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Olavane Riftsnake Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:50:00 - [1] Atm on SISI, apoc lose it's 5% more cap per level and get a 7.5% bonus to optimal of large laser. Anyway the 5% more cap per level seems to be built in, 25% more cap! Apoc get also +1000 pgu good but not enough to fit a fullrack of tachyon and mwd without still 2 RCU T2. With amarr BS lvl5, optimal range is 200km with scorch and tracking ench/comp t2 Zealot and Omen got a 5th turret slot, but no increase in cpu and pg. Look good so far, hope to see more
ITTigerClawIK Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:53:00 - [2] FINALY!!!! they did somethign usefull though they need to up the grid and CPU on the Omen at least Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected])
The Djego Minmatar FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP. The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:59:00 - [3] Originally by: Olavane Riftsnake Atm on SISI, apoc lose it's 5% more cap per level and get a 7.5% bonus to optimal of large laser. Anyway the 5% more cap per level seems to be built in, 25% more cap! Apoc get also +1000 pgu good but not enough to fit a fullrack of tachyon and mwd without still 2 RCU T2. With amarr BS lvl5, optimal range is 200km with scorch and tracking ench/comp t2 Zealot and Omen got a 5th turret slot, but no increase in cpu and pg. Look good so far, hope to see more Well one more Turret is good even without the CPU/Powergrid( I would trade in the Drones for the 5. Turret if you get Powergrid/CPU to fit at leats a extra Focused Puls). With 5 Turrets Zealot/Omen finaly become pure dedicated gun ships, good Range, no Drones/other Gadgets -> way to go. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Jonny JoJo 425 II In PVE? Surely hybrid users use Blaster in PvE.
Kala Veijo Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.02.01 19:19:00 - [4] Hmm interesting. Someone should post all the changes from test server tbh.
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.02.01 19:33:00 - [5] Very interesting, at +1k grid that Apoc has much nicer grid, and with the optimal bonus that's a really nice combination. The 5th turret on the two amarr gun-cruisers certainly improve things, even without the additional PG/CPU.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.02.01 19:44:00 - [6] Excellent changes. I was wondering the other day about making the apoc into a sniper ship. Quote: Apoc get also +1000 pgu good but not enough to fit a fullrack of tachyon and mwd without still 2 RCU T2. To be honest, I don't think fitting a full rack of tachyons is supposed to be easy fitting wise.
Lelulie Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.01 20:42:00 - [7] Change EM / Explosive resists back. ------------------------------------
Mika Meisk Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.01 20:59:00 - [8] Edited by: Mika Meisk on 01/02/2008 21:01:46 These changes makes me wet in my pants. Awesome, hopefully they wont get whine nerfed into oblivion before they hit tq :) //Mika
Y3R M4W	Posted - 2008.02.01 21:12:00 - [9] Like the Zealot/Omen changes, but I was always hoping for a siege-apoc Note: YER MAW! is Scottish for Your Mother.
Westly Synpa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.01 21:13:00 - [10] what kind of optimal do you get with BS 5 on bestnamed pulses with navy multifreq and 2 tracking comps with optimal range scripts?

Bekador Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.01 21:21:00 - [11] mhh sorry, but I just logged onto SiSi and none of those "changes" where visible on ship or market info.
Lelulie Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.01 21:25:00 - [12] Zealot change is ridiculous, lobbing +25% dps on a ship that can now do 500dps at 20km ------------------------------------
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.02.01 21:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Bekador mhh sorry, but I just logged onto SiSi and none of those "changes" where visible on ship or market info. Im on SISI right now, and these changes ARE visible. Also, deimos had a low moved to a med. the Apoc change is pure win, tbh. Not over the top, exactly what it needs to have a role and function in that role. omen didnt have the cpu/pg to fit a setup with 4 turrets, so 5th turret hardpoint wont help it until thats improved. Zealot will prolly need some tweaking as well. Originally by: Meridius Dex I could actually fit a Thorax WITH LASERS and get better DPS, better speed, better tank and - wait for it - better cap stability
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.01 21:52:00 - [14] Originally by: Lelulie Zealot change is ridiculous, lobbing +25% dps on a ship that can now do 500dps at 20km No its not. It cant do anything else. Its basically defenseless against frig tackle. This change is well deserved because the Zealot has been lacking dps. This is and now rightfully is a pure mid range dominating gank ship. Perfect example of how amarr gunships should be. Amarr pvp Vids: Inq - I Inq - II
Olavane Riftsnake Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.01 21:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Lelulie Zealot change is ridiculous, lobbing +25% dps on a ship that can now do 500dps at 20km Are we flying the same ship?
CLAM DAWN	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:07:00 - [16] Welp, time to train up for an apoc.
Lelulie Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:13:00 - [17] Originally by: Olavane Riftsnake Originally by: Lelulie Zealot change is ridiculous, lobbing +25% dps on a ship that can now do 500dps at 20km Are we flying the same ship? You can currently get 400 dps out of a Zealot if you fit with 2 Heat Sinks and use Conflag, 5th turret is 100 more dps (25%). ------------------------------------
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn Also, deimos had a low moved to a med. this here, I don't get it. --- planetary interaction idea!
Olavane Riftsnake Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:19:00 - [19] Edited by: Olavane Riftsnake on 01/02/2008 22:25:19 Originally by: Lelulie Originally by: Olavane Riftsnake Originally by: Lelulie Zealot change is ridiculous, lobbing +25% dps on a ship that can now do 500dps at 20km Are we flying the same ship? You can currently get 400 dps out of a Zealot if you fit with 2 Heat Sinks and use Conflag, 5th turret is 100 more dps (25%). True but you said 20 km, no way at that range you can get that dps.
Lelulie Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:26:00 - [20] Your optimal is still 11km base with 5km falloff. It's not much to add a tracking enhancer and hit at 20km. My 67% EM 87% Thermal just got melted by a Zealot at 20km range while I tried to MWD towards him in a Deimos and he just kept at range as he was slightly faster, it might not be 500 exactly, but it's close. ------------------------------------

Telonia Reis	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:26:00 - [21] Did the change on the apoc affect the paladin as well, or are they leaving it the way it is. Just curious.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:29:00 - [22] Originally by: Lelulie Your optimal is still 11km base with 5km falloff. It's not much to add a tracking enhancer and hit at 20km. Then its only 250dps at 20km.
Lelulie Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:31:00 - [23] Edited by: Lelulie on 01/02/2008 22:31:36 Hop in a Deimos and enjoy being kited by a Zealot. Or orbit in a Nano Ishtar and enjoy being tracked perfectly at 20km. ------------------------------------
Takeshi Yamato	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:35:00 - [24] Quote: Did the change on the apoc affect the paladin as well, or are they leaving it the way it is. Just curious. Paladin ship bonuses are unchanged, not sure about the other stats. Anyway, the Zealot is very nice now. The Omen still needs a huge increase in cpu to be competitive, about 40-50. About 20-50 grid would also be nice.
Olavane Riftsnake Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Lelulie Edited by: Lelulie on 01/02/2008 22:31:36 Hop in a Deimos and enjoy being kited by a Zealot. Or orbit in a Nano Ishtar and enjoy being tracked perfectly at 20km. All those things can be done already very well with the old Zealot...Scorch and mwd...unless the ishtar has tracking disruptor it can only run away, deimos is slower and die. You can fit as many tracking enchancer as you want ( waste of slot tbh ). Come on, really already people screaming for a nerf on a ship still in test?
ElweSingollo Starlancers Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Lelulie Edited by: Lelulie on 01/02/2008 22:31:36 Hop in a Deimos and enjoy being kited by a Zealot. Or orbit in a Nano Ishtar and enjoy being tracked perfectly at 20km. Yes in the zealot that yous say can hit at 20k with conflag... please enlighten me as to what setup your using for that? CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature *In Before I Get M* Again*
Terbius	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:46:00 - [27] Also the Apocalypse got a slightly cpu boost from 500 to 505 aswell The cap bonus is now built in as said before: apoc stats on tranq are: 6000 cap at 1154s recharge on sisi now: 7500 cap at 1154s The navy apoc is not changed
Angelic Eviaran	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Lelulie Your optimal is still 11km base with 5km falloff. It's not much to add a tracking enhancer and hit at 20km. My 67% EM 87% Thermal just got melted by a Zealot at 20km range while I tried to MWD towards him in a Deimos and he just kept at range as he was slightly faster, it might not be 500 exactly, but it's close. Maybe dont nano everything and maybe use a long range ship to encounter long range ships? You cant expect to be faster then everything, not being able to be hit by anything and outdamaging everything. Its time for gallente to play normal mode instead of the easy mode they have been used to for a long time.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.02.01 23:28:00 - [29] I'm glad they made some changes to the Apoc, Omen and Zaelot. But I'm a bit sad about losing the special bonus. It was a rather alternative bonus, and I liked it.. as useless as it was. Hope the change is also on the Navy Poc
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.02 01:11:00 - [30] Originally by: Lelulie Your optimal is still 11km base with 5km falloff. It's not much to add a tracking enhancer and hit at 20km. My 67% EM 87% Thermal just got melted by a Zealot at 20km range while I tried to MWD towards him in a Deimos and he just kept at range as he was slightly faster, it might not be 500 exactly, but it's close. OMG you lost to an amarr ship in a gallente ship! Stop the presses! Yes obviously amarr should always lose vs gallente, thats your idea of balance.

Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.02 01:41:00 - [31] Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 02/02/2008 01:41:06 Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Lelulie Your optimal is still 11km base with 5km falloff. It's not much to add a tracking enhancer and hit at 20km. My 67% EM 87% Thermal just got melted by a Zealot at 20km range while I tried to MWD towards him in a Deimos and he just kept at range as he was slightly faster, it might not be 500 exactly, but it's close. OMG you lost to an amarr ship in a gallente ship! Stop the presses! Yes obviously amarr should always lose vs gallente, thats your idea of balance. ..and your idea of balance is a ship that can do 500dps at 20k, is faster than everything but the Vaga and can tracking most anything that orbits it?
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.02.02 02:22:00 - [32] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr ..and your idea of balance is a ship that can do 500dps at 20k, is faster than everything but the Vaga and can tracking most anything that orbits it? What you mean like an ishtar that does 500dps at 20km and doesn't need to care about tracking and is faster than most ships but a vaga? Oh nooooooooeeees overpowered nerf amarr noooowww. Get a grip.
mama guru Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.02 02:27:00 - [33] Finally i might just use an apoc over a megathron for fleetbattles. *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected]) EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2008.02.02 02:45:00 - [34] Edited by: Gordon Red on 02/02/2008 02:47:40 btw if you think you can easily fit an extra 5th HEAVY pulse you are wrong! You have to ruine your setup/slots. To max out that DPS you need 3 Heat Sinks anyway (a forth one would still make a great difference even with stacking, but then you would have FAR too much invested in the offence power). 4 Heavy Pulse II + Cap Booster + MWD + Repper => no PG left (you have no plate) with a 5th pulse => waste an important low slot for a reactor control (I doubt one is enough)? => the repper? without a plate your hitpoints are BAD but now also no repper... => the cap booster? the heavy pulse taking huge amounts of energy (+ that rate of fire) and now you have one more... + MWD and some rep? I think this won't be any good You could downgrate to focused pulse and with the 5th turret you could make the same damage as before. That's what will happen mostly.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.02 02:51:00 - [35] Originally by: Wu Jiun Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr ..and your idea of balance is a ship that can do 500dps at 20k, is faster than everything but the Vaga and can tracking most anything that orbits it? What you mean like an ishtar that does 500dps at 20km and doesn't need to care about tracking and is faster than most ships but a vaga? Oh nooooooooeeees overpowered nerf amarr noooowww. Get a grip. Ishtar will do that DPS from wherever he is. You can pop T2 heavies very easily and if he's going that fast then he can't scoop them. He's also not cap stable unless he fits a booster, he's also got one of the lowest base speeds of any HAC. You don't seem to understand what balance is. You exchange one bonus for another. Ships are better at one thing, poor at others. Vaga is fast but it can't hit that hard. Ishtar can drop drones but they can be easily popped. Deimos can do dmg but has to survive getting into range to do it.
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.02 02:59:00 - [36] Originally by: Gordon Red btw if you think you can easily fit an extra 5th HEAVY pulse you are wrong! ... fitting stuff ... And all of this is completely irrelevant. With such a major change, it's just silly to assume there won't be a matching change in grid/CPU to fit the new slot layout. This goes for all of the changed ships, I would expect to see some changes coming soon.
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2008.02.02 03:04:00 - [37] As mentioned in the other thread, imho CCP wants that people can change to 5 focused => more damage as with 4 heavy pulse, but know you can fit a plate => more balanced ship (if you want to ruin your ship in getting 5 heavy pulse ok). I would find it unbalanced, if they give the Zealot more PG.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.02 04:32:00 - [38] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 02/02/2008 01:41:06 Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Lelulie Your optimal is still 11km base with 5km falloff. It's not much to add a tracking enhancer and hit at 20km. My 67% EM 87% Thermal just got melted by a Zealot at 20km range while I tried to MWD towards him in a Deimos and he just kept at range as he was slightly faster, it might not be 500 exactly, but it's close. OMG you lost to an amarr ship in a gallente ship! Stop the presses! Yes obviously amarr should always lose vs gallente, thats your idea of balance. ..and your idea of balance is a ship that can do 500dps at 20k, is faster than everything but the Vaga and can tracking most anything that orbits it? WTB zealot with 500 dps at 20km.
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.02.02 04:43:00 - [39] Edited by: Wu Jiun on 02/02/2008 04:45:34 Edited by: Wu Jiun on 02/02/2008 04:44:47 lol no it didnt nvm, was already breaking out into sweat. little more cpu boost for apoc would be damn nice but you can't have everything i guess.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.02 05:25:00 - [40] Originally by: Gamesguy WTB zealot with 500 dps at 20km. The Zealot will with Heavy Beams, but it wont be out-speeding anything or tracking everything.

Rooster Amarr Organized Combat Consortium	Posted - 2008.02.02 07:18:00 - [41] Zealot will still need more powergrid for the 5th turret.
Astria Tiphareth Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.02 10:47:00 - [42] Amarr changes look nice, though I hope they remember to update the equivalent faction ships as well, as those aren't yet updated on Sisi. ___ "If you can't debate using logic & fact, and at least recognise other people's point of view, don't waste time posting on forums. It only makes you look like a teenage idiot."
Andreya Direct Intent	Posted - 2008.02.03 17:26:00 - [43] Originally by: Lelulie Zealot change is ridiculous, lobbing +25% dps on a ship that can now do 500dps at 20km no drones, 3 midslots.... hardly seems rediculous _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.03 18:08:00 - [44] Originally by: Andreya Originally by: Lelulie Zealot change is ridiculous, lobbing +25% dps on a ship that can now do 500dps at 20km no drones, 3 midslots.... hardly seems rediculous QFT. -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation
Lt Angus Caldari the united Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.03 19:43:00 - [45] Muhaha zeolot gone from second best HAC to Godlike and deimos going from lol to LOL Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers


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