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Korran Minare Gallente Spaced Cowboys Dread Sovereign	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:03:00 - [31] Quote: A character location may be anything linked to his/her physical state and not simply a geographical change. For instance, docking, ejecting, changing ships, being pod-killed, losing your vessel, jump cloning, jumping through a gate, joining/leaving a gang and/or changing roles within a gang, are all actions that trigger the timer. Warping, destroying objects, throttling in space, activating a module or being shot at are however not session changes as your character attributes stay the same. this Originally by: Korran Minare what would you put on space pizza anyway????
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:03:00 - [32] the reason i petitioned it was, as you so lovingly put it, was unaware that you have to wait 30 seconds to jump through a gate after someone has popped you. Now that i know that then its a pointless exercise. However i have now found out why the original players of 4 years and plus are getting away from this game if its filling up with aggressive teenagers like you Tar.......
Marcus TheMartin Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:05:00 - [33] The really messed up thing about this is that when you lose a ship you enter a session change so you can't jump out
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:07:00 - [34] Yes intresting reading some of those things. Anyway to make you happy i wont bother Petitioning it, it may upset more people like Tar, who gets really angry at people asking questions it seems. Where have all the better people in Eve all migrated to??
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:11:00 - [35] Originally by: widgetman Yes intresting reading some of those things. Anyway to make you happy i wont bother Petitioning it, it may upset more people like Tar, who gets really angry at people asking questions it seems. Actually, it was mostly that it seemed like you were petitioning something without a valid reason just because you lost a lot of isk. Said petition ends up screwing over those who have more legitimate reasons for losses, which tends to irk me. However, I probably was a bit overzealous, and for that I apologize. Nothing personal, I swear. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Alora Venoda Caldari GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:11:00 - [36] you may have a session timer to jump out, but you could have warped to a planet or something instead. i heard a rumor that the autopilot can defeat the lag involved with manually jumping on contact with a gate. but probably a smart bomb, if timed correctly, would still be able to hit you. if the smart bomb blows up your ship, wouldn't it require a second weapon cycle to also blow up your pod? ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:12:00 - [37] I recommend selecting the gate and using the overview to jump. /makes fart noise
Korran Minare Gallente Spaced Cowboys Dread Sovereign	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:12:00 - [38] if they have more than one fitted you dont need to cycle them Originally by: Korran Minare what would you put on space pizza anyway????
tek tek Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:14:00 - [39] Originally by: widgetman Ok so if i eject from ship i agree that is an action by me, my own decision and i should have to wait 30 seconds to jump. However if my ship is popped by a third party that is not my decision so why do i then have to wait ??? Any way if i do have to wait 30 seconds to jump, then i have no right to petition. But after 4 years of Eve thats new to me, i was not aware of that rule. I guess after four years you have not seen everything. But I got popped that way. You were most likely taking damage before even coming out of warp. And pretty much insta popped. I killed and have been killed right at that "tweener" moment when you are not really on the other side yet but the craft is slowly disappearing form the side you are leaving. And that craft can be hit during that time. Lead follow or get the hell out of the way!
Angel DeMorphis Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:16:00 - [40] Originally by: widgetman the reason i petitioned it was, as you so lovingly put it, was unaware that you have to wait 30 seconds to jump through a gate after someone has popped you. Now that i know that then its a pointless exercise. However i have now found out why the original players of 4 years and plus are getting away from this game if its filling up with aggressive teenagers like you Tar....... Oh, not agressive teenagers like Tar. He's a forum warrior, but not one of the more immature ones you may run into on these forums. That being said, at least he apologized. My sig taken from this site. [IMAGE REMOVED]
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:16:00 - [41] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin The really messed up thing about this is that when you lose a ship you enter a session change so you can't jump out This not true. I have many times been denied for jumping due to aggression, but as soon as my ship popped, my pod jumped out. It even reset the aggression timer. The case about the "Jumping" is although you havent actually jumped yet, your ship should be "invulnerable" You will see this message as you try to lock it. Obviously a ship is not invulnerable to a smart bomb during this process. Whether this is intended or not is a different matter. Once again, you do NOT get a session change when your ship is popped. Only once I lost a ceptor to Smart bombs on gate, and I was able to immediately jump through gate. Session change happens when you change ships in station, eject or jump through gates. Not on destruction
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:19:00 - [42] yes knowing now that i cant jump at a gate until 30 seconds have gone i would have warped away. but not having a message or anything to tell me, it just said "jumping to system" i was not aware of this. My screen then was blank for ages,thinking i had jumped i didnt worry. I ended up surprised in station. So i checked log and as i stated i had jumped, but after the jumped to system had appeared it has about another 8 hits from missiles also on the sheet, from other players who dont appear on my kill rights either? But if i cant jump then thats ok but why the hell didnt i get a message??
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:22:00 - [43] Ahh tresting, so im correct i should have been able to jump?? looking at the log it was missiles that hit me pod to kill me????( this is the 22 seconds after i had jumped however). And these guys are not on my Kill rights either ???
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:24:00 - [44] Hang on !!! Just looked properley at log. is it ok to list it ??
Angel DeMorphis Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:27:00 - [45] Originally by: widgetman Ahh tresting, so im correct i should have been able to jump?? So one disconnected bobble head on the forums says one thing, another says another thing, etc. Despite what Tar says, I would recommend you petition it. Even if you weren't to get your implants back, the most valuable thing from the petition is your ability to learn from it. The GM will be able to tell you whether you deserve your implants back depending on what the logs say. You should be able to go away from the matter at least knowing what CCP says about pods being able to jump after losing a ship, as opposed to Mighty Forum Warrior telling you. My sig taken from this site. [IMAGE REMOVED]
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:27:00 - [46] ------------------------------------------------------------ Gamelog Listener: widgetman Session started: 2008.01.24 18:51:10 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2008.01.24 18:51:15 ] (notify) Mira Jonovich: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:16 ] (notify) Insomnium: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:18 ] (notify) Session change already in progress. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:18 ] (notify) Autopilot jumping to Crielere [ 2008.01.24 18:51:27 ] (notify) Mist3r Evil: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:28 ] (notify) LTunesDragon: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:29 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile belonging to LTunesDragon hits you, doing 26.0 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:29 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile belonging to LTunesDragon hits you, doing 26.0 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:30 ] (notify) Autopilot jumping to Crielere [ 2008.01.24 18:51:31 ] (notify) Mira Jonovich: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:31 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile belonging to LTunesDragon hits you, doing 23.0 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:31 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Devastator Cruise Missile belonging to LTunesDragon hits you, doing 38.9 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:32 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile belonging to LTunesDragon hits you, doing 13.0 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:33 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile belonging to LTunesDragon hits you, doing 28.1 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:39 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile belonging to LTunesDragon hits you, doing 32.4 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:40 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile belonging to Mist3r Evil hits you, doing 60.0 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:40 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile belonging to LTunesDragon hits you, doing 38.6 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:40 ] (notify) Mist3r Evil: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:40 ] (notify) LTunesDragon: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences.
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:28:00 - [47] Any experts please tell me if im a prat ??? It does state session change in progress??
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:28:00 - [48] Originally by: widgetman Hang on !!! Just looked properley at log. is it ok to list it ?? I think so. Question is, is the session change timer taking affect after a ship destroyed a bug or a properly-functioning mechanic? Anecdotal evidence from players says one thing, the knowledgebase says another. Unfortunately the GMs are more likely to go by the knowledgebase though... ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:32:00 - [49] yes, im just completly confused to say the least. Looking at it it does say session change in progress as i jumped????
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:37:00 - [50] Edited by: Tarminic on 24/01/2008 21:37:53 Originally by: widgetman [ 2008.01.24 18:51:18 ] (notify) Session change already in progress. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:18 ] (notify) Autopilot jumping to Crielere ... [ 2008.01.24 18:51:30 ] (notify) Autopilot jumping to Crielere There's the "session change in progress" notification - I think the autopilot is continually trying to jump to the next system and it getting rejected due to the session timer. I don't think that you will receive the notification every time you attempt to jump, but I'm not sure. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:39:00 - [51] I need an expert to look at it i think.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:48:00 - [52] Originally by: widgetman I need an expert to look at it i think. Yep...make sure your petition is detailed, and if the response you get seems a bit shady escalate it - a senior GM would probably know what the right answer to this is. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Vactet SiK Elite The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.24 22:06:00 - [53] Escalate it..period. Time after time, the regular GM's have shown they lack any knowledge of the game. Meaning...they know how it 'should' work...but never how it 'actually' works. So they base all of their reactions on faulty information. So yeh, just escalate it and if they close it before you are happy with the answer...open a new one. After doing this about four or five times, they get really cranky and will usually care enough (so youll stop petitioning) to actually explain the situation to you better. As for your issue. Petition for pod loss and ship loss. Why? Theres a fault game mechanic involved, well three. 1: That period where you come out of warp where you a) cant see whats infront of you. b) you cant do anything at all. 2: The notifications suck. Yes yes CCP was trying to be cute and funny with them, whatever, if i want cute and funny ill go punch babies. The notifications need to give players more information. "Sorry cant do that" is rather lacking information. "Sorry, you cant jump right now" gives you the information needed to make the decision to go to a planet. Its kind of like how saying 'no' without an effective reason is a faulty parenting technique. 3:The period where you jump and have no control. If its true that your ship is sorta on both sides while jumping, then wow..******. I hit jump (and as long as there is no notifications) i expect to jump immediately, not some half arsed slide thru the gate and be in two places at once. (Sounds about as hazardous as crossing the beams ) So yeh theres my 2cents. If you cant tell, after almost 2 years i am rather lacking of restraint when CCP screws the pooch. Dont like it? Great, enjoy your point of view, i wont tell you you're wrong. But this is mine so bugger off. Delivering the kick to the jaw of society to stop it from drooling on itself like the ignorant slop it is since 1984. Originally by:** CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Nooto Panta-Rhei Phoenix Allianz	Posted - 2008.01.24 22:13:00 - [54] forget it ccp has their own server side special cheatblingblingblubb logs who dont show anything every time someone loose a ship to lag or anything like this. BEWARE!!! All text above this sig represents my personal opinion. This in no way reflects the views of my corporation or alliance
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 22:16:00 - [55] Ok slight dilemma.........im off on Travels on Sat and will be back in August...... So is it worth me petitioning it and maybe when i return they may have answered????
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.24 22:18:00 - [56] Originally by: widgetman Ok slight dilemma.........im off on Travels on Sat and will be back in August...... So is it worth me petitioning it and maybe when i return they may have answered???? It's a safe bet that your petition will be answered by august. You can check up on petitions through the EVE website, after you file it check back every week or so - they may want more information. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.01.24 23:35:00 - [57] You got smartbombed in Rancer , you deserved to lose your pod. All fair and square in my book , game mechanics are the same for everyone. Originally by: ivan draco we didnt want your post anyway
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.01.24 23:44:00 - [58] Originally by: widgetman Ok slight dilemma.........im off on Travels on Sat and will be back in August...... So is it worth me petitioning it and maybe when i return they may have answered???? Unless you will be able to answer questions the GM's have regarding this issue, then no it will not be worth it. It will probably take them a couple of weeks to get to your petition, at which point you will likely need to explain a bit more about what happened before they will do anything. If you wait until August they will not do anything for sure. You can access the petition system via the website, if that helps.

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