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Ulstan	Posted - 2008.02.01 17:10:00 - [31] Quote: They're not even focusing just on lasers being the real issues.. apparently they're thinking of revising some ships. This is excellent news, and a sure sign that Zulupark is actually going about this the right way. Before any general amarr changes are made, the extremely poor ships in the amarr lineup need to be brought up to par. This means the propheyc, apocalypse, maller, omen, etc. I don't see how general amarr changes can even be thought of before this elementary step is taken. How can you correctly evaluate Amarr's power and potential when half their lineup is seriously gimped? Any general amarr tweaks won't change that. You'll still have to change these ships and then they may well wind up overpowered if overly sweeping changes are made. PS ~ CCP if you make me a moderater, I'll happily prowl general forums removing posts that offer insults instead of anything substantive.
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.02.01 17:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Eszencia Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw we got ships with cap less weps...they are called khanid. those ships are great, its the laser ships we need to fix. The largest offense Khanid Ship is the Sacrilige. Damnation has low dps. Until we get bigger offensive orientated Khanid ships capless weapons are but a limited option. Would exchange my alt's remaining testicle for a larger khanid ship. COUGH Like 'Khanidify' the Apoc COUGH --

CCP Prism X C C P	Posted - 2008.02.01 17:19:00 - [33] Edited by: CCP Prism X on 01/02/2008 17:20:14 Originally by: Westly Synpa ******* CHRIST YOU DONT BUFF SHIPS BY NERFING OTHERS. Meh, it's friday and I've got some hours to kill before my mates show up. Please explain where I failed to point out that the currently discussed change was NOT the only change. Please point out where I unequivocally stated that the only buff the Amarr would get would be the nerf of other races (and I sure hope you're not implying you thought I was saying we'd buff Amarr by nerfing their own ships). If you're trying to tell me you object to the proposed changes to EM you epically fail at communication to the point where I doubt you understand their purpose. So I'm just going to go with you misreading what I said or just wanting to flex your caps button. Also, please note that the title "EVE Database Developer" does not translate to "EVE WhateverYou, dearPoster, want!". Now stop your trolling, it forwards a stereotype of both your corp and alliance which I don't like. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer, Relocating your character to a cozy, giant secure container since 2006.

Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.02.01 17:24:00 - [34] Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 01/02/2008 17:20:14 Originally by: Westly Synpa ******* CHRIST YOU DONT BUFF SHIPS BY NERFING OTHERS. Meh, it's friday and I've got some hours to kill before my mates show up. Please explain where I failed to point out that the currently discussed change was NOT the only change. Please point out where I unequivocally stated that the only buff the Amarr would get would be the nerf of other races (and I sure hope you're not implying you thought I was saying we'd buff Amarr by nerfing their own ships). If you're trying to tell me you object to the proposed changes to EM you epically fail at communication to the point where I doubt you understand their purpose. So I'm just going to go with you misreading what I said or just wanting to flex your caps button. Also, please note that the title "EVE Database Developer" does not translate to "EVE WhateverYou, dearPoster, want!". Now stop your trolling, it forwards a stereotype of both your corp and alliance which I don't like. I say you relocate all his worthwhile possesions into a secure container and then relocate that into my hanger.... Welcome to EvE
Kerdrak 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.01 17:25:00 - [35] Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 01/02/2008 17:20:14 Originally by: Westly Synpa ******* CHRIST YOU DONT BUFF SHIPS BY NERFING OTHERS. Meh, it's friday and I've got some hours to kill before my mates show up. Please explain where I failed to point out that the currently discussed change was NOT the only change. Please point out where I unequivocally stated that the only buff the Amarr would get would be the nerf of other races (and I sure hope you're not implying you thought I was saying we'd buff Amarr by nerfing their own ships). If you're trying to tell me you object to the proposed changes to EM you epically fail at communication to the point where I doubt you understand their purpose. So I'm just going to go with you misreading what I said or just wanting to flex your caps button. Also, please note that the title "EVE Database Developer" does not translate to "EVE WhateverYou, dearPoster, want!". Now stop your trolling, it forwards a stereotype of both your corp and alliance which I don't like. /me hands Prism a beer ________________________________________
Alz Shado Ever Flow	Posted - 2008.02.01 17:28:00 - [36] Re: 100% Cap Reduction for Lasers When Lasers cost 10-250 ISK a shot, with 10 sec reload times, that'll be acceptable. Crystals != ammo Crystals = scripts
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.02.01 17:30:00 - [37] Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 01/02/2008 17:20:14 Originally by: Westly Synpa ******* CHRIST YOU DONT BUFF SHIPS BY NERFING OTHERS. Meh, it's friday and I've got some hours to kill before my mates show up. Please explain where I failed to point out that the currently discussed change was NOT the only change. Please point out where I unequivocally stated that the only buff the Amarr would get would be the nerf of other races (and I sure hope you're not implying you thought I was saying we'd buff Amarr by nerfing their own ships). If you're trying to tell me you object to the proposed changes to EM you epically fail at communication to the point where I doubt you understand their purpose. So I'm just going to go with you misreading what I said or just wanting to flex your caps button. Also, please note that the title "EVE Database Developer" does not translate to "EVE WhateverYou, dearPoster, want!". Now stop your trolling, it forwards a stereotype of both your corp and alliance which I don't like. Pwnd. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.02.01 17:43:00 - [38] Nothing you said is justified and it reads more like a wish list. As Prisim X said, its been repeated more times than anyone cares to know. He may like them, but I have a massive aversion to increasing stats when something isn't perceived as being "right". Its like making two mistakes in one. _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.02.01 17:50:00 - [39] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 01/02/2008 17:50:34 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 01/02/2008 14:29:45 Good ideas for cap usage. but CCP should do what they did for minmatar to fix minmatar cap problems. Give all lasers 100% cap reduction, just like they did with projectiles. End of story. This will give amarr finally a capless pvp system, as all other races have capless pvp ships Of course, lasers will be reduced to capless weapon DPS to match. You're in favour of that, right? Of course. Ships like Abaddon would have to have their cap increased to match other capless pvp turret battleships such as mael. DPS would also have to match, so insted of doing an average of 100 dps over a 5 minute period, you do a competitive amount of dps. Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.02.01 17:53:00 - [40] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 01/02/2008 17:55:57 Originally by: Alz Shado Re: 100% Cap Reduction for Lasers When Lasers cost 10-250 ISK a shot, with 10 sec reload times, that'll be acceptable. 100% agree. Curently it takes around 15-20 seconds to reload a 8 tach abaddon, and the average amount people spend on crystals usually works out as an average of 400-1000 isk per shot over the lifetime of the ship. Thanks for agreeing with me. Crystals are the most expensive ammo and decay randomly, so you need to carry a spare set of faction crystals and t2 crystals. I.E 40mil of ammo in your abaddon cargo is typical. Most amarr players want crystals to be like 1 unit per shot like other race's. I hope ccp do this as t2/faction crystals cost a fortune Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.02.01 17:54:00 - [41] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 01/02/2008 17:50:34 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 01/02/2008 14:29:45 Good ideas for cap usage. but CCP should do what they did for minmatar to fix minmatar cap problems. Give all lasers 100% cap reduction, just like they did with projectiles. End of story. This will give amarr finally a capless pvp system, as all other races have capless pvp ships Of course, lasers will be reduced to capless weapon DPS to match. You're in favour of that, right? Of course. Ships like Abaddon would have to have their cap increased to match other capless pvp turret battleships such as mael. DPS would also have to match, so insted of doing an average of 100 dps over a 5 minute period, you do a competitive amount of dps. The Abaddon has 5% more cap than the Maelstrom. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.02.01 17:59:00 - [42] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 01/02/2008 18:04:10 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 01/02/2008 17:50:34 Originally by: Malcanis Of course, lasers will be reduced to capless weapon DPS to match. You're in favour of that, right? Of course. Ships like Abaddon would have to have their cap increased to match other capless pvp turret battleships such as mael. DPS would also have to match, so insted of doing an average of 100 dps over a 5 minute period, you do a competitive amount of dps. The Abaddon has 5% more cap than the Maelstrom. I ment to say lowered. Also, Hyperion will need its apoc sized cap removed by 20% and abaddon reduced by 5% to be on a par with mael and rokh. Recharge times need to be balanced as well. You did know that CCP gave Hyperion 20% more cap than rokh/mael etc? Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:04:00 - [43] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Nothing you said is justified and it reads more like a wish list. As Prisim X said, its been repeated more times than anyone cares to know. He may like them, but I have a massive aversion to increasing stats when something isn't perceived as being "right". Its like making two mistakes in one. At this point of waiting for an amarr "Fix" "Boost" or whatever you call it, Any list of ideas is going to look like a Wish List, because quite honestly some of us are giving up hope of getting a glimpse of anything more than a flashlight never mind the light at the end of the tunnel. Nothing i origionaly posted was unreasonable and nobody can say that it was, because as i mention here Originally by: Blane Xero (Origional Post) Now, Don't get me wrong, i'm not asking for amarr to go from Zero to Hero, so i'm not asking for all of these changes, or even the way i layed them out, i understand some of the numbers would need to be changed, and that some individual ships (Omen, Zealot, etc) would need changes more ship-specific to them as it is. But i'll clarify a little. I Am in no way hoping that every single one of the ideas mentioned in my OP makes it live, because that would entirely tip the balance, defeating the point of Re-Balancing amarr in the first place (as it would probably lead to more nerfs, some of which may go too far) And as to it not being "justified" How can you say that when our lasers can use as much as our tank alone, and that although amarr ships are described as being primitive in the capacitor area of ships, when we simply are not (Except as i mentioned, the apocalypse.) Welcome to EvE
Scott Ryder Infestation. The Cosa Nostra	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:05:00 - [44] Originally by: Alz Shado Re: 100% Cap Reduction for Lasers When Lasers cost 10-250 ISK a shot, with 10 sec reload times, that'll be acceptable. Crystals != ammo Crystals = scripts 10 - 250 isk is much how? I can afford to fire 1.6 million @ shots 250 isk each month without getting poorer. So i guess that is a option. It aint cheap to fly amarr if that is what you are trying to point out. Loose more isk in ships due to sucky fittings and capout then it would cost to use hybrid Faction ammo.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:08:00 - [45] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 01/02/2008 18:04:10 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 01/02/2008 17:50:34 Originally by: Malcanis Of course, lasers will be reduced to capless weapon DPS to match. You're in favour of that, right? Of course. Ships like Abaddon would have to have their cap increased to match other capless pvp turret battleships such as mael. DPS would also have to match, so insted of doing an average of 100 dps over a 5 minute period, you do a competitive amount of dps. The Abaddon has 5% more cap than the Maelstrom. I ment to say lowered. Also, Hyperion will need its apoc sized cap removed by 20% and abaddon reduced by 5% to be on a par with mael and rokh. Recharge times need to be balanced as well. You did know that CCP gave Hyperion 20% more cap than rokh/mael etc? How about just fixing the goddamn race that needs fixed in the way that changes other racial playstyles in the least possable way Okay Welcome to EvE
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:08:00 - [46] Originally by: CCP Prism X Worry not, what I gathered from Zulu when speaking with him yesterday was that this is just the first step. They're not even focusing just on lasers being the real issues.. apparently they're thinking of revising some ships. Thanks for that info. I think if it was made a bit more clearer that this was a multi-step process and that obsolete amarr ships are going to be looked at, then a lot of the community would be more patient. Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:15:00 - [47] Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 01/02/2008 16:04:01 Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Jonny JoJo Then why did CCP change minmatar guns during last minmatar fix to use 0 cap? Surely that makes no sense at all? Why dont CCP change launchers to use cap? From a logical perspective, cap use for weapons is obsolete now. Yes, because no one uses Blasters or Railguns ever. Gallente have plenty of Combat PVP Capless Droneships of all ship sizes. Caldari have missile ships of all sizes. All minmatar ships use 0 cap for combat. Therefore the argument you mention is obsolete as all races apart from amarr have a Capless pvp ship of all sizes Oh god, Jonny is here... where to start. YOUR Arguement is obsolete because there is a difference between Balancing and OverPowering Minmatar weapons (Artillary) have a very long Rate of Fire, or just generally dont do much damage per hit (Autocannons) Where as amarr all do a rather average DPH with good ROF to boot, so making amarr capless would be somewhat too much. Plus, give amarr capless weapons and pretty soon you'll see triple rep aux nano rigged abaddons flying around with a godlike tank that would take 2 megathrons to kill it. Gallente's drones can also be killed, you dont seem to factor in that fitting one smartbomb makes pretty much any realistic amount of drones DPS obsolete after a few blasts... Caldari shield tank, which while being more cap efficient you lose the ability to fit CPR/cap chargers without seriously gimping your tank and settup. So, i'm only saying this once, GTFO my thread Jonny. nope, shield tanking is actually very inneficient compared to armour tanking. actively anyway.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:17:00 - [48] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: CCP Prism X Worry not, what I gathered from Zulu when speaking with him yesterday was that this is just the first step. They're not even focusing just on lasers being the real issues.. apparently they're thinking of revising some ships. Thanks for that info. I think if it was made a bit more clearer that this was a multi-step process and that obsolete amarr ships are going to be looked at, then a lot of the community would be more patient. oh god, you borked my Irony detector... Welcome to EvE
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:18:00 - [49] Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 01/02/2008 17:59:15 Since this latest Dev Blog, everyone has been busy screaming bloody murder and for a few people it has become a witchhunt for Zuluparks Head. its been a witch hunt since they told us he hasnt actually tested proposed changes or existing game features... _____________________ Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:20:00 - [50] Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Did everyone miss the point in the dev blog that the changes to resistances were'nt just an Amarr boost but helped fix problems with all EM dealing weapons. i think you missed the point that amarr deal ONLY EM and thermal damage. Thus why most people will widely regard this change as an "Amarr" buff... _____________________ Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:24:00 - [51] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Hyperion will need its apoc sized cap removed by 20% and abaddon reduced by 5% to be on a par with mael and rokh. Recharge times need to be balanced as well. You did know that CCP gave Hyperion 20% more cap than rokh/mael etc? wow ur kidding right? 20% reduction in cap on the hyp??? gtfo of here... _____________________ Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.

CCP Prism X C C P	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:26:00 - [52] Edited by: CCP Prism X on 01/02/2008 18:25:59 Edited by: CCP Prism X on 01/02/2008 18:25:52 No first prizes for biggest consecutive post count y'know. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer, Relocating your character to a cozy, giant secure container since 2006.

Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:26:00 - [53] Originally by: Seeing EyeDog Originally by: Jonny JoJo Hyperion will need its apoc sized cap removed by 20% and abaddon reduced by 5% to be on a par with mael and rokh. Recharge times need to be balanced as well. You did know that CCP gave Hyperion 20% more cap than rokh/mael etc? wow ur kidding right? 20% reduction in cap on the hyp??? gtfo of here... Yeah, imagine what else he's suggested in the countless other threads he's derailed. Welcome to EvE
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:30:00 - [54] Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 01/02/2008 17:20:14 Originally by: Westly Synpa ******* CHRIST YOU DONT BUFF SHIPS BY NERFING OTHERS. Meh, it's friday and I've got some hours to kill before my mates show up. Please explain where I failed to point out that the currently discussed change was NOT the only change. Please point out where I unequivocally stated that the only buff the Amarr would get would be the nerf of other races (and I sure hope you're not implying you thought I was saying we'd buff Amarr by nerfing their own ships). If you're trying to tell me you object to the proposed changes to EM you epically fail at communication to the point where I doubt you understand their purpose. So I'm just going to go with you misreading what I said or just wanting to flex your caps button. Also, please note that the title "EVE Database Developer" does not translate to "EVE WhateverYou, dearPoster, want!". Now stop your trolling, it forwards a stereotype of both your corp and alliance which I don't like. This post is a thing of beauty. Perhaps common sense is not completely dead on these forums yet.
Westly Synpa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:36:00 - [55] Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 01/02/2008 17:20:14 Originally by: Westly Synpa ***** CHRIST YOU DONT BUFF SHIPS BY NERFING OTHERS. Meh, it's friday and I've got some hours to kill before my mates show up. Please explain where I failed to point out that the currently discussed change was NOT the only change. Please point out where I unequivocally stated that the only buff the Amarr would get would be the nerf of other races (and I sure hope you're not implying you thought I was saying we'd buff Amarr by nerfing their own ships). If you're trying to tell me you object to the proposed changes to EM you epically fail at communication to the point where I doubt you understand their purpose. So I'm just going to go with you misreading what I said or just wanting to flex your caps button. Also, please note that the title "EVE Database Developer" does not translate to "EVE WhateverYou, dearPoster, want!". Now stop your trolling, it forwards a stereotype of both your corp and alliance which I don't like. your right caps lock did need a test. Originally by:** Blane Xero I say you relocate all his worthwhile possesions into a secure container and then relocate that into my hanger.... i dont think rifters will fit into a GSC.
Julius Romanus Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:37:00 - [56] CCP Prism gets a giant amarr thank you cookie. And jonny, EFT doesnt actually use cap. So all your weapons, regardless of what you're babbling about are already capless.
Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:37:00 - [57] Originally by: N1fty COUGH Like 'Khanidify' the Apoc COUGH Precisely! We want our jet-black Khanid Apoc firing Cruise Missles! That will finish out the Khanid ship line and tide us over until the rest of the amarr lineup is adjusted. Also: Amarr absolutely need a battleship with a different role than laser gunboat. Aside from the Khanid Apoc, give the regular one a neut bonus and keep the cap amount bonus. Easy change, and we finally get a BS with a different role than 'inexpensive laser battleship' or 'expensive laser battleship' Every other race has multi-role battleships... Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Public Comm "KhanidPublic"
Gryffindor Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:39:00 - [58] I honestly think Amarr need a nerf: Evidence: Proof P.s im joking :D
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:42:00 - [59] Originally by: Gryffindor I honestly think Amarr need a nerf: Evidence: Proof P.s im joking :D --- planetary interaction idea!
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:45:00 - [60] Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 01/02/2008 18:25:59 Edited by: CCP Prism X on 01/02/2008 18:25:52 No first prizes for biggest consecutive post count y'know. wow, someones taking the liberty to be a complete ** to their customer base _____________________ Originally by:** Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.

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