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Djerin
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Posted - 2008.02.06 11:07:00 -
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Being a Deimos pilot i aggree with most comments in this thread. The rep bonus wont turn the Deimos into a decent tank platform. It is intended to be a gank ship after all, hence the double damage bonus.
Taking away a lowslot is like a massive nerf to this ship. This is because it reduces either damageouput or it's already little defensive potential.
And doing this in combination with a significant boost to other hacs this is like an additional nerf to the deimos.
Why are you doing this? There was no need to double nerf the Deimos. There wasn't even a need for a single nerf. The ship was fine for what it was intended to be. After those changes it will suck at it's purpose and fail any other job too.
/me votes against changes.
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Djerin
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Posted - 2008.02.06 12:55:00 -
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Oh and by the way: we already have T2 cruisers for each arce that are designed to have good tanks. No need to do that in a Deimos..
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Djerin
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Posted - 2008.02.07 00:37:00 -
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Imho the repair bonus is a complete waste, no matter if you change a high or a low to medium. Let me explain.
Assume the proposed change makes it in the way it was announced in the dev blog.
-To use the repper bonus you'd have to setup all the way tank. If you dont you cannot tank anything beyond 200 DPS which i seriously do not consider tanking really.
-With Ions you could easily fit MWD, injector and a single t2 rep. You'd have t2 base resistances and you would be using a 5 slot tank. If you put in aux nano pumps you could tank about 350 DPS depending on your compensation skills.
BUT: Since you need ammo you cannot carry around more than 9 or 10 bosster charges (800s, one already loaded in injector). So you'd be able to tank stuff for 6+ minutes. That is if you're not donated cap transfer. You'd be dealing the DPS of a Thorax w/ 1 or 2 magstabs in the process. A Brutix would be better in every way, except for agility - it costs significantly less.
The only difference of changing a hi to med instead of the low would be, that you'd deal about the Brutix DPS. You'd still tank worse and be far more expensive.
I say we don't need the rep amount bonus. I would complain less about a passive defensive bonus like armor resistances per level or armor hitpoints per level. But the rep amount is pointless. There is no way you can do anything usefull in a combat situation with that stuff. It's not like we're having one on one situations all the time.
A good tank on a HAC is only possible and usefull if you setup your ship for NPCing and avoid PVP. But why would you do that? There are cheaper ships that do the NPCing job much better.
Please CCP, forget the idea of a Deimos tanking something with it's repper. It doesn't need fixing. If the pilot is well trained skillpoint and experience wise this ship is totally fine. It's not about the numbers in the end.
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Djerin
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Posted - 2008.02.07 15:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Durethia
Originally by: Djerin
Oh and by the way: we already have T2 cruisers for each arce that are designed to have good tanks. No need to do that in a Deimos..
It's funny how you word this, as though the Deimos is a new and upcoming ship. i.e. "we already have..."
Just so you know, HACs were out long before Heavy Interdictors and the best tank that can be put on a Deimos, currently with 6 lows, can not really compare.
No you just didn't get the point. Deimos was never intended to be tanking anything. HICs on the other hand obviously needed to be tanking really good.
So after HICs have been introduced, why do we need to give a good tank to the Deimos?! There is absolutely no need to do so. And as i explained it doesn't even work properly, more like extremely inefficiently.
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