is his alt. Having recently returned to EVE after a four year break, I pull the details for the yellow bloke up: it's a Crow (this whole T2 thing is new to me, so I'm not sure what to think at this point ;)). It looks like a nasty piece of work, but I'm still flying a cruiser and he's in a dinky little crow. So, this Crow and an Iteron start orbiting us. My friend pops the can we have open (one veldspar, since it's a system near Jita and the canspam is so bad that I can't even anchor my own GSC for transferring to the hauler; come on guys, can you clean up after yourselves?) because the best thing we can do in that setup to fend off ore thieves is to bore them to death. The Crow opens a convo with me. I get kind of excited; nobody seems to open convos any more. He asks me "How much do you value your ship?". At this point, he's -just- orbiting us. No warp scrambling (it is .6, remember), nothing else nasty looking. A little crow. I shrug and tell my friend to warp off, then I warp off. Me: The ship that just safely docked? Oh, about four million - these things are pretty worthless these days. Him: :-( I'm told that warping away wasn't necessary. It's a Crow and I'm in a cruiser. CONCORD would have donked him before he even cut through my shields. Oh well. Just...poor form. The ore thieves are more fun to deal with. --- SVP OwlManAtt, Yasashii Syndicate
Latex Underwear	Posted - 2008.01.22 21:07:00 - [25] Anybody who actually pays a ransom is an idiot and deserves to be repeatedly ganked. Never give a pirate free isk. Make them work for it; make them take the sec hit; and make them groan over the destroyed mods.
Merakys Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.01.22 21:08:00 - [26] My only ransom to date (on my old toon, tho) was to M-D-K in a 0.4 system. I jumped into their gate camp as they were attacking someone else.. I had a "stupid noob" moment and warped to a planet instead of a SS because I was already aligned to it. Yes, I was stupid and warped to the planet 0, and yes, they were about 2 seconds behind me. I was in a pretty expensive Ferox missioning setup (Arby launchers, Prototype rails and everything else T2), probably worth 100m or so at the time. They ransomed it for 35m, which I paid just 'cause I didn't want to go through fitting a new ship. They were pretty decent for pirates tho, remote rep'd my hull and armor after I paid.
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.22 21:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Latex Underwear Anybody who actually pays a ransom is an idiot and deserves to be repeatedly ganked. I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH YOUR HYPERBOLE, SIR OR MADAM! ********************** If I'm familiar with a pirate's reputation, or that of his or her corporation, and consider them to be honorable and sporting (within reason of course, they're pirates), I'll gladly pay a fair ransom. Not that I've ever been ransomed before. ________________
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.22 21:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Latex Underwear Never give a pirate free isk. Make them work for it; make them take the sec hit; and make them groan over the destroyed mods. What do I care about a sec hit? And destroyed mods? I destroy every ship anyway, only ransom pods, this is a common practice. Let's put it this way, there's some people running around with some pretty expensive implants these days, if you're a two year old char I might only ask for 50,000,000- that's nothing compared to the cost of a set of Crystals. Just because you have nothing to lose doesn't mean everyone else wants to throw away several hundred million isk in impants over a silly 50 mil ransom to a guy who, despite piracy, is a good guy, basically. /makes fart noise
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.01.22 21:55:00 - [29] You're thinking that pirates should act that way, do math, figure out what ship you have, do an evaluation, then go for a price that you're likely to pay, but the thing is, they don't have time to do all that. The more you sit around, try to haggle, try to delay, the more time you have to call in friends. Or, they are under pressure to tank those sentry guns, and are taking damage while you "chat". So, basically, instead of trying to maximize their chances with YOU, they just try to maximize their average chances, so that out of 10 haulers that pass through, they can get, say, 5 to pay. Whether or not you're one of the 5 they couldn't care less, you're a statistic.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:58:00 - [30] Originally by: Latex Underwear Anybody who actually pays a ransom is an idiot and deserves to be repeatedly ganked. Never give a pirate free isk. Make them work for it; make them take the sec hit; and make them groan over the destroyed mods. that -10 -> -10 really hurts most 's although groaning over lost mods like one kill with a pithi a type medium shield booster and pith x type shield boost amp both going pop is no fun (although his nighthawk tanked less damage than most drakes )



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