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Lymm
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Posted - 2003.06.12 07:48:00 -
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Congrats TTI. You guys really busted bunnies gettin it, so kudos to ya!
*checks to make sure is MWD is running at 100% performance*
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Sun Wu
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Posted - 2003.06.12 08:32:00 -
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J0rt:I thought you guys would have beaten everyone to the battleship, from what i hear your about 5th in the que :P
The statement really has no meaning, as in the end it is the feeling for Shih within our ranks that defines when we choose to make a certain item. Why build a Battleship 1 week after release if there is no chance any pilot in the universe is able to fly it, yet alone use it effectively. To even a larger extent than being a warrior without MWD in a cruiser just being able to fly a battleship doesn't make it effective or powerful. We felt the time was ripe to make one so a couple members in NSD decided to spend part of their wealth to aquire said battleship. This is the tao of TTI, individuals coming together when the need and possible profit is present and waiting to be harvested.
Also as the name implies it is a battleship, made for battle, not mining. If you want to get a large number of mining lasers cruisers are a much more efficient investment.
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Nephlite
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Posted - 2003.06.12 10:28:00 -
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"Why build a Battleship 1 week after release if there is no chance any pilot in the universe is able to fly it"
Don't know about TTI NSD or whatever but my corp bought its Scorpion BP without having any pilots who can fly it (doubt we will have any for a while even).
We are using the extra time to research the BP. It pays to buy it early so you can save on costs through research.
Edited by: Nephlite on 12/06/2003 10:35:22
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Ivellios
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Posted - 2003.06.12 16:33:00 -
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A COUPLE of members spent a PORTION of their wealth to aquire a battleship BP ?
(rolls eyes)
When at last they discover the center of the universe there will be many people who will be dissapointed that they are not it. |
RAPID
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Posted - 2003.06.12 16:48:00 -
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'Also as the name implies it is a battleship, made for battle, not mining. If you want to get a large number of mining lasers cruisers are a much more efficient investment'.
and more efficient yet would be frigates (you could get 16 rifters (3 mining lasers each) and 6 hoarders for the price of one stabber...
any corps can mine efficiently if it wants - just need a bit of organisation and some warm bodies..
grats on the BP though - are you going to do something worth publicising with them then?
Perhaps using some BB's to smack MOO around? If you want good publicity that'll get you a lot more than saying - 'look we are manufacturing BB's for ourselves now..' - that impacts on the other players like how?
cheers
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Ragnar
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Posted - 2003.06.12 17:27:00 -
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TTI does not pool money for acquisition of blueprints or ships. We are one of the few corps that encourages private property and the accumulation of personal wealth. Therefore, the Battleship BP is owned by a collection of wealthy partners that made their riches in the capitalist system here.
We find that when people see a direct relationship between their work and their personal wealth that they work a lot harder and happier. In our judgment, it is much better than going out and working very hard to contribute to a common pot and you end up getting just about the same "stuff" as other people that worked half as hard (or less).
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Ragnar Danneskj÷ld
Taggart Transdimensional, Inc.
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.06.12 17:52:00 -
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We pool money in our corporation. But what one recieves from our corporation is for them to keep. Everyone is equiped in a fully armed MoA or cruiser of preference paid for by the corp and they to do with as they please. Same goes for skill kits, ammmo .......
Any system will work as long as all parties agree on it and work for a common goal.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Ivellios
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Posted - 2003.06.12 19:01:00 -
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Ragnar:
My comment was pointed at the boast that group of people as small as a "couple" has enough wealth to purchase a battleship blueprint by using only a "portion" of their wealth.
The poster insinuates that members of your corporation are so wealthy that an item of such magnitude was a mere portion of the total purse of just a few members and that said purchase could have been made much sooner if the timing had been right. Please.
Kudos to taggart for being the first corporation to pat themselves on the back...again. In fact this entire thread is not much more than another taggart "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME" advertisment.
Congratulations on your blueprint, bravo. But it is in poor form to impersonate something you are not.
"Greatness is like a river. The deeper it is, the more silently it runs.
When at last they discover the center of the universe there will be many people who will be dissapointed that they are not it. |
Byterider
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Posted - 2003.06.12 20:02:00 -
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You could not be more wrong. This isn't "TTI patting themselves on the back". I don't see anyone else advertising for future Battleship sales, we just happen to be first.
Make no mistake, if there is one thing TTI knows how to do and do it better than anyone else in the game, it's make money and make lots of it.
So until you have access to our corp wallet, I would suggest you try and keep your efforts to lessen and belittle our accomplishments to a minimum.
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Market Griefer
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Posted - 2003.06.12 20:15:00 -
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Does this thread have 3 pages? I can't see the 3rd page. I'm hoping adding another post will fix it.
edit- having posted I see this on the second page. sorry to be off topic.
Edited by: Market Griefer on 12/06/2003 20:16:26
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zorlo
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Posted - 2003.06.12 20:18:00 -
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Quote from Ragnor:
"TTI does not pool money for acquisition of blueprints or ships. We are one of the few corps that encourages private property and the accumulation of personal wealth. Therefore, the Battleship BP is owned by a collection of wealthy partners that made their riches in the capitalist system here."
So basically, the wealthy partners pooled their money together and jointly own the battleship.
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Ivellios
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Posted - 2003.06.12 20:41:00 -
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Im sorry Byterider, was I talking to you?
I thought I was addressing Ragnar... sorry for the confusion as I had assumed that you would have known when you where being addressed.
Oh and if I need your suggestions I will be sure to fire off a memo and outline for you what those suggestions should be.
Edited by: Ivellios on 12/06/2003 20:48:15
When at last they discover the center of the universe there will be many people who will be dissapointed that they are not it. |
Storwin Winters
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Posted - 2003.06.12 20:56:00 -
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Ivellios: You weren't "adressing" Ragnar, you was making the statement on how you feel about Taggart, and therefore all members of TTI, including Byterider is allowed to answer your post. If you want to send private messages to Ragnar, i suggest you send them to him personally.
As for patting our own back... We're not, and that is not the intention for this thread - we wanted to announce the news of this development to all interested in dealing with TTI - and if you are not interested, i suggest you just ignore this thread.
We're of course proud to have achieved such a thing, but we do not just want to "Pat our own back" - we want to sell them and make money on doing that.
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Byterider
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Posted - 2003.06.12 20:59:00 -
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On the contrary, Ivellios. You were indeed addressing me and every other hard working member of TTI by insinuating that we are trying to portray ourselves in a false light. Next time, get your facts straight before assuming an incorrect viewpoint and I won't have to step in to correct you.
Hope this clears things up for you.
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Anden Mercury
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Posted - 2003.06.12 21:02:00 -
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Of course you were not addressing me either so sorry for actually responding ;)
I think you should reread the post correctly, this wasnt a pat-yourself-on-the-back type of announcement.
As indicated in the release, we are announcing the pre-ordering of Scorpion Battleships for those interested. Interested corporations can take advantage of our Most Favored Corp (MFC) program by looking up: www.taggardtransdimensional.com or contacting our State Department at: mailto:[email protected]
We dont need to pat ourselves on the back, we really dont care. What we care about is making a good ship available for players and making profit with that ;)
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Sun Wu
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Posted - 2003.06.12 21:02:00 -
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A COUPLE of members spent a PORTION of their wealth to aquire a battleship BP ?
Yes, a couple members came together in the joint venture to buy and produce said battleship. This is the way we do business. As such the Bship doesn't represent a significant faction of the complete resources owned within TTI, but a portion of the members wealth who are owners of the BP, afterall noone will invest all their resources into one single item or business plan.
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Ivellios
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Posted - 2003.06.12 21:03:00 -
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Please go back and read my post Storwin before a rebuttal if you please.
You will note at the top of the post I addressed Ragnar specificaly.
<shakes head>
You boys really need to mind your own buisness. Now go play and let the adults talk will ya?
When at last they discover the center of the universe there will be many people who will be dissapointed that they are not it. |
Nibarlan
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Posted - 2003.06.12 21:10:00 -
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gees! did you people buy that billion dollar bluprint?
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Anden Mercury
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Posted - 2003.06.12 21:12:00 -
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I am sorry Ivellos, but I really dont get the point of your original post?
What you call a 'Boast' is in fact only the truth. Yes a couple of people invested part of their wealth in a business venture and acquired a Scorpion BP and are starting production.
Please go read about Taggard Transdimensional and its stated policies and goals and you will understand how this can be. It should not be too hard to understand as we have a very simple and effective business model.
Anden
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Ivellios
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Posted - 2003.06.12 23:18:00 -
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"Why build a Battleship 1 week after release if there is no chance any pilot in the universe is able to fly it, yet alone use it effectively...
We felt the time was ripe to make one so a couple members in NSD decided to spend part of their wealth to aquire said battleship."
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Anden you fail to see my point, because you need to remove the mote that is taggart rhetoric from your eye.
"amazing accomplishment"
"you worked you bunnies off"
"you guys have a billion dollar bp?"
These are the kudos that the EVE community has bestowed upon taggart for an accomplishment that requires great effort and organization, especialy given the timeline invloved. many corporations may not even seek to purchase such an enourmously expensive comodity due to the financial drain on corporate assets.
Yet your guild's contention is that just a "couple" of your members basicaly scraped together some loose change from the sofa to purchase a Scorpion blueprint and could have done so long ago if the "timing" had been right.
In case any of this was over your head or you still don't see my point. Let me break it down to simpler terms for you...
I think you are liars.
Everything that taggert does is designed to give the appearance that you are elitist, special, more enlightend and somehow better than everyone else. I find your condecending attitude distasteful and I believe you would do and say what ever it took to maintain this facade.
I think you know damn well that taggart has spent a significant portion of their holdings to afford this blueprint at this stage of the game and I am insulted by references otherwise.
It is my opinion that you are like a man who spends all of his earnings on an extavagant mansion in the Hamptons and yet has to sleep on a Futon in order to maintain the outward appearance that he is more affluent than he really is and then brags about how cheap his "summer cottage" was.
When at last they discover the center of the universe there will be many people who will be dissapointed that they are not it. |
Avienda
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Posted - 2003.06.13 00:25:00 -
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Really, all in all, folks, congrats on doing a tremendous effort on getting the capital together in buying a battleship BP. I know that you can get that money back in sales to your affiliates and such. And that it will also take time to research the BP for production use.
Kudos! No matter how it was done, whether communal pooling of funds or by two people who sacrificed a portion of their ISK, this is still a big stepping stone in the Eve universe.
Each corporation has their way of dealing with funds and with rewards. So, don't go knocking what may work for one corporation but not yours. Each corporation has their own ideals of which they were funded but I do think that we all pretty much have similar goals in the end.
To gather resources to be the best.
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Dol Cirdan
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Posted - 2003.06.13 01:17:00 -
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I love TTI...
They're really cool.
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Byterider
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Posted - 2003.06.13 01:18:00 -
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Quote:
I think you are liars
Sorry you feel that way. But it is fact that a few individuals decided to form a partnership and purchase the blueprint without making a overly significant dent in their personal fortunes. Think about it, we have the largest corp in Eve. Our shipbuilders have sold ships to many a player and the orders are still rolling in. Our traders know how to squeeze every ISK available out of their routes. Our miners can strip an entire field bare in a very short amount of time. I wish you could see the amount of taxes that alone generates. It's really quite impressive. If you think it's equal to pulling spare change from the couch, then so be it. Spare change to us is the odd 10 or 20 million we find there. ;)
But it seems like you're a bit jealous of our success. That's ok. You're entitled to your opinion no matter how flawed it is.
Don't hate, appreciate.
Edited by: Byterider on 13/06/2003 01:18:56
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Anden Mercury
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Posted - 2003.06.13 02:16:00 -
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Ohh Ivellios, were liars...now I get it thx!
Why not just make a simple one liner post saying: "Your all a bunch of liars!". Try that next time, gonna save me a lot of time trying to answer your post. I mean obviously I would just have ignored you then ;)
Have a nice life in game friend.
Come and see us when you need a Scorpion too!
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Ivellios
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Posted - 2003.06.13 03:55:00 -
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"Think about it, we have the largest corp in Eve. Our shipbuilders have sold ships to many a player and the orders are still rolling in. Our traders know how to squeeze every ISK available out of their routes. Our miners can strip an entire field bare in a very short amount of time. I wish you could see the amount of taxes that alone generates. It's really quite impressive."
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Even when you are being insulted you cannot seem to bring yourselves to stop bragging about how wonderful and impressive you are. Please...stop.... it's nauseating really.
We are not discussing the ability of taggert as a whole, in all it's brilliant glory to be able to purchase a Scorpion Blueprint but rather the veracity of statements regarding the ability of an extreeme minority of your playerbase to be able to do so out of personal funds without serious expenditure of assets.
Anden: If you like single scentences, I will also use only mono-syllabic words for your reading pleasure. (that means single syllables)
Edited by: Ivellios on 13/06/2003 03:55:31
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.06.13 07:41:00 -
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Well this thread is quickly going to hell.
At first, my reply was about admiration and congratulating the members who pulled this feat off. However, Ivellios, makes an interesting observation I missed. The fact that a small minority of a whole corp, used their own personal finances, but not a lot to dent them in any way, to purchase an incredibly expensive asset, does make you think a bit.
I'm not taking sides here, I'm merely an observer in this interesting development. There is not enough proof other than statements to make any concrete accusations.
It is possible, that the corp was collecting a lot of taxes to the point where they had enough to also pool some personal funds together, to complete the total cost of the BP.
However if only a "couple" of members put together the cash to buy this BP without denting their funds, that's very questionable.
Well, good luck with this situation.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.06.13 07:42:00 -
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Ivellios,
"I think you are liars."
This is highly offensive. Perhaps you've seen our fleets of cruisers, high end frigates and industrials flying all over the place. How can we afford this with only a couple hundred members when we're "pooling" everything for a BP?
For your information we are a completely capitalistic corporation with a 10% corporate income tax that covers our HR, admin and defense expenses. Our entire framework is based upon INDIVIDUALISM and the ability of one or a small number of people to accumulate personal wealth as they see fit.
Yes, a couple of people did pay for this BP. For your information we had one member with over $120million isk after 10 days in the game. How you ask? Through alot of playing time, mining high end ore before that was nerfed then trading.
It IS possible to accumulate vast personal wealth at TTI. I for example don't play as much as I'd like (10-15 hrs a week) yet all my characters are in cruisers, I have several million dollars in the bank, I paid $700,000 in income tax LAST WEEK to TTI which is entirely used for administrative and defense expenses and NOT for purchasing items.
If you read our website you'd see TTI is a group of highly successful independent divisions (mining, defense, trading, financial, ventures) who use a real life model of economic success to play this game.
For example, a few days ago I needed some quick startup cash for a new venture. I had to talk to a financial planner and asked for a 1.5 million isk start up loan with a one week term. NO PROBLEM. I started my venture and next week will pay the loan off. I'd pay it off now but I dont get any rebate in the interest rate so why bother. I can use my cash to make more money in the meantime.
Several individuals DO own this blueprint. I'm sorry thats so hard for you to accept but perhaps you should look back at American history at the super-rich of days gone by like JD Rockefeller and the Vanderbilts. They did acquire vast wealth thru the capitalistic model.
Visit our website and look at what we're doing before you call us liars. TTI has NO pooled wealth so your claim we spent a vast portion of our assets is completely wrong.
Don't bother telling me to go play with the kiddies, I'm a 38 year old former business owner who has an idea of what capitalism can do. I apply the same lessons learned in real life to my play in EVE at TTI.
By the way - ANYONE can accumulate this type of wealth and you don't need to join TTI to do it (just so I'm not accused of recruiting here). Just take control of your work and build a good ecomonic model within your company. There are other companies out there with capitalistic systems that are also doing very well.
I'm not bragging about TTI at all. I'm stating a fact... Capitalism works for personal wealth. We get out of it exactly what we put into it.
Please refrain from calling me a liar (which you did because I'm part of TTI too).
Calladen Nimitz
TTI Executive
Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 13/06/2003 07:49:35
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.06.13 07:44:00 -
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"Yet your guild's contention is that just a "couple" of your members basicaly scraped together some loose change from the sofa to purchase a Scorpion blueprint and could have done so long ago if the "timing" had been right."
We don't operate like a guild but like a corporation. I konw its hard to accept that people who don't pool everything can succeed but look at your own playing history for a minute. Hasn't there always been some people who put in so much more then everyone else? Are all their assets pooled and divided up? Does some mindless exec make a decision who "deserves" what kind of ship or weapon?
At TTI I pay a 10% tax and use the other 90% to decide MYSELF what kind of ship I want. What tools I want. What skills I want. The money is mine. Just as in real life if I don't log on and play I've got nothing.
TTI is designed for the group of people who believe in working for what they get. Thats not to say others don't as well but we're looking for those people who have a desire to succeed. Have you ever seen people in real life who have achieved great personal success, happiness and wealth in real life? Have you thought "How did they do that?". It isn't an accident I assure you. Its a state of mind.
"Everything that taggert does is designed to give the appearance that you are elitist, special, more enlightend and somehow better than everyone else. I find your condecending attitude distasteful and I believe you would do and say what ever it took to maintain this facade. "
Well then we're really good at it arent we. We've managed to brainwash 200+ TTI members into believing our company mantra and reciting it on command. We've convinced 200+ people to lie on these forums and in game.
I've got nothing against you Ivellios so don't take this personally. We turn down far more members then we take in. It isn't because we're "elitest" or "stuck up" at all. We look for applicants with a certain mindset (in real life). Because as we've seen even as a game real life DOES affect how we play and think.
We're not a bunch of mindless zombies pooling our cash and dividing it equally. The fact you see TTI members in small frigates and noobie ships is proof of that. People earn their way and keep what they make. I myself hope to eventually spawn a company here at TTI (shipbuilding probably). EVERYONE at TTI has the option of submitting a proposal to start a company. We're open to all who have the individual desire to succeed and profit.
Calladen Nimitz
Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 13/06/2003 07:58:21
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Shintai
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Posted - 2003.06.13 07:52:00 -
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I think it¦s cool that TTi have managed to buy the BP in this manner. Since its a very hard way to gather it, if the people in the corpoeration dont support it 100%. In TTI¦s case, the members really support their corporation 100%.
Now before anyone says..we do too etc. Well..most of you don¦t support your corporation 100%. But maybe 60-70-80-90%. You like the corporation getting stronger. But on the other hand you like to keep things aswell etc.
In CoreTech we use the polled money way. Basicly all extra loot and all mining goes to corporate wallet. So you can say we are 90% loyal to CoreTech. But we also have the "buy now" function. Where if we are close to a big BP or something. Then the members empty their wallets into the corporation wallet and we (read I) buy it. The corporation also buys skills and cruiser etc for the members. tho the pirate hunting have made it, so people have bought their skills themselves, givin abit more headroom for corporate expenses.
We run the planned economics in a minor capitalistic way. TTI runs a capitalistic economy in the utopia way ;)
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Hiro Protagonist
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Posted - 2003.06.13 07:58:00 -
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MrPops - the corp takes 10% tax on profits. That's all, and it goes towards administrative stuff, defense, etc. There was no corp-wide pooling that happened for the BP - it just wasn't necessary.
I watch my wallet like a hawk, I know every isk that goes in and out of it - none of it has been pooled to buy that BP as a corporation. Taggart does everything together as individuals. Sounds contradictory, but it works :)
Edited by: Hiro Protagonist on 13/06/2003 08:02:32
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