Originally by: Soyemia

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Yeah, hitting scanner every 5 secs is SUPERDUPER fun while NPCing. No

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Originally by: Endeva

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id like ccp to remove local chat window pls.

ppl in empire dont need it / only creates lag and for advertasing

ppl in 0.0 use it just for strategical advantage and smack

so pls remove it from game..

good things: no smack, less lag, no more chinesse contol+q cos now when you npcing you will need to open a scanner and actually use it (maybe to put 28au instead of 14 au scanner ingame).
tbh i dont see reason why game still have local chat?!!. for what, so when you jump you see 15 ppl and know that you need to ss and log?? tbh would be better to fly and dont know what you can find in system till you scan it - for small engangments and large one.

to all ppl that disagree with me. fo you chinesses isk farmers. only real pvpers will actually understand this.

CCP make this game more fun . cheers

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Originally by: Bransden

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Originally by: Endeva

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id like ccp to remove local chat window pls.

ppl in empire dont need it / only creates lag and for advertasing

ppl in 0.0 use it just for strategical advantage and smack

so pls remove it from game..

good things: no smack, less lag, no more chinesse contol+q cos now when you npcing you will need to open a scanner and actually use it (maybe to put 28au instead of 14 au scanner ingame).
tbh i dont see reason why game still have local chat?!!. for what, so when you jump you see 15 ppl and know that you need to ss and log?? tbh would be better to fly and dont know what you can find in system till you scan it - for small engangments and large one.

to all ppl that disagree with me. fo you chinesses isk farmers. only real pvpers will actually understand this.

CCP make this game more fun . cheers

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Your post reeks of idiocy and mild xenophobia. I can count in excess of 20 spelling/grammar errors, strongly indicating that amount of thought that you've put into your argument for the removal of local to stop "chinesse contol+q." Please, do us all a favor, and just stop posting.

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Originally by: Endeva

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Originally by: Soyemia

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Yeah, hitting scanner every 5 secs is SUPERDUPER fun while NPCing. No

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btw dude.

ppl who acutally owe some space ( i dont own any space ) will have intel channels so whats the problem??

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when you npcing you will need to open a scanner and actually use it (maybe to put 28au instead of 14 au scanner ingame)

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Originally by: Bransden

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Originally by: Endeva

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id like ccp to remove local chat window pls.

ppl in empire dont need it / only creates lag and for advertasing

ppl in 0.0 use it just for strategical advantage and smack

so pls remove it from game..

good things: no smack, less lag, no more chinesse contol+q cos now when you npcing you will need to open a scanner and actually use it (maybe to put 28au instead of 14 au scanner ingame).
tbh i dont see reason why game still have local chat?!!. for what, so when you jump you see 15 ppl and know that you need to ss and log?? tbh would be better to fly and dont know what you can find in system till you scan it - for small engangments and large one.

to all ppl that disagree with me. fo you chinesses isk farmers. only real pvpers will actually understand this.

CCP make this game more fun . cheers

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Your post reeks of idiocy and mild xenophobia. I can count in excess of 20 spelling/grammar errors, strongly indicating that amount of thought that you've put into your argument for the removal of local to stop "chinesse contol+q." Please, do us all a favor, and just stop posting.

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Originally by: Ibaneez

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I bet every cloaker would be happy with that since you can fly trough unseen everywhere, that that however outbalance the game abit (read it ALOT) to me. So id say a def. BIG NO

im getting tired of all those cloakers allready lol

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Originally by: Endeva

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Edited by: Endeva on 28/01/2008 15:34:24

Originally by: Ibaneez

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I bet every cloaker would be happy with that since you can fly trough unseen everywhere, that that however outbalance the game abit (read it ALOT) to me. So id say a def. BIG NO

im getting tired of all those cloakers allready lol

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when you say "fly trough unseen everywhere" you mean for recon ships, cos cloacking industrials and cloacking ravens CANT warp cloacked.

so whats problem in that - recons can fly unseen everywhere but you gonna acutally see them at gates when jumping.
you wanna tell me when you see now 3 guys in local and when you have nothing on scanner BUT you see 3 man in local chat that you logoff or what cos you thinking that all 3 of them are in recons?
i dont see problems that if someone is in a recon that he can fly cloacked and i dont see him.
but i see problem when ppl see local has raised by 3 ppl and they immideatly hit control q.

edit: theres more good things then bad things in that change.

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Originally by: Kappas.

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Edited by: Kappas. on 28/01/2008 16:05:35

Originally by: Endeva

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Edited by: Endeva on 28/01/2008 15:34:24

Originally by: Ibaneez

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I bet every cloaker would be happy with that since you can fly trough unseen everywhere, that that however outbalance the game abit (read it ALOT) to me. So id say a def. BIG NO

im getting tired of all those cloakers allready lol

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when you say "fly trough unseen everywhere" you mean for recon ships, cos cloacking industrials and cloacking ravens CANT warp cloacked.

so whats problem in that - recons can fly unseen everywhere but you gonna acutally see them at gates when jumping.
you wanna tell me when you see now 3 guys in local and when you have nothing on scanner BUT you see 3 man in local chat that you logoff or what cos you thinking that all 3 of them are in recons?
i dont see problems that if someone is in a recon that he can fly cloacked and i dont see him.
but i see problem when ppl see local has raised by 3 ppl and they immideatly hit control q.

edit: theres more good things then bad things in that change.

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You remember a few expansions back when CCP accidentally killed local chat, and the huge amount of threads with people complaining about it?
Unless there's another thing in the game to replace local it should stay. If you think a chat channel with only enter/leave/chat announcements (ie data sent to and from the server) imagine 45,000 people pressing the scan button every 2 seconds and asking the server for a list of everything within a 14au, or 28au radius (as you suggested).

Next, isk farmers will adapt. Most of them don't use macros but use a sweatshop with actual people at the controls, if they can watch local, they can hit the scan button.

Going through space looking for people to kill will be a case of scan 'oh there's a ship' check every belt, scanning all the time, spending ages in a system only to realise that ship is sitting at a POS. No thanks.

Also, controlling 0.0 space will be next to impossible. With no way to know if a huge fleet is moving towards your station systems to shoot at your POS, you can't get a big enough fleet together in time to deal with them, it'll be an "there's 200 people shooting at my POS!!11! Halp me!!1!" moment

In short: No. Not unless there's another tool to use to see who is in the system with you.

Edit: You better delete the chinese reference in your post or your post will be deleted for racism.

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Originally by: Kappas.

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Edited by: Kappas. on 28/01/2008 16:05:35

Originally by: Endeva

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Edited by: Endeva on 28/01/2008 15:34:24

Originally by: Ibaneez

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I bet every cloaker would be happy with that since you can fly trough unseen everywhere, that that however outbalance the game abit (read it ALOT) to me. So id say a def. BIG NO

im getting tired of all those cloakers allready lol

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when you say "fly trough unseen everywhere" you mean for recon ships, cos cloacking industrials and cloacking ravens CANT warp cloacked.

so whats problem in that - recons can fly unseen everywhere but you gonna acutally see them at gates when jumping.
you wanna tell me when you see now 3 guys in local and when you have nothing on scanner BUT you see 3 man in local chat that you logoff or what cos you thinking that all 3 of them are in recons?
i dont see problems that if someone is in a recon that he can fly cloacked and i dont see him.
but i see problem when ppl see local has raised by 3 ppl and they immideatly hit control q.

edit: theres more good things then bad things in that change.

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You remember a few expansions back when CCP accidentally killed local chat, and the huge amount of threads with people complaining about it?
Unless there's another thing in the game to replace local it should stay. If you think a chat channel with only enter/leave/chat announcements (ie data sent to and from the server) imagine 45,000 people pressing the scan button every 2 seconds and asking the server for a list of everything within a 14au, or 28au radius (as you suggested).

Next, isk farmers will adapt. Most of them don't use macros but use a sweatshop with actual people at the controls, if they can watch local, they can hit the scan button.

Going through space looking for people to kill will be a case of scan 'oh there's a ship' check every belt, scanning all the time, spending ages in a system only to realise that ship is sitting at a POS. No thanks.

Also, controlling 0.0 space will be next to impossible. With no way to know if a huge fleet is moving towards your station systems to shoot at your POS, you can't get a big enough fleet together in time to deal with them, it'll be an "there's 200 people shooting at my POS!!11! Halp me!!1!" moment

In short: No. Not unless there's another tool to use to see who is in the system with you.

Edit: You better delete the chinese reference in your post or your post will be deleted for racism.

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Originally by: Tunjo Fradjman

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so how i see it, only people complaining about this are either isk farmers or the ones that have gotten to 0.0 and never moved 3 jumps from their "home" system. such people should by default be ignored anyway, especially on this forum.

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Originally by: NightF0x

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Edited by: NightF0x on 28/01/2008 18:01:28

Originally by: Tunjo Fradjman

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so how i see it, only people complaining about this are either isk farmers or the ones that have gotten to 0.0 and never moved 3 jumps from their "home" system. such people should by default be ignored anyway, especially on this forum.

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you should really stop assuming, it makes you look like an arse. I'm all for eliminating local but if you propose eliminating it then you need to offer some kind of replacement (like you did in your post). I like the idea of adding a POS module that scans for signatures. How populated with POS's is low-sec? I think with this plan that you may have convinced some of the null-sec pilots but low/high-sec space needs to have some kind of replacement.

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Originally by: NightF0x

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Edited by: NightF0x on 28/01/2008 18:01:28

you should really stop assuming, it makes you look like an arse. I'm all for eliminating local but if you propose eliminating it then you need to offer some kind of replacement (like you did in your post). I like the idea of adding a POS module that scans for signatures. How populated with POS's is low-sec? I think with this plan that you may have convinced some of the null-sec pilots but low/high-sec space needs to have some kind of replacement.

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Originally by: Kiithnaras

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And see, I disagree. Vehemently. Local chat exists and has existed basically since eve's inception. Removing it disables any real essence of seeing who is in the system with you. It has become such an integral part of the game that most veteran players will be very upset if it goes, and there will be horrific public outcry. Last I knew, the split was more or less even between those who wanted to keep and those who wanted to nix Local.

Removal of local hinders newer players, too, preventing them from seeing if criminals are around to cause them harm. Scanning hammers the server and doesn't really tell you who is where, just that there are ships in the range of your scanner. Gate camping covert ops would be incredibly boring, quite the opposite of fun, particularly for hours at a time.

Think about it, why else did CCP introduce the IMPROVEMENTS to local, giving them standing and corp/alliance status icons? Saves an immense amount of time in both low and nullsec and saves bandwidth on servers (You do Show Info in a 150vs150 man blob war sometime, tell me how fun that isn't.)

Removing local? Well, that really does favor camps and invading forces, not providing intel either way. When a group of 20 black ops with capitals jumps into your system without local to tell you the huge boost in numbers, don't whine to me about it.

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Originally by: Endeva

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edit: at gatecamping. i hope they add STARGATE smartbomb cos i cannot actually believe that someone can sit on gate and wait for some noob(that get his first mission in 0.4)to jump into them so 50 of them can kill his caracal or whatever.

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