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Stormaar Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.02 10:12:00 - [91] Day 3... still nothing. ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
Stormaar Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.04 08:31:00 - [92] Looks like they still ignore us ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2008.02.04 08:41:00 - [93] My theory is that the UI design lead is a major investor's family member. He's an incompetent drooling boob, but CCP can't fire him for fear of financial backlash. Thusly, they leave the UI alone for fear that said boob will break more than he fixes. Just look at how long it took them to implement a movable overview window. Originally by: Frug Your reputation has been entirely redeemed in my eyes. I now want your babies.
Vabjekf	Posted - 2008.02.04 08:44:00 - [94] While the drone interface is kind of crappy, thats the only problem. UI customization is bad, it changes things around, suddenly people may have advantages over others due to the way their addons change things, thus forcing other people to go get the same addons to remain competitive. When you start having to download third party things for a game there is a problem. Remember that one for WoW where the paladin can push a button and suddenly anyone who needs to be cleansed, is cleansed, automatically? That is a big advantage, and makes people not using it at a disadvantage. And that is wrong. SO i know, how about an eve addon where you push a button and your repair drones automatically seek out and find the person who needs reping, analyzing the dps, move some drones to other targets if one is being taken care of, etc. Or one that automatically targets anyone who enters your overview for you at the push of a button. No selecting. Someone pop up, push a button, targeted. Reduces time of having to click. These are the sorts of things that would fall in like with WoW style addons. The rules where always that it can not be totally automated, but that if you push a button prety much anything they can script is okay. As far as just general interface customization. Moving things around, resizing them, changing colors - all with more controll over currently avalable. Sure, perhaps. But why?
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2008.02.04 08:50:00 - [95] Originally by: Vabjekf While the drone interface is kind of crappy, thats the only problem. UI customization is bad, it changes things around, suddenly people may have advantages over others due to the way their addons change things, thus forcing other people to go get the same addons to remain competitive. When you start having to download third party things for a game there is a problem. Remember that one for WoW where the paladin can push a button and suddenly anyone who needs to be cleansed, is cleansed, automatically? That is a big advantage, and makes people not using it at a disadvantage. And that is wrong. SO i know, how about an eve addon where you push a button and your repair drones automatically seek out and find the person who needs reping, analyzing the dps, move some drones to other targets if one is being taken care of, etc. Or one that automatically targets anyone who enters your overview for you at the push of a button. No selecting. Someone pop up, push a button, targeted. Reduces time of having to click. These are the sorts of things that would fall in like with WoW style addons. The rules where always that it can not be totally automated, but that if you push a button prety much anything they can script is okay. As far as just general interface customization. Moving things around, resizing them, changing colors - all with more controll over currently avalable. Sure, perhaps. But why? My reply, on page 3. Originally by: Frug Your reputation has been entirely redeemed in my eyes. I now want your babies.
Sir Dancealot	Posted - 2008.02.04 09:00:00 - [96] Originally by: Stormaar Next expansion: Pilots of the Stone Age... Dont be so pessimistic, I dont think your childish arguments will make it through. Originally by: Incantare Thread does not deliver. I was expecting a story, funny, surprising or otherwise interesting. Instead I got to read Kehmor's smacking. Awesome.
Vabjekf	Posted - 2008.02.04 09:02:00 - [97] Originally by: Amarria Black My reply, on page 3. some of those things would be nice, for CCP to add - not players.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2008.02.04 09:04:00 - [98] Originally by: Vabjekf Originally by: Amarria Black My reply, on page 3. some of those things would be nice, for CCP to add - not players. Then DO IT. As I said, hire a UI coding team that can actually handle the work load presented, or open source it. Whatever CCP does, do SOMETHING, because the status quo is pathetic. Originally by: Frug Your reputation has been entirely redeemed in my eyes. I now want your babies.
Wanna Kill Caldari Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2008.02.04 09:45:00 - [99] Originally by: Amarria Black I think about an automated e-mail or on-screen pop-up that tells me when my filled sell orders exceed a certain threshold. So all I ask is that they open the UI enough that I and other like-minded people can do it. No haxxx, no exploits, no automation, no information you couldn't already access through existing in-game tools. Just streamlining. Efficiency. All the anti-customizability arguments boil down to: "We've always had square wheels! I'm perfectly happy with my square wheels, why can't you just learn to appreciate square wheels? If you don't like square wheels, GB2WoW NUB!!!11" ¿ Hey I have an idea, how about I counter-argue-myself. Surely, this will get my point across. Also, regarding your last argument, you are wrong. The UI has not always been like this, it has evolved since the launch of the game. As much as people like it is a matter of taste, I personally enjoy the current layout to no ends, but that last argument of yours was so random that it wasn't even funny. ----------
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2008.02.04 09:54:00 - [100] Originally by: Wanna Kill Hey I have an idea, how about I counter-argue-myself. Surely, this will get my point across. There's a fundamental difference between the kind of "automation" wherein the UI displays information (blinky boxes when someone locks you, wallet updating, killmails, etc) and the kind of automation that is implied to argue against UI tool development (press one button to perform several automated tasks, logic-dependent responses, macros, etc.). Originally by: Wanna Kill Also, regarding your last argument, you are wrong. The UI has not always been like this, it has evolved since the launch of the game. As much as people like it is a matter of taste, I personally enjoy the current layout to no ends, but that last argument of yours was so random that it wasn't even funny. The most common argument against UI open sourcing, after OMG MACRO HAXX, is, "If you don't like it, leave." My example fits that mold. Originally by: Frug Your reputation has been entirely redeemed in my eyes. I now want your babies.
Murenas Forsaken Army of Pimps	Posted - 2008.02.04 14:11:00 - [101] Yeah... gimme add-ons and I will: -make a mod to show average value of items in cargo bay (dumbing the game) -make sound when someone neutral or hostile entering local (you probably dream about it so you can leave you ratting raven alone for couple of h) -auto align+stuff, warp out at xx% of structure/armor (one click battles - lot of fun - for you of course) To sum this up : you are not only dumb, you are also lazy. And UI is best I saw in games so far - but I must admit that idea was purely developed by some programmer cause it looks like some software UI and thats why I love it.
Stormaar Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.04 14:31:00 - [102] Originally by: Murenas Yeah... gimme add-ons and I will: -make a mod to show average value of items in cargo bay (dumbing the game) -make sound when someone neutral or hostile entering local (you probably dream about it so you can leave you ratting raven alone for couple of h) -auto align+stuff, warp out at xx% of structure/armor (one click battles - lot of fun - for you of course) To sum this up : you are not only dumb, you are also lazy. And UI is best I saw in games so far - but I must admit that idea was purely developed by some programmer cause it looks like some software UI and thats why I love it. Give me a ingame-bash!!! Blah... )) or may i use my ssh client for access to my eve account... ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
Caldorous Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.04 15:33:00 - [103] We dont need addons at the moment, we need stability, because since trinity i've had several problems with the ui...
Stormaar Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.04 15:34:00 - [104] Originally by: Caldorous We dont need addons at the moment, we need stability, because since trinity i've had several problems with the ui... "We" - mean who? ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
Malicia Skirj	Posted - 2008.02.04 19:24:00 - [105] I think this is a fantastic idea. The first MMO I played ended up having a highly customizable UI because the original sucked. It didn't have any addons, but what it did have was fully moveable, resizable EVERYthing. You could make your own UI files as well. Eve UI is slightly more customizable than when I originally started the game, but it's still bulky and a pain in the ass because it's so hard to resize anything and even with my large monitor size a lot of my screen area is blocked. Kinda stupid to have awesome graphics, then cover it up with a UI. In short, while addons may or may not be a good thing, a major UI update wouldn't hurt anything. I see no disadvantage when everyone has the same access to make the same changes and can set the UI up in a way that's comfortable to them.
Vandal Achilles	Posted - 2008.02.04 19:51:00 - [106] Unbelievable resistance in this thread to something that needs to happen. Congratulations to CCP for adding some bindable shortcuts and for the UI work they did in Trinity - it's not very much, but it seems they are FINALLY heading in the right direction. Now let's work on the excessive, egregious amount of right clicking every player is forced to do to play this game. Keep it up, CCP.
ry ry StateCorp Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:36:00 - [107] Originally by: Vandal Achilles Unbelievable resistance in this thread to something that needs to happen. aye, i'm genuinely suprised that so many people are strongly against a customisable UI. the 'thats what wow would do' and 'its for cheats' arguments are a wee bit silly, but the attitude that the UI is just fine as it is? mind boggling. i like eve. its fun. but sometimes whilst CCP are off fixing the Big Things stuff like GUIs get pushed to the back burner time and time again. the character APIs are brilliant, i think a UI API would be a similarly brilliant idea. Signature removed. Too large and flashing signatures are not really permitted. Navigator
Stormaar Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.05 19:04:00 - [108] Impossible. There still no official... ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
Ricardo Phallus	Posted - 2008.02.05 19:06:00 - [109] Originally by: Stormaar Impossible. There still no official... The devs don't work like that, you can't summon them. You have to be discussing something they give a rats ass about first.
Stormaar Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.05 20:03:00 - [110] But im can summon some trolls... ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
ry ry StateCorp Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.05 23:19:00 - [111] Originally by: Ricardo Phallus Originally by: Stormaar Impossible. There still no official... The devs don't work like that, you can't summon them. You have to be discussing something they give a rats ass about first. you know what? i bet they've already discussed this and decided they don't want to/can't pull developers off other projects to start writing a non-essential feature that won't attract new players in the same way prettier graphics would. that's not the say that isn't the right decision, but it would be nice to hear if this is something CCP with categorically never introduce, or something that may follow in the near/distant future depending on how things go. in the long term, i'd rather have faction warfare than a customisable UI, but i'd imagine a UI API would be considerably less work. That said, the new UI improvements announced are getting there albeit slightly slowly. Signature removed. Too large and flashing signatures are not really permitted. Navigator
Mordred Wolf Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.06 05:22:00 - [112] I think some people have a naive view on what can be done via customizable UI's. CPP can limit what information you have access to. I think the major advantage of customisable UIs is having layouts that are more user-friendly and relaying information in a more useful manner. In WoW for example, there has been a large number of core UI upgrades come from user created interfaces. The availability of customizable UIs also highlights deficiencies in the current default UI and can be a significant influence for positive change. Customizable UIs will cause some issues, like they have for games that use them but overall they have been a massive strong point for the game development and increased user enjoyment. Blizzard have benefited because they have had thousands if not millions of man hours spent on UI development that they have not had to pay for and the depth and quality of many user UIs have been very impressive. CCP just needs to limit any sensitive information from being manipulated by the interface.
Tarron Sarek Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.02.06 05:45:00 - [113] Searching for, downloading and updating 'mandatory' addons is a major PITA. The day EVE requires me to do all this crap just to stay competitive will be the day I'll start looking for a better MMO. ___________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well - Please stop using the word 'nerf' Nothing spells 'incompetence' or 'don't take me serious' like those four letters
Kobushi	Posted - 2008.02.06 07:06:00 - [114] Page 1: this seems like an interesting debate. Page 2: name calling under 25 reply, not a record but way bellow average. page 3: I'm not sure the U.N. could calm that much bad will coming from both camp. I had some interesting take on this and various ideas to suggest and discuss but since it went from a valid debate to a e-peen buffing ****ing contest vendetta, I'll keep my idea for myself and I bet that's what CCP will be doing. I wish luck to both deaf monologues sides and I hope the more sensible persons can find a place to have an intelligent debate about this point of view.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2008.02.06 07:12:00 - [115] Does the current UI need a heavy overhaul? Yes. Should it be up to the players to do it? NO. Also if you look at how it was in the beginning and how it is now, i think there have been some major improvements.
Grave Boy	Posted - 2008.02.06 16:03:00 - [116] Edited by: Grave Boy on 06/02/2008 16:04:40 Dear Developers, do you visit this forum at all? Any official position?
Blutreiter Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.02.06 16:10:00 - [117] Originally by: Drasked Does the current UI need a heavy overhaul? Yes. Should it be up to the players to do it? NO. Also if you look at how it was in the beginning and how it is now, i think there have been some major improvements. /Signed! If you want to do some API work with the in-game browser, it's already possible. Search the forums for "Miningbuddy". Be amazed. WoW style custom scripted UI? How about... hell no? Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sht up* Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
Stormaar Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.06 16:18:00 - [118] Originally by: Blutreiter Originally by: Drasked Does the current UI need a heavy overhaul? Yes. Should it be up to the players to do it? NO. Also if you look at how it was in the beginning and how it is now, i think there have been some major improvements. /Signed! If you want to do some API work with the in-game browser, it's already possible. Search the forums for "Miningbuddy". Be amazed. WoW style custom scripted UI? How about... hell no? is it my first - lol? Another congo mercenary ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons
Blutreiter Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.02.06 16:24:00 - [119] Originally by: Stormaar is it my first - lol? Another congo mercenary What? Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sht up* Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
Stormaar Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.06 16:42:00 - [120] Edited by: Stormaar on 06/02/2008 16:41:54 Originally by: Blutreiter Originally by: Stormaar is it my first - lol? Another congo mercenary What? u about what? usualy im didnt use "lol". Say what again. ----- Customizable UI / internal API for mods/addons

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