Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: Brea Lafail

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Mmm, I think Im getting trolled here, but whatever; Only real benefit nanogangs have over traditional tanks is that they can disengage easily if things are looking bad.

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Wich is pretty good if you live in deep 0.0 where replacing a new ship is pita, yes?

Why fly something that has marginally better killing power but alot worse survivability when you can fly something with less firepower (but it wont matter because 99% of pvp is ganks) but with a very high survivability.

Its pretty obvious why everyone that can fly a nano is flying nano.

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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Originally by: Lorz0r

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Please explain to me how I'm a bad player because I can't kill a nanogang. It's ridiculous to say this - you HAVE to have specific modules and specific ships or you're ******. simple as that.

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Well, for starters, you quite certainly either cannot read module descriptions or don't want to train anything.

Do you have to have a properly setup gang? Yes, of course. Do a few certain pilots in gang need to train some skills to give you more of a fighting chance? Yes :)

Furthermore, spewing idiotic ideas which would totally break the game (such as giving webs the same range as distruptors, or 24km namely) means the OP fails to understand EvE PvP and just wants to roam in a BS blob and wtf-pwn everything.

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Originally by: Helen

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Originally by: StonedBoy

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Olso why are 99% of the small ganksquads nano gangs? If that's not a proof they're uber...

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Maybe because most ganksquads have to roam far to get kills, like I already said its a case of if you got to travel 50+ jumps you'd rather take a nano ship than a slow one.

Also fail camps are suck why don't people use more imagination to kill nanogangs.

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Originally by: RuleoftheBone

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Originally by: Lorz0r

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Originally by: Helen

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Originally by: StonedBoy

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Olso why are 99% of the small ganksquads nano gangs? If that's not a proof they're uber...

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Maybe because most ganksquads have to roam far to get kills, like I already said its a case of if you got to travel 50+ jumps you'd rather take a nano ship than a slow one.

Also fail camps are suck why don't people use more imagination to kill nanogangs.

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why don't nanogangs use more imagination than slapping as much speed on their ship as possible?

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Try Duck Hunt?

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 27/01/2008 16:32:10

Originally by: Lorz0r

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oh cool, so I have 15mil SP but because I can't use these specific modules to counter a nano-gang I'm a bad player.

and it's not a matter of training some skills to give us a fighting chance. If a nano-gang turns up it's a matter of either having loads of neuts or a minnie recon or waiting to die.

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LOL, module descriptions ftw

Originally by: James Lyrus

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Ironically, I see this comment every time the 'nano' discussion comes up. And I see a whole load of people saying 'they're fine, there are counters'.

But remarkably, almost every single one is either:
Stalemate them
Bring more people

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Not really, you're just selectively reading. Any counter which you do not like or cannot be bothered to train for or cannot afford is automagically invalid for some reason.

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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Originally by: Lorz0r

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'lolol module descriptions ftw' weirdo

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You fail at thread reading, too

I mean, seriously.

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Originally by: RuleoftheBone

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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 27/01/2008 17:10:45

Originally by: Lorz0r

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Originally by: RuleoftheBone

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Originally by: Lorz0r

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Originally by: Helen

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Originally by: StonedBoy

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Olso why are 99% of the small ganksquads nano gangs? If that's not a proof they're uber...

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Maybe because most ganksquads have to roam far to get kills, like I already said its a case of if you got to travel 50+ jumps you'd rather take a nano ship than a slow one.

Also fail camps are suck why don't people use more imagination to kill nanogangs.

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why don't nanogangs use more imagination than slapping as much speed on their ship as possible?

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Try Duck Hunt?

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nah, i'll stick to the gate camps until you get nerfed thanks.

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I see you already enjoy the ingame version.

A guy who flies Minmatar recons whining about web range? You are a very VERY silly Gallente crossover aintcha?

Or are you Caldari crossover? FOTM is awesome eh?

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Originally by: Grimpak

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Originally by: Cromiara

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Originally by: Grimpak

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false: only way to fight nanogangs is to use brain.

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OK but if you don't have that is there a mod set to make up for it? I mean everyone should be able to have a chance to win right? Maybe a tricky logic test ship mod. If you fail it your ship gets a 5% boost to speed, agility and Shield regen per level of failure?

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wtf you're talking about?

Here is what you need to engage a nanoship in a solo environment:

brains
nanite paste
mwd
web

what do you need to know about nanoships:

only 3 ships when in nano-setup can hurt you past the 20km mark and thos are the drone ships like the ishtar and curse and missile ships like the cerberus.

two of them are pretty easy to neutralize their firepower and the third requires VERY EXPENSIVE setups to be a viable nano (I'm talking about investing something in the order of one bil in implants alone here, nevermind faction mods and polys).

the most common of the nanoships, wich is the vagabond is pretty much useless for damage dealing purposes at 20km range. heck even at 10km range it won't deal that much damage and you have to slow down.

so how do you engage them.

timely usage of overheating and manual maneuvering. It's not a simple "mwd on -> approach target -> overheat webs and mwds -> F1-F8". IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

nanoships hit ridiculously high speeds yes, but at the addition of increased stress over the nanopilot, wich means increased probability of doing something wrong, and considering how thin are nanoships.. well, mistakes are paid in full in this world.

continuous pressure over a nanopilot and he is bound to do some mistake sooner or later.

that's how I managed to kill a 8km/sec stilleto in my 3km/sec taranis. Sure it took 2 hours to get that damn kill, but in the end it was much more worthwhile, because it proved my point that when we talk about speed, you need brains to know how to engage the guy.
Brains and perseverance.

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Originally by: Gamesguy

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Originally by: Lorz0r

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wait for the pilot to make a mistake - chec...wait I haven't heard that one before. I'll be sure to rely on it in the future.

Branko > yes, they are. Since you'll have the BS damped before he's even finished locking you.

and yes, i've read the whole thread and I still don't know what you're on about.

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Trinity called, he wants to tell you the game has changed.

Really shows a lot about the sort of people whining about nanos, when they dont even realize that a very large part of the pvp in this game has changed due to a nerf...over a month ago?

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