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Rakivic Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:14:00 - [1] Edited by: Rakivic on 31/01/2008 13:31:31 Edited by: Rakivic on 31/01/2008 13:18:52 Just wanted to get peoples opinion on tanking and which they prefer (active vs passive) and the pros and cons of each ....me I'm more partial to passive tanking - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Grimpak can I use that to shovel on JoJo's face so that I might shut him up for a while?[/qu
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:18:00 - [2] In addition, i would like to say Armour Compensation SKills Prenerf - Either Unnerf them to effect actives, or delete them altogether. Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Moonliner Around the moon and back	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:22:00 - [3] your thread got jojo'd
Rakivic Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:23:00 - [4] well I happen to agree with him......tho it is of topic
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:31:00 - [5] You really ought to restrict your topic a lot more to get any kind of sensible discussion. Both armor and shield tanking in both PvP and PvE is just too much for a single thread. For shield tanks in PvP it's passive all the way if you ask me (because of the chronic shortage of mid slots). You just can't cram a shield booster and the "needed" support modules like boost amplifier and capacitor booster (to deal with the ensuing cap issues) into your spare mid slots (after hardeners, mwd) and expect the result to be any good. Passively you can always fit a large shield extender into a single spare mid slot to improve your tank. --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
Rakivic Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:32:00 - [6] Originally by: Ogul You really ought to restrict your topic a lot more to get any kind of sensible discussion. Both armor and shield tanking in both PvP and PvE is just too much for a single thread. Agreed thread changed
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:43:00 - [7] If your using capless weapons like missiles or projectiles passive tank is the best, but if your using rails passive tankings not so good because SPRs nuke your cap regen so when you factor in active Hardeners you can easily cap out. Plus sometimes traveling with passive tanks can be a pain if going far as you can run out of cap so warp drive ops is a must.
Haulin'Hauling	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:22:00 - [8] It depend on the ship you want to use. If you expect to run lvl 4 i suggest you go the Drake + passive tank way until you can afford a Raven with xl booster and then a CNR still with active tank. The main difference is the price. If you want to keep a good tank, increasing your dps is more and more expansive. Drake can tank lvl 4 with a T2 fitting but has lame dps. Raven has a good enuf active tank for lvl4 and good dps. CNR has a good active tank and very good dps. If you have a crapy connection you should try to sick with passive tank (or perma active).
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Rakivic Edited by: Rakivic on 31/01/2008 13:31:31 Edited by: Rakivic on 31/01/2008 13:18:52 Just wanted to get peoples opinion on tanking and which they prefer (active vs passive) and the pros and cons of each ....me I'm more partial to passive tanking It depends on the ship. The Drake is probably the last ship in the progression that you will see passive tanked as a rule (A rule I personally violate, but that's my choice) because even after the shield regen nerf of almost a year ago, they can still have peak regen rates sufficient to handle an ungodly amount of punishment. Raven shield regen rates simply can't be driven low enough without spending unholy amounts of ISK on the mods that will do the trick. Even then, its a pale shadow of the rates attainable by the Drake. Personally, I prefer active tanks. Its just my thing. I have the skills to make it work, and I think that enhancing the capacitor regen rate is easier than trying to drive the shield regen rate higher. Plus it benefits other systems, such as tractor and t-beam systems, especially when you work like I do, salvaging in situ and ratting in a Rokh. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:39:00 - [10] Edited by: Andrue on 31/01/2008 14:42:48 Passive is good for a dependable and safe money earner but can be a bit boring (eg;my Nighthawk). Active is more fun but can be a bit stressful and carries risks (eg;my alt's Sleipnir). Both ships can handle any L4 but when my connection last dropped on my Nighthawk I used it as an excuse to put the kettle on. When it dropped on my Sleipnir I almost soiled my underwear and nearly lost the bloody thing -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Rakivic Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2008.01.31 15:38:00 - [11] Originally by: Haulin'Hauling It depend on the ship you want to use. If you expect to run lvl 4 i suggest you go the Drake + passive tank way until you can afford a Raven with xl booster and then a CNR still with active tank. The main difference is the price. If you want to keep a good tank, increasing your dps is more and more expansive. Drake can tank lvl 4 with a T2 fitting but has lame dps. Raven has a good enuf active tank for lvl4 and good dps. CNR has a good active tank and very good dps. If you have a crapy connection you should try to sick with passive tank (or perma active). actualy i have a passive CNR that can tank any lvl4 mission solo and i havent seen it drop below 70% shelds remaing
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.01.31 17:44:00 - [12] I use a hybrid tank in my Drake for running level 4s and I've found that to be the best for staying and DPS. Use 7 heavy launchers with missiles fitted to do max dps against npc type and a tractor in my 8th high. Mids go in order 1=med shield booster II, 2=active hardener II against npc damage type, 3=(either) Tech I -50% damage type active hardener/passive EM resistance amp/invul II, 4=passive resistance amp against npc damage type, 5&6=Large extender II's Lows I have 2 ballistic control system II and 2 power diagnostic system II I have never had to warp out of a Lv 4 mission that I've done yet with that setup and most I've ever dropped to was about 50% shields. Power is never really a problem with my setup and I like the fact that if something bad does happen I can boost my shields if need be. I also have 0 rigs on my Drake and no implants to increase ship systems. It is an extremely slow ship though and would be pummeled in PvP. That is where I have my brother and alt to help me out in those situations.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.01.31 17:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Schalac I use a hybrid tank in my Drake for running level 4s and I've found that to be the best for staying and DPS. Use 7 heavy launchers with missiles fitted to do max dps against npc type and a tractor in my 8th high. Mids go in order 1=med shield booster II, 2=active hardener II against npc damage type, 3=(either) Tech I -50% damage type active hardener/passive EM resistance amp/invul II, 4=passive resistance amp against npc damage type, 5&6=Large extender II's Lows I have 2 ballistic control system II and 2 power diagnostic system II I have never had to warp out of a Lv 4 mission that I've done yet with that setup and most I've ever dropped to was about 50% shields. Power is never really a problem with my setup and I like the fact that if something bad does happen I can boost my shields if need be. I also have 0 rigs on my Drake and no implants to increase ship systems. It is an extremely slow ship though and would be pummeled in PvP. That is where I have my brother and alt to help me out in those situations. 7 HML-II, 3 LSE-II, 3 hardners (whatever fits CPU-wise, or you can use 2 hardeners and a shield recharger II), 2 BCS-II, 2 Beta Reactor SPR Better tank, same damage. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.31 17:52:00 - [14] I think passive tanking is good. Doesn't use as much cap. ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.01.31 18:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Schalac I use a hybrid tank in my Drake for running level 4s and I've found that to be the best for staying and DPS. Use 7 heavy launchers with missiles fitted to do max dps against npc type and a tractor in my 8th high. Mids go in order 1=med shield booster II, 2=active hardener II against npc damage type, 3=(either) Tech I -50% damage type active hardener/passive EM resistance amp/invul II, 4=passive resistance amp against npc damage type, 5&6=Large extender II's Lows I have 2 ballistic control system II and 2 power diagnostic system II I have never had to warp out of a Lv 4 mission that I've done yet with that setup and most I've ever dropped to was about 50% shields. Power is never really a problem with my setup and I like the fact that if something bad does happen I can boost my shields if need be. I also have 0 rigs on my Drake and no implants to increase ship systems. It is an extremely slow ship though and would be pummeled in PvP. That is where I have my brother and alt to help me out in those situations. 7 HML-II, 3 LSE-II, 3 hardners (whatever fits CPU-wise, or you can use 2 hardeners and a shield recharger II), 2 BCS-II, 2 Beta Reactor SPR Better tank, same damage. I like my current setup for running missions. Only equip for passive when running rabbit for jumping into low sec space with a few indy's behind me with full loads of expensive merch.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.01.31 18:07:00 - [16] Your setup has 3 hardeners which are not even all active ones, and you use PDUs instead of SPRs, only 2 LSEs too, so the passive tank part is significantly lower. Even with your booster turned on, you STILL tank less peak DPS as the setup I posted, and have a smaller buffer too. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.31 18:11:00 - [17] If you can keep it cap-stable (or close, like to over an hour worth of charge), go with active for the majority of missioning. Unless you're doing COSMOS missions or complexes or something where the devs cleverly equipped every enemy with an energy neutralizer, which apparently means only Minmatar are allowed to do those missions, in which case use a passive tank. ________________
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.01.31 18:24:00 - [18] Originally by: Akita T Your setup has 3 hardeners which are not even all active ones, and you use PDUs instead of SPRs, only 2 LSEs too, so the passive tank part is significantly lower. Even with your booster turned on, you STILL tank less peak DPS as the setup I posted, and have a smaller buffer too. That's why I called it a hybrid one. A mix between passive and active tanking. With this I get recharges across the board, shield and cap, and higher resists against the damage type I am fitted for. I like that more than passive shield in missions.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.01.31 18:38:00 - [19] You must be misunderstanding something. My posted setup uses hardeners, not resistance amps. That's what I use in missions. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.01.31 18:47:00 - [20] Oh yeah, my eyes saw hardeners but my brain heard amps. With 3 hardeners though you go through cap relatively fast compared to a mix of passive and active, and with the -cap recharge on your ship from the SPR I don't like it in practice.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.01.31 19:33:00 - [21] It's cap-stable at suffifiently high capacitor skills. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.01.31 19:38:00 - [22] Quote: With 3 hardeners though you go through cap relatively fast compared to a mix of passive and active, and with the -cap recharge on your ship from the SPR I don't like it in practice. I run 4 hardeners with the SPR and I don't have any cap problems.

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