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Oratu
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:10:00 -
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My time here in eve, has been long and has been manifested through multiple faces (characters) since my mmo beginnings in 2004.
I was never a mmo fan, until about 4 years ago when I discovered eve and signed up, since then I have never looked back, or regretted dedicating so much time and effort into this game we all play.
I am 32, I really am to old to ***** about this that and the other, after all it is a game, and I made the choice, to play it.
No I am not quitting, no you cannot have my stuff, no I donÆt play wow...
Until about late 2006- early 2007, eve wasàwell the most fun ever, but since then its appeal has been on a downward spiral..i am not quite sure if I can attribute this to any one thing, but for the most part I think itÆs the crowding and ever exploding population which is taking its toll on the current hardware infrastructure WHICH is obviously approaching its limits at an unprecedented pace.
Being from a marketing background, CCPÆs decision to take the direction they are with regards to steam, is really a double edged swordàI mean the exposure eve will get on steam, will generate new revenueàlots of it, but on the same token, they open themselves up to the other side of blade, and by that I mean they will be introducing MORE pressure on a system, which as previously stated, is having difficulties dealing with the load it has now, let alone the potential load generated by leads made with eveÆs exposure to steam.
Marketing , for me anyways, YES generating more potential customers BUT not at the expense of my existing customer base. The best clients are those that come back, because unless you ôscrewö them they will keep coming back (the most part) àsometimes even if a cheaper product is made available from someone else(within reason).
Why ?? because of serviceàmost people, donÆt shop for a productàthey shop for the serviceàpeople will pay more for a product with good serviceàthan the same product with no service.
Obviously time and effort went into your decision to market Eve on steam, I understand that big companies donÆt just go ôhey lets do thisö and do it without any sort of analysis, risk assessment ectàbut really youÆs must have been drinking when you made that decision.
Just so people know, I am a HUGE fan of steam platform.
Regards
Ps if you reply with any of the following (inc in a combination) you truly are an idiot;
.: Epic
.: Fail
.: Mad Props
reagrdless i dont think i will bother replying here anyways...jsut soemthing i needed to say
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:17:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 28/01/2008 08:18:46
oh no a steam post!
really now?
what does this have to do with your topic title?
is it you don't like how steam will add lag?
or is that steam will change the game mechanics?
or is it you don't like the way the game works now?
which is it?
your title should of been "I don't agree with move to steam" or something like that.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:18:00 -
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Well as they have said, the marketing team is not the dev team.
Think of it like a horse, with the dev team being the front trying to move forward and the marketing team being the ass end that tries to walk wherever the **** it wants.
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Jei'son Bladesmith
The Storm Knights
The Cool Kids Club
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:18:00 -
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Steam = more people = more $$$ = get the supercomputer built faster = EVE runs better = happy people
Problem is?
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Illyrinia
Caldari
Custodis Silenti
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:19:00 -
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.: Epic
.: Fail
.: Mad Props
im an idiot :P
/ end sarcasm
anyways
i totally agree, when i started playing almost 2 years ago, it was lag free 99.9% of the time in empire. the massive amounts of population has created a need for an update to the current servers, or the current program.
honestly, i have no idea what the eve servers even look like, or how they are set up, a dev blog on them would be awsome, with some screen shots :D
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Jei'son Bladesmith
Steam = more people = more $$$ = get the supercomputer built faster = EVE runs better = happy people
Problem is?
but it's not the way it used to be in the old days!
oh wait it lagged with 10 people together in the old days.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:20:00 -
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Honestly, play the game for what it is: A game! And let the marketing department worry about exposure and market deriavities. Why spend energy worrying about game exposure to the masses, when I have more then enough to worry about ingame??
EVE marketing is one of the departments in CCP. Its their job to ensure exposure to the potential user markets. Honestly, since I am allready a player I dont want to spend my energy worrying about the market department and how they spend their energy. To be honest, I am more interested in how the content department spend their energie 
Steam is just another sales channel. And that is how I treat it. As a sales channel. Completely independent from "my world" as a "long-time" customer of EVE-online.
Originally by: CCP Whisper
I got your ambulation right here... <walks off to get more wine>
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:21:00 -
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I'd just like to say that the OP is full of epicfail madprops.
EvE is great. I love it. I love it more than a year ago. Madfailepicprops to CCP.
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Yes. Yes I am.
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Mercenary Services
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:27:00 -
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been there.. just try to find the most fun thing to do with in eve.
Stay up 2 date with the latest best ships and adept.
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CCP Chronotis
Amarr boost is coming in a future dev blog, lets keep this on topic
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Jei'son Bladesmith
Steam = more people = more $$$ = get the supercomputer built faster = EVE runs better = happy people
Problem is?
but it's not the way it used to be in the old days!
oh wait it lagged with 10 people together in the old days.
Well to be fair, I started a bit over 2 years ago, and back then I lived in Syndicate and had my fair share of relatively lag-free fleet battles. There was definitely some bad ones where neither side could do anything. But it took a lot of people (and a LOT of drones) to get to that point.
From what I can tell, there is no lag free fleet battles anymore. They just don't exist. Am I wrong?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Jei'son Bladesmith
Steam = more people = more $$$ = get the supercomputer built faster = EVE runs better = happy people
Problem is?
but it's not the way it used to be in the old days!
oh wait it lagged with 10 people together in the old days.
Well to be fair, I started a bit over 2 years ago, and back then I lived in Syndicate and had my fair share of relatively lag-free fleet battles. There was definitely some bad ones where neither side could do anything. But it took a lot of people (and a LOT of drones) to get to that point.
From what I can tell, there is no lag free fleet battles anymore. They just don't exist. Am I wrong?
they exsist in the great wildlands where I lve.
no lag fleets there.
it still happens but not very offen.
and when it does it 200 people fights :P
which never happens!
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Syriano Keldon
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:38:00 -
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Im gonna have to give you mad props on the epic fail. lol im sorry i had to.
But TBH, CCP wants money, like any big company no matter how they start, want money. More people = more money, greed is the reason for alot of the **** we put up with in EVE. Just go with the flow and have as much fun as possible along the way, but CCP, don't get corrupt now, unless that has already happened..........
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Armoured C
Gallente
Globaltech Industries
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:42:00 -
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wow i wish people stop osting lag mail or compaling about server problem and crap people already know the infastrcuture is being update with a super computer... but it doesnt just come off a dell assembly line and arrive the next day ( bloody hell i hope it doesnt)
quit you whine and everyone else who mention lag , servers .... i mean it just boring now
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:43:00 -
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Yeah well your mom ain't what she used to be either..... is what I would have posted had the OP not made a well-constructed post regarding the potential drawbacks of Eve affiliating with Steam. I came seeking epic fail but ended up giving mad props.
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Mozqito
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:44:00 -
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Oratu, I think this comes down to vet-depression. I don't really have time to write a really long post about it, but don't you think what you are experiencing is simply boredom because you've played this particular game for too long now?
I'm sure the newbies right now are feeling all the excitement you did when you started back in 2004. An d I'm convinced that in 2010, they will be the ones making posts about how "EVE has lost its charm".
Incidentally enough, I quit this game (first quit) at the time you started, for the very same reasons that you voice here. We once crashed a node in Syndicate when we did a 6 vs 6 battle
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.01.28 09:00:00 -
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Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.01.28 09:00:00 -
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Oh, look! It's yet another Bitter EVE VeteranÖ rant. 
The question you need to ask yourself is: Has the game really changed that much, or have I changed?
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Ama-gi
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Posted - 2008.01.28 10:02:00 -
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the game as changed a lot. I still like it after 4 yrs though :) It think the noobs get too much info handed to them via tip of the day. They should have to figure crap out by accident like we did  LOL, not really. I do think we should've had tip of the day from the beginning though, it sure woulda been nice!
to the OP, take a break. log on to keep skills training. come back ina month or three. you'll fall in love with eve all over again. I promise.
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Niffetin
Gallente
Omni Research
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Posted - 2008.01.28 10:08:00 -
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2006 was the best year I had in EVE, most definitely.
After that the game has been going downhill for quite a some time.
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Zor Chayne
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.01.28 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Oratu
Why ?? because of serviceàmost people, donÆt shop for a productàthey shop for the serviceàpeople will pay more for a product with good serviceàthan the same product with no service.
You are an idiot or an idealist. This is not the case in real world retail.
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Kaar Tath
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.28 11:53:00 -
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I buy all my white goods from a local retailer rather than large chain stores/online precisely for the service element - it costs me more but if my cooker fails its fixed very quickly
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2008.01.28 12:10:00 -
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Pretty undercover troll tbh.
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Caiman Graystock
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.28 12:14:00 -
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EVE needs fresh blood, a constant supply of it, to thrive. You're never going to stop it growing.
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Roxanna Kell
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.28 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 28/01/2008 12:55:36
Originally by: Jei'son Bladesmith
Steam = more people = more $$$ = get the supercomputer built faster = EVE runs better = happy people
Problem is?
Problem is this, and i am going to agree with the op on everything he said, due to his unlacking ability to see things from a bigger picture.
40000 players right now, hardware dealing with it ok so far, ok until population booms in local, which is very common in wars between big alliances.
Lets say we need 10k more online to be able to afford the new super computer, By the time we hit 50k, we will lag like we are playing 20feet under water, shortly afterwards eve will be upgraded, and all will be well.
well, let me rephrase, not soooooooooo shortly afterwords. eve will just maybe back to square 1, running just about ok, because now it will have to handle 50k isntead of 40k.
Its been going in a circle since the biggining. everytime we need revenue for bigger, faster hardware, we ended needing more 1-3 months after the upgrade due to the marketing compaigns, I see eve advert in most gaming websites.
All fair and quare if ccp wants to make this a profit driven game only, I stoped caring a year ago. and used all my isk to pay for the last 12 months of subscribtion, the only reason i like eve, is for its community and friends, the people here are very mature -goons. which is good for a change.
Originally by: Niffetin
2006 was the best year I had in EVE, most definitely.
After that the game has been going downhill for quite a some time.
Same for me, joined in 2004, 2005 was learning to pvp, 2006 pvp to extreme.
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.01.28 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
Well as they have said, the marketing team is not the dev team.
Think of it like a horse, with the dev team being the front trying to move forward and the marketing team being the ass end that tries to walk wherever the **** it wants.
I don't know where you've worked before but that's not what goes on at CCP at least. Was funny to read though.
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: SiJira on 28/01/2008 15:27:59
yarrr?
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:53:00 -
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The fanboys fu is strong in this thread, I love this game and a admire the continued dedication of the team behind it all but you cannot ignore the problems like game balance and lag and its not to difficult to recognise that if these problems continue to deteriorate the community and the game will eventually begin to suffer.
Its no good to just stick your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't happen but on the other hand ranting at CCP or threatening to quit is even more futile. We Just have to trust in CCP to keep doing whats best for EVE and if things do **** you off that much well you know the answer to that yourself already but just do it instead of trying to squeeze drama out of it.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Eve's Elite
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:56:00 -
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What about steampunks?
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Pan Crastus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.28 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Oratu
Marketing , for me anyways, YES generating more potential customers BUT not at the expense of my existing customer base. The best clients are those that come back, because unless you ôscrewö them they will keep coming back (the most part) àsometimes even if a cheaper product is made available from someone else(within reason).
Why ?? because of serviceàmost people, donÆt shop for a productàthey shop for the serviceàpeople will pay more for a product with good serviceàthan the same product with no service.
/signed
The best marketing is a good service. Often aggressive marketing is seen as a solution for lack of product quality (or for having an inferior product compared to the competition). Let's hope that CCP hasn't deemed it hopeless/pointless to improve the technology behind EVE yet, although it would explain the current direction (i.e. lots of marketing, no visible improvement save the eyecandy).
EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
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Marshall Zhukov
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Posted - 2008.01.28 16:23:00 -
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Steam will have no affect on EVE as Steam will have nothing to do with the EVE servers. CCP just are going to use Steam to promote EVE and Sierra or whoever owns Steam will make some bonus money on people signing up for EVE via Steam. Maybe in this way CCP can also close the completelly open trial and have new trials setup via Steam which could possibly help reduce the number of Chinese ISK farmer spammers.
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