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Michael Banaird
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:10:00 -
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I have just heard from a source within military intelligence that after the election this year there will be a draft of 18 to 26 year olds for the army and navy. If they do not get enough people with that age range, they will be going to 18 to 30 year olds. Talk to your representative, senator or official being elected about this.
P.S. - I am not against the military, just the draft and how the government is hiding this information until after the election.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 01/02/2008 18:14:43
PROTIP: At this point, the election is almost already decided in favor of Obama, since there are no viable Republican candidates. If what you state happened, there would be riots in the streets. Obama, unlike some of his opponents, would not be enough of a fascist to order the United States put under military rule.
Your statement would only be believable if the Republicans had a ghost of a chance this election.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:14:00 -
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I hear Iran is beautiful in the spring.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 01/02/2008 18:14:43
PROTIP: At this point, the election is almost already decided in favor of Obama, since there are no viable Republican candidates. If what you state happened, there would be riots in the streets. Obama, unlike some of his opponents, would not be enough of a fascist to order the United States put under military rule.
Your statement would only be believable if the Republicans had a ghost of a chance this election.
STOP IT. You're making me want to be less cynical about politics than I usually am.
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Joseph 9
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 01/02/2008 18:14:43
PROTIP: At this point, the election is almost already decided in favor of Obama, since there are no viable Republican candidates. If what you state happened, there would be riots in the streets. Obama, unlike some of his opponents, would not be enough of a fascist to order the United States put under military rule.
Your statement would only be believable if the Republicans had a ghost of a chance this election.
I find you oracular powers both astounding and somewhat unbelievable. How much money have you put your prophesised outcome o' Oracle? And if not why not?
Not that I find an Obama win shocking, I just don't think Clinton is out of the race yet.
Bah, I've just notice the almost you have in there... oh well.
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Battleclash
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:45:00 -
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Really they could kill 2 birds with one stone here.
I keep hearing about overcrowded prisons and jails along with people sitting on death row for years on out. I say give them basic military training and attach a small bomb and tracking device in them.
Each mission their given a certain amount of time to complete at which point the bomb is set. Completely the mission and returning to base allows deactivation of the bomb until the next mission. Completion of the tour may comune your sentence. Escape attempt while on a mission will eventually result in death as the bomb goes off.
Or they could just go collect gangbangers in all the major cities. They come fully equip and like shooting things and since the military is well known for recruiting low intellegence crowds they'll fit right in.
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Arvald
Caldari
Devilish Intentinos
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 01/02/2008 19:05:04
welp good thing for me that being born with only one working (and not too well at that) kidney im not elegeble for any armed service, though i cant join the airforce like prety much every other male in my family 
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Tal Nok
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Tal Nok on 01/02/2008 19:06:13
Few things here.
1) lol
2) lawl
3) rofl
4) roflmfao
Currently we have the military's Stop Loss program which does not allow a soldier to seperate or retire until the end of thier deployment orders. This keeps our Military Strength of numbers up.
Second, the process of even initiated a draft, in which the past 4 years has almost had a unified vote 400 somthing to 2 or 3 against the draft, I highly doubt it will come about.
Next, the draft has to go through congress, which as above I stated, no one really likes. If it doesn't pass there, then it can't get to the presidents desk for the final veto/ok.
Last, those who have just recently seperated are more than likely in the reserves as the minimum term is 8 years. If you do 6 active, you still have 2 in reserves. During this time, they will bring reservists back into Active Duty with a possible 36-48 month deployment which, with Stop Loss, prevents them from seperating until deployment is complete.
If a Draft is ever put back into place, it's because there is a war on American soil, not because some political mojo who's never been in a War wants one.
Every year people get freaked out because a new draft legislation gets introduced...which is nothing new in the past 15 or so years, just some people find out about it for the first time.
Just to clear some things up.
P.S. If your "friend" really is in Mil. Intel (who should be stripped of rank and given a dishonorable discharge for providing information no matter what it is)....he should already know above info, as with anyone who has ever been in the military, or has access to the internet.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
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Originally by: hellsknights
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:03:00 -
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Whats wrong with Mandatory service?
Many European countries do a few years in some form of service and to be honest I think are better for it, chavs and emos get everthing put into perspective and actualy do something.
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Aaron Ravenwood
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:03:00 -
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Actually ... a draft is a form of community service. The presence of a draft indicates the willingness of the individuals of a nation to give something from their own lives to serve their fellow citizens.
People who do not care enough about their fellow citizens to want to give them anything tend to see such view points as fascist - when what it really shows - is how selfish the individuals are who make up the society.
But then - most human beings are selfish.
You have the eternal struggle between the haves and the have not's.
Neither are better human beings than the others.
The have not's want the government to take money from the haves and give it to them.
The haves want the government to leave their money alone.
The have not's are generally considered to be represented by liberals while the have's are represented by the conservatives.
Most people do not vote FOR a candidate - they vote AGAINST his opponent.
The essence of democracy is - that every so often the populace gets sick of the excentricities of whoever happens to be in power and throws the bum's out. After a few years - the populace is sick of the excentricities of the bum's they put in power the last time - and throws those guys out.
Now Michael ... as to their being a draft ... and the government hiding this information ... you're sources are not credible.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
The Delta Source
Dread Sovereign
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Whats wrong with Mandatory service?
Many European countries do a few years in some form of service and to be honest I think are better for it, chavs and emos get everthing put into perspective and actualy do something.
I like the swiss for this very reason. Everyone does service for a couple years, Everyone seems to be armed. They also have one of the lowest crime rates ever. Plus as the age old joke goes they always claim neutral! How can you not love the swiss 
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Gyfrex
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Whats wrong with Mandatory service?
Many European countries do a few years in some form of service and to be honest I think are better for it, chavs and emos get everthing put into perspective and actualy do something.
Qft. Every chav I know who joined my cadet corp is no longer a chav, military style seems to put stuff into perspective for them.
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Tal Nok
Amarr
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Whats wrong with Mandatory service?
Many European countries do a few years in some form of service and to be honest I think are better for it, chavs and emos get everthing put into perspective and actualy do something.
Mandatory service is not what the public wants. Majority of votes rule....unless they are rigged. You would have to lobby mandatory service for years but, with my above post would purely state, no one in congress wants.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
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Originally by: hellsknights
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:18:00 -
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I have been wanting mandatory in Britain for a long time to sort out the chav population.
I am putting my money where my mouth is - I am of the age for conscription so this isn't a case of me just saying it should be done because I no longer need to.
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Jessamine
Umbra Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Whats wrong with Mandatory service?
Many European countries do a few years in some form of service and to be honest I think are better for it, chavs and emos get everthing put into perspective and actualy do something.
Because your countries seem to adhere to their own laws on wars, not go gallivanting across the world because some cowboy wants to 'git sum'
/sigh
Can't complain about the emos getting put in place, never understood what a chav is though...
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Irish Whiskey
Caldari
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Battleclash
I keep hearing about overcrowded prisons and jails along with people sitting on death row for years on out. I say give them basic military training and attach a small bomb and tracking device in them.
that movie rocks!
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Whats wrong with Mandatory service?
Many European countries do a few years in some form of service and to be honest I think are better for it, chavs and emos get everthing put into perspective and actualy do something.
Except the fact that most of Europe's soldiers wouldn't have to go overseas, and quite possibly risk their lives  .
If they do announce a draft, especially this near to the election, expect riots. I know I'll protest my ass off if they do it.
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Joseph 9
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jessamine
/sigh
Can't complain about the emos getting put in place, never understood what a chav is though...
Chavs were originally inhabitants of Chatham in the Southeast if England, but the breed has spread. Essentially they are of working class origin, are pig ignorant, anti-work, pro-figting in the steet and drinking dirt cheap alcohol ner-do-wells. Status amoungst chavs is about the only important thing to them and they have adopted certain items of clothing as thier own, specifically the hoody, up market trainers, and much to the companies horror, Burberry. I used to like Burberry, I have mates who own Burberry products. None of us will wear them anymore.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Joseph 9
Originally by: Jessamine
/sigh
Can't complain about the emos getting put in place, never understood what a chav is though...
Chavs were originally inhabitants of Chatham in the Southeast if England, but the breed has spread. Essentially they are of working class origin, are pig ignorant, anti-work, pro-figting in the steet and drinking dirt cheap alcohol ner-do-wells. Status amoungst chavs is about the only important thing to them and they have adopted certain items of clothing as thier own, specifically the hoody, up market trainers, and much to the companies horror, Burberry. I used to like Burberry, I have mates who own Burberry products. None of us will wear them anymore.
Short answer: Britain's answer to our rednecks  .
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
The Delta Source
Dread Sovereign
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 01/02/2008 19:53:50
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Short answer: Britain's answer to our rednecks .
REDNECKS ARE NOT BAD PEOPLE. How many times do I have to explain this to ya'all. JFC doesn't anybody watch the blue collar tour?
The chav is equal to a ganger.
A redneck is classified as a lack of sophisication. Examples:
Rich people have portfolios. Rednecks have commemorative plates.
You might be a redneck if you mow your lawn and find a car.
If your caught lieing through your Tooth, you might be a redneck.
If your house is on wheels and your 14 vehicles aren't, you might be a redneck.
If your new tv sits on top of your old tv, you might be a redneck.
If you leave your christmas lights up year round, you might be a redneck.
I'm a redneck and I'm damn proud of it. At least learn what it is before bashing it.
Another example
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Kirjava on 01/02/2008 19:48:39
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Originally by: Joseph 9
Originally by: Jessamine
Short answer: Britain's answer to our rednecks .
Essentialy yes.
That would make awesome TV though - putting 100 chavs and 100 rednecks on an island in the middle of nowhere, and film the results.
I hate reality TV as a rule, but if they made this.....
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 01/02/2008 18:14:43
PROTIP: At this point, the election is almost already decided in favor of Obama, since there are no viable Republican candidates. If what you state happened, there would be riots in the streets. Obama, unlike some of his opponents, would not be enough of a fascist to order the United States put under military rule.
Your statement would only be believable if the Republicans had a ghost of a chance this election.
There's an old saying about counting chickens...
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Jessamine
Umbra Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jessamine on 01/02/2008 19:51:22
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
REDNECKS ARE NOT BAD PEOPLE. How many times do I have to explain this to ya'all. JFC doesn't anybody watch the blue collar tour?
Yes I have... hence, he's right... Every time I see 'Larry' I want to bomb a Carharrt store...
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Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Ravenwood
Actually ... a draft is a form of community service. The presence of a draft indicates the willingness of the individuals of a nation to give something from their own lives to serve their fellow citizens.
Nay, volunteer service does that.
Quote:
Now Michael ... as to their being a draft ... and the government hiding this information ... you're sources are not credible.
Agreed. Congresscritters voting to institute a draft is a quick way to get themselves kicked out of congress.
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Joseph 9
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:59:00 -
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I've spent some time in the Us and rednecks and chavs don't 'feel' the same to me tbh. I think Rednecks are a far more variable breed, whilst once you've met one chav you've met them all.. and want to murder them.
Anyway some pictures for you
http://www.xymalf.co.uk/images/chavs/chav1.jpg
http://www.xymalf.co.uk/images/chavs/chav4.gif
The delightful chappie in the second picture is why no one I know will wear Burberry anymore.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Kirjava
Whats wrong with Mandatory service?
Many European countries do a few years in some form of service and to be honest I think are better for it, chavs and emos get everthing put into perspective and actualy do something.
I like the swiss for this very reason. Everyone does service for a couple years, Everyone seems to be armed. They also have one of the lowest crime rates ever. Plus as the age old joke goes they always claim neutral! How can you not love the swiss
Huh but they're NRDS so what's the point
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Arvald
Caldari
Devilish Intentinos
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 01/02/2008 19:53:50
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Short answer: Britain's answer to our rednecks .
REDNECKS ARE NOT BAD PEOPLE. How many times do I have to explain this to ya'all. JFC doesn't anybody watch the blue collar tour?
The chav is equal to a ganger.
A redneck is classified as a lack of sophisication. Examples:
Rich people have portfolios. Rednecks have commemorative plates.
You might be a redneck if you mow your lawn and find a car.
If your caught lieing through your Tooth, you might be a redneck.
If your house is on wheels and your 14 vehicles aren't, you might be a redneck.
If your new tv sits on top of your old tv, you might be a redneck.
If you leave your christmas lights up year round, you might be a redneck.
I'm a redneck and I'm damn proud of it. At least learn what it is before bashing it.
Another example
QFT rednecs are actually prety fun pepole to be around, hell my pa is a redneck and hes the nicesd guy ive ever met.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2008.02.01 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Joseph 9
I've spent some time in the Us and rednecks and chavs don't 'feel' the same to me tbh. I think Rednecks are a far more variable breed, whilst once you've met one chav you've met them all.. and want to murder them.
Anyway some pictures for you
http://www.xymalf.co.uk/images/chavs/chav1.jpg
http://www.xymalf.co.uk/images/chavs/chav4.gif
The delightful chappie in the second picture is why no one I know will wear Burberry anymore.
Exactly the type we used to send out to conquer places with good beaches in the name of the Crown (or in the name of the East India Company... whichever)
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Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
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Posted - 2008.02.01 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jessamine
Edited by: Jessamine on 01/02/2008 19:51:22
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
REDNECKS ARE NOT BAD PEOPLE. How many times do I have to explain this to ya'all. JFC doesn't anybody watch the blue collar tour?
Yes I have... hence, he's right... Every time I see 'Larry' I want to bomb a Carharrt store...
Larry himself is actually a satirical stage character. Just look at some of his older stuff.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.01 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Originally by: Kirjava
Whats wrong with Mandatory service?
Many European countries do a few years in some form of service and to be honest I think are better for it, chavs and emos get everthing put into perspective and actualy do something.
Except the fact that most of Europe's soldiers wouldn't have to go overseas, and quite possibly risk their lives .
If they do announce a draft, especially this near to the election, expect riots. I know I'll protest my ass off if they do it.
I think you might be surprised at how many servicemen some European countries maintain abroad, particularly the UK.
Of course, the point is moot. Military drafts are good for raising large cannon-fodder type armies. Most western armies are very highly trained and very technical. Ill-educated, ignorant louts don't make very good professional soldiers.
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