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Rycheck
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Posted - 2004.03.24 22:17:00 -
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At the moment i am training hybrid turrets but i am thinking of going for projectiles. Projectiles seem to be able to deal the same amount of damage that a hybrid can but dont use any cap to fire. The only thing hybrids have over projectiles is range. Is my thinking right or have i missed something?
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Dam tac
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Posted - 2004.03.24 23:21:00 -
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I think Hybrids have better Tracking and RoF than Projectile turrets in general.
I think.
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Agent Shield
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Posted - 2004.03.24 23:51:00 -
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Rycheck,
Not only do you look at damage a weapon deals, but you also want to look at the tracking and rate of fire like Dam tac mentions.
Another thing to review is range of the weapon and what ammo will do to the weapon when installed. Ammo can increase/decrease the range, as well as differ in the damage type that it deals out.
So you are right, that one aspect is cap usage, you really need to review the weapon as a whole with how it works with your setup.
Just food for thought....
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Ajzhyn Raef
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Posted - 2004.03.25 08:37:00 -
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You're right. Rails have better Optimals but smaller Falloffs, whereas a Proj will have it the other way around. Also the bigger end Projectiles have rather slow rates of fire, but higher Damage modifiers. And Rails do have better Tracking. The choice of which is better really just boils down to personal preference. Some swear by Rails, I myself do. Though there are those who tout the superiority of Projectiles. I reccomend trying them both out.
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BioNeb
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Posted - 2004.03.25 08:43:00 -
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yups Ajzhyn is right.
My personal touch is using medium projs on me cruisers for none-missile npcs, medium hybrids for missile npcs.
I use projs for none-missile npcs becuz the missile npcs can take out your shield pretty fast if ya don't use shield hardeners, which i don't use on cruisers. Anywayz a 50% more protections won't help you much from saving your shield. I'm a person that prefers to keep his shield above 10% when npc hunting.
That's my opinion, good luck in testing them yourself.
Oh btw large projs suck in RoF but they are very cool in dmg, i think they are even better in dmg than large hybrids, i guess only skills will make the projs RoF acceptable and perhaps a dmg/RoF mod will help also.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2004.03.25 10:02:00 -
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Fitting requirements are also worth looking at. For example, projectiles tend to have lower CPU reqs than hybrids.
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dabster
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Posted - 2004.03.25 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: dabster on 25/03/2004 11:37:10
You should also consider what race you are and what ships you will be flying for the nearest future. Ships and skills give special bonuses, for example Minmatar get bonuses with Projectile-turrets, so you 'lose' a lot if you use Hybrid on Minmatar-ships.
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Psyrex
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Posted - 2004.03.26 07:35:00 -
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Edited by: Psyrex on 26/03/2004 07:36:40
i have to admit that i've been toying with the idea of switching from Hybs to Projectiles.
this was all due the damage a 1400mm could do.
now the 1400mm's are slower then 425mm rails so this made me pause for thought.
well it all came down to 1 night of attacks.
That night (still with hybs) i started getting wrecking damage of 400 - 520 (you can see in my signature).
This made up my mind that Hyb's really could do decent damage and so i've stuck with them.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.03.26 13:14:00 -
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Another thing to consider in PvP is that if your target is highly thermal (or whatever) resistant, you can switch amo and thus damage type with projectiles while with hybrid and lasers you're kinda stuck with 2 damage types.
Worth considering, anyway.
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Simen Looswe
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Posted - 2004.03.26 13:30:00 -
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i got 200+ wrecking shots with plutonium on a thorax with standard 250's
On my moa i fitted 2x compressed 250's, with current skills they have a damage modifier of 3.945. Which is VERY nice in my world.
With thorium i get optimal of 29.5km and shooting 80's-90's to 41 km
Lots of hits too. cap usage isn't much and damage and number of hits are good.
Hybrids are average in all departments(range,dmg,cap usage)which makes them well balanced.
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.03.26 17:36:00 -
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i got 200+ wrecking shots with plutonium on a thorax with standard 250's
On my moa i fitted 2x compressed 250's, with current skills they have a damage modifier of 3.945. Which is VERY nice in my world.
With thorium i get optimal of 29.5km and shooting 80's-90's to 41 km
Lots of hits too. cap usage isn't much and damage and number of hits are good.
Hybrids are average in all departments(range,dmg,cap usage)which makes them well balanced.
I can do that with stock 720mm Howlitzers on a non bonus ship. You may shoot twice as fast but I can take twice as much damage due to having cap for other things such as shields. I tend to believe in Proj for all things but gallente. If you have gallente ships then use hybrids for sure... just watch your cap like a hawk.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.03.26 18:57:00 -
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I swear by 3 250 rails on my maller.
After checking through some of the stats tho, i'm gonna see what i can do with 720's. If i can get 4 or 5 of them on i might switch over and use the extra cap for a shield hardner.
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Deadflip2
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Posted - 2004.03.27 11:17:00 -
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I swear by 3 250 rails on my maller.
After checking through some of the stats tho, i'm gonna see what i can do with 720's. If i can get 4 or 5 of them on i might switch over and use the extra cap for a shield hardner.
uhm... get a thorax or moa  , you're missing out on like 20% bonus to ur guns!!
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Outcastino
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Posted - 2004.03.27 11:28:00 -
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I got 400+ wreckings on my 720s...mhm...
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Ashantee
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Posted - 2004.03.29 01:49:00 -
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my current best for my 720 is 304.9.. that was in my stabber, and my gunnery skills are pretty bad (i'm more of a missile person, but i had to grab turrets till missiles are fixed).
Then again... i was hunting with a corp mate in a thorax who was using 250's.... he was hitting for about the same damage per shot but with much better Rof. really, he was dealing out around twice as much damage as me (same later when i was in my rupture with 4x 720s).
So i think with gallente skills rails can rule the world. then again... i have yet to try out blasters on cruisers, so i take that back, rails don't rule, blasters do (i hope)
/emote runs off to grab cruiser sized neutron blasters
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.03.29 05:48:00 -
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Edited by: Darkwolf on 29/03/2004 06:35:00
Each railgun in my Megathron exceeds a Tachyon beam in the following ways:
- Better damage-over-time
- Higher optimal range for the same ammo grade
- Better falloff
- Higher tracking
- Lower fitting requirements
- Lower capacitor use
- More effective damage types
Oh, and I can carry more of them. Railguns in Gallente ships are savage. And they absolutely beat the pants off of Projectiles.
HOWEVER, Projectiles have the distinct advantages of NO cap use, highly variable damage types, ability to use substandard ammo with low penalties, and vicious single-hit damage potential.
That single-hit damage potential is key when ganking weaker opponents, whereas the damage-over-time is (to a large extent, there ARE exceptions) more important against a stronger opponent.
Really, it's your choice. Both have their advantages, both have disadvantages.
edit: stupid list tags don't work like in phpbb2
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