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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2008.01.26 07:54:00 -
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Some time ago there was always some new technological advance, the mp3 player, the digital camera, video cameras with PC connectivity, the cable modem, DSL, WiFi, etc etc. Now is just more of the same. New models of phones, with the same combinations of features, new WiFi devices probably faster, but in essence is just more of the same.
The lack of originally new gadgetry saddens me.
I would love to see something really new. Something that will force sites like C-Net to create a whole new category. I'm technologically bored. |
Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2008.01.26 08:26:00 -
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Wearables. Position and context sensitive connectivity. Wireless power options. Mass-market touch sensitivity.
We're getting new stuff, it's just not new categories of stuff. It's stuff that behaves in new ways, both alone and in conjunction with other objects.
 Originally by: Frug
Your reputation has been entirely redeemed in my eyes. I now want your babies.
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2008.01.26 10:11:00 -
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Well... on wearables I could only think of the bluetooth headset and the arm-band mp3 player. None of those are new. On touch sensitivity, if we are talking about touch screens, that's been around for ages too, so is the case with biometrics. I don't see any stuff behaving in any new way except, maybe the helio's gps thingie. And even there, is only a gps+phone hybrid.
Probably the mini-helicopters could be considered some new. But that's a toy, not a gadget.
Thinking about this makes me depressed. I'm hoping somebody could prove me wrong and re-establish my faith in technology advances once again. |
Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Eve's Elite
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2008.01.26 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shameless Avenger
Some time ago there was always some new technological advance, the mp3 player, the digital camera, video cameras with PC connectivity, the cable modem, DSL, WiFi, etc etc. Now is just more of the same. New models of phones, with the same combinations of features, new WiFi devices probably faster, but in essence is just more of the same.
The lack of originally new gadgetry saddens me.
I would love to see something really new. Something that will force sites like C-Net to create a whole new category. I'm technologically bored.
"Everything that can be invented - has already been invented"
AttributedCharles Duell, Commissioner of the United States Patent Office, 1899. Cf.Henry Ellsworth, a patent commissioner in 1843 who said something similar in a report to Congress: "The advancement of the arts, from yearto year, taxes our credulity and seems to presage the arrival of thatperiod when human improvement must end."
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.01.26 10:32:00 -
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Well computer power is more or less stuck unless they use more and more cores to beef it up. Right now they're pretty much at the physical limit when it comes to circuitry size. So you'll need a technical revolution to get past it. (carbon buckytubes mass producable maybe? Or organic semiconductors?)
The trouble with new technological advances tends to be that nobody thought of them before, so it's rather hard to speculate on them.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.26 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Well computer power is more or less stuck unless they use more and more cores to beef it up. Right now they're pretty much at the physical limit when it comes to circuitry size. So you'll need a technical revolution to get past it. (carbon buckytubes mass producable maybe? Or organic semiconductors?)
The trouble with new technological advances tends to be that nobody thought of them before, so it's rather hard to speculate on them.
Circuits keep getting smaller... we were at 65nm, now we're at 45nm, and 35 -> 25nm are next. That has nothing to do with adding more cores; smaller circuit size means you can put more cores on the same chip.
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Scorp
Gallente
RONA Corporation
RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Well computer power is more or less stuck unless they use more and more cores to beef it up. Right now they're pretty much at the physical limit when it comes to circuitry size. So you'll need a technical revolution to get past it. (carbon buckytubes mass producable maybe? Or organic semiconductors?)
The trouble with new technological advances tends to be that nobody thought of them before, so it's rather hard to speculate on them.
thats where you are wrong on circuit size, if you look at the new macbook air it has the new 60% smaller core2 duo, which means that circuits have a long way to go on geting smaller. These processors were due out a while from now, but intel pushed some forward for the air.
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:28:00 -
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Quantom computing is the next jump after silicon semiconductors, much more powerful.
And all the tech you listed is a replacement or a novelty of things we allready had, Mobile replaced both Radio and Telephone which replaced telegraph which replaced word of mouth, same with MP3 it just replaced CD players which replaced tape which replaced the old vinyl stuff.
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:35:00 -
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All technology is just an improvement of something else. Phones are an improvement over letters. Transistors are improvements over vacuum tubes over mechanical computers over the abacus. Wireless is just an improvement over wires.
Things continue to get better until the current medium reaches it's limits, and then everyone rushes to develop a new medium to get one up over the competition. I can buy a CPU now that is massively better than one that was out a year ago, and one that'll be released in a year will be massively better still. Only when miniaturisation and cramming multiple cores into CPUs has reached it's physical limit will you start seeing a drive in to exotic forms of computing.
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There's no such thing as playing too much EvE!
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Sphit Kar
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Sphit Kar on 26/01/2008 12:00:44
I think he is right. Most of our 'advancements' are indeed the same old thing redone smaller/faster/whatever.
The next big thing is gonna be <insert result of the natural progression of what we have NOW in relative relation from what we had BACK THEN as the origin>
Im one who believe mankind is incapable to create. We only modify (evolve) what we already have from what we can observe and understand from the universe. We cannot actually _create_ anything, outside the realm of our imagination that is. Human creation is an oxymoron. We only have imagination. Reality is very well defined.
SO.. That being said, I have plenty good ideas. Clever innovations. I keep them for my ******* self now. I got majorly robbed and exploited many times already this wont happen ******* again.
Mark my words: Its all nice and tight to share ideas publicly and sending 'suggestions' to Big Corporation but its ******* dumb from one side and borderline criminal from the other. of course, should they decide to adopt your concept or whatever they just reply back with "we were already working on that" or "thats what we wanted to do in the first place but thanks anyway" and such as ******* craptalk as they run away, drooling millions of dollars off my back.
Or you could do an educated move and notarized any and all communications with Big Corporations.
I know I sound crazy. Thats because I really am. There are indeed many companies around the world I did put back afloat. Some of them are now the leaders in their respective fields of interests. I never got paid by any of ******* one of them. I can extrapolate like no one else.
I hate myself now. I am ashamed of my own ******* self now. I went thru the best years of my life already. They won't come back ever. Feel free to translate that brain dump into human readable stuff. I don't know how.
hahaha. have a nice day guys and keep on dreaming. Thats what we can do.
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2008.01.26 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sphit Kar
Edited by: Sphit Kar on 26/01/2008 12:00:44
I think he is right. Most of our 'advancements' are indeed the same old thing redone smaller/faster/whatever.
The next big thing is gonna be <insert result of the natural progression of what we have NOW in relative relation from what we had BACK THEN as the origin>
Im one who believe mankind is incapable to create. We only modify (evolve) what we already have from what we can observe and understand from the universe. We cannot actually _create_ anything, outside the realm of our imagination that is. Human creation is an oxymoron. We only have imagination. Reality is very well defined.
SO.. That being said, I have plenty good ideas. Clever innovations. I keep them for my ******* self now. I got majorly robbed and exploited many times already this wont happen ******* again.
Mark my words: Its all nice and tight to share ideas publicly and sending 'suggestions' to Big Corporation but its ******* dumb from one side and borderline criminal from the other. of course, should they decide to adopt your concept or whatever they just reply back with "we were already working on that" or "thats what we wanted to do in the first place but thanks anyway" and such as ******* craptalk as they run away, drooling millions of dollars off my back.
Or you could do an educated move and notarized any and all communications with Big Corporations.
I know I sound crazy. Thats because I really am. There are indeed many companies around the world I did put back afloat. Some of them are now the leaders in their respective fields of interests. I never got paid by any of ******* one of them. I can extrapolate like no one else.
I hate myself now. I am ashamed of my own ******* self now. I went thru the best years of my life already. They won't come back ever. Feel free to translate that brain dump into human readable stuff. I don't know how.
hahaha. have a nice day guys and keep on dreaming. Thats what we can do.
It's like Jim McG after a bottle of Jim Beam!
Originally by: Frug
Your reputation has been entirely redeemed in my eyes. I now want your babies.
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2008.01.26 12:54:00 -
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You guys have made some good points here. On the bright side, the miniaturization of electronics might revive some of the 'stuck' technologies out there. The first one that comes to my mind is the almost dead PDA. When they came out I thought it was the coolest thing ever. They just lacked a little bit of power and were kind of bulky.
On the bad side, there still the big corporation deciding what will go and what will remain stuck, based on profitability. "The man" stealing the great ideas. A lot could be talked about that. Remember the dude that invented Napster back in the day? Where is he now? He's dead, over a girl. Maybe if he had the salary of I-Tunes CEO the girl would have said yes. But you get the point.
I want more technology. Sometimes it's simple stuff that for some stupid reason is not mainstream yet. For example, with home air conditioning system. Over here they have a selector switch that says "cooling", "off" and "heating". Sometimes is 70 degrees here when I go to bed. But weird weather changes occur overnight and by 3AM it gets down to 30 degrees. The stupid thing is not smart enough to detect "hey, it's freaking cold. Lets change from cooling mode to heating mode". Is that too much to ask? There's already a PIC controller on the darn thing! It's only a few extra lines of code!
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Bob Stuart
Federation Fleet
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.01.26 13:11:00 -
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What about all the junk that Sci-fi has lots of?
Contact lenses that can act as head-up-displays?
Mind-machine interfaces so you can think, rather than type or mouse to input information?
Good old cyber implants. No longer have to carry a phone, you can get it implanted so you never lose it.
Combination of above. You see something, you can think-connect to look it up on internet, information displayed in your field of vision. Different experience to typing into handheld and looking at screen.
Play a CD by spinning it on your finger. View camera pics by sticking the memory stick in your nostril. That sort of thing.
Electrostimulation of muscles means fitness and health of population improved - more sexy people around?
Telepresence - go somewhere else without leaving the room, without it being noticeable to you? - Cybersex time!
Holographic shenanigans?
Artificial Intelligence things?
That sort of thing?
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Albar Malovor
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Posted - 2008.01.26 13:17:00 -
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Stuck?
The only thing that I can think of that would prevent further invention is the destruction of the planet, and in a while I don't think even something like that will stop us. |
Dheorl
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.26 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sphit Kar
Edited by: Sphit Kar on 26/01/2008 12:00:44
I think he is right. Most of our 'advancements' are indeed the same old thing redone smaller/faster/whatever.
The next big thing is gonna be <insert result of the natural progression of what we have NOW in relative relation from what we had BACK THEN as the origin>
Im one who believe mankind is incapable to create. We only modify (evolve) what we already have from what we can observe and understand from the universe. We cannot actually _create_ anything, outside the realm of our imagination that is. Human creation is an oxymoron. We only have imagination. Reality is very well defined.
SO.. That being said, I have plenty good ideas. Clever innovations. I keep them for my ******* self now. I got majorly robbed and exploited many times already this wont happen ******* again.
Mark my words: Its all nice and tight to share ideas publicly and sending 'suggestions' to Big Corporation but its ******* dumb from one side and borderline criminal from the other. of course, should they decide to adopt your concept or whatever they just reply back with "we were already working on that" or "thats what we wanted to do in the first place but thanks anyway" and such as ******* craptalk as they run away, drooling millions of dollars off my back.
Or you could do an educated move and notarized any and all communications with Big Corporations.
I know I sound crazy. Thats because I really am. There are indeed many companies around the world I did put back afloat. Some of them are now the leaders in their respective fields of interests. I never got paid by any of ******* one of them. I can extrapolate like no one else.
I hate myself now. I am ashamed of my own ******* self now. I went thru the best years of my life already. They won't come back ever. Feel free to translate that brain dump into human readable stuff. I don't know how.
hahaha. have a nice day guys and keep on dreaming. Thats what we can do.
Care to name any of these companies.
Also thats why you get a patent before you tell everyone about it.
As for advancement of technoligy I think we'll start seeing new cool stuff once we've maxed out the potential of the current stuff. It's much easier to improve than start afresh.
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Blind Man
Cosmic Fusion
When Fat Kids Attack
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Posted - 2008.01.26 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Bob Stuart
What about all the junk that Sci-fi has lots of?
Contact lenses that can act as head-up-displays?
maybe :)
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2008.01.26 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
Originally by: Bob Stuart
What about all the junk that Sci-fi has lots of?
Contact lenses that can act as head-up-displays?
maybe :)
Yes! YEEESSSS!! That's what I'm talking about! keep it coming guys.
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Dheorl
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.26 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
Originally by: Bob Stuart
What about all the junk that Sci-fi has lots of?
Contact lenses that can act as head-up-displays?
maybe :)
I saw that article a few days back and although they do look cool I'm not sure I like the idea of putting electronics next to my eye just yet - electricity + tears = a world of pain. Once I've seen them out and working for a few years with no complaints then I'll give them a go.
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Sphit Kar
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Posted - 2008.01.26 15:35:00 -
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One gadget I really look forward to is BMW's autopilot system. That thing is a work in progress and they have a very promising prototype. It use GPS to 'record' your travel and learn waypoints; you then push the button and the thing can do it in reverse (bring you home. Build-in designated driver anyone??) or reproduce it (bring you to work). Should be useful for mass transportations like buses. It is already able to run around racetracks at full bore, pedal to the metal, without any driver input. Fast and precise enough it can scare the living hell out of actual pilots. This machine don't have survival instinct getting in the way so it can constantly drive at the very edge of gravity. Something very few human can do. I presume actual GPS limitations and/or inaccurate maps prevent this marvel-to-be from being mainstream already.
Originally by: Amarria Black
Originally by: Sphit Kar
babble babble
It's like Jim McG after a bottle of Jim Beam!
yea  actually more like 30 hours straight awake. I can have some real powerful brain fart moments.
and yeah why not. Nintendo is one of them. Apple is another. Also Mazda.
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Sister Impotentata
Elite Angels Of Death
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Posted - 2008.01.26 15:36:00 -
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Here's an old trick I learned from my grandpappy. The key to preventing things from getting stuck is a little bit of nose oil. Next time you put your technology away, rub the side of your nose and put a little of the oil onto the technology. Prevents rust too.
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TANSTAAFL
Originally by: Professor Falken
What you see here on these screens is a fantasy, a computer-enhanced hallucination! Those blips are not real missiles, they're phantoms!
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2008.01.26 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
Originally by: Bob Stuart
What about all the junk that Sci-fi has lots of?
Contact lenses that can act as head-up-displays?
maybe :)
I WANT!!! How would you interface with such a device though? It's not like you can plug in a mouse and keyboard...
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Andrest Disch
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.26 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Andrest Disch on 26/01/2008 16:01:55
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I WANT!!! How would you interface with such a device though? It's not like you can plug in a mouse and keyboard...
Maybe a hand pad or something.. bluetoth connected square in your pocket with some buttons on it?
God, as soon as something like that comes out for games / MP3, i'm buying it. Even if Apple makes it first, i'll still buy it. =o
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2008.01.26 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Andrest Disch
Edited by: Andrest Disch on 26/01/2008 16:01:55
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I WANT!!! How would you interface with such a device though? It's not like you can plug in a mouse and keyboard...
Maybe a hand pad or something.. bluetoth connected square in your pocket with some buttons on it?
God, as soon as something like that comes out for games / MP3, i'm buying it. Even if Apple makes it first, i'll still buy it. =o
Something to keep yourself amused in lectures, seminars and meetings
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Avery Fatwallet
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Posted - 2008.01.26 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Shameless Avenger
The lack of originally new gadgetry saddens me.
oh wow.
you just discovered that industry is trying to tell you the same **** over and over again.
glad you noticed, hope you stop buying
no way it means technological advancement has stopped. its just... you noticed, that they try to rip you off, thats all.
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Sister Impotentata
Elite Angels Of Death
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Posted - 2008.01.26 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Something to keep yourself amused in lectures, seminars and meetings
...and multicar pileups, if cellphones are to be any guage.
Cop: "So, tell me again, how did you cause this 32 car bangup?"
Dude: "DUDE! I was on level 714! You know how hard that is!?"
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TANSTAAFL
Originally by: Professor Falken
What you see here on these screens is a fantasy, a computer-enhanced hallucination! Those blips are not real missiles, they're phantoms!
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ISD Serathu Ashk
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2008.01.26 17:29:00 -
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I was talking to a guy at 3Com a few months back and he made a very astute comment that developments in technology go in hardware and software cycles, each following the other.
I think you would agree that we're in the middle of a software cycle at the moment - Vista, Office 2007, Exchange, New OSX, iPhone/iPod software upgrades, Server 2008, Virtualisation and innovation in games rather than the hardware platforms to name just a few.
I could go into detail about the possible ways that one drives the other but.... I don't have the time right now.
Point is, we're seeing "more of the same" in terms of hardware (still LGA775 processors, still PCI-Ex, still 2.4GHz wireless) as we're not in a hardware cycle at the moment. Give it about 18months I think and you'll start to see a plateau in software development and a lot of new hardware technologies coming out again.
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Sister Impotentata
Elite Angels Of Death
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Posted - 2008.01.26 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
I could go into detail about the possible ways that one drives the other but.... I don't have the time right now.
The old "cba" argument?  You of all people should be ashamed. That's just bad journalism. Tell us you're sauced and can't think coherently anymore. I do it all the time. Or, well, I should. But to say you can't be arsed is pure journalistic fail. I'd take it from a Dev or a GM, but from someone who styles himself a journalist it's just wrong. ISD needs me, and they need me now.
If you legitimately don't have the time, give us a teaser and end with "story at 2300".
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TANSTAAFL
Originally by: Professor Falken
What you see here on these screens is a fantasy, a computer-enhanced hallucination! Those blips are not real missiles, they're phantoms!
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ISD Serathu Ashk
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2008.01.26 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sister Impotentata
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
I could go into detail about the possible ways that one drives the other but.... I don't have the time right now.
The old "cba" argument? You of all people should be ashamed. That's just bad journalism. Tell us you're sauced and can't think coherently anymore. I do it all the time. Or, well, I should. But to say you can't be arsed is pure journalistic fail. I'd take it from a Dev or a GM, but from someone who styles himself a journalist it's just wrong. ISD needs me, and they need me now.
If you legitimately don't have the time, give us a teaser and end with "story at 2300".
It's to do with remaining development potential and headroom on the performance of existing technologies. When what you can achieve on an existing hardware platform is exhausted (think about the old AGP/Socket-478), a new one comes to market pretty quickly. Once this starts taking hold and beds down a little, the software release process kicks off again.
With OS's, there's the added complication of support lifecycles but these are almost an aside and can be pretty variable, anywhere from 3-5 years on the Windows side of things although this still tends to be following a hardware cycle, when you take into account delays in reaching the market. OSX is a slightly different game as the releases tend to be a bit more incremental so it's harder to gauge their reliance on hardware technologies but the release of OSX itself was characterised by a major shift away from the hardware that was running OS9.
The other thing to remember of course is market forces, particularly adoption rates. You can't release new hardware platforms too quickly as your R&D and bringing to market costs will not be outweighed by your income. However, since most people's driving reason for upgrading hardware or software is "my current stuff doesn't do everything I want it to", the notion that hardware and software cycles come after each other still holds true.
So there. Now I'm late.
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Sister Impotentata
Elite Angels Of Death
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Posted - 2008.01.26 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
It's to do with remaining development potential and headroom on the performance of existing technologies. When what you can achieve on an existing hardware platform is exhausted (think about the old AGP/Socket-478), a new one comes to market pretty quickly. Once this starts taking hold and beds down a little, the software release process kicks off again.
With OS's, there's the added complication of support lifecycles but these are almost an aside and can be pretty variable, anywhere from 3-5 years on the Windows side of things although this still tends to be following a hardware cycle, when you take into account delays in reaching the market. OSX is a slightly different game as the releases tend to be a bit more incremental so it's harder to gauge their reliance on hardware technologies but the release of OSX itself was characterised by a major shift away from the hardware that was running OS9.
The other thing to remember of course is market forces, particularly adoption rates. You can't release new hardware platforms too quickly as your R&D and bringing to market costs will not be outweighed by your income. However, since most people's driving reason for upgrading hardware or software is "my current stuff doesn't do everything I want it to", the notion that hardware and software cycles come after each other still holds true.
So there. Now I'm late.
Thanks boss. That's what I wanted to see. You are humbly forgiven, and I hope, not too late.
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TANSTAAFL
Originally by: Professor Falken
What you see here on these screens is a fantasy, a computer-enhanced hallucination! Those blips are not real missiles, they're phantoms!
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Kralizec
Dallas Company
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Posted - 2008.01.28 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Avery Fatwallet
Edited by: Avery Fatwallet on 26/01/2008 17:29:41
Originally by: Shameless Avenger
The lack of originally new gadgetry saddens me.
oh wow.
you just discovered that industry is trying to sell you the same **** over and over again.
glad you noticed, hope you stop buying
Which means most ppl could get by normally with 1/4 salary.
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