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MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:05:00 - [1] 2008.01.22 23:04 Heretic Army has declared war on Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. Screen flashes from black to MirrorGod, putting on a black leather trench coat accented with blood red trimmings. Cam-bot follows him into the stations hallway as he leaves the room ...but God doesn't exist, and the idea of any emperor is laughable. So I think it's time for the bullet in the head of the god-warriors known as "PIE". I've been watching the summit as I tend to do. Gal/Cald loyalists rabble over who's more dedicated, injustices and quarterly averages. Charities. Toasters. Archbishop had a nice sermon about resting, self-renewal and all that. If you're wondering why you lost that Armageddon, well, I wasn't there, but I've got a pretty good idea. You pigs from PIE are a bunch of tired old men, toting around a tired old faith that teaches hate and bigotry and oppression and burning and pain and fire and brimstone and no pudding if you don't eat all your vegtables. But I don't need to be all negative. We've been doing some resting, self-renewal, yeah. Heretic Army has been on vacation. Deklien, Pure Blind, Lonetrek, Metroplis, Heimetar, we've been getting around. Do we deserve a rest? Maybe, maybe not. Either way, we had the ISK to do it, and in the land where cash is King... MirrorGod spits in disgust, then laughs it off and lights a black cigarette. He continues walking on the overpass toward the docking bays ...But now we're back to business...and our business is the death of oppression, the slavery, the bigotry; Our business is a knife in the back of the corruption that you worship. We've got reasons. We're doing this for those in chains. We're doing this for the pretty explosions. Drug-addled, wild as the devil your mother warned you about, and in control of all the right military grade explosives and weaponry; We're coming to Amarr Prime. The screen flickers black followed by the Heretic logo which fades as the comm cuts ------------------------------------------ I see all the Young Believers, your target audience... And I see all the Old Deceivers...We all just sing their song!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:08:00 - [2] Raygnute to skafos! Diafthayrete ton khalkon! Raygnute to skafos! Apalasete ta endon! En towi deonti En towi deonti Exaitaysthow hay dikay! Raygnute to skafos! Raygnute to skafos! Exaitaysthow hay dikay! Raygnute to skafos! Raygnute to skafos! En towi deonti En towi deonti Exaitaysthow hay dikay! Raygnute to skafos! Raygnute to skafos! Exaitaysthow hay dikay! Raygnute to skafos! Raygnute to skafos! Foolaxoosa ta haymetera tekna en tayi nukti Kai kataxoosa awta ays to fos. Raygnute to skafos! Diafthayrete ton khalkon! Raygnute to skafos! Apalasete ta endon! Ta astra awton genestho melana! Hoi filoi genesthon melanes! Apothanonton hoi stratiotai Hupo ooranowi haimatoenti! Ha kalista elpizoosi Daynotatoi foboi genesthon! Kai ho anemos psukhros pneon Ta ostea ays konin metabaleto! Aiay erizontes! Aiay zeytoontes! Pantes ewtukhoontes! Ooden faydomenoi! Raygnute to skafos! Raygnute to skafos! En towi deonti En towi deonti Exaitaysthow hay dikay! Raygnute to skafos! Raygnute to skafos! Exaitaysthow hay dikay! Raygnute to skafos! Raygnute to skafos! Aiay erizontes! Aiay zeytoontes! Pantes ewtukhoontes! Ooden faydomenoi! Raygnute to skafos! Raygnute to skafos! Ooden faydomenoi! Raygnute to skafos! Raygnute to skafos! Ooden faydomenoi! Raygnute to skafos! Diafthayrete ton khalkon! Raygnute to skafos! Apalasete ta endon! Raygnute to skafos! Raygnute to skafos! ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:22:00 - [3] With some of the finest pilots in the galaxy, good friends and more importantly god on their side I am sure PIE are not even a tiny bit worried. Preemptive Amarr Victor. Epitoth Fleetyards is Recruiting
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:23:00 - [4] Originally by: Grr With some of the finest pilots in the galaxy, good friends and more importantly god on their side I am sure PIE are not even a tiny bit worried. Preemptive Amarr Victor. Overconfidence is the midwife of defeat. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:24:00 - [5] We are merely humble servants of God. To refer to us as "God" in your title about "War on God" implies we think of ourselves as more. You are mistaken in that assumption. While there are certainly organizations that believe it's members to be "God's" we of PIE are not one of them I assure you. But you will learn what every other organization has learned throughout the years of warfare with the oldest Amarrian pilot organization. We are eternal because we know our place and our duty. Enemies come and go and in the end nothing has changed. Servants of God and Empire. Faithful to the cause above all else. Loyal supporter of the righteous. We are PIE. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS
Yendaj Minmatar Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Grr With some of the finest pilots in the galaxy, good friends and more importantly god on their side I am sure PIE are not even a tiny bit worried. Preemptive Amarr Victor. I'm afraid their imaginary friend in the sky is on vacation. But that's okay, I like when my enemies depend on factors that don't exist to save them, it's neato.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:32:00 - [7] Originally by: Archbishop We are merely humble servants of God. To call yourself humble is to call a gas giant small. Amarrians have, purely out of their own greed and no other reason, claimed the entire cosmos as theirs. They have claimed ownership over the heavens themselves, thinly veiling it with their lies of God. This is the ultimate act of hubris. Originally by: Archbishop To refer to us as "God" in your title about "War on God" implies we think of ourselves as more. You are mistaken in that assumption. While there are certainly organizations that believe it's members to be "God's" we of PIE are not one of them I assure you. You are Amarrian Imperial Loyalists. You have the audacity to assume that an infinetely powerful, infinitely wise being would choose you as his servants - you have the arrogance to call yourselves the agents of God on this plane. Originally by: Archbishop But you will learn what every other organization has learned throughout the years of warfare with the oldest Amarrian pilot organization. We are eternal because we know our place and our duty. Enemies come and go and in the end nothing has changed. Four years is hardly eternal. Originally by: Archbishop Servants of God and Empire. Faithful to the cause above all else. Loyal supporter of the righteous. We are PIE. Archbishop Servants of no-one. Faithful to the cause of freedom. Loyal supporter of our brothers. We are ANTI. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:09:00 - [8] THE FIRST CASUALTY OF THE WAR! Scant minutes after war was declared, my NeoCom interface flashed to life with a trade request from Merdaneth. He offered me a Pax Amarria, apparently in good faith. To show him that no good deed goes unrewarded, I decided that I should, with all due haste, allow the book to meet with its Creator. I immedietely had the automated cargo assignment system load the Pax Amarria into my ship, alongside the phial of a certain substance I had recently acquired, and undocked. Quote: Andreus Ixiris > Medaneth, please undock and allow me to show you what I intend to do with your kind gift. As I undocked, my IFF interface displayed that the Naqam pilot Kostantin Mort was waiting outside in a Myrmidon. Despite my recent... disagreements with Naqam, I decided that I could at least momentarily bury the hatchet and invite him to join with us. Quote: Andreus Ixiris > Kostantin, would you like to join us in a book burning? Kostantin Mort > I don't indulge in mindless empty rituals Andreus Ixiris > Presumably you don't like daytime TV either then The Pax Amarria in my cargo hold. After acheiving a safe distance from the station so that the automated defence systems would not think I was training my guns on the station. I noticed as I was getting into position that Merdaneth had also undocked in an assault frigate and was under attack. However, by the time I had correctly jetisoned the book into a cargo container, he was gone again. The Pax Amarria in space. After a brief pause, myself and fellow pilot JonBob opened fire on the container. The Pax Amarria's regretable end. God rest ye, Amarrian propaganda. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:21:00 - [9] Well done you have successfully destroyed a book. I wonder, if you were serious about declaring war on god why stop at just one paramilitary corp and not include others. Seems to me nobody ever has the guts to take on Vigilia Valeria. Epitoth Fleetyards is Recruiting
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:26:00 - [10] Well of course I destroyed a book. Due to needless CONCORD bureaucracy, wars that have been rightfully declared and recognised for some unfathomable reason take a full 24 hours to become "active", allowing for hostilities, so there wasn't much else we could do today than exchange harsh language (good at that though I am). As for VV... what exactly is it you do again? ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:07:00 - [11] Curious way of doing war, attacking a book. Mr MirrorGod, if you are so sure of declaring war on God, why attack a book that is not holly at all? Though many seek the wisdom in the words written in the Pax Amarria, it is in no way part of the Scriptures. In a sense, it was like burning any other book... Ordo Quaesitoris Forum Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.01.23 02:22:00 - [12] Edited by: Avel Kereka on 23/01/2008 02:22:20 Originally by: MirrorGod ... burning and pain and fire and brimstone and no pudding if you don't eat all your vegtables. Somehow, Mr. Black-Leather-Trenchcoat-Heretic-Rebel-Smoking-a-Black-Cigarette, I think you'll be eating vegetables very soon.
Chief Librarian Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.23 03:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Sepherim Curious way of doing war, attacking a book. Mr MirrorGod, if you are so sure of declaring war on God, why attack a book that is not holly at all? Though many seek the wisdom in the words written in the Pax Amarria, it is in no way part of the Scriptures. In a sense, it was like burning any other book... My Lord I believe that for some "ignorance is bliss" is a personal motto, in this case by being ignorant of the true "religious" or "holy" value of the Pax Amarria. Its worth noting that book burning is considered quite barbaric and "ignorant" in most if not all civilized societies
Atomos Darksun Havoc Inc Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.23 04:02:00 - [14] Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 23/01/2008 04:04:01 War on god. Okay. God created Amarr, right? So if the Amarr exist that proves that God exists. God cannot prove he exists because prove denies faith and without faith he is nothing. By proving he exists he therefore does not. QED ----- They've gone to PLAID!!
Carth Merrol	Posted - 2008.01.23 04:05:00 - [15] May the pigs of PIE die and fall to their rightful place - hell. Victory to Heretic Army. Victory to justice.
MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.23 04:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Sepherim Curious way of doing war, attacking a book. Mr MirrorGod, if you are so sure of declaring war on God, why attack a book that is not holly at all? Though many seek the wisdom in the words written in the Pax Amarria, it is in no way part of the Scriptures. In a sense, it was like burning any other book... Well that was really Andreus's things, good looks to him really. He received it as a "gift" from one of the pigs and did the right thing. I'll be honest, I just laughed as I heard it over comms. For a book that doesn't truely represent the faith it really did get you guys going. Me? Well I personally use the scriptures as rolling paper for a few fine substances, it's good stuff. Originally by: Atomos Darksun Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 23/01/2008 04:04:01 War on god. Okay. God created Amarr, right? So if the Amarr exist that proves that God exists. God cannot prove he exists because prove denies faith and without faith he is nothing. By proving he exists he therefore does not. QED As a wise man showed me long ago, it is a very simple art to Kill God. It's done in one very smooth stab. All you really have to do is realize; accept, if you will, that god is nothing more than a lie. An idea that the rich use to control the poor. Once you've done that you're well on your way to freedom of mind. ------------------------------------------ I see all the Young Believers, your target audience... And I see all the Old Deceivers...We all just sing their song!
Mad Scorpion Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.01.23 04:40:00 - [17] Hey Andreus; We Ushra'Khan use the Pax Amaria in the loo. Perfect place for it. Hehehe Mad Scorpion
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.01.23 04:53:00 - [18] Bah, I won't let those rags annywhere near my posterior anymore. They're printed with cheap ink that bleeds off the instant it comes in contact with anything remotely damp. Last time I used it to wipe myself I had the word of god printed on my butt for a week. Can't use it for kindling, either; the fumes are toxic. War against PIE, you say? Only one response to that: Amarr Explodor! -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today!
Darth Sage Amarr En-Slavers	Posted - 2008.01.23 05:42:00 - [19] Edited by: Darth Sage on 23/01/2008 05:44:26 You wish to fight praetoria imperialis excubitoris alliance that is just stupidity, even i would not wish to cross the founders of the cva. neither you nor i are yet ready to take on such well diciplined and truely awe as inspiring pilots as these missguided pilots....yesss! ______________________________ En-Slavers we follow the true path of the sani sabik...
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.01.23 06:16:00 - [20] Um. You people do realize that the Pax Amarria is probably the most liberal piece of quasi-religious text to be widely published in Amarr space in centuries? Granted, it doesn't really go far enough to suit the rest of us, but if it's change you're after, wiping with or vaporizing the text is a little like specifically seeking out the guy on the other side who most nearly agrees with you (while still being on the other side in more than name) and kicking him in the face. Good way to encourage change? Not so much. Aria Jenneth Director Ghost Festival
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.23 06:45:00 - [21] For once, it's gonna be great to see PIE doing the baking. I never thought I'd say this, but good luck in beating these halfwits into the ground. The only things worse than Amarr loyalists are the idiots the twisted side of the Empire produces from hate and religious extremism. Oh, if any of the Sansha loyalists happen to turn up though, please die. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
Hoggs Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.23 06:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Darth Sage Edited by: Darth Sage on 23/01/2008 05:44:26 You wish to fight praetoria imperialis excubitoris alliance that is just stupidity, even i would not wish to cross the founders of the cva. neither you nor i are yet ready to take on such well diciplined and truely awe as inspiring pilots as these missguided pilots....yesss! Well of course your corp has no chance against them. You failed to land even one round of ammo on our corp when you waged war against us. Also, don't compare your corporation's ability to fight to ours. It's insulting.
Garion Avarr Amarr Zero Zero Traders	Posted - 2008.01.23 08:13:00 - [23] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Um. You people do realize that the Pax Amarria is probably the most liberal piece of quasi-religious text to be widely published in Amarr space in centuries? Granted, it doesn't really go far enough to suit the rest of us, but if it's change you're after, wiping with or vaporizing the text is a little like specifically seeking out the guy on the other side who most nearly agrees with you (while still being on the other side in more than name) and kicking him in the face. Good way to encourage change? Not so much. Really, the actions of a lot the anit-Amarr groups seem carefully calculated to encourage the Amarr not to change. You want to give the Amarr that want peace and to be sort of friends with you a chance to gain more influence, extending your own hand in peace is probably the best way. But if you want the pro-war, pro-Reclaiming Amarr to have more power, war and violence works well. ________________________________ This is not a signature.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.23 10:35:00 - [24] Before this declaration, PIE was fighting eight wars and doing well. A ninth will make no difference. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.23 10:51:00 - [25] Rodj, in the 11 hours that the war has been declared, I have already seen a situation in which five of your members were unwilling to engage one Myrmidon. Tell me - when "doing well" means "not losing any ships", does it really count if you're not ever in a situation when losing ships is possible? ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Laerise Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.23 11:02:00 - [26] How do you call sheep running to the butcher? Lamb chops.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.23 11:08:00 - [27] Isn't "sheep" as a perjorative generally used to refer to people who blindly follow? In which case, considering you blindly follow the teachings of a God which are quite obviously lies to anyone who is versed in a little critical thinking, who's gleefully skipping to the abbatoir now, Laerise? ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Hoggs Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.23 11:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Isn't "sheep" as a perjorative generally used to refer to people who blindly follow? In which case, considering you blindly follow the teachings of a God which are quite obviously lies to anyone who is versed in a little critical thinking, who's gleefully skipping to the abbatoir now, Laerise? Took the words right outta my mouth.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.23 11:53:00 - [29] Just for anyone who's interested - I'm going to dope myself up on Drop and Exile right in the centre of the Amarr Empire - and not this synthetic, watered-down legal trash either. Hoggs found a contact near Amarr to get me the proper full-strength stuff - and I'm going to be shooting up, screaming my lungs out and tearing off pieces of golden hull with my teeth. Pro-life? How about pro-awesome? ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.01.23 12:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Isn't "sheep" as a perjorative generally used to refer to people who blindly follow? Points to MirrorGod, looks at Andreus -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.23 12:54:00 - [31] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Rodj, in the 11 hours that the war has been declared, I have already seen a situation in which five of your members were unwilling to engage one Myrmidon. Tell me - when "doing well" means "not losing any ships", does it really count if you're not ever in a situation when losing ships is possible? So what you're saying here is that either you seriously expected our pilots to engage a heretic Myrmidon before the war actually went live, or you're claiming the presence in local of someone else's ship as a victory for your rag-tag band of renegades. Considering that it's very unlikely that you know the identities of all of the other eight groups with whom we are at war, just how can you say that there was only one enemy Myrmidon in the area? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:19:00 - [32] I go planetside for a day, and this is what awaits me on my return. For once, these dogs have actually given me a pleasant surprise. Nine wars is nothing. ----------------------------------------------
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:27:00 - [33] Originally by: Gaius Kador Nine wars is nothing. Indeed Gaius. I remember when we had well over twenty and managed to come out on top. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:27:00 - [34] Originally by: Rodj Blake So what you're saying here is that either you seriously expected our pilots to engage a heretic Myrmidon before the war actually went live, or you're claiming the presence in local of someone else's ship as a victory for your rag-tag band of renegades. No, I'm claiming that your rag-tag band of terrorists and murderers would come out and play with a single Myrmidon - a Myrmidon belonging to "soup vending machine" Kostantin Mort. Originally by: Rodj Blake Considering that it's very unlikely that you know the identities of all of the other eight groups with whom we are at war, just how can you say that there was only one enemy Myrmidon in the area? Considering that through CONCORD's systems I can very easily view all the other factions that have declared war on you, I'd say that I could be fairly certain of the absence of enough pilots to make undocking a serious threat. Besides... where's PIE's bravery? Its overwhelming power? Remember Rodj, "nine wars is nothing". ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:28:00 - [35] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 23/01/2008 13:34:19 Originally by: Evanda Char Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Isn't "sheep" as a perjorative generally used to refer to people who blindly follow? Points to MirrorGod, looks at Andreus Points to Karin Midular, looks at Evanda Besides, Char, I joined Heretic Army of my own volition, to continue the battle against slavers - the battle you refuse to fight. Unlike MirrorGod, I have religious beliefs. I am not required to have 5.0/8.0 standing ratings. I am not required to fly a certain type of ship. I am merely required to show commitment to a cause - a cause I was already committed to long before I even met MirrorGod up in O-2. Besides, don't you have an active war with PIE? ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:29:00 - [36] You dare talk of bravery? Tell me, will you be lasting more than a week before either cancelling the war or jumping corporations this time, Ixiris? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:37:00 - [37] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 23/01/2008 13:37:22 Originally by: Rodj Blake You dare talk of bravery? Tell me, will you be lasting more than a week before either cancelling the war or jumping corporations this time, Ixiris? You dare accuse me of cowardice? When I stood with Ushra'Khan in cruisers, frigates and battlecruisers against a force three times the size, mostly comprised of batleships and heavy assault cruisers? Maybe we will meet in Alkabsi again, terrorist. Maybe the outcome will be different this time. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:43:00 - [38] I think I speak for everyone in this instance when I say this... AMARR VICTOR! I can't believe I said that... Personal Library
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.23 15:03:00 - [39] AMARR EXPLODER! WE COME FOR YOUR PEOPLE! ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Naughty People The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.01.23 15:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 23/01/2008 13:37:45 Originally by: Evanda Char Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Isn't "sheep" as a perjorative generally used to refer to people who blindly follow? Points to MirrorGod, looks at Andreus Points to Karin Midular, looks at Evanda Besides, Char, I joined Heretic Army of my own volition, to continue the battle against slavers - the battle you refuse to fight. You've got to be kidding, you, of all people accusing EM of not practicing what they preach, last I checked EM engaged their enemies in space on a regular basis; where as you only choose to engage them on this forum (unless you count that single valliant gank in that Thorax). If Heretic Army has a new killboard I'd be interested if you ever make an appearence, I'd be interesting to see you prove everyone wrong. But what is more likely to happen is you'll elect to continue making impotent threats on IGS instead of putting any action behind your words. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris I am not required to have 5.0/8.0 standing ratings. I am not required to fly a certain type of ship. I am merely required to show commitment to a cause - a cause I was already committed to long before I even met MirrorGod up in Deklein. Did you even bother learning anything about EM during your staggeringly long 24 hour employment there? Unless things have changed drasticly since my time there the only thing they demand from their members is the courage to face EM's enemies in combat and not to be an emberassment to the alliance..........hrmm, I suppose your inability to meet either requirement explains why you were only there for a day or so..... You've talked alot of talk Andreus, time to walk the walk or be silent. ----------------------------- Naturally my views are my own as I'm not my alliance's spokesman, ect.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.01.23 15:31:00 - [41] One month then the people suffering from attention deficit disorder usually move on. Mr Ixiris being part of this makes me even more confident it's an accurate estimate. Add a good doseage of craptalk (MirrorGod made it to my block list about the first day he entered the Amarr channel) and we have a real winner here. Now recruiting!
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien I think I speak for everyone in this instance when I say this... AMARR VICTOR! I can't believe I said that... We'll sort out your discipliniary hearing tomorrow kiddo... >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:52:00 - [43] Originally by: Verone We'll sort out your discipliniary hearing tomorrow kiddo... Personal Library
Le'Profit Mechant Amarr En-Slavers	Posted - 2008.01.23 19:24:00 - [44] you moan and whine about the en-slavers and pie not engaging you yet let me say some thing hear, the lord sage was on many a time even stayed still in pator for ages and not one of you bothered to come up and take him on. one of our pilot passed and even paused by a gate with one of the heretic armies pilots just floating there doing nothing she even locked and took a pot shot yet still nothing so she decide just to carry ion her journey, she was punished for not destroying the target when she had the chance. and let me guess andreus ixiris will now commence with his smack about how the lord sage pulled comms and deliberately emergency warped out again or how you alone despite the fact there where two had some time back engaged the lord sage twice yet the fact remains not once did you even manage to pod him so go ahead spout your smack. One thing I respect about electus matari and the praetoria imperialis excubitoris alliance at least when you private communicate with them it does not become with out mutual consent a large number of the their members let alone having a respectable conversation turn into both a smack throwing session and a demanding of intelligence. so do not heretic army try to come across as the golden force of the people for you are any thing but, I share lord sages view that you are not in the same league as that of the praetoria imperialis excubitoris and while we can freely admit to that it seems you mirror are unable to do the same. . ------------------------------------------- =][=The Path of darkness is where your deepest most desire lay, forsake the light of the false god and embrace the darkness!=][=
Darth Sage Amarr En-Slavers	Posted - 2008.01.23 19:40:00 - [45] Calm your self yesss! They are not worthy of your contempt, they will just keep on feeding off you should you let them get to you, in this sense they are not unlike parasites feeding off of others but instead of blood they feed of attention. ______________________________ En-Slavers we follow the true path of the sani sabik...
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.23 19:41:00 - [46] See, at least with PIE, their communication is, albeit filled with arrogance, hubris and self-importance, an intelligible sneer. With Sage and most of his lackeys, it's a nonsensical buzzing. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.23 20:09:00 - [47] Did someone seriously just accuse Evanda of not fighting people who hold slaves? Accuse her of stupidity, sure, she is an advocate of a relatively hostile stance towards Amarr, which is rank stupidity. But for someone whose only military accomplishment against slavery was to get podded to no benefit to accuse her of not fighting is amusing. Oh, and if you must insist on posting at length with the translator off, could you at least have the decency of either using a consistent transliteration or the correct alphabet for the language you are trying to make some point in? Preferably the latter, though better still would be for you to turn on your translator. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.23 20:43:00 - [48] Gaven, it is an old battle hymn sung in a dialect of Intakan. Intakan in general, as you may be aware, does not translate directly into Amarrian, even moreso regarding its more esoteric dialects. The poetry of the song would be lost if I kept the translator on. Furthermore, the transliterative capabilities of the GalNet operating system, while fairly impressive, are incapable of rendering some of the symbols of Intakan directly into Amarrian as there are often no equivalent symbols, and is thus forced to provide a phonetic representation of them. However, for your convenience (and this is me doing you a favour - make a note of it) here are the lyrics presented in modern Intakan (at considerable effort to myself) which should correctly transliterate to Amarr for your convenience. I imagine it might even translate to synonyms that rhyme in your language, but i fear that some of the more subtle beauty will be lost. Not that you'd care for it anyway. Quote: Breech the hull! Tear the metal! Breach the hull! Peel the bulkhead! In our hour of need In our hour of need Let justice intercede! Breech the hull! Breech the hull! Let justice intercede! Breech the hull! Breech the hull! In our hour of need In our hour of need Let justice intercede! Breech the hull! Breech the hull! Let justice intercede! Breech the hull! Breech the hull! To protect our children in the night And bring them back into the light. Breech the hull! Tear the metal! Breach the hull! Peel the bulkhead! Let their stars go black! Let their friends turn back! Let their soldiers die ‘Neath a blood red sky! Let their fairest dreams Turn to nightmare screams! Let the wind’s cold gust Turn their bones to dust! Ever striving! Ever seeking! All achieving! Sparing nothing! Breech the hull! Breech the hull! In our hour of need In our hour of need Let justice intercede! Breech the hull! Breech the hull! Let justice intercede! Breech the hull! Breech the hull! Ever striving! Ever seeking! All achieving! Sparing nothing! Breech the hull! Breech the hull! Sparing nothing! Breech the hull! Breech the hull! Sparing nothing! Breech the hull! Tear the metal! Breach the hull! Peel the bulkhead! Breech the hull! Breech the hull! ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Hoggs Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.23 21:43:00 - [49] Originally by: Le'Profit Mechant one of our pilot passed and even paused by a gate with one of the heretic armies pilots just floating there doing nothing she even locked and took a pot shot yet still nothing so she decide just to carry ion her journey, she was punished for not destroying the target when she had the chance. Hah. Where do you source this from? Not only did she fail to kill me, she lied to you. Perhaps she should be punished again. :) I found her at a gate in a frigate, as I was re-approaching the gate to move within my Deimos' kill range, she locked me, did not fire a single shot, and then proceeded to run in fear via the gate. All happened in the course of about 3 seconds.
chromez0r Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 00:41:00 - [50] The Gallente male appears on screen relaxed Well the war has begun, and after there first sighting of part of our fleet, these Amarian "Gaurds" turn tail and hide, in what seems to be a breach of there own beliefs and rules. Is this what we have come to expect from these scum?! The Gallente male turns and takes a sip from his wine, then glances back This is pathetic. The Gallente male shakes his head, as the Heretic Army logo appears then fades to black
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.24 01:04:00 - [51] Indeed, We saw your obvious trap, sprung it to see what you thought was a reasonable engagement, and decided that taking on seven battleships with one battleship and a mix of Harbingers and scouts was a silly proposition. Fortunately, as the only threat you represent is one directed at PIE and not at Amarr, there is no sin in choosing another day to kill us. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 01:16:00 - [52] I too, was upset by the no-show. The fleet quite obviously had battleship support, and it was very interesting that they refused to fight in consideration of these facts: a. They supposedly once fought off 20 wars at once. b. They referred to us as a "superior force", yet consider all non-True-Amarrians to be inferior. Considering that we had only one True Amarrian and one Khanid (both heretical) in the gang, that would make us inferior by default. c. They stated I wouldn't have the balls to show up again. d. Further, they stated that in the supposedly unlikely event that I grew the spheres to show up again, they'd destroy me. e. PIE have more than seventy members. Our fleet numbered only slightly over ten. I know for a fact that if necessary they can field at least thirty of them (see Battle of Alkabsi). f. I am, according to what appears now to be a majority of IGS, utterly useless at everything except (and depending on who you speak to, including) talking. Considering that I was commanding the fleet throughout most of the operation, that should have made the fight a foregone conclusion in favour of the Amarr, no matter how many ships we had. g. God is on the side of the Amarr, supposedly. If they are the devoted warriors of God, an omnipotent and omniscient being, there is absolutely no way I could win, had I the combined navies of the Caldari State, the Gallente Federation, the Minmatar Republic, the Jovian Directorate and all the pirate factions at my back. h. Amarr ships are according to many sources infinetely superior to any other ship. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 01:56:00 - [53] The events tonight were...disappointing, but not surprising. I did my all to obtain an engagement but ultimately they just were not willing to engage until they saw the full of our assets. So much for risk or courage, but I don't blame them. End of the day Heretic Army shows a superior force and they ran. They were pursued and made away from us. We'll get em. The events have reassured me none-the-less. I'm looking forward to some good engagements.
chromez0r Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 02:57:00 - [54] Edited by: chromez0r on 24/01/2008 03:21:26 Chromez0r smiles as he turns on his comms Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 24/01/2008 01:15:07 Indeed, We saw your obvious trap, sprung it to see what you thought was a reasonable engagement, and decided that taking on seven battleships with one battleship and a mix of Harbingers and scouts was a silly proposition. Fortunately, as the only threat you represent is one directed at PIE and not at Amarr, there is no sin in choosing another day to kill you. chromez0r laughs Im glad you think 2 armageddens equal 1 battleship. But in saying this if we were trying to trap you im sure you would have had no idea, yes you did choose a wiser decision but it is not backing up your "great empires" way of life and teachings, or did it back up your attitude of being superior in every way. So please humour me some more. The Jin-mei male laughs again
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 03:01:00 - [55] The Amarrians, and the Caldari, and the Sanshas, and even some Gallente and Minmatar have insisted that I back up my words with actions or cease speaking - "proof or STFU", I believe they call it. Now that I am finally ready to prove my tall words with actions of equal stature, there suddenly seem to be few Amarrians who are willing to provide me with the opportunity. Where is this vaunted divine invulnerability that Amarrians supposedly possess? Has Naqam hurt you that much? ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.24 04:32:00 - [56] I think you have been watching far too many Gallente holoreels about stupid Amarrians. And as for the second geddon, I was not FCing and missed it. It does not change the point. Crowing about outnumbering an opponent and then failing to force an engagement does not make you look as impressive as you seem to think it does. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.24 04:51:00 - [57] Ah. So this is going to be a war where public chest-beating takes place every time the target fails to stumble into a trap. Quality stuff.
chromez0r Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 05:19:00 - [58] Please Mr. Garrek, read what has been said, this is not about bragging rights, just PIE not living up to there words.
Hoggs Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 05:42:00 - [59] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 24/01/2008 01:15:07 Indeed, We saw your obvious trap, sprung it to see what you thought was a reasonable engagement, and decided that taking on seven battleships with one battleship and a mix of Harbingers and scouts was a silly proposition. Obvious trap? We charged in full force high on boosters hoping for a lulparty. Doesn't sound like a trap to me. :(
chromez0r Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 06:12:00 - [60] Edited by: chromez0r on 24/01/2008 06:13:14 ok. let me go through and pick out just a few things for you Mr. Garreck Quote: I remember when we had well over twenty and managed to come out on top. claiming being out numbered is nothing to them. Taken from Too PIE... Quote: Entire alliances of motivated and capable capsuleers have bore their full weight of military might on the Praetorians, and still they remain strong. from there showing today, the only reason this could be true is because they run and hide, which according to AMARIAN ways and/or traditions those that retreat are Quote: executed for cowardice, their families enslaved and their Houses disbanded. taken from the archives, The Battle of VakÆAtioth and surely having god on there side means that they have the upper hand... Quote: The lesson has been learned. Those without faith cannot stand against the chosen of God. Praise be. i can keep going but i really dont want to waste any more time on you Mr. Garreck. EDIT: oh btw it was 3 to 1 odds for bs's not taking into account there abundance of Harbinger class battle cruisers.
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.24 06:29:00 - [61] Originally by: chromez0r Please Mr. Garreck, read what has been said, this is not about bragging rights, just PIE not living up to there words. Those with the sense to call back their squad when the odds are heavily against them live to fight another day. Any good commander worth his pips knows this, and will withdraw when he can if the odds are insurmountable. It would appear you don't seem to grasp this concept. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
chromez0r Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 06:39:00 - [62] Oh no verone, i grasp this concept quite well to be honest, But as i stated after that, its against the amarian faith to retreat even when the odds are against them, and the fact that they have talked themselves up to being able to excel even when they are well and truely out numbered.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.24 06:39:00 - [63] Originally by: chromez0r i can keep going but i really dont want to waste any more time on you Mr. Garreck. EDIT: oh btw it was 3 to 1 odds for bs's not taking into account there abundance of Harbinger class battle cruisers. This made my day. However, war is about tangible results. You failed to get any today. Work harder tomorrow. Or keep shooting off at the mouth, for all I care. Wars of words, rhetoric, and insult are old hat. Break convention, set a new trend, and destroy your enemy in space.
Shintoko Akahoshi Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.24 07:30:00 - [64] You know, I don't often defend the Slaver-ing horde, but...well...I just don't like you folks! So, here's how I see it, in my own unimpartial way: PIE defend the Empire. Peachy. Heretic Army decides to declare war on PIE. Not on the Empire, mind you. Just PIE. Heretic Army comes chugging into Amarr system with full force on day one of the war. The only things they can engage there are PIE. PIE, for whatever reasons, has their main forces somewhere else. Not really too surprising, as Heretic Army isn't really a threat to the Empire, so there is nothing in Amarr system that really requires defending. A fight fails to develop. Heretic Army crows over this victory. Sorry, but I just don't see it. You win a war by inflicting damage on your enemy - whether it is material, manpower, or economic. Do some crowing once you've actually inflicted some decent damage on them, 'k? Shin's writings
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.01.24 07:58:00 - [65] Why is it that Vak'Atioth keeps coming up? We lost one battle against a foe far more advanced than anyone else in our corner of the universe. We get it. The executions and punishments were politically motivated--the Empire was extremely jittery at that time. It was required to make it look like the battle was the fault of the brave crews who died that day to avert blame from the leadership which was desperately trying to keep the Empire together. If Amarrians always charged into battle with no thought to tactics, we'd have been extinct long ago. Besides, that's what Kameiras are for.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.24 08:25:00 - [66] I have two points to make. Firstly, if the Heretic Army were deemed a threat to the well-being of the Empire, we would have already have declared war on them and hunted them down ourselves. Since they are not deemed a threat and they are the ones who declared the war, the obligation falls upon them to make an impact. Secondly, I'm glad to see that they consider refusing to engage an enemy whilst severely outnumbered to be an act of cowardice. I'll be sure to remind of this the next time they retreat. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Hoggs Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 08:36:00 - [67] Originally by: Rodj Blake Secondly, I'm glad to see that they consider refusing to engage an enemy whilst severely outnumbered to be an act of cowardice. I'll be sure to remind of this the next time they retreat. No Rodj, see, this is your home system. This is your stronghold. The point is that PIE couldn't out gun us in their own home system. And on a side note, first blood to heretic army.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.24 09:17:00 - [68] Originally by: Hoggs No Rodj, see, this is your home system. This is your stronghold. The point is that PIE couldn't out gun us in their own home system. It's the capital of the Amarr Empire. It doesn't automatically follow that it's our home system. Perhaps you should do some research? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.01.24 10:21:00 - [69] We'll see if you charge in all guns blazing when the odds are similarly unfavorable for you in an engagement. Then you'll be judged by the gum flapping displayed in this thread. If you don't you are hyprocrites. If you do you are idiots. Either way you'll loose. Welcome to war, say goodbye to duells. Now recruiting!
Ituralde The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.24 10:33:00 - [70] PIE, outgunned by Heretic Army? That's pretty hilarious actually. _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
chromez0r Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:08:00 - [71] Edited by: chromez0r on 24/01/2008 11:08:55 Originally by: Tharrn We'll see if you charge in all guns blazing when the odds are similarly unfavorable for you in an engagement. Then you'll be judged by the gum flapping displayed in this thread. If you don't you are hyprocrites. If you do you are idiots. Either way you'll loose. Welcome to war, say goodbye to duells. difference is we dont have any law/belief stating that retreating is an offence to our empire/federation/whatever else, this is what i have been stating all along. i said previously that it was a wise move but it goes against what the amarians, TRUE amarians, believe in.
Hoggs Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:09:00 - [72] Originally by: Tharrn We'll see if you charge in all guns blazing when the odds are similarly unfavorable for you in an engagement. Then you'll be judged by the gum flapping displayed in this thread. If you don't you are hyprocrites. If you do you are idiots. Either way you'll loose. Welcome to war, say goodbye to duells. And if we were to somehow win such an engagement? What would we be judged as then? I don't think anyone in IGS has actually seen us fight in recent months. Don't underestimate.
Number 17 Caldari COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:11:00 - [73] Edited by: Number 17 on 24/01/2008 11:13:15 The criminal organization Heretic Army cover up their piracy actions by self proclaiming themselves "anti-slavers". An obvious fake considering that not long ago they where engaging acts of piracy in Minmatar and Caldari space. I never understood how attacking industrials and Republic mission runners would help your so called anti slaver cause. It's about time you stop this cover-up and call yourselves what you really are, plain pirates. And it is about time you face the fact that you are most known for boasting out in GalNet than for your combat abilities. You shall meet your destiny, and Burn. Quote: I don't think anyone in IGS has actually seen us fight in recent months. Don't underestimate. We did, and you are the ones who are really underestimating PIE, soon you will realize your mistake. EDIT to reply hoggs post.
Hoggs Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:21:00 - [74] Originally by: Number 17 We did, and you are the ones who are really underestimating PIE, soon you will realize your mistake. EDIT to reply hoggs post. We barely even faught at all, almost all of the kills you did obtain were not of heretic army, but of our alliance, of which a diplomat from your alliance said you were not after them, only us.
chromez0r Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:29:00 - [75] Originally by: Number 17 Edited by: Number 17 on 24/01/2008 11:13:15 The criminal organization Heretic Army cover up their piracy actions by self proclaiming themselves "anti-slavers". An obvious fake considering that not long ago they where engaging acts of piracy in Minmatar and Caldari space. I never understood how attacking industrials and Republic mission runners would help your so called anti slaver cause. It's about time you stop this cover-up and call yourselves what you really are, plain pirates. You say that as tho we declared war on you? if this is what you think you are clearly mistaken, and the only true loss to ANTI was myself but during this engagement i proceeded to pop a myrmidon chew threw a bruitix and then break a command ships shield tank before finally going pop. Hardly a failure! every other chance of fighting consisted of us waiting for you and your fellow corp mates to come out of hiding.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:41:00 - [76] Originally by: Ituralde PIE, outgunned by Heretic Army? That's pretty hilarious actually. Maybe you should read the whole thread. Or maybe you are just Jadeified too much. Now recruiting!
Hoggs Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:50:00 - [77] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Ituralde PIE, outgunned by Heretic Army? That's pretty hilarious actually. Maybe you should read the whole thread. Or maybe you are just Jadeified too much. Err. Well. It is true... We did out-gun them... :/
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:52:00 - [78] Twiddling my thumbs, afraid to come outside without fleet support? I had fleet support since the war started at 23:04. The fleet was assembled way before then. I was specifically instructed not to undock the fleet as it was considered likely by our intelligence officers that the presence of an inordinately large number of battleships would scare away the pitiful force that the Amarrians had gathered. Our intelligence officers, as usual, were entirely correct. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.01.24 12:56:00 - [79] Part of the art of warfare is learning to lure your enemy to engage when and how you want him to. Whining about it is seldom a good way to achieve it. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 13:08:00 - [80] So, the great Evanda Char, the loser of Onga Gate, is trying to tell us how to fight? That's rich. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Kendar Zek Gallente Interstellar Aid Society	Posted - 2008.01.24 13:16:00 - [81] Originally by: Hoggs I don't think anyone in IGS has actually seen us fight in recent months. This really sums up the entirety of the matter. No one has seen you fight, yet many have seen you declare victory... repeatedly. I enjoy a good read about important news as much as anyone - news of real wars with real losses and real consequences. This hardly qualifies, and matters of importance are being buried under this rubbish. As a matter of courtesy, please refrain from bragging until you've made some significant impact on your enemies. -- Owner, Venture Racing Team
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 13:25:00 - [82] Well how can we, if they remain hidden? ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.01.24 13:26:00 - [83] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris So, the great Evanda Char, the loser of Onga Gate, is trying to tell us how to fight? That's rich. Did you see what happened the week afterwards, Andreus? Oh no, because you were somewhere else, talking smack and not fighting PIE. Like now. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 13:41:00 - [84] Well, you know, if last night's little escapade was any indication, that may be my permanent fixture. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
IzzyChan Naqam	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:03:00 - [85] So much talk about a failed attempt to kill PIE. Instead of crowing about one non-engagement all week, why not just ya know, try to engage them again? That's how wars work, you know. -------------------- Naqam
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:14:00 - [86] Originally by: IzzyChan So much talk about a failed attempt to kill PIE. Instead of crowing about one non-engagement all week, why not just ya know, try to engage them again? That's how wars work, you know. Izzy, you have no idea how much I'd love to - say, got any tips on how to entice them out of their beloved stations? Apparently, with all of the legions of ships of yours that they've (supposedly) been destroying, you must know something I don't. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
IzzyChan Naqam	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:28:00 - [87] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: IzzyChan So much talk about a failed attempt to kill PIE. Instead of crowing about one non-engagement all week, why not just ya know, try to engage them again? That's how wars work, you know. Izzy, you have no idea how much I'd love to - say, got any tips on how to entice them out of their beloved stations? Apparently, with all of the legions of ships of yours that they've (supposedly) been destroying, you must know something I don't. Oh dear, if you're asking someone for tips on how to fight a war..... And both sides of the NQM/PIE war have destroyed a fair amount of ships, it's kind of stupid to start counting losses when the war isn't even close to being finished. -------------------- Naqam
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:29:00 - [88] Well the way PIE are talking you'd think it was already a foregone conclusion in their favour, but I've seen one member of yours keep five of their members huddled in a station. I'm man enough to say that's some pretty good work there, Izzy ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Dex Nederland Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:57:00 - [89] Originally by: The Art of War Chapter 2* 19. In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns. In this you have failed. Other than killing you what reason does PIE or their allies have to fight you? Are you attacking the Emperor's Station over Amarr Prime? Bombing the planet's main cities? Until you are directly threatening the Empire or its interest, PIE will consider you a nuisance and follow some of the other advice from the ancient text. Originally by: The Art of War Chapter 1* 21. If he is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. 22. If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. *OOC: Like to think there is a similar thesis written some time before the Raata Empire on Caldari Prime, an ancient work. - Sun Tzu: The art of war is of vital importance to the State. -
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:09:00 - [90] So to attract the attention of the Amarr Empire, we must kill thousands of innocents? I would rather a non-starter war, to be honest. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:10:00 - [91] Amusing. The war has not yet lasted 24 hours, and allready the subhuman scum are outbeating even the most dedicated matari with their bongo skills. Like the saying goes, the more primitive you get... As for last night, and the incessant howling coming from ANTI: The only engagement of note last night occured at the Amarr gate in Ashab, where I put an ANTI Thorax into structure whilst it ran for cover and jumped. I am looking forward to a long war, but I doubt you have the nerve for that. ----------------------------------------------
MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:54:00 - [92] Edited by: MirrorGod on 24/01/2008 15:55:30 My stars do you people ever talk alot Heretic Army is continuing the campaign today, and we look forward to some good results today. Yes, we had them outgunned yesterday, big deal. To number 17 and Cold Wing, they fought a good war, but it was a war in which Heretic Army had the advantage. I sat waiting for them to engage me in many cases. They picked on stragglers of the alliance and killed 1 of our BS's taking significant losses to take it down. In response to posing a threat to the amarr system, I agree with Mr. Ixiris, we do not need to harm innocents, though I've been known to run some nighttime blackops to cut the throat of the odd clergy or holder, given that I get some dirt on them should they earn it. That's nothing special though. I'll be honest with you all, myself and my pilots, we're combat pilots. This whole IGS game, I wouldn't call it our specialty. My boys can be a bit...zealous about combat, but I don't blame them. We did outnumber PIE, though I feel that if there was one thing our fleet did wrong, and I'll take responsibility for it, it was that we brought too much firepower in the final bout; where I initially asked for a shipup to 2 more Battleships, we actually deployed signifigantly more and that is my mistake. But damn, do people ever love to talk.
Dex Nederland Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.24 16:02:00 - [93] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris So to attract the attention of the Amarr Empire, we must kill thousands of innocents? I would rather a non-starter war, to be honest. To gain the attention of PIE you need to threaten the Empire or its interest. This may mean threatening prominent holders' assets and killing thousands of innocents. Welcome to the horror which is war. As far as I can tell your objective is to do damage to PIE and not the Empire, but even if you could force PIE to disband the Empire and its ideals would remain. The ideals that PIE stands for would remain. But that is the last free strategic advice I give to what I consider little more than pirates. - Sun Tzu: The art of war is of vital importance to the State. -
Ituralde The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.24 17:39:00 - [94] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Ituralde PIE, outgunned by Heretic Army? That's pretty hilarious actually. Maybe you should read the whole thread. Or maybe you are just Jadeified too much. Very well, the Tharrn test of reading comprehension. Let's see how well I do. Quote: We saw your obvious trap, sprung it to see what you thought was a reasonable engagement, and decided that taking on seven battleships with one battleship and a mix of Harbingers and scouts was a silly proposition. That sounds a lot like "outgunned" to me. Unless you think PIE should have stood and fought? Sounds to me like PIE made the right decision. Now, it's one thing when you are against a large, well-organized force to get severely overpowered and outgunned. But against Heretic Army? Perhaps I'm a poor judge but... dear god that's pathetic. Anyhow, if you care to see how "Jadefied" I might be perhaps you might make a better showing than a poorly fitted harbinger and agree to a duel? I'd be happy to take a little side-trip south and show you what the Fighters of the North are capable of. Then again, might be a bit embarrassing to get beat by a "Paper Tiger" would it not? Perhaps you'd best scurry back under your rock and not muck about in the idle amusements of your betters. _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
Dzil Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.01.24 17:49:00 - [95] Originally by: Dex Nederland Originally by: Andreus Ixiris So to attract the attention of the Amarr Empire, we must kill thousands of innocents? I would rather a non-starter war, to be honest. To gain the attention of PIE you need to threaten the Empire or its interest. This may mean threatening prominent holders' assets and killing thousands of innocents. Welcome to the horror which is war. As far as I can tell your objective is to do damage to PIE and not the Empire, but even if you could force PIE to disband the Empire and its ideals would remain. The ideals that PIE stands for would remain. But that is the last free strategic advice I give to what I consider little more than pirates. Perhaps, Dex. Perhaps to some, though, the defeat of an organization that claims it is favored by God would challenge the faith of the Empire in such self proclaimations. At least for some. But what I don't like about all this, is that PIE is being singled out and targeted not based on claims of its crimes against humanity, but based on the beliefs that its members hold true. It's rather hypocritical, all things considered - I would have expected more from a group that supposedly doesn't believe in God, than to declare war on it. Perhap all those boosters have erased logic and reason, leaving only animalistic bloodlust. Perhaps they simply hide their true intentions, and seek to exploit the pride of PIE through defacation of the Amarr religion. I have a feeling we'll see PIE pitch a real battle soon. It should prove most interesting to see how the chips fall.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.24 18:22:00 - [96] It is called sleep cycles Ituralde. We could have returned to base, reshipped, and probably taken their fleet. But they were not important enough for pilots who had been up all day doing more important things like defending the bleak lands to stay awake for. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 19:26:00 - [97] Edited by: MirrorGod on 24/01/2008 19:27:05 Edited by: MirrorGod on 24/01/2008 19:26:14 Originally by: DzilTabble Rabble rablle Rabble... But what I don't like about all this, is that PIE is being singled out and targeted not based on claims of its crimes against humanity, but based on the beliefs that its members hold true. Rabble rabble rabb... Originally by: MirrorGod Banter banter banter... [This part:] ...But now we're back to business...and our business is the death of oppression, the slavery, the bigotry; Our business is a knife in the back of the corruption that you worship. Banter banter banter sexy logo... Kthx.
Dzil Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:20:00 - [98] Well, forgive me, must be the framing class I recently took, but I read it like this: Quote: I declare war on God Rabble Rabble Rabble [Image Removed] Of course, snip some words here, bold face a few words there, the meaning of the message may change drastically. The Caldari are no strangers to the concept of spin, I assure you ;) But, if you wouldn't mind answering the question, why do you choose to declare a war against a being you deny exists?
MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:37:00 - [99] Originally by: Dzil Well, forgive me, must be the framing class I recently took, but I read it like this: Quote: I declare war on God Rabble Rabble Rabble [Image Removed] Of course, snip some words here, bold face a few words there, the meaning of the message may change drastically. The Caldari are no strangers to the concept of spin, I assure you ;) But, if you wouldn't mind answering the question, why do you choose to declare a war against a being you deny exists? I intened no spin, just meant to shorten things up to get to my point. The problem is, while God doesn't exist, he is real. They have made him real, God is a tool that drives thier politics, drives the corruption.
Ituralde The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.24 22:11:00 - [100] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri It is called sleep cycles Ituralde. We could have returned to base, reshipped, and probably taken their fleet. But they were not important enough for pilots who had been up all day doing more important things like defending the bleak lands to stay awake for. Yes, and normally I'd accept that but... Heretic Army? Seriously? That has to smart on the pride a bit you know? I guess if it was a credible organization - well, I'm sure you get the idea. Granted, I have little charitable to say about PIE, but damn, you all are better than that. _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.24 22:18:00 - [101] Edited by: MirrorGod on 24/01/2008 22:18:42 Originally by: Ituralde Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri It is called sleep cycles Ituralde. We could have returned to base, reshipped, and probably taken their fleet. But they were not important enough for pilots who had been up all day doing more important things like defending the bleak lands to stay awake for. Yes, and normally I'd accept that but... Heretic Army? Seriously? That has to smart on the pride a bit you know? I guess if it was a credible organization - well, I'm sure you get the idea. Granted, I have little charitable to say about PIE, but damn, you all are better than that. -_0 This high-n-mighty Tri grunt has some nerve. Perhaps you should consider the remote possibility that maybe, just maybe, we have a clue what we're doing. 9 months of organized fleet ops, piracy, gate camps and skirmish warfare speak to some degree of experience. Seriously, do I know you or something?
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.24 23:49:00 - [102] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri It is called sleep cycles Ituralde. We could have returned to base, reshipped, and probably taken their fleet. But they were not important enough for pilots who had been up all day doing more important things like defending the bleak lands to stay awake for. Enough of that, Admiral. No need to spoon feed the criminals useful intel. Oh and to the criminals: Keep the Faith. ----------------------------------------------
Drama Kirlan Dichotomy	Posted - 2008.01.24 23:53:00 - [103] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris So, the great Evanda Char, the loser of Onga Gate, is trying to tell us how to fight? That's rich. You tread very thin ice here Andreus as I was at Onga as well. Perhaps we should bring up your examplar record of combat under our flag. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Our intelligence officers, as usual, were entirely correct. You need intelligence officers to tell you that your foe might be adverse to engaging a better equipped force? Heres some quick PR advice. Get a fight where you are the underdogs and win then come and crow about it. Or better yet dont crow and be civil instead of petty mud slinging
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.01.25 00:27:00 - [104] I have a suggestion for the Heretic Army: The Amarrian 7th Fleet, having proven themselves incapable of protecting their own assets in the Bleak Lands, have begged for assistance from paramilitaries such as PIE, and PIE has agreed to protect them. Perhaps when you are unable to find PIE forces willing to engage you, you might consider directing your attention to their client, instead. After all, if they argue that they feel no driving need to engage you because you pose no threat to the Empire ... here's an opportunity to change that equation. These assets are quite vulnerable, their defensive squadrons are rather laughable, and the loss of enough of them could prove to be disasterous for the Amarr Empire ... and perhaps a bit embarrassing to PIE, as well. I'd be happy to provide you with any information you need in pursuing this. -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today!
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.01.25 00:38:00 - [105] I warn you and anybody else who might consider attacking Amarr installations in The Bleak Lands. We will defend them by any means neccersary. Epitoth Fleetyards is Recruiting
Madam Dinahkarr Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.01.25 01:40:00 - [106] Originally by: MirrorGod Heretic Army was born in discontent; discontent of racism... ...censorship and oppression. Unfortunately, Mr. Mirror, the very thing you dislike seems to be all that you stand for. You claim that you and your organization hate racism, yet that is all you express towards the Amarr Religion. You dislike censorship, yet you are attempting to censor out religion. You hate oppresion, yet you feel the need to oppress anyone--... I'll be generous and say PIE Inc for the time -- who believes in God. Being incapaple to think up a better word or phrase; you sir, and your organization, come off as hypocrites. Do not misunderstand me -- the Amarr Religion needs some changes to be made, and changes will eventually come about. God and religion, however, does not need to be wiped out due to your impatience in waiting for change.
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.01.25 02:04:00 - [107] Originally by: Dzil Perhaps, Dex. Perhaps to some, though, the defeat of an organization that claims it is favored by God would challenge the faith of the Empire in such self proclaimations. At least for some. Amarrians do not equal God. We are not God. We are not invincible. God does not give us +9000 armour. We are the ones responsible for spreading God's word. If we fail, it is our failure and our failure alone. If we succeed, it is through our own faith and ability, struggling tooth and nail since time immemorial. Okay? Okay.
MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.25 02:47:00 - [108] Edited by: MirrorGod on 25/01/2008 02:48:30 Originally by: Madam Dinahkarr Originally by: MirrorGod Heretic Army was born in discontent; discontent of racism... ...censorship and oppression. Unfortunately, Mr. Mirror, the very thing you dislike seems to be all that you stand for. You claim that you and your organization hate racism, yet that is all you express towards the Amarr Religion. You dislike censorship, yet you are attempting to censor out religion. You hate oppresion, yet you feel the need to oppress anyone--... I'll be generous and say PIE Inc for the time -- who believes in God. Being incapaple to think up a better word or phrase; you sir, and your organization, come off as hypocrites. Do not misunderstand me -- the Amarr Religion needs some changes to be made, and changes will eventually come about. God and religion, however, does not need to be wiped out due to your impatience in waiting for change. I am here to ask questions, to make you, one and all, question faith. Both the Amarr religion and culture are unquestionably described as both narrow and closed-minded. We intend to open some minds, perhaps. The traits you applied could easily be applied to anyone. By fighting something that preaches so much hate, you ultimately become hate. War itself is an art of violence, and will very easily suck you into it. I accept this willingly, I'm not phased by it. Yes I have alot of hate and scorn built up from all my encounters with the amarrians growing up. It's made me what I am. But a hypocrite? Far from. If you want to believe in a god, well, I believe in freedom of religion, that's fine. But once you start forcing it upon others, putting others in chains for your religion, as the amarr culture and religion dictate, and as PIE protect, then therein lies the issue. That is the cancer which I wish to cut out. Other than that, pfft, doesn't bother me all to much if you wish to believe in a lie. But let if affect your own life, and only your own.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.25 03:05:00 - [109] Originally by: Grr I warn you and anybody else who might consider attacking Amarr installations in The Bleak Lands. We will defend them by any means neccersary. Grr, let me assure you that we intend no such thing - your ability to correctly identify exactly what ship types we were flying from a distance of five kilometres left us shaken and intimidated. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.01.25 07:59:00 - [110] Originally by: Grr I warn you and anybody else who might consider attacking Amarr installations in The Bleak Lands. We will defend them by any means neccersary. When do you intend to start? I have personally seen to the destruction of some ten or so installations, with no sign of any but token resistance from the vaunted Saracens. -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.25 11:54:00 - [111] Becq - colour me interested. The thought of blowing up Imperial Navy assets fills me with the sort of sadistic glee I haven't felt since that time back at CASS where me and Orun switched our chemistry teacher's curry powder for rubidium. Didn't get the curry stains off the walls for three months. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Orun Erajen	Posted - 2008.01.25 11:56:00 - [112] And when CONCORD comes looking, will you blame the destruction of Imperial Navy assets on me as well, Andreus? Do you know how hard it is to remove congealed curry from duraplastic? Have you any idea at all?
Ravin Abai Amarr Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2008.01.25 13:02:00 - [113] Mirror "God" (haha!) you claim to have encountered Amarr in your youth, and your association with bloated and venal Sani Sabik alliance has certainly given you a bit of experience dealing with Amarr in adulthood. Through all this time have you not learned that True Amarr posess an unshakable will, a sense of purpose that is impervious to adversity? I might be a Blood Raider, but even my former collegues in PIE will agree with me on this point. You cannot change the Empire by "cutting out the cancer" of the Amarrian religion, as you put it. When challenged, Amarr band together, they do not scatter and break. Change in the Empire, for better or worse, must come from within. Your war will accomplish nothing.
Koshmarnaya Akula Ebon Seraph Order of the Black Cross	Posted - 2008.01.25 22:36:00 - [114] So have you found God and engaged him in battle yet?
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.26 00:13:00 - [115] Obviously, Loyalists assume that the title tells them everything they need to know about a topic. However, a cursory inspection of the thread will reveal: Originally by: MirrorGod ...but God doesn't exist, and the idea of any emperor is laughable. So I think it's time for the bullet in the head of the god-warriors known as "PIE". And on that note, so far, we've been able to inflict greater losses to PIE than they have to us, both in terms of number of ships destroyed and monetary damages inflicted. So far, the only person who has been the least bit gracious about their losses was Merdaneth, who was able to savage one of our interceptors before losing his Crusader, and get my cruiser into structure before he went down. However, he was kind enough to acknowledge that he'd actually lost, rather than the rather banal smacktalk that other PIE members have given us. I thus felt it my duty to return the courtesy by making public note of my respect for the impressive resistance he'd put up. Thusly, Merdaneth now has the somewhat dubious honour of being the only member of PIE for whom I have some ammount of respect. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Koshmarnaya Akula Ebon Seraph Order of the Black Cross	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:17:00 - [116] Well thats disapointing. The title had me convinced this was something new and interesting.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:52:00 - [117] It is generally not a good idea to make such public noise out of what is a meaningless tally of death. Especially as such a tally is no longer in your favor. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.26 11:49:00 - [118] Mr. Ixirus, I do not need or want your respect. I merely desire you to let go of all the hate in your blackened heart and accept The Lord as your saviour. You seem bent on solving all the universe's problems through violence and destruction. That is why I passed you the Pax Amarria, the book you destroyed without even bothering to read a single page. The Pax Amarria holds much wisdom about peaceful ways to achieve one's goals. It is not a Book of God, it is a Book of Peace. The Pax Amarria does in no way forbid or discourage the use of force, it merely uses reason to temper its application. PIE does not declare wars for trivial reasons. It uses force when and if necessary. By MirrorGod's own words he declares war for the 'pretty explosions'. Does that seem like wisdom to you? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Hoggs Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.26 14:41:00 - [119] Originally by: Merdaneth By MirrorGod's own words he declares war for the 'pretty explosions'. Does that seem like wisdom to you? Oh c'mon now. Amarr ships are indeed pretty, but when they explode it brings a tear to one's eye. :')
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.26 22:37:00 - [120] I would like to address the criminal peon, and official member of the Heretic Army [ANTI], going by the livestock allocation callsign of Sahaquiel Faust. Did no one tell you specific lasertanking would not work? ----------------------------------------------
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:51:00 - [121] And yet using undeclared neutrals as repair slaves is the height of sophisticated and honourable combat? ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Sahaquiel Faust Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.27 12:10:00 - [122] Originally by: Gaius Kador I would like to address the criminal peon, and official member of the Heretic Army [ANTI], going by the livestock allocation callsign of Sahaquiel Faust. Did no one tell you specific lasertanking would not work? You know, I'm sure my father and mother would find it hilarious that you're calling me a peon and their choice of nomenclature for me "a livestock allocation callsign". Indeed, my father Bardiel Faust always loves a good joke. And as to the loss of the Myrmidon "Vibhishana"... I'm irritated.. but not distraught. If you have anymore invective for me I'll be happy to listen. ----- providing shootydeath since the last time i checked
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.27 12:19:00 - [123] Calling the loose cannon par excellence Spyra Gryra a repair slave is a rather hilarious joke in its own right. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Captianhook	Posted - 2008.01.30 23:56:00 - [124] I believe it was from on old, wise, thoughtful man who said: Never fight a battle which you are unprepared for. Chose your battles wisely, for an unwisely chosen battle is the quickest and easiest way to put your King In Checkmate. -Garry Kasprov (paraphrase), The greatest chess player old earth ever knew, the upholder of the Knight-Hood whom we all share a common ancestor, a common lust for war. The one thing I beg you both to do: Focus on the part of your destinies that are in your hands. Let the winds of fate take care of the rest. As to modern war, the only rule is that there are not any rules. The phrase "Keep it civil" no longer has meaning. Invent your own rules. I shall only hope that God's rules take pity on the damned, whoever they may be. And now for another news reel having something totally random and meaningless to do with BoB, stay tuned!
Remus Navillum Ethos TransGalactic Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:03:00 - [125] Well I certainly know that if I ever catch word of PIE and Heretics going at it nearby... at least on any scale larger than petty one-on-one skirmishes and gate-camping jackoffery, I fully intend to be there. Because nimrods slaughtering each other over moronic ideologies and equally moronic counter-ideologies makes for good salvage. Mmm-hmm.

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