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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.28 00:47:00 -
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Edited by: Sally on 28/03/2004 01:36:13
Hahahaha.
So I did some intercepting of battleships with a Vigil, Merlin, Griffin, partly with success.
Now I got me a Stiletto for 7 Million ISK and it takes a Tempest (1 seonsor booster) 11 seconds to lock me.
WOW!
By the time the support comes in I am as dead as I would be in a Vigil or any other good frigate.
The interceptors are nothing more than better frigates, they don't deserve the name interceptor and I want to warn everyone who consider wasting the skill time and ISK, they suck big time if you want to intercept battleships with them. If you go for frigate vs. frigate combat they are fine, but you can have the fun for 1/30 of the price.
Also freaking sad that every battleship with a MWD is a much better interceptor than the interceptors themself.
Wtg CCP.
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qrac
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Posted - 2004.03.28 00:52:00 -
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the tempest shot u to death?
i'd say lock times r irrelevant when it comes to interceptors.. u should be more afraid of drones than guns.
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Posted - 2004.03.28 00:59:00 -
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i disagree
bcuz, an interceptor is hard to catch if you use it right
put 3 mwd on a minmatar one and u get 120km/s
okey sure, your cap will die after 1 cycle but hey, who are able to catch you?
no one...
but of course, i get 18km/s in my rifter..
we toasted 1 interceptor from the enemy fleet,..
while they couldnt catch me ,,, they popped up 26km behind me and i thank the gods thats we use teamspeak so i got the warning from my alliance mates.
but i still prefer an interceptor even if the price is high. if you handle it right, ull be okey.
the guy with the interceptor had a big mounth.. but no skills.. oh well..
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Posted - 2004.03.28 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: Shevar on 28/03/2004 01:01:44
Not really, anything can gank you, but hej the stiletto has 4 med slots 3 racials should jam him up i believe? 
Also what idiot goes head on to a battleship in a frigate? They are decent support ships but really, even trying to attack a bs alone in them is funny 
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.28 01:36:00 -
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the tempest shot u to death?
i'd say lock times r irrelevant when it comes to interceptors.. u should be more afraid of drones than guns.
Yeah, they are irrelevant, because they should be much higher and no, they are not irrelevant because interceptors suck.
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.03.28 01:38:00 -
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Also what idiot goes head on to a battleship in a frigate? They are decent support ships but really, even trying to attack a bs alone in them is funny
who said anything about being alone?
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.28 01:39:00 -
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i disagree
bcuz, an interceptor is hard to catch if you use it right
put 3 mwd on a minmatar one and u get 120km/s
okey sure, your cap will die after 1 cycle but hey, who are able to catch you?
no one...
but of course, i get 18km/s in my rifter..
we toasted 1 interceptor from the enemy fleet,..
while they couldnt catch me ,,, they popped up 26km behind me and i thank the gods thats we use teamspeak so i got the warning from my alliance mates.
but i still prefer an interceptor even if the price is high. if you handle it right, ull be okey.
the guy with the interceptor had a big mounth.. but no skills.. oh well..
I can fly 120km/s in a Vigil as well, but once you use 3 MWDs how are you going to intercept someone???
For me it was 1 MWD, 1 webifier, 1 warp jammer, 1 sensor dampener: basic configuration for intercepting a battleship. But I can do that with every good frigate as well, the role bonus of the interceptor is just a bad joke.
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Ankh
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Posted - 2004.03.28 01:40:00 -
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Yup, a stilletto versus a bs is gonna lose, why am I not surprised?
I have a claw and the extra slots and speed makes a it useful little ship for missions and npc spawns in medium security systems. Like you though, I'm scratching my head to work out how its worth the extra isk versus a rifter.
The present batch of interceptors are based on entry level frigates. How many slashers do you see flying around? Maybe a tech 2 interceptor based on the rifter will better live up to expectations.
(I hope so...)
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.03.28 01:40:00 -
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The wrecking shots need to follow normal rules. Aside from that Interceptors are great. You just don't know how to use them proberly.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.03.28 01:50:00 -
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Iterceptors are meant to intercept Battleships... If you had the interceptor equiped properly you wouldn't have been disposed of so fast. So next time your in an Interceptor and see a Tempest, do the smart thing and run.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.03.28 01:55:00 -
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Naturally we are going to have to consider 2 things here.
1: how good are the interceptors as compared to other friggs, after all they are simply hotted upp friggs, noone has claimed differently.
As compared to other friggs the stiletto will make a far better frigg electronic warfare suport ship as compared to the other ones.
How it fares as compared to a cruiser playing that role I am not sure but that is a flawed comparasin as the stiletto and all the other interceptors are friggs.
2: We must naturally here consider where the original post is comming from.
Sally is a pirate and an unplesant one at that, what if she takes to the skies in her new stiletto and notices hey, this thing is awesome, better post somthing about them being crap so noone else uses em on me.
We have seen that kind of posts on everything thus far, agent missions, fail some and you will get better rewards, R&D keep restarting your research and you have a better chance of getting...
Im not saying she is doing this but can we really trust Sally?
No offence Sally, you are good at what you do aparently wich is one of the reasons I have to doubt what you are saying :)
Lastly then, are interceptors worth their price?
I dont know, I do know that building one costs round 2-2.5M if you buy one off the market you will probably have to pay minimum 4 times that, so in short you are paying for a top notch cruiser and getting a souped upp frigg, its clearly a rick players toy, especially considering the skill requirements for it :)
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.28 02:58:00 -
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By the time the support comes in I am as dead as I would be in a Vigil or any other good frigate.
I think thats the start of your problem there Sally.
Out of interest though - how come you hadn't just warped out after scramming the target? You don't need to stay there afterall, especially if the troops are on the ball.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.28 03:02:00 -
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Iterceptors are meant to intercept Battleships... If you had the interceptor equiped properly you wouldn't have been disposed of so fast. So next time your in an Interceptor and see a Tempest, do the smart thing and run.
Uh, it wasn't a Tempest. The locking time I got was from test with a corp mate.
The role bonus is just a joke, that's it. From reading it one could think it takes ages to lock up an interceptor, which isn't true.
And don't tell me frigates or interceptors aren't for intercepting battleships please, that's the only purpose of them for me and I am only a bit upset that a Vigil, Griffin or Merlin can do the job as good as a an interceptor.
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2004.03.28 03:03:00 -
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Iterceptors are meant to intercept Battleships... If you had the interceptor equiped properly you wouldn't have been disposed of so fast. So next time your in an Interceptor and see a Tempest, do the smart thing and run.
Right now id just like to point out the freaking obvious - Interceptors are NOT meant to Intercept Battleships, they are meant to intercept other frigates and industrials. Killing battleships is what bombers, and to a lesser extent Escorts are for.
Anyone who thinks they can take on battleships easily in their lonely interceptor deserves to get smoked.
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2004.03.28 03:05:00 -
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And don't tell me frigates or interceptors aren't for intercepting battleships please, that's the only purpose of them for me and I am only a bit upset that a Vigil, Griffin or Merlin can do the job as good as a an interceptor.
If you want to use them for something that they arent designed for we wont stop you, but it doesnt give you the right to ***** about them not being as good in the role they arent designed for as you want them to be
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.28 03:07:00 -
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By the time the support comes in I am as dead as I would be in a Vigil or any other good frigate.
I think thats the start of your problem there Sally.
Out of interest though - how come you hadn't just warped out after scramming the target? You don't need to stay there afterall, especially if the troops are on the ball.
Huh? What's the meaning for scramming please? (Sorry not native english speaker and my dictionary doesn't know the word.)
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.28 03:09:00 -
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Sorry Sally I keep forgetting that... my apologies.
Warp Scrambling.. can you not just scramble the target and warp-out, the effect stays on for the duration of the cycle even if you are turning to warp out?
i.e. warp in, scram em, warp out - target stays scrambled for x seconds at whichpoint your own heavy ships should be there.
As you say though - possible to do that in a normal frigate anyway, just the window for getting away yourself is lower as they can lock you faster. No?
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.28 03:10:00 -
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Iterceptors are meant to intercept Battleships... If you had the interceptor equiped properly you wouldn't have been disposed of so fast. So next time your in an Interceptor and see a Tempest, do the smart thing and run.
Right now id just like to point out the freaking obvious - Interceptors are NOT meant to Intercept Battleships, they are meant to intercept other frigates and industrials. Killing battleships is what bombers, and to a lesser extent Escorts are for.
Anyone who thinks they can take on battleships easily in their lonely interceptor deserves to get smoked.
LOL!
What good is the role bonus then please?
The 10% each level is only relevant for huge locking times not for the locking times inbetween a same class.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.28 03:15:00 -
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Sorry Sally I keep forgetting that... my apologies.
Warp Scrambling.. can you not just scramble the target and warp-out, the effect stays on for the duration of the cycle even if you are turning to warp out?
i.e. warp in, scram em, warp out - target stays scrambled for x seconds at whichpoint your own heavy ships should be there.
As you say though - possible to do that in a normal frigate anyway, just the window for getting away yourself is lower as they can lock you faster. No?
Yeah, I understand now, thanks for the explaination, same goes for MWDing away and coming back.
To be honest I don't like this game mechanic and I am trying to avoid it at its best, I always try to stay until someone else has new warp warp jam and webify on, then I try to get out.
I think it is a flaw in the game mechanics. A target jammer e.g. can unlock someone but he still keeps being warp jammed, that doesn't make any sense to me, that's why I am not using it.
The cycle should be interruptable IMHO.
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Carmen Priano
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Posted - 2004.03.28 03:18:00 -
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Hey Sally; what level of interceptor skill did you have when testing? Because that -10% is per level of interceptor skill, after all, and y'could perhaps increase the locking time further with higher skill.
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2004.03.28 03:18:00 -
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Iterceptors are meant to intercept Battleships... If you had the interceptor equiped properly you wouldn't have been disposed of so fast. So next time your in an Interceptor and see a Tempest, do the smart thing and run.
Right now id just like to point out the freaking obvious - Interceptors are NOT meant to Intercept Battleships, they are meant to intercept other frigates and industrials. Killing battleships is what bombers, and to a lesser extent Escorts are for.
Anyone who thinks they can take on battleships easily in their lonely interceptor deserves to get smoked.
LOL!
What good is the role bonus then please?
The 10% each level is only relevant for huge locking times not for the locking times inbetween a same class.
To slow down the amount of time it takes for a ship to lock you, any ship... that doesnt mean you need to go out and fight the largest ship you can find on your own because the role bonus is most effective against the largest ships.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.28 03:19:00 -
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No offence Sally, you are good at what you do aparently wich is one of the reasons I have to doubt what you are saying :)
Sssh, you revealed my original intention of the post, my panties are down now, I am feeling so naked  .
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.03.28 03:20:00 -
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Edited by: Sally on 28/03/2004 01:36:13
Hahahaha.
So I did some intercepting of battleships with a Vigil, Merlin, Griffin, partly with success.
Now I got me a Stiletto for 7 Million ISK and it takes a Tempest (1 seonsor booster) 11 seconds to lock me.
WOW!
By the time the support comes in I am as dead as I would be in a Vigil or any other good frigate.
The interceptors are nothing more than better frigates, they don't deserve the name interceptor and I want to warn everyone who consider wasting the skill time and ISK, they suck big time if you want to intercept battleships with them. If you go for frigate vs. frigate combat they are fine, but you can have the fun for 1/30 of the price.
Also freaking sad that every battleship with a MWD is a much better interceptor than the interceptors themself.
Wtg CCP.
You didnt used the interceptor properly:
You are a frigate killer, you take out the ships of your enemy.
Currently im in my seconds interceptor, in my first interceptor i took out 13 ships:
2 Bestowers
1 bb
1 raptor
1 executioner
1 kestrel
1 moa
1 rifter
1 punisher
3 noobships and a pod that was used as a scout and for the enemy that i count therefor. (i didnt shot the ship that held the pod it was there for 4 days).
So what it basicly comes down too is that your there to take out there support, cut off their supply lines of lone frigates/cruisers etc. Also its great to take out a great part of industrial trafic.
Im now in my second interceptor due to the fact that the guy in a rifter was better and smarter in that fight, he set the score back to 1-1. Why wasn't i popped by a battleship? Because with all the long range battles, that aquire 2x sensor boosters you dont stand a chance.
Sure you can use an interceptor the way evol does or m0o... but thats what you better can use frigates for... and then use the interceptor to take those frigates out, intercept them so your own crew goes home safe.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.28 03:21:00 -
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To slow down the amount of time it takes for a ship to lock you, any ship... that doesnt mean you need to go out and fight the largest ship you can find on your own because the role bonus is most effective against the largest ships.
Yeah, overrated against battleships. As I said in my original post in bold.
Beside that, they rule, I microsmartbombed an Ibis and Shuttle myself today . Including pods  .
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.28 03:25:00 -
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Hey Sally; what level of interceptor skill did you have when testing? Because that -10% is per level of interceptor skill, after all, and y'could perhaps increase the locking time further with higher skill.
I will do that for sure. I had 2, going to 5.
Regardless of the dudes moaning here, there is a way to render a sensor strength 14 battleship with drones and missiles completly useless with one frigate and when some TL2 ECM is out I am going to give the Stiletto for battleship intercepting a new try, meanwhile I stick with them for low profile target ganking.
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Posted - 2004.03.28 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Daxit on 28/03/2004 05:37:04
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I do know that building one costs round 2-2.5M
Fester, you either:
1) Found an interceptor that is amazingly cheaper than most others to build,
2) Managed to get a bpo for an interceptor researched to a high ME already,
3) Have found a large supply of dirt cheap t2 components, or
4) Don't actually know jack about the building cost of an interceptor
The cost of building an interceptor is high because the stupid components are overpriced on most markets. I try to buy our needed components at no more than 20k isk MAX if at all possible. This is why several groups manufacturing interceptors offer BYOC + isk deals that can actually be a bit cheaper for the buyer if they can get cheaper components. It takes one of our members several hours a week to locate and purchase enough components cheap enough to keep the price at a reasonable level.
If you still want to try and claim that interceptors cost 2.5m to make, please, post the screenshots of the bpo you're basing this nonsense off of and then explain where the heck you're finding dirt cheap components in large enough quantities to drop the production price to 2.5mil. I'd love a 4mil profit margin... but that's way more than our actual profit margin. FYI, we have the Crusader bpo.
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Posted - 2004.03.28 06:03:00 -
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You attacked a 100 mil ship, alone, with a 7 mil ship, and youre surprised you lost?
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.28 06:12:00 -
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You attacked a 100 mil ship, alone, with a 7 mil ship, and youre surprised you lost?
Not going to argue with you. You are teh win!
Or...
I'd like to know where I stated that I attacked someone alone?
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.03.28 07:37:00 -
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In the proper hands an interceptor is the best ship for its role. I have been converted. If ppl can figure out how to use them, too bad. As for the price, its a small price to pay.
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Neil Crow
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Posted - 2004.03.28 08:04:00 -
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Fleet warps to battleship.
Battleship warps to a planet 20au away.
Interceptor warps to the same planet.
Interceptor gets where way before the battleship.
Battleship = intercepted and will now *most* likely get warp scrambled and killed when the rest of the gang warps in.
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Posted - 2004.03.28 08:25:00 -
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Edited by: Chaz Pounder on 28/03/2004 08:29:23
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Edited by: Sally on 28/03/2004 01:36:13
Hahahaha.
So I did some intercepting of battleships with a Vigil, Merlin, Griffin, partly with success.
Now I got me a Stiletto for 7 Million ISK and it takes a Tempest (1 seonsor booster) 11 seconds to lock me.
WOW!
By the time the support comes in I am as dead as I would be in a Vigil or any other good frigate.
The interceptors are nothing more than better frigates, they don't deserve the name interceptor and I want to warn everyone who consider wasting the skill time and ISK, they suck big time if you want to intercept battleships with them. If you go for frigate vs. frigate combat they are fine, but you can have the fun for 1/30 of the price.
Also freaking sad that every battleship with a MWD is a much better interceptor than the interceptors themself.
Wtg CCP.
AGREEED ¢!!"R! F*S I waited like 37+ days for my nathere main cude fly a interseptor when i finally got it I gota say it su*k.. I honest thing a Rifter is a better frigitt ... BAH .. yeah one good thing is pods dont get away when theres a elit frigitt close :)
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Posted - 2004.03.28 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: Masi on 28/03/2004 10:25:05
1 1400, 2 Low Trackers. Perfect Hit of 948.42 on a Intercepter. Cost me 50 isk to fire that shot, cost him 7mil
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Posted - 2004.03.28 10:26:00 -
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The problem with people flying Interceptors is this: they think they are meant for fighting.
Intereceptors are meant to be used to catch and try to hold down the prey, in concert with other Interceptors, long-enough for the big-guns to arrive.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.28 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: Sally on 28/03/2004 10:37:37
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Fleet warps to battleship.
Battleship warps to a planet 20au away.
Interceptor warps to the same planet.
Interceptor gets where way before the battleship.
Battleship = intercepted and will now *most* likely get warp scrambled and killed when the rest of the gang warps in.
Highly theoretical, practical experience:
1. Battleship pilot simply quits the game and CCP warps him to a safe spot.
2. Battleship pilot warps to a safe spot. Go to 1.
3. Battleship pilot warps to a moon of a planet and the interceptor pilot just to the planet. Go to 1.
4. Battleship pilot warps to a planet and the interceptor pilot too, but one at 15 km and the other at 60 km. Go to 1.
5. The interceptor pilot actually intercepts the battleship.
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Posted - 2004.03.28 11:10:00 -
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Highly theoretical, practical experience:
1. Battleship pilot simply quits the game and CCP warps him to a safe spot.
2. Battleship pilot warps to a safe spot. Go to 1.
3. Battleship pilot warps to a moon of a planet and the interceptor pilot just to the planet. Go to 1.
4. Battleship pilot warps to a planet and the interceptor pilot too, but one at 15 km and the other at 60 km. Go to 1.
5. The interceptor pilot actually intercepts the battleship.
Some thoughts:
1. Battleships are slow to align. Get up there, scramble his ass, and then he can log off all he wants, his ship is not going nowhere (remember that the logoff-warp is subject to normal warping mechanics).
2. True.
3. The interceptor(s) following him will arrive before him, lock him quickly when he arrives (with several interceptors you'd be able to follow in the warp with different warpin-ranges, covering the sorry BS completely), then see 1.
4. True, if there's only one interceptor, that can happen. You win some, you loose some. If you want to win every time at a game, play solitaire.
5. ...and everyone can pop the drinks generally play around gaily.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.28 11:13:00 -
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11 days 6 hours for Evasive Maneuvring Level 5, 12 days 4hrs for Frigate Level 5.
All that just to fly a slightly quicker/slightly harder to target frigate?
I could get large hybrid level 5 in that time.
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Posted - 2004.03.28 11:22:00 -
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I think the interceptors work best with peeps who have fighting experience.You have to know what to do in a battle and how to do it.I have seen peeps in them make a bs or 2 run ya have to know how to work it.LoL The same thing a few of yer gf's might say....
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Joe
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Posted - 2004.03.28 11:41:00 -
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Intercepting means Warpscrambling as far as i'm concerned, You Shouldn't Expect to kill anything but the smallest Cruiser in a Frigate.
If You use The intercepter with corpmates you should have a great time hunting. eg ~
1. Warp in, Orbit, Warpscramble.
2. Gangmates use 'Warp to gangmate' function
3. You warp away before your locked.
As far as the Drones Vs. Intercepters, Frigate weapons are perfect for destroying them, just use ammo thats at the drones orbiting range. You can even use an Auto-targetter that will make you lock them instantly when they shoot you, 2 volleys later, no more drone.
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Posted - 2004.03.28 13:16:00 -
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I think this has been mentioned before but...
The issue here isn't whether Interceptors are good or not, they're exceptionally good at what they're intended for, they're obviously crap against a BattleShip. WTF are you doing fighting a BS in a frigate you crazy crazy lady?!?! Seriously, they're frigates, they're s****y, **** hot fast, massively fast locking frigates, but they're still frigates.
Thats the bottom line, irrespective of cost, they're designed for intercepting frigates, and possibly cruisers, you go up against a BS, your going to get burnt.
The only reason why you use a normal frigate against a BS is because they're cheap, its not because they're good. Frigates are not good against BSs, certainly not unless they have numbers and the BS doesn't have drones. Normal frigates are so cheap though that it doesn't matter that they get blown up all the time. Interceptors aren't cheap, but this doesn't mean they're rubbish, it just means you have to use them carefully, for their intended purpose, not as cheap cannon fodder.
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Joe
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Posted - 2004.03.28 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Joe on 28/03/2004 14:38:44
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I could get large hybrid level 5 in that time
You could almost train up Itty 5 to 
Edit* you wouldn't believe what i spelt wrong...
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Lusiphur
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Posted - 2004.03.28 14:48:00 -
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God, some people need to go back to school for readin comprehension
She was trying to intercept (you know, warp scramble etc) the BS so her firends could kill it. SHE DIDNT FIGHT THE BS AND EXPECT TO WIN.
TBH, an interceptor should have a good enough chance to survive against a BS long enough to do its job. That is all she is saying. ie it should be hard to target.
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Lallante
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Posted - 2004.03.28 15:36:00 -
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Awesome pilots can do incredible things with Intys. Ive seen 2 of them survive a 15vs15 fleet battle that lasted 20mins, having scrambled 2 BSs.
If your a crap pilot then its your problem. And try a tracking destabalizer instead of the sensor booster. Or use 2 MWDs.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.28 16:07:00 -
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Awesome pilots can do incredible things with Intys. Ive seen 2 of them survive a 15vs15 fleet battle that lasted 20mins, having scrambled 2 BSs.
If your a crap pilot then its your problem. And try a tracking destabalizer instead of the sensor booster. Or use 2 MWDs.
Did you eventually kill Loctar's Crow?
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Posted - 2004.03.28 16:17:00 -
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Interceptors are frigates, that's why they die like frigates. There is no real advantage with them, it's just that the pilot uses an interceptor more carefully, that's why they usually don't die so fast.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.03.28 16:18:00 -
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interceptors look kewl >.>
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Richard Gee
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Posted - 2004.03.28 16:25:00 -
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Um... just a reference question here. What is the deffinition of an interceptor? I know currently intercepters (as in real life) an intercepter is designed to take on other fighters and "intercept" fighters out to get your bombers. To me, if you carry that over to our terms, an interceptor should be intercepting other frigates and the like. Sure it should be able to do standard frigate roles (like scrambling BS) but I don't see why it should be better at that role than another frigate. IF interceptors are what I think they are. Is there an "official" deffinition?
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.03.28 17:27:00 -
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We use them to detain people untill battleships and cruisers can warp scramble and statis webify. You can barely engage a pod with them because their fire power is negligable.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Anede
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Posted - 2004.03.28 18:01:00 -
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Ive seen 2 of them survive a 15vs15 fleet battle that lasted 20mins, having scrambled 2 BSs.
Nighthawk and I survived the latest fleet battles in Fade in our crows, one of which lasted 45 minutes and had 80 people in.
The only problem interceptors (and all frigates) have with battleships are wrecking shots. Don't me wrong, lucky hits should definatly be in the game but blasters with a 3km optimal range hitting a frigate 150km away doing 3500m/sec flying at a tangent for a wrecking shot is just silly. They need to obey the same calculation as the rest of the shots.
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Brunis
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Posted - 2004.03.28 20:46:00 -
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You attacked a 100 mil ship, alone, with a 7 mil ship, and youre surprised you lost?
Why do people say that?
A tank is also expensive and can easely kill a soldier,
but give that soldier a cheap and light bazoka and the tank is dead (if the soldier can find out how to use the bazoka )
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Nyrram
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Posted - 2004.03.29 07:39:00 -
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Someone mentioned this earlier, but the discussion seems to have lost it somewhere..
The current batch of interceptors are based on the LOWEST fighting-class ships.. so comparing them to elite frigates is not the way to go.. comparing a Claw to a Rifter is irrelevant.. you should ask yourself how much better the Claw is than the Slasher it's based on, and salivate at how good the Rifter-based intercepter might be, assuming they ever make it.
As for targeting times, Sally.. how many fights have you been in where the time it took you to target your enemy made all the difference? If you can get him targeted and jammed before he gets you targeted and jammed..
And no, you wouldn't go solo against a bship in any frigate and expect to pop it.. you need backup for that. But the interceptor is the best frigate for the job of throwing the net on your target..
It's alot more expensive than any other frig, and so maybe it's not worth the extra cash for a few seconds targeting time, some speed, and a mid slot, but it still IS better as an ECM than any of the current frigs, and if they release more of them, they should only get better..
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.03.29 11:09:00 -
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I do know that building one costs round 2-2.5M
Fester, you either:
1) Found an interceptor that is amazingly cheaper than most others to build,
2) Managed to get a bpo for an interceptor researched to a high ME already,
3) Have found a large supply of dirt cheap t2 components, or
4) Don't actually know jack about the building cost of an interceptor
Well lets see,
1: Stiletto, I dont know if its cheeper or more expensive than other interceptors but thats the one I have the build costs for.
2: Yes its a BPO but as far as I know the ME wont affect tech 2 component required thus increasing ME will lower the cost somwhere in the vicinity of 20k
3: aparently this is the one i have managed, I have however calculated the value of the build price using a component cost of 10k each.
4: you are right here, I still have 3 days till I can actually build the damn things.
Btw, if anyone is interested in trading a BPC for one of the other interceptor BPC I am very interested.
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Nepereta
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Posted - 2004.03.29 12:33:00 -
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Do interceptors make good executive shuttles?
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Lallante
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Posted - 2004.03.29 13:09:00 -
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"As for targeting times, Sally.. how many fights have you been in where the time it took you to target your enemy made all the difference"
Um, literally 95% of fights. Especially if your a tackler or a jammer.
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Adliger Krieger
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Posted - 2004.03.29 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Adliger Krieger on 29/03/2004 13:35:40
Edited by: Adliger Krieger on 29/03/2004 13:29:23
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And don't tell me frigates or interceptors aren't for intercepting battleships please, that's the only purpose of them for me and I am only a bit upset that a Vigil, Griffin or Merlin can do the job as good as a an interceptor.
NTRabbit in his limited wisdom:
If you want to use them for something that they arent designed for we wont stop you, but it doesnt give you the right to ***** about them not being as good in the role they arent designed for as you want them to be
You are kidding right? Of course they are supposed to hold BS's, and any other ship they want. The already low Scan resolution and slow tracking speed of the BS's guns is what makes the Interceptors more effective vs Battleship that any other class. If I was in an Interceptor I would be more afraid of a Kestral with 4 launchers than a BS. That is because, like Sally said, they are still not much of an improvement over standard Frigs.
Can you show me where it says Interceptors should not attempt to hold a Battleship?
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Valeria
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Posted - 2004.03.29 13:48:00 -
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Just lost mine to a wrecking shot. Two battleships shooting me for ages without a scratch and then boom, all of a sudden their magical 1400mm howitzer manages to track me and instantly vaporize my 1200 hitpoint ship.
But supposedly they are nerfing wrecking hits. I know I won't be flying an Interceptor again until they do.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.29 13:49:00 -
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Patch Review is full of Minmatar's who think they've already been nerfed.
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Woetra
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Posted - 2004.03.29 13:58:00 -
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Elite frigates rock tbh.
I can drop the shields on a tanked battleship, I can web and scramble 95% of ships before they warp out, from a starting point of 40km away. I can outrun missiles, I can smash drones.
People are willing to pay so much for a slightly better ship because it does make a difference.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.29 14:05:00 -
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Elite frigates rock tbh.
I can drop the shields on a tanked battleship, I can web and scramble 95% of ships before they warp out, from a starting point of 40km away. I can outrun missiles, I can smash drones.
People are willing to pay so much for a slightly better ship because it does make a difference.
I'd like you to show me how you drop the shields of my tanked ship in a frigate. ROFL.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.03.29 14:54:00 -
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You can barely engage a pod with them because their fire power is negligable.
You have obviously never flown a Taranis.
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Kirsten
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Posted - 2004.03.29 15:37:00 -
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I can drop the shields on a tanked battleship
and todays forum clown is
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Woetra
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Posted - 2004.03.29 23:33:00 -
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You can barely engage a pod with them because their fire power is negligable.
You have obviously never flown a Taranis.
Yup, good guess 
I'm now on my 3rd
Both deaths were due to my own wrecklessness and I killed the intended targets so the loss was not in vain.
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Lysender
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Posted - 2004.03.30 00:55:00 -
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Frigates suck anyways. Why would you want to waste 7 million on one anyways?
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.03.30 07:19:00 -
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You can barely engage a pod with them because their fire power is negligable.
You have obviously never flown a Taranis.
Yup, good guess
I'm now on my 3rd
Both deaths were due to my own wrecklessness and I killed the intended targets so the loss was not in vain.
Good guess?!?!  You insult me Woetra!
I'm now in my second. My first baby got fried by 3 Megathrons.
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Woetra
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Posted - 2004.03.30 07:46:00 -
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Mine got splatted by 2 caracals.
I got one of them to the point where his skills were holding it together then noticed that the 2nd one had a sensor booster and that bright glowing blob 3mm from my ship was no signal flare
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Gripen
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Posted - 2004.03.30 22:26:00 -
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The already low Scan resolution and slow tracking speed of the BS's guns is what makes
Interceptors are counter-frigate ships. Take a look at Caldari bombers with 5 and 6 missile launcher slots. When they arrive fleet battles should look like this: battleships fight each other, bombers try to kill battleships and interceptors try to intercept bombers. Interceptor evasive abilities like their speed and low signature are not to give them chances to fight BS, but to stop BS's to fire at them. In a such battle battleships won't waste their time locking and firing small frigates flying around, but if there is no other targets except few interceptors their death is just a matter of time.
Take a look at Vigil, Griffin, Blackbird or any other EW-ship stats. Their signature radiuses are much bigger than other ships because of electronic equipment they carry and EM radiation from it. In spite of intys are scarmbling BS's well, I think they wasn't supposed to carry EW systems at all. Perhaps we will see a patch soon, where fitting scramblers, ECM and other EW devices will increase signature of the ship dynamicly.
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EvilDoomer
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Posted - 2004.03.30 23:11:00 -
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I would never pay 11mil for a FRIG
interceptor or whatever ! no way.
My rifter will get me to speeds of 20k m/s + and my lock time is under 1 sec.
Why would I need a interceptor. And I have a rifter bpo.
So for me to train 2 months to fly a Frig. NA
Pay more than 1mil for a frig Forget it. Not me.
Supply or demand I dont care. Ripe off.
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EvilDoomer
Chicago Mobsters
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EvilDoomer
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Posted - 2004.03.30 23:14:00 -
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And you can ask Skillz, he locked my Rifter with his buddies and webbed me and I still made it though the gate without any damage, and they did hit me 3 times.
Oh Skillz nice Malediction and you did lock me fast.
BUT that tempest cannot hit hard when your fast.
But I give you a nice try.
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EvilDoomer
Chicago Mobsters
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Thyro
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Posted - 2004.03.31 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Thyro on 31/03/2004 11:37:01
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Iterceptors are meant to intercept Battleships... If you had the interceptor equiped properly you wouldn't have been disposed of so fast. So next time your in an Interceptor and see a Tempest, do the smart thing and run.
if interceptors are meant to intercept battleships then my shuttle is meant to intercept frigates 
Why u people lose time saying things like that Interceptors aren't more than better frigates, and as better frigate... their are good to intercept frigates... now... why you all would like to intercept a BS?
Makes no sence... if you say! yeah I use my interceptor to intercept a BS ...
Now u would make some sence... if you said, we use interceptors in group wars or in group to intercept a BS .... But even with standard frigates u are able to intercept BS
BTW if a BS as a chance of firing at you (coz u are alone intercepting a BS)... you will see the good interceptor firework display... and then you will say good bye to 5m-7m Isk of just a better frigate called interceptor
The advantages from frigates to interceptors are minimal and interceptors aren't meant to intercept BS... they are meant to work in groups like frigates does... and that makes a good sense.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.31 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Thyro on 31/03/2004 11:37:01
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Iterceptors are meant to intercept Battleships... If you had the interceptor equiped properly you wouldn't have been disposed of so fast. So next time your in an Interceptor and see a Tempest, do the smart thing and run.
if interceptors are meant to intercept battleships then my shuttle is meant to intercept frigates
Why u people lose time saying things like that Interceptors aren't more than better frigates, and as better frigate... their are good to intercept frigates... now... why you all would like to intercept a BS?
Makes no sence... if you say! yeah I use my interceptor to intercept a BS ...
Now u would make some sence... if you said, we use interceptors in group wars or in group to intercept a BS .... But even with standard frigates u are able to intercept BS
BTW if a BS as a chance of firing at you (coz u are alone intercepting a BS)... you will see the good interceptor firework display... and then you will say good bye to 5m-7m Isk of just a better frigate called interceptor
The advantages from frigates to interceptors are minimal and interceptors aren't meant to intercept BS... they are meant to work in groups like frigates does... and that makes a good sense.
Jesus Christ, after reading your post I am ****ed.
Maybe I should go to bed.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.31 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 31/03/2004 13:00:00
Yep they do die ... but good lord are they fun before then ;) I love my Crow, its a mega-breacher on performance enhancing steroids and it does literally murder other frigates and unwary cruisers. The speed, additional flexibility with mediums, and harder lock time gives you an edge. Thats all it is "an edge" and its important to remember it doesn't make you immortal. (as I found out to my cost fooling around with 2 CA Megathrons ;)
But I'd say the price is well worth it. It can take you anywhere in eve past any blockade and then let you cause trouble in a serious way when you get there. For me the Elite Frigate means that alliance territorial claims are irrelevent and that anyone who wants to wage a guerilla war can do it with great success.
10m for that is a bargain. Buy one! fly to curse and hunt megacyte indies, you'll soon recoup the investment ...
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