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Grimm Myn Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.01.25 11:35:00 - [31] Edited by: Grimm Myn on 25/01/2008 11:35:35 Originally by: w0rmy And while theyre at it... I DEMAND Solaris support!!!!!!111oneone11one!one AS/400 plx? ¬¦¦¿¿¦¦¬¬¦¦¿¿¦¦¬¬¦¦¿¿¦¦¬ [404] Signature not found.
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.25 11:42:00 - [32] Originally by: w0rmy And while theyre at it... I DEMAND Solaris support!!!!!!111oneone11one!one you could probably get it working on Solaris\*BSD using the tar.gz file from CCP
Chancer Minmatar Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.01.25 11:44:00 - [33] Originally by: w0rmy And while theyre at it... I DEMAND Solaris support!!!!!!111oneone11one!one Not before the OS/2 conversion !! or i quit
w0rmy M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.25 11:45:00 - [34] Originally by: Norwood Franskly you could probably get it working on Solaris\BSD using the tar.gz file from CCP Im still trying to figure out where I plug in the monitor Originally by:* CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness. Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.25 11:49:00 - [35] Edited by: Andrue on 25/01/2008 11:51:42 Edited by: Andrue on 25/01/2008 11:49:44 Originally by: Norwood Franskly Upgrading libraries outside of your package manager is a stupid stupid thing to do as your pretty much guaranteed to break all the dependices on your system packages (it's like deleting your .dll files in windows and replacing them with third party crap). Do what with doodah thingummy wotsits? 99% of Windows users don't know what a DLL is and don't need to know. They don't have to faff around with 'package managers' either. Instead they just install stuff and run stuff and it mostly works without them giving a flying toss about the techie crap underneath. For the most part Windows deals with all that automatically. It's high time Linux did as well. Time spent adjusting operating system configuration is time wasted (unless your an IT bod tasked to do that). Users are supposed to use computers. Linux will never conquer the world until/unless it's fanbase can grasp that principal. In fact if the OP hadn't let himself be persauded into using Linux he would be playing Eve right now without a care in the world. Some people buy a car so that they can spend sunday afternoon lying under it and doing weird and perverse things with a wrench. Other people buy a car to transport themselves from A to B and don't like having dirty hands. Windows users don't need overalls. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
w0rmy M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.25 11:52:00 - [36] Originally by: Andrue Time spent adjusting operating system configuration is time wasted (unless your an IT bod tasked to do that). Users are supposed to use computers. Linux will never conquer the world until/unless it's fanbase can grasp that principal. Ferrari dont let just anyone buy a enzo... Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness. Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
Grimm Myn Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.01.25 11:55:00 - [37] Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 25/01/2008 11:49:44 Originally by: Norwood Franskly Upgrading libraries outside of your package manager is a stupid stupid thing to do as your pretty much guaranteed to break all the dependices on your system packages (it's like deleting your .dll files in windows and replacing them with third party crap). Do what with doodah thingummy wotsits? 99% of Windows users don't know what a DLL is and don't need to know. They don't have to faff around with 'package managers' either. Instead they just install stuff and run stuff and it mostly works without them giving a flying toss about the techie crap underneath. For the most part Windows deals with all that automatically. It's high time Linux did as well. Time spent adjusting operating system configuration is time wasted (unless your an IT bod tasked to do that). Users are supposed to use computers. Linux will never conquer the world until/unless it's fanbase can grasp that principal. Then i suggest using Ubuntu. Im a windozer-geek and after failing to compile the kernel of gentoo (gen-kernel is crap, dont use it) I tried Ubuntu. Burnt on CD, popped in, pressed next a few times like in windows and voila, linux installed and ready to go. Pre-installed with useful progs like openoffice, burn/rip software, gimp etc but still only whats needed and not every package available under the sun like KDE. Comparing some distros to those 5-10 years ago, linux has gotten MUCH more user friendly where even non-IT people can install and use it (with some RTFM) ¬¦¦¿¿¦¦¬¬¦¦¿¿¦¦¬¬¦¦¿¿¦¦¬ [404] Signature not found.
w0rmy M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.25 11:57:00 - [38] Originally by: Grimm Myn Then i suggest using Ubuntu. Or SuSE Or 1 of any 1000 other distros which does everything he said. Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness. Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.25 12:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Grimm Myn Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 25/01/2008 11:49:44 Originally by: Norwood Franskly Upgrading libraries outside of your package manager is a stupid stupid thing to do as your pretty much guaranteed to break all the dependices on your system packages (it's like deleting your .dll files in windows and replacing them with third party crap). Do what with doodah thingummy wotsits? 99% of Windows users don't know what a DLL is and don't need to know. They don't have to faff around with 'package managers' either. Instead they just install stuff and run stuff and it mostly works without them giving a flying toss about the techie crap underneath. For the most part Windows deals with all that automatically. It's high time Linux did as well. Time spent adjusting operating system configuration is time wasted (unless your an IT bod tasked to do that). Users are supposed to use computers. Linux will never conquer the world until/unless it's fanbase can grasp that principal. Then i suggest using Ubuntu. Im a windozer-geek and after failing to compile the kernel of gentoo (gen-kernel is crap, dont use it) I tried Ubuntu. Burnt on CD, popped in, pressed next a few times like in windows and voila, linux installed and ready to go. Pre-installed with useful progs like openoffice, burn/rip software, gimp etc but still only whats needed and not every package available under the sun like KDE. Comparing some distros to those 5-10 years ago, linux has gotten MUCH more user friendly where even non-IT people can install and use it (with some RTFM) exactly, average windows user doesn't need to know what a dll is average linux user doesn't need to know what .so is, my response was made to a person who specifically tried to do something technical, in a rather stupid way and then claim it was linux's fault he nerfed he's sytem, certianly not info thats needed to an average person. The package manager you are so concerned with 'faffing' around in, is the single greatest thing to have come to computing in the last 20 years and I'm not the only one to think so
Heimdal Galplen Minmatar The Nebulon Syndicate CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.25 12:04:00 - [40] Your stuff. Can I have it?
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.25 13:35:00 - [41] Originally by: Norwood Franskly The package manager you are so concerned with 'faffing' around in, is the single greatest thing to have come to computing in the last 20 years and I'm not the only one to think so There also seem to be several different versions and at least a couple of different standards. The fact someone even felt it neccessary to mention it shows that it isn't as seamless as the Windows solution. Of course the Windows solution involves maintaining an ever growing data set but at least for the most part it's seamless. And that's the point. Users don't (and shouldn't) have to care how things are distributed. It should be enough to launch a single intallation executable and then have everything ready when it's done. For the most part that's how Windows is. Sometimes you have to reboot but not if it's a properly certfied product. Windows trades efficiency for ease of use. Linux does the reverse. Unfortunately (speaking as a software developer and techie) most computer users don't care about efficiency. As long as it does what they want they are happy and that's what Windows panders to. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Bishman82 Racketeers Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.25 14:07:00 - [42] Originally by: nukems Edited by: nukems on 25/01/2008 07:29:45 Windows has no future except for games. - Stop trying to get your games working under Linux then.
Danjira Ryuujin Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.25 19:36:00 - [43] Linux troll angry! Linux troll smash! Amarr - Annoying the Eve Community since 2005
deepb	Posted - 2008.01.26 11:16:00 - [44] Quote: Time spent adjusting operating system configuration is time wasted (unless your an IT bod tasked to do that). Users are supposed to use computers. Linux will never conquer the world until/unless it's fanbase can grasp that principal. Interesting perspective. How do you categorize time spent updating virus definitions or anti-virus software, scanning for (or removing) spyware, debugging registry issues, rebooting to fix/troubleshoot problems, or re-installing the entire OS every couple months in an attempt to "speed things up"? Is that all time well spent? I'm a Linux user, but I'll openly admit that it's not for everyone. It's a free OS, for crying out loud - it's not going to be 100% seamless & perfect. If you're looking for "perfect", try OS X - it's as close to perfect as any OS on the market today. As a side note, in response to the original post - make sure you're not trying to run the installer as 'root'. It will exit immediately and I'm not sure if it gives you a graphical error message (i.e., the error is only visible from the command line).
farfrael Freelancer Union	Posted - 2008.01.26 18:48:00 - [45] Originally by: nukems Edited by: nukems on 25/01/2008 07:29:45 Eve is a fun game and I've had it a month, but the truth is I don't log into windows enough to train skills. The Linux intaller ****s out when launched, please fix or I've have to stop payment on that subscription.. Windows has no future except for games. Sure there is a Linux section, but no-one posts how they actually got the game running!!!!!! - What kind of useless post is this? you provide no information AT ALL about your system, the distribution you are using, the problems you are encountering ... anything really and you expect people to help HOW exactly? We're not frigging psychics on this forum! Anyway, with your attitude, my personal view is: good riddance
farfrael Freelancer Union	Posted - 2008.01.26 18:50:00 - [46] Edited by: farfrael on 26/01/2008 18:51:00 Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 25/01/2008 11:51:42 In fact if the OP hadn't let himself be persauded into using Linux he would be playing Eve right now without a care in the world. Some people buy a car so that they can spend sunday afternoon lying under it and doing weird and perverse things with a wrench. Other people buy a car to transport themselves from A to B and don't like having dirty hands. Windows users don't need overalls. This is a LINUX forum, you don't see linux users posting **** in the windows forum, do you? so do us a favour and stick to the windows forum
Zepharim Caldari White Dagger	Posted - 2008.01.27 14:33:00 - [47] Edited by: Zepharim on 27/01/2008 14:37:05 Edited by: Zepharim on 27/01/2008 14:35:17 Edited by: Zepharim on 27/01/2008 14:34:43 Edited by: Zepharim on 27/01/2008 14:33:45 Originally by: deepb Quote: Time spent adjusting operating system configuration is time wasted (unless your an IT bod tasked to do that). Users are supposed to use computers. Linux will never conquer the world until/unless it's fanbase can grasp that principal. Interesting perspective. How do you categorize time spent updating virus definitions or anti-virus software, scanning for (or removing) spyware, debugging registry issues, rebooting to fix/troubleshoot problems, or re-installing the entire OS every couple months in an attempt to "speed things up"? Is that all time well spent? I'm a Linux user, but I'll openly admit that it's not for everyone. It's a free OS, for crying out loud - it's not going to be 100% seamless & perfect. If you're looking for "perfect", try OS X - it's as close to perfect as any OS on the market today. As a side note, in response to the original post - make sure you're not trying to run the installer as 'root'. It will exit immediately and I'm not sure if it gives you a graphical error message (i.e., the error is only visible from the command line). QFT. If anything Linux for me is less maintenance than my 10 years of windows was. Not to mention it is a far more responsive and customizable OS, as well as secure. Tbh, the fact that it doesn't cost money is the last thing on my mind when it comes to using linux. Anyway, thread was destined for epic phail. Obviously the OP hasn't tried hard enough to get Eve working. And all I mean by trying hard enough is having a modern distro like Ubuntu, Fedora, Sabayon, etc etc, and having the most recent driver for your gfx card. A completely fresh install of linux will run Eve, so long as you have your graphics drivers installed, and python, which is normally included, and if not, will update immediately after install. Simple. I'm an nvidia user, so not sure whether it's more complicated if you have an ATI graphics card. Though I think their recent cards and drivers work pretty well Oh and Linux ain't out to conquer the world. It's just here for those who don't want to pay the proprietary tax. My PC feels much better for it too ;)
Big Muthatrucker Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.31 07:52:00 - [48] Originally by: Grimm Myn Edited by: Grimm Myn on 25/01/2008 11:35:35 Originally by: w0rmy And while theyre at it... I DEMAND Solaris support!!!!!!111oneone11one!one AS/400 plx? You sir win! I would pay for any game made for AS/400. Talk about a rock solid OS! Inappropriate content - Laqum
Suki Kamir	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:01:00 - [49] Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Norwood Franskly The package manager you are so concerned with 'faffing' around in, is the single greatest thing to have come to computing in the last 20 years and I'm not the only one to think so There also seem to be several different versions and at least a couple of different standards. The fact someone even felt it neccessary to mention it shows that it isn't as seamless as the Windows solution. Of course the Windows solution involves maintaining an ever growing data set but at least for the most part it's seamless. And that's the point. Users don't (and shouldn't) have to care how things are distributed. It should be enough to launch a single intallation executable and then have everything ready when it's done. For the most part that's how Windows is. Sometimes you have to reboot but not if it's a properly certfied product. Windows trades efficiency for ease of use. Linux does the reverse. Unfortunately (speaking as a software developer and techie) most computer users don't care about efficiency. As long as it does what they want they are happy and that's what Windows panders to. Clearly you have never used a package manager. Your comments are utterly redundant in the current GNU/Linux world and are out of date by about 7-10 years. But hey, never let knowing what you are talk about ruin a good argument eh? Suki

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