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Ikasu
Gallente
The Durandal Organization
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:16:00 -
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A friend of mine is looking to get into Eve, but he's still using the evil demon that is dial up. I was wondering if it would be possible for him to play without too much of a problem? Any other dial up users playing? Should I turn him away?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:18:00 -
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hmmm I don't know what his expreince will be like... he should stay in high sec, he should PvP with to many people.
However it does say that eve is built to work with dail up speeds so go for it.
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:19:00 -
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Obviously downloading the client over dialup is out of the question.
Fleet battles are probably not going to work, and Jita is likely to be worse than usual, but it might work.
Give him a copy of the client on CD or Memory stick and have him see how playable the trial is.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Matalino
Obviously downloading the client over dialup is out of the question.
Fleet battles are probably not going to work, and Jita is likely to be worse than usual, but it might work.
Give him a copy of the client on CD or Memory stick and have him see how playable the trial is.
the lastest issue of EON comes with a copy of the game.
however as you don't even need to install eve for it to work just flash drive it or move the folders to his computer with a CD or something.
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Kirren D'marr
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:27:00 -
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When I first started in EVE I played on dial-up. Back then I even downloaded the client over dial-up, but it was a bit smaller then. The game played fine, he'll just have to avoid some of the high-population areas, but no one goes there without problems, so it shouldn't really make much of a difference.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:29:00 -
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dont go to jita 
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RaTTuS
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:34:00 -
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it works -
but not for big missions or fleet battle or Jita.
but for the rest it works Ok..
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Quinten Blood
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:36:00 -
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I play Eve on dial-up, go to Jita, fight in 20 v 20 battles, use the premium graphics upgrade, ect all with no problems what so ever.
Just do him a favor and get him the updated client on a mem stick.
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JabJabVVV
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.23 20:13:00 -
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I was watching bandwidth usage today out of curiosity.
With light skirmishing, 100-150 in system, around 50 on grid and teamspeak running using a low quality codec total download data rate never exceeded 4 kB/sec and total upload never exceeded 1 kB/sec (according to DU Meter). From these figures I would guess that Eve is playable on a reliable, high quality dial up connection as long as you aren't involved in heavy fighting.
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Zenst
Gallente
Omniscient Order
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.23 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Zenst on 23/01/2008 20:38:31
Hmmm fantastic oppertunity to do nice stats report and give us lots of numbers to go wow I understand what you (CCP) have to deal with snd nice to know. But we can but hope they dont miss this oppertunity to bestow hard facts instead of player speculation and reverse engineering the manual type approach of support.
But from what I have seen if you generaly avoidf TS/VENT then you will be ok - its just the odd' spikes and the initial game-load were you will feel the most pain.
ALSO CHANGE YOUR MODEM COMMANDS MODE INITIATION FROM DEFAULT or somebody could name there ship +++ATDH and anytime you scan there ship name your modem will hangup ;(.
PS - now your talking to the steam people - just lic there engine for the in-station stuff and give us TF2 eve-stylee :o).
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.01.23 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 23/01/2008 20:47:17
Nope. Broadband is the entry level for Eve. I tried dial-up and I would never use it again. Logging into Eve does take a while on dial-up for me.
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GeekWarrior
Gallente
e X i l e
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.01.23 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 23/01/2008 20:47:17
Nope. Broadband is the entry level for Eve. I tried dial-up and I would never use it again. Logging into Eve does take a while on dial-up for me.
Wrong. EVE works just fine on dial up, however voice coms will create lag in high traffic areas.
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Kaar Tath
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Posted - 2008.01.23 23:13:00 -
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whats dial-up 
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RaTTuS
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.01.23 23:28:00 -
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Entering game may take a while - but you'll get there - dont use voice software at the same time and youo'll be fine
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McAltyalty
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Posted - 2008.01.23 23:44:00 -
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Eve is very dialup friendly, well slightly more than WoW and sometime possibly worse. You're not going to be able to do big group PvP, but you may be able to do small group PvP, missioning should be fine as well as mining.
Just stay away from populated systems, you will NEVER get out of Jita on dialup - trust me I tried it years ago and it took me 4 days and its only gotten worse. However if you do have access to highspeed Jita while unplayably laggy is still fine for shopping and getting out of - which is all you should be doing in Jita anyway.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.01.23 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 23/01/2008 23:46:50
Originally by: GeekWarrior
Wrong. EVE works just fine on dial up, however voice coms will create lag in high traffic areas.
What? I do not know what kind of dial-up you are using but mine was quite slow when I was entering stations and space. They took a while for me.
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Kaar Tath
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.24 00:16:00 -
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your English has improved rapidly Jenny 
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Helison
Gallente
Times of Ancar
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.01.24 00:41:00 -
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It works quite ok, but stay away from fleetbattles and EveVoice won¦t work at all.
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Berious
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.01.24 01:00:00 -
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I played Eve just fine of dial-up for about 6 months. You might miss a few tackles or get yelled at once or twice for falling behind but it's basically playable. Browsing the market could be hell though - but you adapt your expectations.
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.24 01:07:00 -
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very doable at the very end of lone 0.0. past 40 in sys, you're dead :p
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SupaFlyTNT
Darwin With Attitude
oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2008.01.24 01:12:00 -
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ive had to use dial up at various points over the last few months and never had a problem playing eve. sometimes vent got a bit choppy with a lot of people on and browsing t'internet whilst playing could sometimes be a strain. other than that though is seemed fine
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Neon Genesis
The Landed Gentry
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Posted - 2008.01.24 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 23/01/2008 20:47:17
Nope. Broadband is the entry level for Eve. I tried dial-up and I would never use it again. Logging into Eve does take a while on dial-up for me.
Classic rubbish.
Eve is one of the few MMO's that you can play on dial-up. I did for a long time while I was in Uni halls. Obviously don't expect to get perfect performance in battles with 20+ people but in normal situations it's fine.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.01.24 01:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/01/2008 01:24:03
Neon, if you seriously believe so please do use dial-ups from now on.  Do not ever use broadband for Eve.
Ikasu, I think the best way to tell is to get your friend to play with a trial for a month. Seeing is believing.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.24 01:25:00 -
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I have done eve via dialup a few times. It works but it aint pretty, any session change can be like entering jita on a sunday is for a broadband user. Taking minutes to load at times.
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Ardvaark Ratnik
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Posted - 2008.01.24 01:42:00 -
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Heh, Jenny, you are a troll. I have a younger brother that plays on dial-up and plays just fine in fleet battles and the works. Just because you had a bad ISP doesn't mean everyone fits your situation.
To answer the OP's question, Eve plays fine on Dial-up. As others said, Teamspeak/Ventrilo both get a little choppy when a lot is going on, but it works. You are going to have to find a way to get him the install file, but other than that, he should be able to play without much issue.
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Ikasu
Gallente
The Durandal Organization
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Posted - 2008.01.24 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/01/2008 01:24:03
Neon, if you seriously believe so please do use dial-ups from now on. Do not ever use broadband for Eve.
You're a very hostile person aren't you?
Thanks everyone, I told him to give a shot. I don't think he'll make it anyway, it may seem odd to say but from his personality...he seems more like a WoW player then an EvE player. Either way, I hope he does well.
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Helen Hunts
Gallente
Red Dragon Mining inc
Red Dragon Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.24 02:54:00 -
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Bear in mind that the character 'Jenny Spitfire' has changed hands at least twice, and seems to lose a few IQ points each change. A pity I never got to meet the original Jenny 
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Ghost Goat
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Posted - 2008.01.24 03:04:00 -
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In some cases EVE is even not broadband friendly ...
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.01.24 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kaar Tath
Edited by: Kaar Tath on 23/01/2008 23:30:44
whats dial-up
you almost think that would be a valid question 
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Beth Dei
Gallente
242nd Front
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Posted - 2008.01.24 03:33:00 -
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When (very) desperate to change skills or back when I mined in highsec, I use my very antiquated cellphone with my laptop. Approx 12kbps speed and 8-10 seconds of latency, and Eve works fine.
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grizouh
Tri Optimum
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.01.24 05:10:00 -
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due to living far out in the countryside I never played eve with dsl, only 64k isdn.
and it always had been fine (ofc with ts, also when ts stumbles if you have to load a new grid with lots of other players but you should be quiet in big op¦s anyway <g>), sometimes in big battles i even loaded quicker than all the broadband users ^^
but these experiences are only pre trinity as i do not play active at the moment.
a lot of loading-lag can generally be avoided with the right settings ingame and i suffered from less e-warps in big gangs than the standard player with "bad" ingame settings and who does not know where his "stop ship-button" is.
the only noticeable difference is that it takes me generally a bit longer to jump through gates. funnily enough this only gives a disadvantage in small scale pvp.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2008.01.24 05:39:00 -
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You can use a download manager and download eve, I did.
Dial up is okay that's what I use. However it is difficult in some level 4s and in medium to large groups of PVP because you sometimes get the inherent lag.
However for other things it seems to do fine for me. Small group PVP you are okay (that is less than a dozen involved).
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Dahin
Maza Nostra
oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2008.01.24 06:08:00 -
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Edited by: Dahin on 24/01/2008 06:08:58
Since I use a VPN to route my traffic to the eve server I can see the total amount of up/down data.
I had 2 accounts up, both moving stuff left and right non-stop. In about 1.5-2 hours I had a total up of 1.5 and down of 5mbytes.
So yeah that's well within the data of a dialup, BUT:
Data shows up from eve in bursts, so you will definitely have longer loading times in systems and stations.
If I remember correctly running lvl4 missions in a quiet system approximately doubled that number for one character (so quadruple the per-char data).
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.01.24 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/01/2008 07:13:26
Originally by: Ardvaark Ratnik
Heh, Jenny, you are a troll. I have a younger brother that plays on dial-up and plays just fine in fleet battles and the works. Just because you had a bad ISP doesn't mean everyone fits your situation.
You can read post number 16 and 34. I guess this is what you get when you tell people the truth or something they don't like hearing. 
Fine then. Eve on dial-up is super fast. Let me see, the last time I tried Eve on dial-up, I had no problem passing Jita. Is that good enough Ardvaark?
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hellsknights
RennTech
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.24 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ardvaark Ratnik
Heh, Jenny, you are a troll. I have a younger brother that plays on dial-up and plays just fine in fleet battles and the works. Just because you had a bad ISP doesn't mean everyone fits your situation.
To answer the OP's question, Eve plays fine on Dial-up. As others said, Teamspeak/Ventrilo both get a little choppy when a lot is going on, but it works. You are going to have to find a way to get him the install file, but other than that, he should be able to play without much issue.
Ardvaark
How is Jenny trolling??? He/she is talking about his own experience...To me thats giving an opinionand an answer based on his knowledge, that is not trolling.
Now put a sock in it and let people give their opinion and past or present experiences.
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AntonioBanderas
Empirius Enigmus Navy
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.01.24 08:56:00 -
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for playing in empire, missions, mining and ****, it's more than enough.
I didn't try using voice comms, but everything else was fine.
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Althea Nar'agh
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.01.24 09:15:00 -
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Edited by: Althea Nar''agh on 24/01/2008 09:15:00
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/01/2008 07:13:26
Originally by: Ardvaark Ratnik
Heh, Jenny, you are a troll. I have a younger brother that plays on dial-up and plays just fine in fleet battles and the works. Just because you had a bad ISP doesn't mean everyone fits your situation.
You can read post number 16 and 34. I guess this is what you get when you tell people the truth or something they don't like hearing.
Fine then. Eve on dial-up is super fast. Let me see, the last time I tried Eve on dial-up, I had no problem passing Jita. Is that good enough Ardvaark?
Hm Jenny taking ppl to seriously... =? new Jenny 
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.24 09:16:00 -
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Do your friend a favor and pull him out of 1996.
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Posted - 2008.01.24 09:47:00 -
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Well, having played it on dial up I can say it's playable, much more so then WoW for example. However don't do large missions, fleet battles or go into systems like jita. Although you can physically, if you get a spike your game will just freeze/lag and you wont be able to move for a few minutes. In a mission this means you are dead.
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Ikasu
Gallente
The Durandal Organization
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Posted - 2008.01.24 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/01/2008 07:13:26
Originally by: Ardvaark Ratnik
Heh, Jenny, you are a troll. I have a younger brother that plays on dial-up and plays just fine in fleet battles and the works. Just because you had a bad ISP doesn't mean everyone fits your situation.
You can read post number 16 and 34. I guess this is what you get when you tell people the truth or something they don't like hearing.
Fine then. Eve on dial-up is super fast. Let me see, the last time I tried Eve on dial-up, I had no problem passing Jita. Is that good enough Ardvaark?
And I can see that you. infact, do not know how to read. Nobody here has said that Eve is super fast on Dial-up, but that it is playable. Someone disagrees with your opinion and you go flippy. You're a very hostile person, and I guess some people just don't appreciate that. I don't care either way, i got my answer.
Gonna tell him to give it a shot.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.01.24 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/01/2008 19:56:53
Ikasu, if you know how to read Neon's reply then you will know who is hostile. In case you don't know how, it is post number 22 with starting words, "classic rubbish".
But at least I am happy that at the end of the day, you have decided to take my advice to tell your friend to play with a trial for a month. Seeing is believing. 
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GWash
Minmatar
Cohort.
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Posted - 2008.01.24 20:02:00 -
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2nd petition for the old jenny back.
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Lord Bleu
MisFunk Inc.
Frontline.
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Posted - 2008.01.24 20:23:00 -
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Eve isnt even broadband friendly
JOKE DAMNIT!
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