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Phrixus Zephyr
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 02/02/2008 01:41:06
 Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Lelulie
Your optimal is still 11km base with 5km falloff.
It's not much to add a tracking enhancer and hit at 20km.
My 67% EM 87% Thermal just got melted by a Zealot at 20km range while I tried to MWD towards him in a Deimos and he just kept at range as he was slightly faster, it might not be 500 exactly, but it's close.
OMG you lost to an amarr ship in a gallente ship! Stop the presses!
Yes obviously amarr should always lose vs gallente, thats your idea of balance.
..and your idea of balance is a ship that can do 500dps at 20k, is faster than everything but the Vaga and can tracking most anything that orbits it?
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
..and your idea of balance is a ship that can do 500dps at 20k, is faster than everything but the Vaga and can tracking most anything that orbits it?
What you mean like an ishtar that does 500dps at 20km and doesn't need to care about tracking and is faster than most ships but a vaga? Oh nooooooooeeees overpowered nerf amarr noooowww. Get a grip.
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mama guru
Gallente
Corp 1 Allstars
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:27:00 -
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Finally i might just use an apoc over a megathron for fleetbattles.
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Gordon Red
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:45:00 -
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Edited by: Gordon Red on 02/02/2008 02:47:40
btw if you think you can easily fit an extra 5th HEAVY pulse you are wrong!
You have to ruine your setup/slots. To max out that DPS you need 3 Heat Sinks anyway (a forth one would still make a great difference even with stacking, but then you would have FAR too much invested in the offence power).
4 Heavy Pulse II + Cap Booster + MWD + Repper => no PG left (you have no plate)
with a 5th pulse
=> waste an important low slot for a reactor control (I doubt one is enough)?
=> the repper?
without a plate your hitpoints are BAD but now also no repper...
=> the cap booster?
the heavy pulse taking huge amounts of energy (+ that rate of fire) and now you have one more... + MWD and some rep? I think this won't be any good
You could downgrate to focused pulse and with the 5th turret you could make the same damage as before.
That's what will happen mostly.
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Phrixus Zephyr
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiun
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
..and your idea of balance is a ship that can do 500dps at 20k, is faster than everything but the Vaga and can tracking most anything that orbits it?
What you mean like an ishtar that does 500dps at 20km and doesn't need to care about tracking and is faster than most ships but a vaga? Oh nooooooooeeees overpowered nerf amarr noooowww. Get a grip.
Ishtar will do that DPS from wherever he is. You can pop T2 heavies very easily and if he's going that fast then he can't scoop them. He's also not cap stable unless he fits a booster, he's also got one of the lowest base speeds of any HAC.
You don't seem to understand what balance is. You exchange one bonus for another. Ships are better at one thing, poor at others. Vaga is fast but it can't hit that hard. Ishtar can drop drones but they can be easily popped. Deimos can do dmg but has to survive getting into range to do it.
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Merin Ryskin
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gordon Red
btw if you think you can easily fit an extra 5th HEAVY pulse you are wrong!
... fitting stuff ...
And all of this is completely irrelevant. With such a major change, it's just silly to assume there won't be a matching change in grid/CPU to fit the new slot layout. This goes for all of the changed ships, I would expect to see some changes coming soon.
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Gordon Red
SteelVipers
YouWhat
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Posted - 2008.02.02 03:04:00 -
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As mentioned in the other thread, imho CCP wants that people can change to 5 focused => more damage as with 4 heavy pulse, but know you can fit a plate => more balanced ship (if you want to ruin your ship in getting 5 heavy pulse ok).
I would find it unbalanced, if they give the Zealot more PG.
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Gamesguy
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 02/02/2008 01:41:06
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Lelulie
Your optimal is still 11km base with 5km falloff.
It's not much to add a tracking enhancer and hit at 20km.
My 67% EM 87% Thermal just got melted by a Zealot at 20km range while I tried to MWD towards him in a Deimos and he just kept at range as he was slightly faster, it might not be 500 exactly, but it's close.
OMG you lost to an amarr ship in a gallente ship! Stop the presses!
Yes obviously amarr should always lose vs gallente, thats your idea of balance.
..and your idea of balance is a ship that can do 500dps at 20k, is faster than everything but the Vaga and can tracking most anything that orbits it?
WTB zealot with 500 dps at 20km.
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Wu Jiun on 02/02/2008 04:45:34
Edited by: Wu Jiun on 02/02/2008 04:44:47
lol no it didnt nvm, was already breaking out into sweat.
little more cpu boost for apoc would be damn nice but you can't have everything i guess.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.02 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
WTB zealot with 500 dps at 20km.
The Zealot will with Heavy Beams, but it wont be out-speeding anything or tracking everything.
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Rooster
Amarr
Organized Combat Consortium
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Posted - 2008.02.02 07:18:00 -
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Zealot will still need more powergrid for the 5th turret.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.02 10:47:00 -
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Amarr changes look nice, though I hope they remember to update the equivalent faction ships as well, as those aren't yet updated on Sisi.
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Posted - 2008.02.03 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lelulie
Zealot change is ridiculous, lobbing +25% dps on a ship that can now do 500dps at 20km
no drones, 3 midslots.... hardly seems rediculous
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Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.03 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Andreya
Originally by: Lelulie
Zealot change is ridiculous, lobbing +25% dps on a ship that can now do 500dps at 20km
no drones, 3 midslots.... hardly seems rediculous
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Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.03 19:43:00 -
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Muhaha zeolot gone from second best HAC to Godlike
and deimos going from lol to LOL
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