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Karpacz
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:04:00 -
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When i get something from wrecks that i don't shoot down the other person can for 15 minutes shoot at me with no risk. But when somone steals from my wrecks on my eves a can't do ******* nothing !!! no 15 min timer for mee when i atacked him concor.. showed and blowed mee. Thanks for the trial every one can see how stupid this game is...
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Richard Phallus
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Richard Phallus on 28/01/2008 15:05:37
Are you sure they stole from your wrecks, and didn't just salvage them? |
Maximillion Carter
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Maximillion Carter on 28/01/2008 15:08:47
Seems like you took stuff out of his container but all they did was salvage your wreck, two very different operations within Eve....
That's the difference with EvE, it has a steep learning curve to keep the idiots out! - Good luck back in WoW.
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:06:00 -
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Yet another trial that can't understand the rules...
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Karpacz
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:10:00 -
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What RULES ??
1 you can't steal.
2 Others can
???
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Freaky Eyes
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:14:00 -
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Just quit and stop bothering us here.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:14:00 -
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May help
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Maximillion Carter
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Karpacz
What RULES ??
1 you can't steal.
2 Others can
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Well yes actually you can steal if you want, admittedly in hi-sec this will get you into various levels of trouble.
WRECKS - Salvaging from them will NOT get you flagged as aggressive, however taking the contents will get you flagged for 15 minutes!
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Karpacz
What RULES ??
1 you can't steal.
2 Others can
???
There are two things you can get from a wreck. Salvage and loot.
If you open the wreck, and take its loot, and someone else had made that ship a wreck, you are stealing, and can be shot.
If someone salvages a wreck, it doesn't matter who made that ship a wreck - it's not stealing.
That's where you are confused.
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skuko
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:21:00 -
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to OP: jesus freakin christ, CZ in the name....go back to Drak'Thul dude, this game ain't for ya :)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Karpacz
But when somone steals from my wrecks
You are confusing STEALING with SALVAGING.
Taking the contents of a wreck (loot) IS stealing.
Salvaging the wreck and leaving all contents alone IS NOT stealing.
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Grunanca
BLACK-FLAG
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:22:00 -
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If you are on trial account you havent lost anything you cant make up for in an hour in a month anyway
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Karpacz
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Karpacz on 28/01/2008 15:25:42
Originally by: Agent Li
There are two things you can get from a wreck. Salvage and loot.
If you open the wreck, and take its loot, and someone else had made that ship a wreck, you are stealing, and can be shot.
The guy opened my wrec 3 seconds after i shoot it down and no I COULDN'T shoot at him.
The same happened in second asteroid belt. I shoot down the "pirates" and he fast made them empty. And still i couldn't atack him so ....
And he didn't left any cargo container ....
Originally by: Agent Li
If someone salvages a wreck, it doesn't matter who made that ship a wreck - it's not stealing.
That's where you are confused.
We was't salvaging them ...
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Kessiaan
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 28/01/2008 15:27:39
Did he start flashing red in your overview when he took from your wrecks then? Was he in the same corp as you?
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Karpacz
Edited by: Karpacz on 28/01/2008 15:25:42
Originally by: Agent Li
There are two things you can get from a wreck. Salvage and loot.
If you open the wreck, and take its loot, and someone else had made that ship a wreck, you are stealing, and can be shot.
The guy opened my wrec 3 seconds after i shoot it down and no I COULDN'T shoot at him.
The same happened in second asteroid belt. I shoot down the "pirates" and he fast made them empty. And still i couldn't atack him so ....
And he didn't left any cargo container ....
Originally by: Agent Li
If someone salvages a wreck, it doesn't matter who made that ship a wreck - it's not stealing.
That's where you are confused.
We was't salvaging them ...
If he was shooting at the ship at the same time you were, it's possible the final wreck wasn't yours, either. Just because you're the first to shoot at a ship doesn't make it your wreck.
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Shanur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:34:00 -
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Lesson learned: Don't open fire in high sec unless your opponent is flashy red, unless you are willing o sacrifice your ship.
The game does not suck because you don't fully understand its mechanics yet. Looting and salvaging are subject to 2 different sets of rules, both of which are quite deliberate.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Karpacz
The guy opened my wrec 3 seconds after i shoot it down and no I COULDN'T shoot at him.
The same happened in second asteroid belt. I shoot down the "pirates" and he fast made them empty. And still i couldn't atack him so ....
Were the wrecks coloured WHITE or YELLOW on the overview ?
If they were white, they were yours, and when he looted them, he should have started flashing red and you should have been able to shoot him.
If they were yellow, sorry for you, it was HIS wreck, not yours, HE killed the NPC, not you.
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Karpacz
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shanur
Lesson learned: Don't open fire in high sec unless your opponent is flashy red, unless you are willing o sacrifice your ship.
The game does not suck because you don't fully understand its mechanics yet. Looting and salvaging are subject to 2 different sets of rules, both of which are quite deliberate.
HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE TO WRITE IT
1. He WASN'T IN MY CORP
2/.WRECKS WHERE MINE WHITE FULL ARROW.
3 . AFTER HIS VISTI ARROW WAS EMPTY..
So donnt' write me i don't know the differense from stealing/salvaging... !!
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Karpacz
Originally by: Shanur
Lesson learned: Don't open fire in high sec unless your opponent is flashy red, unless you are willing o sacrifice your ship.
The game does not suck because you don't fully understand its mechanics yet. Looting and salvaging are subject to 2 different sets of rules, both of which are quite deliberate.
HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE TO WRITE IT
1. He WASN'T IN MY CORP
2/.WRECKS WHERE MINE WHITE FULL ARROW.
3 . AFTER HIS VISTI ARROW WAS EMPTY..
So donnt' write me i don't know the differense from stealing/salvaging... !!
What we're saying is that it is far more likely that you made the mistake than the existence of a fault in the aggression mechanics.
Most of the people I've killed in game were people who didn't understand the game mechanics, and started shooting at me.
I no longer bother to talk with them and explain it, because they're generally as angry as you are, and not willing to listen to how the rules work.
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Haurian Commando
Gallente
Cursed Souls
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Karpacz
So donnt' write me i don't know the differense from stealing/salvaging... !!
lol, theres your answer
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:51:00 -
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hihi. And he didn't even make it to lowsec apparently. 
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Karpacz
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li
What we're saying is that it is far more likely that you made the mistake than the existence of a fault in the aggression mechanics.
Most of the people I've killed in game were people who didn't understand the game mechanics, and started shooting at me.
I no longer bother to talk with them and explain it, because they're generally as angry as you are, and not willing to listen to how the rules work.
What mechanics!!!
I'm not a daltonist i can see the difference from white/yellow. I know what corp i belong and he wasn't.
So don't f.. here about rules and mechanics if they sometimes work sometimes not ...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.01.28 16:01:00 -
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If you are so sure they were your wrecks (white, not yellow) and you are so sure he stole loot from them (full white turning empty white), then PETITION the CONCORD ship loss and BUG-REPORT the whole incident.
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.28 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Karpacz
What mechanics!!!
I'm not a daltonist i can see the difference from white/yellow. I know what corp i belong and he wasn't.
So don't f.. here about rules and mechanics if they sometimes work sometimes not ...
There are zero faults in the aggression mechanics. If you believe otherwise, you can file a petition in game.
Although there are some bugs in Eve, there don't seem to be any in the aggression mechanics - otherwise, everyone and their mother would be complaining about this.
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Orgos Khenn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.28 16:02:00 -
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Door is that way. NEXT!
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Concordokken Plox
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Posted - 2008.01.28 16:02:00 -
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Quit complaining and quit already.
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James Swindle
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.01.28 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: James Swindle on 28/01/2008 16:05:11
Originally by: Karpacz
Originally by: Agent Li
What we're saying is that it is far more likely that you made the mistake than the existence of a fault in the aggression mechanics.
Most of the people I've killed in game were people who didn't understand the game mechanics, and started shooting at me.
I no longer bother to talk with them and explain it, because they're generally as angry as you are, and not willing to listen to how the rules work.
What mechanics!!!
I'm not a daltonist i can see the difference from white/yellow. I know what corp i belong and he wasn't.
So don't f.. here about rules and mechanics if they sometimes work sometimes not ...
Well you obviously dont understand the game mechanics/rules 100% otherwise you wouldn't be ranting on like there was something wrong with the game. You have obviously done something wrong or miss understood something.
I suggest you calm down, and contact the guy that killed you an ask (name in killmail) why you did not get kill rights against him. He will probably know what you did wrong, and most people are willing to help out a noob.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.01.28 16:06:00 -
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Wasn't there a bug recently that some wrecks showed as full in the icon even when they weren't and only showed properly when you opened them and saw there was nothing in there? What happenned to that? It seems like the most obvious explanation here.
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Durao
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.28 16:12:00 -
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Lets be a little realistic here. One of two things happened:
1) You or people you were with messed up somehow.
2) You became stuck in a special game mechanics warp-zone, and the mechanics magically stopped working for you and only you, while the rest of Eve continued to function normally.
I go with number 1.
I'll be the first one to help a new player in need, but the first thing you want to do is find out how you screwed up instead of blaming game mechanics that work for everyone else.
Take it easy. In Eve, sometimes you kill, and sometimes you're killed. Life goes on. |
Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.01.28 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Karpacz
I'm not a daltonist i can see the difference from white/yellow.
Strictly speaking, if you suffered from deuteranopia you would still almost definitely be able to distinguish white from yellow. Even with monochromacy it may still be possible.
That aside, I think you should persevere with Eve. Your postings on the forum so far demonstrate the calm, level-headed approach to giving feedback about the game that is so common among many regular players.
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