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Yiasa KronDair	Posted - 2008.02.03 09:24:00 - [91] Originally by: Mollie Black Originally by: Shadarle But honestly I'd be surprised if anyone could prove they are turning 10% a month off a raven bpo by manufacturing in empire. Let's assume a 1.5 million profit per ship and building 4 ships a day. (both very conservative) That would mean a profit of 6 million per day or 180 million per month. Assuming a 1 Billion BPO and 350 million in minerals to build the initial 4 ships in investment cost, that would be a 13.3% return per month. That is more then 10% a month and very doable in high sec Empire space. I think I have the math correct, but if I don't please point out my error. Hmn but that implies that you're ships are sold right away on the market, while in true nature depending on the ammount of "market grinding" I call it you have stock standing on the market. Lets say 2 ships worth or 175m isk on average. So you're total investment is 350m + 175m + 1000m = 1525m isk, return per month would be as stated 180m per month or a tight 11,8% return.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.02.03 22:52:00 - [92] Just curious, what is the build time on a raven. Can't get IG atm, don't know it off the top of my head. Improve Market Competition!
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.02.03 23:11:00 - [93] Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Just curious, what is the build time on a raven. Can't get IG atm, don't know it off the top of my head. 4h if I remember correctly. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Danari Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.04 07:51:00 - [94] 3h3m with max skills and PE 5. I'm going to sign out with one last comment. I put sell orders up for the 3 minerals with a markup larger than 7% 2 days ago, and the velocity has been absolute shyte. The other minerals have almost no margin at all. There are trit sell orders for less than buy orders 1-2 jumps away the margin is so tight. Meanwhile I've moved 1.8bil = about 240mil income in that same two days, some 18% markup tempests, a 21% geddon and some 15% domis. Even in an imaginary world where minerals fly off sell orders, and where you get a magical 7%, you're still screwed because when you subtract 1.1% of broker fees from 7%, and you do the same from worst case 10.7%, the resultant variance (9.6/5.9) is 62% larger. Shadarle is a known volatility trader, and fine, if that pays better than building ravens good, but representing mineral margins in an economy as efficient as Eve's as being lucrative is patently illogical on every side of inspection. Haven't exactly had a lot of ipos focused on buying and selling minerals on margin have we? Lot of production and trade ipos, a few on market manipulation, but nobody comes out with business plan to turn over a magical 7% day in and day out. If it were possible then an ipo could turn over 210% a month right? Doesn't ***** happen because on that scale of billions it's not ***** possible.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.02.04 08:06:00 - [95] Originally by: Danari Haven't exactly had a lot of ipos focused on buying and selling minerals on margin have we? Lot of production and trade ipos, a few on market manipulation, but nobody comes out with business plan to turn over a magical 7% day in and day out. If it were possible then an ipo could turn over 210% a month right? Doesn't ***** happen because on that scale of billions it's not ***** possible. I have the feeling that could have been expressed without cursing... but hey, that's just me. I'm sorry you were not able to trade billion's worth of minerals. But unfortunately your inability to do so does not make it impossible. It merely makes it something you were unable to do. Perhaps your particular system or region is going through a rough patch or perhaps it was the person trying to do it that was at fault. I can't say which. Do you want an honest answer why there isn't an IPO on straight mineral trading? Because I don't want to share the profits I make. I thought of starting an IPO about 6 months ago to do just that. Then I realized I didn't need to collect outside financing for it... I could do it all on my own. Perhaps others have felt the same way. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Blazing Fire Interstellar Operations Incorporated Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.04 08:20:00 - [96] Originally by: Mona Lou Market is easy way to get blueprint info though. We miss an ingame item database. Blazing Fire CEO Interstellar Operations Incorporated Corp web site Recruitment PvPeers wanted for 0.0 Fleet ops and roaming/defense gangs Looking for experienced players Looking for new EVE players Services [Service] Killboard hosting [Service] Forum hosting [Service] Web site hosting [Service] Obelisk for rent [Service] Alliance Creation Lotteries[/b] [Lottery] [EJIL] EVE Jackpot ISK Lottery
Danari Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.04 11:56:00 - [97] Yeah I'm on to you. Shenanigans. Aka you're lying.
Danari Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.04 13:14:00 - [98] Edited by: Danari on 04/02/2008 13:18:44 Originally by: Shadarle Except you're pulling numbers out of thin air. More fantasy. I track my mineral purchases against 7- 30- and 90-day averages. I know what my worst-case purchases were, and eve-graph tells me my sales. If I pull up a rolling 30-day report from eve-graph, it'll match directly against my rolling 30-day cost of producing ravens. When I say 10.7% is my raven markup, it's not 10.6, it's not 10.8, it's not a fluke short-term %, it's a 30-day average of 10.7%. Speaking of thin air, yeah, about the thin air you pull your fantasies from, still waiting *****. I pwn you at market 'pvp'. And You couldn't f1,f2... to save your life. You fail completely at eve. That must sting.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.02.04 17:09:00 - [99] Such anger I'm not in a racial capital, not even in the 2nd or 3rd largest hub of that race. I'm sorry that it makes you so angry that you are unable to accomplish what I am in the mineral market. My goal was not to make you feel inadequate but to help you raise your game, it seems I've failed at that. Just one last final word to you, I made more money on trit when it was declining than I did when it was rising. I've made as much since it's been stable as I did when it rose the last time. There are always margins if you know how to find them. I personally thought it was pretty easy, obviously it seems it is tougher for some. Enjoy your Raven production! Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Danari Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.04 20:20:00 - [100] Yeah that's what I thought. Shenanigans.

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