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ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2008.01.30 15:43:00 - [31] Edited by: ry ry on 30/01/2008 15:47:03 Quote: What is the essential need to change icons and colors (that's what WoW UI addon's do). i know what 'wow addons' do, cheers. that's why i think a customisable UI would be A Good Thing. look. it's the old UI, because its the only image with more than a couple of windows open i could find, but add an overview to that and you're approaching the Eve Experience (TM). most of that stuff could be compressed down to little draggable bars, complete with actual values or percentages, or maybe even just numbers. like this, or sumfink. chuck that in the corner out of the way, and you've just gained a whole bunch more screen space. i don't want buttons to automatically target and repair damaged drones or anything of the sort, i just want to be able to fight you lot without fighting a bunch of random windows, accidentally overheating my MWD, starting a conversation and jettisoning all my ammo at the same time. customisable UI ffs! [IMAGE REMOVED]
Stormaar	Posted - 2008.01.30 15:54:00 - [32] Originally by: ry ry Edited by: ry ry on 30/01/2008 15:47:03 Quote: What is the essential need to change icons and colors (that's what WoW UI addon's do). i know what 'wow addons' do, cheers. that's why i think a customisable UI would be A Good Thing. look. it's the old UI, because its the only image with more than a couple of windows open i could find, but add an overview to that and you're approaching the Eve Experience (TM). most of that stuff could be compressed down to little draggable bars, complete with actual values or percentages, or maybe even just numbers. like this, or sumfink. chuck that in the corner out of the way, and you've just gained a whole bunch more screen space. i don't want buttons to automatically target and repair damaged drones or anything of the sort, i just want to be able to fight you lot without fighting a bunch of random windows, accidentally overheating my MWD, starting a conversation and jettisoning all my ammo at the same time. customisable UI ffs! very nice GUI )) may be somewhere too heavy, but nice. Target frames - da best ) ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
Kuranta	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:02:00 - [33] Originally by: ry ry i don't want buttons to automatically target and repair damaged drones or anything of the sort, i just want to be able to fight you lot without fighting a bunch of random windows, accidentally overheating my MWD, starting a conversation and jettisoning all my ammo at the same time. - if you have random windows open: close them - never happened to me. Use shortcuts to activate modules, it's faster anyway. Or be less clumsy. - how is it possible to accidentually open a convo or jettison cargo? Opening a can of worms (customizable UI) just 'cause you are clumsy won't happen. The negative points of it ("must have addons") have been mentioned.
Stormaar	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:36:00 - [34] Edited by: Stormaar on 30/01/2008 17:38:45 wonna play default - play default. But let the player choose what he/she wonna see on screen, and how. If u cant imagine something other, somthing slightly different from what u have - its only ur problem. Dont stop progress. Dont be square at all. ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:46:00 - [35] Customising the UI, fine... As long as it's in the form that's already been started, such as letting people move and resize things. Adding functions through custome plugins: No! Keep the game on at least a somewhat level playing field, don't create a bunch of haves and have nots.
KOS Strayer	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:49:00 - [36] The EvE UI is one of the most archaic UIs I have ever had the displeasure of using. While the game is fun, the UI is a detraction from the experience that could be had. Any comments to the effect of "go play wow" or "addons are cheating" are stupidity incarnate. Right clicking to access every function went out the window in the early 90's. The EvE ui in its current state is an utter embarrassment to an otherwise great game.
Stormaar	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:52:00 - [37] Originally by: Larg Kellein Customising the UI, fine... As long as it's in the form that's already been started, such as letting people move and resize things. Adding functions through custome plugins: No! Keep the game on at least a somewhat level playing field, don't create a bunch of haves and have nots. more than simle lol... current level... started... eah. Today 30 jan 2008 - where this f**** horizontal scroll bar? Its realy imposible. Is it CHEAT? Or may be this break ballance? Shocked. ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons**
Stormaar	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:55:00 - [38] Edited by: Stormaar on 30/01/2008 17:55:42 Originally by: KOS Strayer The EvE UI is one of the most archaic UIs I have ever had the displeasure of using. While the game is fun, the UI is a detraction from the experience that could be had. Any comments to the effect of "go play wow" or "addons are cheating" are stupidity incarnate. Right clicking to access every function went out the window in the early 90's. The EvE ui in its current state is an utter embarrassment to an otherwise great game. /agree May be im miss comand line somewhere in EVE? So, 2+ years players - point me please to this powerful tool of intergalactic dominance... ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Stormaar Originally by: Larg Kellein Customising the UI, fine... As long as it's in the form that's already been started, such as letting people move and resize things. Adding functions through custome plugins: No! Keep the game on at least a somewhat level playing field, don't create a bunch of haves and have nots. more than simle lol... current level... started... eah. Today 30 jan 2008 - where this f****** horizontal scroll bar? Its realy imposible. Is it CHEAT? Or may be this break ballance? Shocked. I'll get back to you as soon as I understand wtf you're ranting about. I think there's some misunderstanding about what constitutes an addon. For example, I would not want someone to make a plugin that would alert them to someone new entering local, but don't see a problem with people being able to make the HUD smaller so it doesn't take up half the screen.
McAltyalty	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:03:00 - [40] Originally by: KOS Strayer The EvE UI is one of the most archaic UIs I have ever had the displeasure of using. While the game is fun, the UI is a detraction from the experience that could be had. Any comments to the effect of "go play wow" or "addons are cheating" are stupidity incarnate. Right clicking to access every function went out the window in the early 90's. The EvE ui in its current state is an utter embarrassment to an otherwise great game. This. To those telling people to go back to WoW, why don't you grow up. All we want is the ability to move, resize, and position the aspects of the UI already present. It would be nice to be able to reskin them too but thats not necessary. Its not like we're asking for the UI to flash when someone enters local or to have an alpha strike button. Stop defining Eve in relation to other MMO's, by refusing suggestions just because another MMO does it is childish and short sighted .
Turin Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:13:00 - [41] Originally by: Steve Hawkings This is EVE not WOW, I would like to keep it that way, UI is fine. What a lame argument. "OMG, thats a feature used in WOW, therefore, we CANNOT HAVE IT IN THIS GAME! WE MUST BE DISASSOCIATED WITH ANYTHING THEY DO IN WOW IN ALL SHAPES AND FORMS!! OMG OMG OMG@!#$@!#@$%@#$%@#$@!#%^ETYWRSTGHFJYTYW$ER@#^$" Super lame argument. Customizable UI's have been part of MMO's LONG before WOW. Anarchy Online had this going a good 2 years before WOW came out. Allowing people to create thier own gaming experience is never a bad thing, and your view is just short sighted and foolish. _________________________________
Grave Boy	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:40:00 - [42] Dear EVE developers, Let's formalize our discussion a bit. EVE community waits for two different improvements: customizable user interface (CUI) and Addons support (ADD). Example of CUIs are Winamp Skins (www.winamp.com/skins) - they always save balance of features and only change presentation. CUI does not break ingame-philosophy. Example of ADDs are WoW addons - they provide additional functionality and can even change behavior of gameplay. Both CUIs and ADDs have problem: "for those that have them, giving them a great advantage compared to those that don't". But isn't this is what our life is?! We can do better things using better instruments! Please give us a right to choose instruments we want! Okey, this is life, but how to save a balanced gameplay when there will be "secret weapons" of all kinds? What do we do with those who try to automate gameplay and become "immortals of EVE"? Of course, not all instruments can be legal, but that does not mean that we all have to use bikes instead of cars! Here is idea: First, let's mark all legal ADDs as "EVE-compatible" and allow usage only of EVE-compatible addons.To make this policy control, all you need is to sign valid ADD and then check in EVE if user uses only valid ADDs that do not break game philosophy. Of course, to make equal access to all "EVE-compatible" ADDs and CUIs for all players, there must be public list of ADDs and CUIs on www.eve-online.com. Finally, you can even create a public vote system/rating for ADDs and CUIs. Isn't this is a very democratic way to keep balance with EVE improvements? Thank you!
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2008.01.30 19:03:00 - [43] Originally by: Kuranta Originally by: ry ry i don't want buttons to automatically target and repair damaged drones or anything of the sort, i just want to be able to fight you lot without fighting a bunch of random windows, accidentally overheating my MWD, starting a conversation and jettisoning all my ammo at the same time. - if you have random windows open: close them - never happened to me. Use shortcuts to activate modules, it's faster anyway. LOL U MUST BE CLUMSEY N00B LOL!!1!. - how is it possible to accidentually open a convo or jettison cargo? Opening a can of worms (customizable UI) just 'cause you are clumsy won't happen. The negative points of it ("must have addons") have been mentioned. most of those things don't happen very often, but they can be done if you're clicking quickly. as far as i can remember you can jetisson stuff by dragging it out of cargo into space, and right clicking to show infor on somebody can easily end up as an accidental convo. i'm glad you're 100% satisfied with the UI. i'm not. [IMAGE REMOVED]
Ehronn Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.01.30 19:51:00 - [44] custom skins would be awesome. id love to shrink target icons or remove the ship blob in the bottom of screen for smaller windows, etc. ----------------------- My Blog Dysfunctional Playground
Stormaar	Posted - 2008.01.30 19:53:00 - [45] Originally by: Ehronn custom skins would be awesome. id love to shrink target icons or remove the ship blob in the bottom of screen for smaller windows, etc. Skins is simple way, but this not enough. ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
Fanjita	Posted - 2008.01.30 20:01:00 - [46] Originally by: ApaKaka Let me give you a real example of why this is not allowed. Lets say you customize your UI to blink/make sounds and go freaky as soon as someone enter local. Voila, you have an advantage over everyone else in reacting to the threat of being popped by pirates before you notice they are there. EVE needs to be carefully balanced and give everyone the same experience, simlpy because it is geared towards so much PVP and the hunter/hunted philosophy. Giving one or the other a significant advantage would break this careful balance. That's already in game its called the local channel
Stormaar Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:57:00 - [47] So, and where official position? Looks like CCP ignore things like this... ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
Triath Lon Keepers of Balance Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.31 07:09:00 - [48] Originally by: Stormaar So, and where official position? Looks like CCP ignore things like this... You are in a General Dumbasses forums. You want your ideas read by Developers - present them in this forum. UI customization has been discussed so many times, a lot of us have our eyes bleeding when we see a new topic pop up. ________ Ambassador Extraordinary Plenipotentiary
Stormaar Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.31 07:51:00 - [49] Originally by: Triath Lon Originally by: Stormaar So, and where official position? Looks like CCP ignore things like this... You are in a General Dumbasses forums. You want your ideas read by Developers - present them in this forum. UI customization has been discussed so many times, a lot of us have our eyes bleeding when we see a new topic pop up. Why u write this? Developers didnt read forum u recomended, or read but with ignorance, or read but didnt write. Go, read something usefull, dont waste of time. ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
Igwee	Posted - 2008.01.31 07:51:00 - [50] I have to admit, the UI for EVE... is horrid The basic default UI for World of WarCraft... is horrid My World of Warcraft with UI mods is brilliant! Each class can have it's own UI, scrolling combat text, bars, graphs, alerts... all sorts of things. Not being able to modify my UI for EVE ... Really **** poor, spoils a terrific game. The UI is awful, especially at high resolutions, inability to modify the font properly, the colours, the layout of the UI or even move bars around feels so restrictive compared to World of Warcraft's player created UI's. Everything is far too small and hard to read, and so far i've not been able to get those pop up windows that appear every time my guns fire to be put somewhere else, there's no really easy way to scroll combat logs and there's far too many windows floating around. I DO like the concept of the Overview on the right hand side, but why can't i have it on my left side of the screen? Why can't i change it's appearance? Too many windows, too many tabbed things... The EVE UI is a hopelss mess and poorly designed.. I can handle that.. but not being able to customise it to how i want it to look makes EVE look like that its client software is actually trailing that of World of Warcraft. I know that a lot of people here in EVE like to bash WoW and WoW players, I play BOTH games equally and enjoy them immensely, I signed up to EVE a few months ago and think it has a HUGE potential. Notice to CCP, if you want more MMO players you're going to end up being compared to WoW on many fronts... the UI is one area where your code is seriously lagging the efforts of Blizzard, allow players to customise the UI to how they want it to appear and let the community come up with their own UI solutions :)
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp INVICTUS.	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:03:00 - [51] LOL at all of the whining here--- Making eve more customable isent cheeting AT ALL--- an ui addon is simply something you can add to the loooks of your screen, NOT make new sounds etc when someone enters local... HOWEVER i see a cool thing about addons, like ingame combat analyser, ingame agent holder where u can add stuff to see who gives what etc.. i see MANY cool thing with addons made by players.. the only way we could do this and be sure its 100% allright is simply to let ccp hold all the addons and check em before posted. as in is this cheet etc... the eve client must have an aproval of the addon for the addon to run. maybe this is the idea ? cool idea for all really in some ways... OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
Triath Lon Keepers of Balance Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:10:00 - [52] Edited by: Triath Lon on 31/01/2008 08:11:40 Originally by: Stormaar Why u write this? Developers didnt read forum u recomended, or read but with ignorance, or read but didnt write. Go, read something usefull, dont waste of time. Read developers that forum do. More so, than this forum they read. Threads in this forum flame get filled by. Ideas get buried, however good. I dont wast of time, i r lerned inglish good. Edit: wasn't brokenenglish enough. ________ Ambassador Extraordinary Plenipotentiary
Chronos VIII Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.31 09:54:00 - [53] Addons would be quite cool and helpful as well. Also some diversity is always appreciated.
SonOTassadar Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.31 10:51:00 - [54] Signed. I've been petitioning for a customizable UI since I learned how effective it is in WoW. To that end: those that say "this isn't WoW" - it's very ignorant of you. CUIs are pretty much in every game now... except Eve. Every individual has different needs, and that is what a customizable UI is for. Plus, if you let the community do the work, you have a lot more people figuring out the "best" UI, rather than a small group tasked by the company of the game. Now that we have a new graphics engine, it's time to do away with the ugliness that is our current UI and let the subscriber decide what he or she wants to see on screen. -----
Stormaar Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:01:00 - [55] Interesting what they do at this time. Relation to cummunity just brilliant. Award winning... ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:20:00 - [56] EVE isn't supposed to be easy, it's not supposed to be doing things FOR you. Being able to move/scale windows or icons that's all fine with me. Putting in extra options, alerts or anything else is just not "in the spirit of EVE". If you want stuff done you'll have to do or find it yourself, if you want to be alerted to something you better stay alert. Reckless Corsairs is looking for a few aspiring team PVPers
Stormaar Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:30:00 - [57] Edited by: Stormaar on 31/01/2008 14:31:05 Originally by: Tzar'rim EVE isn't supposed to be easy, it's not supposed to be doing things FOR you. Being able to move/scale windows or icons that's all fine with me. Putting in extra options, alerts or anything else is just not "in the spirit of EVE". If you want stuff done you'll have to do or find it yourself, if you want to be alerted to something you better stay alert. o'rly? I dont like future where didnt exist horizontal scrollbar. All i can do in EVE - move, resize, pin/unpin, somthing like sorting, minimize and some aproximately usless things. Is it enough? - No, not enough. Example: u can ride on old cooper or do this on subaru. Feel the difference. By ur logic i and others MUST NOT want to make EVE experience better, right? And for all - sorry for my english. ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:43:00 - [58] Why does your EVE experience become better when you can use addons? What addons would make you happy while retaining the spirit of EVE, as in putting the responsiblity and effort with the player, not some interface or program/macro. Seriously, if you want addons, can you give an example of an addon that, you feel, would be going too far? Reckless Corsairs is looking for a few aspiring team PVPers
Stormaar Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:50:00 - [59] Edited by: Stormaar on 31/01/2008 14:51:46 Originally by: Tzar'rim Why does your EVE experience become better when you can use addons? What addons would make you happy while retaining the spirit of EVE, as in putting the responsiblity and effort with the player, not some interface or program/macro. Seriously, if you want addons, can you give an example of an addon that, you feel, would be going too far? Spirit of EVE is not the same with - interface of EVE. Interface is just an instrument trough which im communicate with EVE universe. 1. 2. 3. Simple, right? And look on what made ry ry, link on top of this page. ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:55:00 - [60] Originally by: Tzar'rim Seriously, if you want addons, can you give an example of an addon that, you feel, would be going too far? auto-target and repair drones/gangmates would be too much. change ammo type automatically for maximum damage based on target would be too much. automatically deploy, name and fill jetcans would be too much. on the other hand, being able to change "orbit at" distance on the fly with a slider or something, rather than context menus, would be really good. [IMAGE REMOVED]

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