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widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 19:14:00 - [1] Ok in a taranis warped to 0 to gate in low secended up 54m off gate with insta jump deployed i got killed by a smartbomb???? Not only killed also podded. My log shows i had acutally jumped 12 seconds before i was killed???? I also jumped after ship whent pop to ensure i stayed in pod???? How the hell does that work???? Lagg???
wierchas noobhunter Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.24 19:15:00 - [2] no
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.01.24 19:19:00 - [3] Originally by: widgetman Ok in a taranis warped to 0 to gate in low secended up 54m off gate with insta jump deployed i got killed by a smartbomb???? Not only killed also podded. My log shows i had acutally jumped 12 seconds before i was killed???? I also jumped after ship whent pop to ensure i stayed in pod???? How the hell does that work???? Lagg??? While you cannot petition against the method of kill, it's perfectly legit to smart bomb ships as they come out of warp. You may try to petition the loss of your pod. If you do in fact have logs saying "Jumping", then so will the GM's My guess is your ship was destroyed as it came out of warp BEFORE you clicked jump (While you exiting warp, a smartbomb can hit you), and the pod was destroyed while you were "Jumping" Bottom line, you wont get your ship back...but maybe the pod
Marcus TheMartin Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.24 19:20:00 - [4] I warp to 30km in ceptors and just mwd to the gate if its clear saves me quite a few ships after some fin fleet guy got me in l4x
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 19:30:00 - [5] Yes i can except the ship loss, but why should i accept the Pod loss when i had jumped into next system? My log shows i had jumped [ 2008.01.24 18:51:18 ] jumped into system..........2008.01.24 18:51:40.......i have last record on combat log????? 22 seconds later im in a station after jumping. I spoke to the chap who killed me, he stated he didnt see my pod?? I had jumped.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.24 19:31:00 - [6] Originally by: widgetman Yes i can except the ship loss, but why should i accept the Pod loss when i had jumped into next system? My log shows i had jumped [ 2008.01.24 18:51:18 ] jumped into system..........2008.01.24 18:51:40.......i have last record on combat log????? 22 seconds later im in a station after jumping. I spoke to the chap who killed me, he stated he didnt see my pod?? I had jumped. Unless you saw yourself in the next system and local had changed over before you woke up in the clone bay, you obviously didn't make it in time. "Jumping..." does not equal "Jumped" sadly. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.24 19:32:00 - [7] I think you should not because it is only a Taranis and it costs only a few million ISKs. So it is a waste of time submitting a petition. If it was a battleship and worth millions then it is worth petitioning. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Angel DeMorphis Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.24 19:37:00 - [8] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: widgetman Yes i can except the ship loss, but why should i accept the Pod loss when i had jumped into next system? My log shows i had jumped [ 2008.01.24 18:51:18 ] jumped into system..........2008.01.24 18:51:40.......i have last record on combat log????? 22 seconds later im in a station after jumping. I spoke to the chap who killed me, he stated he didnt see my pod?? I had jumped. Unless you saw yourself in the next system and local had changed over before you woke up in the clone bay, you obviously didn't make it in time. "Jumping..." does not equal "Jumped" sadly. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:18 ] jumped into system However, if he falsified that part, that's something else. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I think you should not because it is only a Taranis and it costs only a few million ISKs. So it is a waste of time submitting a petition. If it was a battleship and worth millions then it is worth petitioning. To answer your post: Originally by: widgetman Yes i can except the ship loss, but why should i accept the Pod loss when i had jumped into next system? Reading, Rank 18, Lvl 4 ftw! My sig taken from this site. [IMAGE REMOVED]
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 19:43:00 - [9] So does it take over 22 seconds to jump into a system at 54m from a gate??? No it doesnt. I had jumped according to me and my log. It does not take 22 seconds to get through a gate, at 54m off it . I dont care about the ship. What i do care about is the game working correctly, and when i jump i would like to think that means i have. If this is not the case then how long does it take to jump?? 22 seconds seems along time my friend.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.01.24 19:44:00 - [10] You will probably not get your ship back, here is why: - Smartbomds were probably active continously - Therefore your ship was most likely destroyed while it was coming out of warp, before it would be possible to activate the jump gate - With the destruction of your ship, there is a 30 second session change counter before your pod could jump - Your pod would certainly be destroyed in less than those 30 seconds As for your logs, server side logs would override anything claimed by your client. You client might have recorded your attempt to jump before the server acknowledged that the jump had taken place and before it had received notification that your ship had been destroyed. The fact that your client was displaying information that was slightly behind what was happening on the server would not have changed the out come of the encounter. Even if your client was perfectly responsive, you would have still lost both your ship and your pod. You can try petitioning if you think that something else might have caused your ships destruction, but I would expect any petition in a case like this to be a waste of time for both you and the GM.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.24 19:46:00 - [11] Originally by: widgetman So does it take over 22 seconds to jump into a system at 54m from a gate??? No it doesnt. I had jumped according to me and my log. It does not take 22 seconds to get through a gate, at 54m off it . I dont care about the ship. What i do care about is the game working correctly, and when i jump i would like to think that means i have. If this is not the case then how long does it take to jump?? 22 seconds seems along time my friend. That's great, and lag isn't a valid reason for reimbursement. Still. So no, you shouldn't petition it. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
tek tek Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.24 19:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I think you should not because it is only a Taranis and it costs only a few million ISKs. So it is a waste of time submitting a petition. If it was a battleship and worth millions then it is worth petitioning. Jenny III, the rigs alone on a ceptor can be more than some tier 1 Battle ships. And depending where you get them as much as a tier 2. Then you have some that pimp them out with faction fittings. So use some math and do a market search. You might be surprised. Lead follow or get the hell out of the way!
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 19:57:00 - [13] why do you have to wait 30 seconds to jump after the destrution of your ship??? If this is the case then that is why i couldnt jump. i was not aware of this? I have previously jumped straight away after a ship has been popped?? as for the ship it was a bog standard Taranis nothing on it, but the issue is the game working correctly not the cost.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:04:00 - [14] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/01/2008 20:03:57 Angel, if a pod loss is only a couple of millions, I still think it is better to absorb it than to petition. It is not that expensive and saves GMs time for someone else with bigger issues. It is not like it is a few hundred million ISKs pod. Originally by: tek tek Jenny III, the rigs alone on a ceptor can be more than some tier 1 Battle ships. And depending where you get them as much as a tier 2. Then you have some that pimp them out with faction fittings. So use some math and do a market search. You might be surprised. Oh my gawd tek tek, you are so right. If a Taranis and equipment cost billions then I think the OP should petition immediately and seek help. I mean who wouldn't if it is by billions. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:26:00 - [15] ships loss about 10 mill in total pod loss was about 1 billion.............. so you think that its ok just to write that loss off???
wierchas noobhunter Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:28:00 - [16] Originally by: widgetman ships loss about 10 mill in total pod loss was about 1 billion.............. so you think that its ok just to write that loss off??? well go on and write petition then maybe server was laggy or so
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:32:00 - [17] Originally by: widgetman ships loss about 10 mill in total pod loss was about 1 billion.............. so you think that its ok just to write that loss off??? Your ship was destroyed. 30 second timer. Your pod was destroyed 22 seconds later. What issue are you petitioning? ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:35:00 - [18] I have petitioned it, but im not aware that you had to wait 30 seconds to actually jump through a gate? Also if this is a new addition to eve it should tell me so on screen surely??? ie:" you have to wait another 28 seconds to jump "etc?
tek tek Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/01/2008 20:03:57 Angel, if a pod loss is only a couple of millions, I still think it is better to absorb it than to petition. It is not that expensive and saves GMs time for someone else with bigger issues. It is not like it is a few hundred million ISKs pod. Originally by: tek tek Jenny III, the rigs alone on a ceptor can be more than some tier 1 Battle ships. And depending where you get them as much as a tier 2. Then you have some that pimp them out with faction fittings. So use some math and do a market search. You might be surprised. Oh my gawd tek tek, you are so right. If a Taranis and equipment cost billions then I think the OP should petition immediately and seek help. I mean who wouldn't if it is by billions. Wow..with your vast 2 months playing experience behind an ebay character you have proven me wrong. You are right of course. BTW, isn't time to sell it now? Maybe we can get lucky and Jenny #4 has more IQ than this current gerbil. Lead follow or get the hell out of the way!
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:37:00 - [20] Originally by: widgetman I have petitioned it, but im not aware that you had to wait 30 seconds to actually jump through a gate? Also if this is a new addition to eve it should tell me so on screen surely??? ie:" you have to wait another 28 seconds to jump "etc? So basically you have no valid reason to petition, you just want your uber-expensive implants back. Nice. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:42:00 - [21] i suggest you read what i said....i stated that i was more concerned about the game working correctly. show me where it says you have to wait 30 seconds to jump through a gate after your ship has been popped???? Or is this just knowledge you have been told?
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:43:00 - [22] Edited by: Frug on 24/01/2008 20:44:18 Originally by: widgetman I have petitioned it, but im not aware that you had to wait 30 seconds to actually jump through a gate? Also if this is a new addition to eve it should tell me so on screen surely??? ie:" you have to wait another 28 seconds to jump "etc? No it's nothing new. When you change ships for ANY reason there is a session change timer of 30 seconds. It has always been that way. If you eject and try to jump, guess what, session change. It clearly denies you permission to jump. It says 'session change in progress' so now I'm wondering why you insisted that your logs said you jumped. Edit: it is a matter of experience. Eve has terrible documentation. I don't think anyone is going to argue with that. If you want to petition them, tell them their documentation sucks, but this is not a bug and the game is working "as intended" - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:45:00 - [23] Originally by: widgetman i suggest you read what i said....i stated that i was more concerned about the game working correctly. show me where it says you have to wait 30 seconds to jump through a gate after your ship has been popped???? Or is this just knowledge you have been told? Right Here ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:45:00 - [24] exactly not anywhere does it state in my logs about waiting.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:46:00 - [25] widget I think it is hard to prove faulty game mechanics but do petition your pdo. You can tell what happnend to your ship buy make it clear you are petitioning on pod loss. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:48:00 - [26] Examples of session change timer messages: - "Just a moment while I finish gathering my senses.I'm pretty sure I can do it within 16 seconds." - "You're halfway onboard already. Please wait.Estimated time left for getting the other half aboard is 28 seconds." - "Can't do that while undocking.You should be squeezed out in 20 seconds." - "Please wait while ship is entering hangar.Scotty, the docking manager estimates 23 seconds left." I had none of these or any other messages to this affect warning me of my session change???
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:48:00 - [27] Widgetman, Simple answer is to feel free to Petition it, both ship and pod... just don't get your hopes up. We trust the GM's to look at what they look at and make the decision... we may not agree with what they see, but we trust them to look. --------*****-------- It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:49:00 - [28] Originally by: widgetman exactly not anywhere does it state in my logs about waiting. Okay, so it doesn't show, in your logs, the appropriate "session change in progress" message. Either way, no bug caused you to lose your pod, just a normal game mechanic you happen to not be aware of...despite playing this game for over three years. Once again, what valid reason do you have to petition this loss? ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 20:54:00 - [29] Ok so if i eject from ship i agree that is an action by me, my own decision and i should have to wait 30 seconds to jump. However if my ship is popped by a third party that is not my decision so why do i then have to wait ??? Any way if i do have to wait 30 seconds to jump, then i have no right to petition. But after 4 years of Eve thats new to me, i was not aware of that rule.
facepalm johnson a sackful of sacrificial sacrifices	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:02:00 - [30] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire widget I think it is hard to prove faulty game mechanics but do petition your pdo. You can tell what happnend to your ship buy make it clear you are petitioning on pod loss. What would a two month old noob know about anything, new new Jenny? That's right. Yet, you're all over GD offering sagely advice left, right and centre. I call excremental mammaries on this one!
Korran Minare Gallente Spaced Cowboys Dread Sovereign	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:03:00 - [31] Quote: A character location may be anything linked to his/her physical state and not simply a geographical change. For instance, docking, ejecting, changing ships, being pod-killed, losing your vessel, jump cloning, jumping through a gate, joining/leaving a gang and/or changing roles within a gang, are all actions that trigger the timer. Warping, destroying objects, throttling in space, activating a module or being shot at are however not session changes as your character attributes stay the same. this Originally by: Korran Minare what would you put on space pizza anyway????
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:03:00 - [32] the reason i petitioned it was, as you so lovingly put it, was unaware that you have to wait 30 seconds to jump through a gate after someone has popped you. Now that i know that then its a pointless exercise. However i have now found out why the original players of 4 years and plus are getting away from this game if its filling up with aggressive teenagers like you Tar.......
Marcus TheMartin Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:05:00 - [33] The really messed up thing about this is that when you lose a ship you enter a session change so you can't jump out
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:07:00 - [34] Yes intresting reading some of those things. Anyway to make you happy i wont bother Petitioning it, it may upset more people like Tar, who gets really angry at people asking questions it seems. Where have all the better people in Eve all migrated to??
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:11:00 - [35] Originally by: widgetman Yes intresting reading some of those things. Anyway to make you happy i wont bother Petitioning it, it may upset more people like Tar, who gets really angry at people asking questions it seems. Actually, it was mostly that it seemed like you were petitioning something without a valid reason just because you lost a lot of isk. Said petition ends up screwing over those who have more legitimate reasons for losses, which tends to irk me. However, I probably was a bit overzealous, and for that I apologize. Nothing personal, I swear. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Alora Venoda Caldari GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:11:00 - [36] you may have a session timer to jump out, but you could have warped to a planet or something instead. i heard a rumor that the autopilot can defeat the lag involved with manually jumping on contact with a gate. but probably a smart bomb, if timed correctly, would still be able to hit you. if the smart bomb blows up your ship, wouldn't it require a second weapon cycle to also blow up your pod? ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:12:00 - [37] I recommend selecting the gate and using the overview to jump. /makes fart noise
Korran Minare Gallente Spaced Cowboys Dread Sovereign	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:12:00 - [38] if they have more than one fitted you dont need to cycle them Originally by: Korran Minare what would you put on space pizza anyway????
tek tek Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:14:00 - [39] Originally by: widgetman Ok so if i eject from ship i agree that is an action by me, my own decision and i should have to wait 30 seconds to jump. However if my ship is popped by a third party that is not my decision so why do i then have to wait ??? Any way if i do have to wait 30 seconds to jump, then i have no right to petition. But after 4 years of Eve thats new to me, i was not aware of that rule. I guess after four years you have not seen everything. But I got popped that way. You were most likely taking damage before even coming out of warp. And pretty much insta popped. I killed and have been killed right at that "tweener" moment when you are not really on the other side yet but the craft is slowly disappearing form the side you are leaving. And that craft can be hit during that time. Lead follow or get the hell out of the way!
Angel DeMorphis Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:16:00 - [40] Originally by: widgetman the reason i petitioned it was, as you so lovingly put it, was unaware that you have to wait 30 seconds to jump through a gate after someone has popped you. Now that i know that then its a pointless exercise. However i have now found out why the original players of 4 years and plus are getting away from this game if its filling up with aggressive teenagers like you Tar....... Oh, not agressive teenagers like Tar. He's a forum warrior, but not one of the more immature ones you may run into on these forums. That being said, at least he apologized. My sig taken from this site. [IMAGE REMOVED]
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:16:00 - [41] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin The really messed up thing about this is that when you lose a ship you enter a session change so you can't jump out This not true. I have many times been denied for jumping due to aggression, but as soon as my ship popped, my pod jumped out. It even reset the aggression timer. The case about the "Jumping" is although you havent actually jumped yet, your ship should be "invulnerable" You will see this message as you try to lock it. Obviously a ship is not invulnerable to a smart bomb during this process. Whether this is intended or not is a different matter. Once again, you do NOT get a session change when your ship is popped. Only once I lost a ceptor to Smart bombs on gate, and I was able to immediately jump through gate. Session change happens when you change ships in station, eject or jump through gates. Not on destruction
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:19:00 - [42] yes knowing now that i cant jump at a gate until 30 seconds have gone i would have warped away. but not having a message or anything to tell me, it just said "jumping to system" i was not aware of this. My screen then was blank for ages,thinking i had jumped i didnt worry. I ended up surprised in station. So i checked log and as i stated i had jumped, but after the jumped to system had appeared it has about another 8 hits from missiles also on the sheet, from other players who dont appear on my kill rights either? But if i cant jump then thats ok but why the hell didnt i get a message??
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:22:00 - [43] Ahh tresting, so im correct i should have been able to jump?? looking at the log it was missiles that hit me pod to kill me????( this is the 22 seconds after i had jumped however). And these guys are not on my Kill rights either ???
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:24:00 - [44] Hang on !!! Just looked properley at log. is it ok to list it ??
Angel DeMorphis Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:27:00 - [45] Originally by: widgetman Ahh tresting, so im correct i should have been able to jump?? So one disconnected bobble head on the forums says one thing, another says another thing, etc. Despite what Tar says, I would recommend you petition it. Even if you weren't to get your implants back, the most valuable thing from the petition is your ability to learn from it. The GM will be able to tell you whether you deserve your implants back depending on what the logs say. You should be able to go away from the matter at least knowing what CCP says about pods being able to jump after losing a ship, as opposed to Mighty Forum Warrior telling you. My sig taken from this site. [IMAGE REMOVED]
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:27:00 - [46] ------------------------------------------------------------ Gamelog Listener: widgetman Session started: 2008.01.24 18:51:10 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2008.01.24 18:51:15 ] (notify) Mira Jonovich: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:16 ] (notify) Insomnium: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:18 ] (notify) Session change already in progress. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:18 ] (notify) Autopilot jumping to Crielere [ 2008.01.24 18:51:27 ] (notify) Mist3r Evil: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:28 ] (notify) LTunesDragon: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:29 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile belonging to LTunesDragon hits you, doing 26.0 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:29 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile belonging to LTunesDragon hits you, doing 26.0 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:30 ] (notify) Autopilot jumping to Crielere [ 2008.01.24 18:51:31 ] (notify) Mira Jonovich: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:31 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile belonging to LTunesDragon hits you, doing 23.0 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:31 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Devastator Cruise Missile belonging to LTunesDragon hits you, doing 38.9 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:32 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile belonging to LTunesDragon hits you, doing 13.0 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:33 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile belonging to LTunesDragon hits you, doing 28.1 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:39 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile belonging to LTunesDragon hits you, doing 32.4 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:40 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile belonging to Mist3r Evil hits you, doing 60.0 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:40 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile belonging to LTunesDragon hits you, doing 38.6 damage. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:40 ] (notify) Mist3r Evil: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:40 ] (notify) LTunesDragon: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences.
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:28:00 - [47] Any experts please tell me if im a prat ??? It does state session change in progress??
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:28:00 - [48] Originally by: widgetman Hang on !!! Just looked properley at log. is it ok to list it ?? I think so. Question is, is the session change timer taking affect after a ship destroyed a bug or a properly-functioning mechanic? Anecdotal evidence from players says one thing, the knowledgebase says another. Unfortunately the GMs are more likely to go by the knowledgebase though... ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:32:00 - [49] yes, im just completly confused to say the least. Looking at it it does say session change in progress as i jumped????
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:37:00 - [50] Edited by: Tarminic on 24/01/2008 21:37:53 Originally by: widgetman [ 2008.01.24 18:51:18 ] (notify) Session change already in progress. [ 2008.01.24 18:51:18 ] (notify) Autopilot jumping to Crielere ... [ 2008.01.24 18:51:30 ] (notify) Autopilot jumping to Crielere There's the "session change in progress" notification - I think the autopilot is continually trying to jump to the next system and it getting rejected due to the session timer. I don't think that you will receive the notification every time you attempt to jump, but I'm not sure. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:39:00 - [51] I need an expert to look at it i think.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.24 21:48:00 - [52] Originally by: widgetman I need an expert to look at it i think. Yep...make sure your petition is detailed, and if the response you get seems a bit shady escalate it - a senior GM would probably know what the right answer to this is. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Vactet SiK Elite The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.24 22:06:00 - [53] Escalate it..period. Time after time, the regular GM's have shown they lack any knowledge of the game. Meaning...they know how it 'should' work...but never how it 'actually' works. So they base all of their reactions on faulty information. So yeh, just escalate it and if they close it before you are happy with the answer...open a new one. After doing this about four or five times, they get really cranky and will usually care enough (so youll stop petitioning) to actually explain the situation to you better. As for your issue. Petition for pod loss and ship loss. Why? Theres a fault game mechanic involved, well three. 1: That period where you come out of warp where you a) cant see whats infront of you. b) you cant do anything at all. 2: The notifications suck. Yes yes CCP was trying to be cute and funny with them, whatever, if i want cute and funny ill go punch babies. The notifications need to give players more information. "Sorry cant do that" is rather lacking information. "Sorry, you cant jump right now" gives you the information needed to make the decision to go to a planet. Its kind of like how saying 'no' without an effective reason is a faulty parenting technique. 3:The period where you jump and have no control. If its true that your ship is sorta on both sides while jumping, then wow..******. I hit jump (and as long as there is no notifications) i expect to jump immediately, not some half arsed slide thru the gate and be in two places at once. (Sounds about as hazardous as crossing the beams ) So yeh theres my 2cents. If you cant tell, after almost 2 years i am rather lacking of restraint when CCP screws the pooch. Dont like it? Great, enjoy your point of view, i wont tell you you're wrong. But this is mine so bugger off. Delivering the kick to the jaw of society to stop it from drooling on itself like the ignorant slop it is since 1984. Originally by:** CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Nooto Panta-Rhei Phoenix Allianz	Posted - 2008.01.24 22:13:00 - [54] forget it ccp has their own server side special cheatblingblingblubb logs who dont show anything every time someone loose a ship to lag or anything like this. BEWARE!!! All text above this sig represents my personal opinion. This in no way reflects the views of my corporation or alliance
widgetman Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 22:16:00 - [55] Ok slight dilemma.........im off on Travels on Sat and will be back in August...... So is it worth me petitioning it and maybe when i return they may have answered????
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.24 22:18:00 - [56] Originally by: widgetman Ok slight dilemma.........im off on Travels on Sat and will be back in August...... So is it worth me petitioning it and maybe when i return they may have answered???? It's a safe bet that your petition will be answered by august. You can check up on petitions through the EVE website, after you file it check back every week or so - they may want more information. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.01.24 23:35:00 - [57] You got smartbombed in Rancer , you deserved to lose your pod. All fair and square in my book , game mechanics are the same for everyone. Originally by: ivan draco we didnt want your post anyway
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.01.24 23:44:00 - [58] Originally by: widgetman Ok slight dilemma.........im off on Travels on Sat and will be back in August...... So is it worth me petitioning it and maybe when i return they may have answered???? Unless you will be able to answer questions the GM's have regarding this issue, then no it will not be worth it. It will probably take them a couple of weeks to get to your petition, at which point you will likely need to explain a bit more about what happened before they will do anything. If you wait until August they will not do anything for sure. You can access the petition system via the website, if that helps.

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