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Falian Knoop
Interstellar Ministeries United Homeworlds
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Posted - 2012.02.12 18:35:00 -
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Hey guys,
I'm looking at the Null-Sec Player Influence Map provided by Verite Rendition and I can't help but notice a huge empty space south-east of Raiden and north-west of Shadow of xXDEATHXx.
Is there some reason for this that i'm missing? Or is this area simply unoccupied?
Thanks. |

mama guru
Evolution
25
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Posted - 2012.02.12 18:37:00 -
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Thats Jove space AKA CCP space. ______
EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak. |

Gloomy Gus
GoonWaffe
216
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Posted - 2012.02.12 18:39:00 -
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Delve Sincerely, Gloomy Gus, Spaceship Pilot.
This post has been signed and sealed by Gloomy Gus, poster on an internet space ship forum entitled EVE: Gate. All Rights Reserved. |

Falian Knoop
Interstellar Ministeries United Homeworlds
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 18:42:00 -
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mama guru wrote:Thats Jove space AKA CCP space.
I'm new at this game, so i'm unsure exactly what you mean. I know CCP = Game Developers. They segmented off that area for themselves?
Thanks in advance for the clarification. |

thetwilitehour
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.02.12 19:08:00 -
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Theres no way in or out of that space, hopefully it's used to test stuff on the live server, and when Eve Jumps the shark they'll introduce jovians and open that space up for conquest. It'll be a strong sign of the end of Eve. |

NearNihil
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
43
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Posted - 2012.02.12 21:33:00 -
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Jove space is also where the Alliance Tournament takes place, IIRC. |

David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
301
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Posted - 2012.02.12 23:48:00 -
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Falian Knoop wrote:mama guru wrote:Thats Jove space AKA CCP space. I'm new at this game, so i'm unsure exactly what you mean. I know CCP = Game Developers. They segmented off that area for themselves? Thanks in advance for the clarification.
those 3 (jovian) regions are where ccp test stuff out on TQ.
they also use it to to solve bug petitions by replicating the issues there
alliance tournaments are held there too.
there is also rumours that CCP hunt rare space whales there to make oil for running jovian ships. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |

Dank Man
FinFleet Raiden.
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:12:00 -
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There are plenty of unclaimed systems in nullsec, usually they are the space nobody wants, however when you take sov there you will quickly find out if someone has an attachment to that space, you can also negotiate with near by alliances to see if they mind if you move in. But the space you are referring to in particular is inaccessible as has already been stated. |

Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.13 10:17:00 -
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Yes |

Ivan Ward
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.13 17:41:00 -
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Don't let your eyes fool you.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Tenal http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Tribute
For instance those two regions are practically unclaimed, no matter what kind of strange and random mind tricks some people tries to fool you with.
"Up for grabs" is the latest I heard. |
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Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
399
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Posted - 2012.02.13 18:31:00 -
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if you want those 2 you can have em tbh |

Arthello
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.02.13 21:58:00 -
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Yes. You should invade Tribute. Do it! |

Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1098
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Posted - 2012.02.13 22:02:00 -
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Arthello wrote:Yes. You should invade Tribute. Do it!
See, even NCdot doesn't want that space. |

Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2012.02.13 22:11:00 -
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you should take it as a joke and name the holding alliance something stupid |

Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
411
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Posted - 2012.02.13 22:12:00 -
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like "titans are for butts [butt]" |

Jaiimez Skor
Exanimo Inc Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2012.02.13 22:22:00 -
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NCdot not wanting space.... NEVER. |

Nirnaeth Ornoediad
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:55:00 -
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Killstealing wrote:you should take it as a joke and name the holding alliance something stupid
Something like Elite Space Guild, perhaps? |

Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.02.17 01:01:00 -
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Should try living in an NPC region while you find your feet and get a feel for nullsec politics. Alternatively you could rent space from an established alliance in the south or in the drone regions.
In any case there's no point in coming straight from highsec, looking at the influence map, and then deciding you're going to go try carving a chunk off of one of those colourful blobs. As nice as that map is it doesn't give any indication as to political ties between those space holding groups, so what looks like a fragmented mess on the map might end up being a big sea of alliances all blue to each other.
I kinda miss those old hand crafted influence maps.
Nostalgia |

Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
216
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Posted - 2012.02.17 02:16:00 -
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unless you have the blob and friends with blobs who also have friends with blobs, will be a short visit.
Now, if you had that, you wouldn't need to ask that question, so I hope that helps :O
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |

Vigo Carpath
Capsuleer Legions Of New Eden GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:17:00 -
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Spurty wrote:unless you have the blob and friends with blobs who also have friends with blobs, will be a short visit.
Now, if you had that, you wouldn't need to ask that question, so I hope that helps :O
Ya but friends aren't hard to make. We just sent Bna'i over to give Lady a little peck on the cheek and we were good to go. |
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.02.27 23:06:00 -
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Most of Deklein is entirely uninhabited and under-ultilized. There are small numbers of Goonswarm POS's scattered about but they are generally unarmed and left their only to claim Sov... because. Feel free to setup shop in any of those systems, no one will care.
Have fun. |

Dank Man
FinFleet Raiden.
31
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Posted - 2012.02.27 23:18:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Most of Deklein is entirely uninhabited and under-ultilized. There are small numbers of Goonswarm POS's scattered about but they are generally unarmed and left their only to claim Sov... because. Feel free to setup shop in any of those systems, no one will care.
Have fun.
A goon offering something up for free, scam detected. Nothing new to see here
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Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
945
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Posted - 2012.02.27 23:35:00 -
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Dank Man wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Most of Deklein is entirely uninhabited and under-ultilized. There are small numbers of Goonswarm POS's scattered about but they are generally unarmed and left their only to claim Sov... because. Feel free to setup shop in any of those systems, no one will care.
Have fun. A goon offering something up for free, scam detected. Nothing new to see here
Awww is someone bitter after getting bent over and raped today?
Welcome to EvE, would you like Void Bombs with that?   Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |

Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.02.28 08:19:00 -
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Dank Man wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Most of Deklein is entirely uninhabited and under-ultilized. There are small numbers of Goonswarm POS's scattered about but they are generally unarmed and left their only to claim Sov... because. Feel free to setup shop in any of those systems, no one will care.
Have fun. A goon offering something up for free, scam detected. Nothing new to see here
Do you usually explain the joke before or after everyone laughs? |

Motamar Askold
Red Moon Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:39:00 -
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Yes, there are still parts of null sec you can still stake a claim in. |

Jalmari Huitsikko
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.03.01 22:21:00 -
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0.0 space is maybe more unclaimed than ever at the moment. There's very few who even bother to rat in nullsec to be honest.
With jump bridges and bridge this and that traffic goes through jump bridges, so all together most of the time you don't see anyone even in systems which are "claimed" aka coloured in that map.
Only way to find anyone interested to actually fight for the said space is to put up sov blockade units or shoot some valuable techneticum pos. And then you usually get at least 3 times your own numbers to stand against unless you're like megablueballing.
There's plenty of completely inhabited space and systems where ppl just play with themselves at stations which even smaller alliances could claim in a sense that they can make anyone elses living there pretty painful. However with current easy mode logistics and whatever you'll just get blueballed if you try to put your name on systems to get docking rights to stations. Then these name holding alliances complain that you can come and go as you will.
I am personally starting to like good old pos bashing system more. And getting rid of incursions and wormholes could be also a good thing.
Gee.
Join pizza.
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Suboran
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.03.05 15:34:00 -
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That is a Templar, an amarr fighter used by carriers. |

Crowder
Inner Light Creations
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Posted - 2012.03.05 21:33:00 -
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I think the correct answer is this. You can us DOTLAN maps to find tons of systems that are unclaimed in 0.0 look for example in the Drone regions. The problem is that if you go to one of those systems and establish sovereignty, you will alert people in the general region. Typically there will eventually be an effort made to destroy you an drive you from that system.
If you are some how able to fight off the initial attack then they will just com back with more people and if necessary bring allies.
You best bet would be to work out some deal with the who ever is the most powerful in that general region either a cooperative deal or pay some monthly fee for the privilege of occupying that space. |

Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.06 11:15:00 -
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Jalmari Huitsikko wrote:0.0 space is maybe more unclaimed than ever at the moment. There's very few who even bother to rat in nullsec to be honest.
With jump bridges and bridge this and that traffic goes through jump bridges, so all together most of the time you don't see anyone even in systems which are "claimed" aka coloured in that map.
Only way to find anyone interested to actually fight for the said space is to put up sov blockade units or shoot some valuable techneticum pos. And then you usually get at least 3 times your own numbers to stand against unless you're like megablueballing.
Delve's all sov 1 and 2 right now, that would be a good place to start. |

Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
468
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Posted - 2012.03.06 13:51:00 -
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Nirnaeth Ornoediad wrote:Killstealing wrote:you should take it as a joke and name the holding alliance something stupid Something like Elite Space Guild, perhaps? its ironic |
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Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
103
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:32:00 -
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I hear nem3sis is giving away their space in delve. |

highonpop
Void.Tech BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:10:00 -
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delve is the ghetto |

highonpop
Void.Tech BLACK-MARK
21
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:13:00 -
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Crowder wrote:I think the correct answer is this. You can us DOTLAN maps to find tons of systems that are unclaimed in 0.0 look for example in the Drone regions. The problem is that if you go to one of those systems and establish sovereignty, you will alert people in the general region. Typically there will eventually be an effort made to destroy you an drive you from that system.
If you are some how able to fight off the initial attack then they will just com back with more people and if necessary bring allies.
You best bet would be to work out some deal with the who ever is the most powerful in that general region either a cooperative deal or pay some monthly fee for the privilege of occupying that space.
You are thinking about NPC nullsec. No one can ever claim SOV there |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
424
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:21:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Crowder wrote:I think the correct answer is this. You can us DOTLAN maps to find tons of systems that are unclaimed in 0.0 look for example in the Drone regions. The problem is that if you go to one of those systems and establish sovereignty, you will alert people in the general region. Typically there will eventually be an effort made to destroy you an drive you from that system.
If you are some how able to fight off the initial attack then they will just com back with more people and if necessary bring allies.
You best bet would be to work out some deal with the who ever is the most powerful in that general region either a cooperative deal or pay some monthly fee for the privilege of occupying that space. You are thinking about NPC nullsec. No one can ever claim SOV there There are actually quite a few unclaimed pockets of sov space around the fringes of the cluster, that have nothing worth anything in them so are not claimed.
Open yer map and set it to show all sov, and you will see the grey dots in a few places(NPC space has its own colors) Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Crowder
Inner Light Creations
0
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Posted - 2012.03.10 16:36:00 -
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Am I correct that no matter how isolated, fringe or "worthless" a system is; if you go through the effort to establish a base there and claim sovereignty there someone in the the region will notice and in a fairly short period of time come out and challenge you. If you successfully fight off the initial challenge you will then be seems as a potential threat and they will return with a bigger force and or allies.
To re-frame the question 1. If you had a corp/alliance with say 10 active people logged on during typical prime time in you TZ (of mixed skill levels) could you find a system (even in an out of way spot) in 0.0 where you could claim sovereignty and operate out of for more than a few months.
2 With 5 active members?
3. Without paying rent or making some concessions with the local power group.
Just curious I do not know the answer to the above myself.
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Woo Glin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
427
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Posted - 2012.03.11 05:09:00 -
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My corp has 5 active members please direct me to the guild registrar in Jita so that I might buy some sov with my pvp tokens. |

Jalmari Huitsikko
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
53
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Posted - 2012.03.11 10:11:00 -
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Crowder wrote:Am I correct that no matter how isolated, fringe or "worthless" a system is; if you go through the effort to establish a base there and claim sovereignty there someone in the the region will notice and in a fairly short period of time come out and challenge you. If you successfully fight off the initial challenge you will then be seems as a potential threat and they will return with a bigger force and or allies.
To re-frame the question 1. If you had a corp/alliance with say 10 active people logged on during typical prime time in you TZ (of mixed skill levels) could you find a system (even in an out of way spot) in 0.0 where you could claim sovereignty and operate out of for more than a few months.
2 With 5 active members?
3. Without paying rent or making some concessions with the local power group.
Just curious I do not know the answer to the above myself.
1. Claiming system without sov is pretty easy, however keeping is not. Even if you put up POS in system (which practically does nothing on sov) it will be shot down at some point within a month or so. Claimed system is much more complicated. You'll need to put up undefended claim unit (preferrably tons of them in multiple systems) and hope no one shoots it (lol) then in case of station systems go through double timers etc. Good luck :D
2. Not a very good chance even with like 100 active members. You'll see naptrains fielding like 300-500 easily. You'll need to be able to field similar numbers to make effort big enough to keep them away. Or in some cases you can compensate a little with quality of resources like high skill points and lots of isk. It doesn't automatically make you win though.
3. Paying rent is pretty dumb though, no matter how you put it. Just get enough allies or whatever blues and go trolling goons they're cute.
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
439
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Posted - 2012.03.11 10:59:00 -
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Crowder wrote:Am I correct that no matter how isolated, fringe or "worthless" a system is; if you go through the effort to establish a base there and claim sovereignty there someone in the the region will notice and in a fairly short period of time come out and challenge you. If you successfully fight off the initial challenge you will then be seems as a potential threat and they will return with a bigger force and or allies.
To re-frame the question 1. If you had a corp/alliance with say 10 active people logged on during typical prime time in you TZ (of mixed skill levels) could you find a system (even in an out of way spot) in 0.0 where you could claim sovereignty and operate out of for more than a few months.
2 With 5 active members?
3. Without paying rent or making some concessions with the local power group.
Just curious I do not know the answer to the above myself.
Depends how good at politics you are 
You are gonna have to deal with bored FCs roaming and killing your space, but if the space is worthless enough and your diplos good enough you can probably establish a NIP to be able to build there.
Too bad sov costs will destroy a group that small. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Trinkets friend
Obstergo NEM3SIS.
227
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Posted - 2012.03.22 06:12:00 -
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If you are a small group of 5 guys just find some terrible part of drone space, a -0.1 or something, and park an alt in a cloaky orca or whatever, and base yourself out of his cargo hold. Rat in cloaky ships. Make truckloads of ISK via, say, PI, and JF your loot out monthly during a quiet time.
if you are feeling extra brave, put up a couple of POSs with no mods. Online them for a few hours while you rat, then offline them and log. You'd be surprised how terrible people are at d-scan and how little they actually want to shoot a lone tower with no candy.
In the right spot, such hobo living is quite achievable. I've seen people do this for months at a time in Insmother or Deklein. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu @trinketsfriend on twatter
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
560
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Posted - 2012.03.22 06:16:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:If you are a small group of 5 guys just find some terrible part of drone space, a -0.1 or something, and park an alt in a cloaky orca or whatever, and base yourself out of his cargo hold. Rat in cloaky ships. Make truckloads of ISK via, say, PI, and JF your loot out monthly during a quiet time.
if you are feeling extra brave, put up a couple of POSs with no mods. Online them for a few hours while you rat, then offline them and log. You'd be surprised how terrible people are at d-scan and how little they actually want to shoot a lone tower with no candy.
In the right spot, such hobo living is quite achievable. I've seen people do this for months at a time in Insmother or Deklein. My old corp did it for months in Tenal back when RZR held it in the NC, ratting in/from carriers, and just sat and BSed with anyone who came into local. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
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