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Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:32:00 -
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I hear nem3sis is giving away their space in delve. |
highonpop
Void.Tech
BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:10:00 -
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delve is the ghetto |
highonpop
Void.Tech
BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:13:00 -
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Crowder wrote:I think the correct answer is this. You can us DOTLAN maps to find tons of systems that are unclaimed in 0.0 look for example in the Drone regions.
The problem is that if you go to one of those systems and establish sovereignty, you will alert people in the general region.
Typically there will eventually be an effort made to destroy you an drive you from that system.
If you are some how able to fight off the initial attack then they will just com back with more people and if necessary bring allies.
You best bet would be to work out some deal with the who ever is the most powerful in that general region either a cooperative deal or pay some monthly fee for the privilege of occupying that space.
You are thinking about NPC nullsec. No one can ever claim SOV there |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:21:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Crowder wrote:I think the correct answer is this. You can us DOTLAN maps to find tons of systems that are unclaimed in 0.0 look for example in the Drone regions.
The problem is that if you go to one of those systems and establish sovereignty, you will alert people in the general region.
Typically there will eventually be an effort made to destroy you an drive you from that system.
If you are some how able to fight off the initial attack then they will just com back with more people and if necessary bring allies.
You best bet would be to work out some deal with the who ever is the most powerful in that general region either a cooperative deal or pay some monthly fee for the privilege of occupying that space. You are thinking about NPC nullsec. No one can ever claim SOV there
There are actually quite a few unclaimed pockets of sov space around the fringes of the cluster, that have nothing worth anything in them so are not claimed.
Open yer map and set it to show all sov, and you will see the grey dots in a few places(NPC space has its own colors)
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Crowder
Inner Light Creations
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Posted - 2012.03.10 16:36:00 -
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Am I correct that no matter how isolated, fringe or "worthless" a system is; if you go through the effort to establish a base there and claim sovereignty there someone in the the region will notice and in a fairly short period of time come out and challenge you.
If you successfully fight off the initial challenge you will then be seems as a potential threat and they will return with a bigger force and or allies.
To re-frame the question
1. If you had a corp/alliance with say 10 active people logged on during typical prime time in you TZ (of mixed skill levels) could you find a system (even in an out of way spot) in 0.0 where you could claim sovereignty and operate out of for more than a few months.
2 With 5 active members?
3. Without paying rent or making some concessions with the local power group.
Just curious I do not know the answer to the above myself.
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Woo Glin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
427
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Posted - 2012.03.11 05:09:00 -
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My corp has 5 active members please direct me to the guild registrar in Jita so that I might buy some sov with my pvp tokens. |
Jalmari Huitsikko
draketrain
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.03.11 10:11:00 -
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Crowder wrote:Am I correct that no matter how isolated, fringe or "worthless" a system is; if you go through the effort to establish a base there and claim sovereignty there someone in the the region will notice and in a fairly short period of time come out and challenge you.
If you successfully fight off the initial challenge you will then be seems as a potential threat and they will return with a bigger force and or allies.
To re-frame the question
1. If you had a corp/alliance with say 10 active people logged on during typical prime time in you TZ (of mixed skill levels) could you find a system (even in an out of way spot) in 0.0 where you could claim sovereignty and operate out of for more than a few months.
2 With 5 active members?
3. Without paying rent or making some concessions with the local power group.
Just curious I do not know the answer to the above myself.
1. Claiming system without sov is pretty easy, however keeping is not. Even if you put up POS in system (which practically does nothing on sov) it will be shot down at some point within a month or so. Claimed system is much more complicated. You'll need to put up undefended claim unit (preferrably tons of them in multiple systems) and hope no one shoots it (lol) then in case of station systems go through double timers etc. Good luck :D
2. Not a very good chance even with like 100 active members. You'll see naptrains fielding like 300-500 easily. You'll need to be able to field similar numbers to make effort big enough to keep them away. Or in some cases you can compensate a little with quality of resources like high skill points and lots of isk. It doesn't automatically make you win though.
3. Paying rent is pretty dumb though, no matter how you put it. Just get enough allies or whatever blues and go trolling goons they're cute.
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.11 10:59:00 -
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Crowder wrote:Am I correct that no matter how isolated, fringe or "worthless" a system is; if you go through the effort to establish a base there and claim sovereignty there someone in the the region will notice and in a fairly short period of time come out and challenge you.
If you successfully fight off the initial challenge you will then be seems as a potential threat and they will return with a bigger force and or allies.
To re-frame the question
1. If you had a corp/alliance with say 10 active people logged on during typical prime time in you TZ (of mixed skill levels) could you find a system (even in an out of way spot) in 0.0 where you could claim sovereignty and operate out of for more than a few months.
2 With 5 active members?
3. Without paying rent or making some concessions with the local power group.
Just curious I do not know the answer to the above myself.
Depends how good at politics you are 
You are gonna have to deal with bored FCs roaming and killing your space, but if the space is worthless enough and your diplos good enough you can probably establish a NIP to be able to build there.
Too bad sov costs will destroy a group that small.
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Trinkets friend
Obstergo
NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2012.03.22 06:12:00 -
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If you are a small group of 5 guys just find some terrible part of drone space, a -0.1 or something, and park an alt in a cloaky orca or whatever, and base yourself out of his cargo hold. Rat in cloaky ships. Make truckloads of ISK via, say, PI, and JF your loot out monthly during a quiet time.
if you are feeling extra brave, put up a couple of POSs with no mods. Online them for a few hours while you rat, then offline them and log. You'd be surprised how terrible people are at d-scan and how little they actually want to shoot a lone tower with no candy.
In the right spot, such hobo living is quite achievable. I've seen people do this for months at a time in Insmother or Deklein.
The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man.
Sun Tzu
@trinketsfriend on twatter
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core
Fatal Ascension
560
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Posted - 2012.03.22 06:16:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:If you are a small group of 5 guys just find some terrible part of drone space, a -0.1 or something, and park an alt in a cloaky orca or whatever, and base yourself out of his cargo hold. Rat in cloaky ships. Make truckloads of ISK via, say, PI, and JF your loot out monthly during a quiet time.
if you are feeling extra brave, put up a couple of POSs with no mods. Online them for a few hours while you rat, then offline them and log. You'd be surprised how terrible people are at d-scan and how little they actually want to shoot a lone tower with no candy.
In the right spot, such hobo living is quite achievable. I've seen people do this for months at a time in Insmother or Deklein.
My old corp did it for months in Tenal back when RZR held it in the NC, ratting in/from carriers, and just sat and BSed with anyone who came into local.
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