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Awox
Advanced Logistics
Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 03:51:00 -
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Is it another one of Zulupark's ideas?
I don't know many people who even fit repairers on deimos, let alone medium ones. Of course the logic behind such fits is to kill or be killed, and if you are shooting you cannot have enough capacitor to repair anyways...
Whoever it was, whatever they are smoking cannot be legal - not even in iceland. 
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Gran Masakari
Advanced Logistics
Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 03:52:00 -
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Edited by: Gran Masakari on 02/02/2008 03:53:13
As a Deimos pilot, I would just like to say one thing:
/agree 
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Organized Combat Consortium
Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.02 03:57:00 -
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Yeah, I've finished my training for a Deimos like a day ago, looks like I'll be buying an Ishtar though. I mean, it's better in every way.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:04:00 -
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Awox you can now fit a sensor booster or two on your cloaked deimoses 
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Arkios Odymei
Incarnation of Evil
Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:06:00 -
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Edited by: Arkios Odymei on 02/02/2008 04:06:40
I can understand wanting to give it another Mid slot, but why take away a Low slot instead of the useless High slot (aka small nos)?
Removing a low slot will just take away what little tank the deimos will have... Oh wait, They gave us that Tanking bonus to compensate I guess...
Well, Good thing we have all that extra PG to gank with our neutrons as well as fit a MAR + Cap booster...
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Winter Nuclear
Blue.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:07:00 -
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The appearance of the sacred 4'th mid slot is a sign! I sign that we must all now passive shield tank our holy camouflaged phallic contraptions!
The repairer bonus is merely a goon swatter, and a test for those of weaker soul!
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Aries Acheron
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:15:00 -
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The point of the repairer bonus is negated by the loss of a lowslot. If you take the largely useless 6th High, and made it a low.. the Deimos is then fine.
5/4/6 setup, hooray. It works fine, and isn't overpowered pwn.
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Eve Tribune
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:33:00 -
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I don't understand the need for the change. Unneeded and uncalled for changes like this make me wonder what CCP is doing, tbh.
Oh well, back to blobbing now that one more 'fun to fly ship' is being turned killed. Sad.
 Originally by: Mangala Solaris
EVE really doesnt have set goals, its a freeform sandbox - yes a sandbox with kids that occasionally take a dump in it, but a sandbox never the less.
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CherniyVolk
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Awox
Is it another one of Zulupark's ideas?
I don't know many people who even fit repairers on deimos, let alone medium ones. Of course the logic behind such fits is to kill or be killed, and if you are shooting you cannot have enough capacitor to repair anyways...
Whoever it was, whatever they are smoking cannot be legal - not even in iceland.
What?
No rep on a Deimos? Are you kidding?
Btw, you can perma run your repper, and guns on a Deimos. You can even perma run the MWD and repper.
Train up your Engineering skills.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: CherniyVolk
Originally by: Awox
Is it another one of Zulupark's ideas?
I don't know many people who even fit repairers on deimos, let alone medium ones. Of course the logic behind such fits is to kill or be killed, and if you are shooting you cannot have enough capacitor to repair anyways...
Whoever it was, whatever they are smoking cannot be legal - not even in iceland.
What?
No rep on a Deimos? Are you kidding?
Btw, you can perma run your repper, and guns on a Deimos. You can even perma run the MWD and repper.
Train up your Engineering skills.
ever fitted a gank deimos (wich is the only viable fitting for the ship)?
in that fitting, you need to slap an ACR to fit the repper that you will only use for a cycle or to repair between fights.
tbh slapping trimarks and a SAR is better for the purpose of the ship
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:53:00 -
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The Deimos has 1625 base capacitor now. You got your MWD cap bonus FOR FREE, WITHOUT even having to fit a MWD. You get a free bonus and you're whining about it. Typical Gallente.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
The Deimos has 1625 base capacitor now. You got your MWD cap bonus FOR FREE, WITHOUT even having to fit a MWD. You get a free bonus and you're whining about it. Typical Gallente.
no I don't. I still have less cap than I have now (1719)
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2008.02.02 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Xequecal
The Deimos has 1625 base capacitor now. You got your MWD cap bonus FOR FREE, WITHOUT even having to fit a MWD. You get a free bonus and you're whining about it. Typical Gallente.
no I don't. I still have less cap than I have now (1719)
BASE capacitor. That's BEFORE Engineering. The Deimos' current base cap is 1375. God damn.
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Zana Kito
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Posted - 2008.02.02 05:08:00 -
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5/4/6 layout please CCP.
Useless high slots is bad now, i hope you guys realize this. Neuts are meh on gank ships.. and NOS.. ugh. |
Byzan Zwyth
Dark Centuri Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 06:35:00 -
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awesome I'm sure CCP changed it because of all the people who QQ because they dont have room for an injector
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Suga H
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.02 06:58:00 -
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This Deimos change will actually get me to buy one. Screw off you fools screaming "WHY U DO DAT ZULU". It seems like a decent change. Might be a total of 5% cap hit with the MWD on, but it's a bonus to cap without MWD and now reppers are decent on the ship. Sure, PG is still rough, but oh well, you'll deal with it.
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Spenz
Gallente
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.02.02 08:03:00 -
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Edited by: Spenz on 02/02/2008 08:04:54
Edited by: Spenz on 02/02/2008 08:03:53
Cap bonus: Good
Add a mid slot: Good
Lose a low slot and add a rep bonus to compensate: Very very BAD.
Now lets look at the facts. Where are you going to fish out the powergrid to fit good guns, a medium repper, AND a medium cap booster? It barely fits neutrons, a mwd, and a small armor repper as is (with a proper plate setup since resist-tanking a deimos is just not viable). I won't even mention a gank setup since that completely nullifies that second 'bonus'.
Do they really want to make it so that rigs are REQUIRED to actually use the ship to a moderate extent (medium repper, medium cap booster, mwd, and ions)? Not only that, but giving it a tanking bonus, then REMOVING a large portion of its tank is not only counter-productive, it's just stupid.
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Darius Avalon
Red.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 08:26:00 -
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Edited by: Darius Avalon on 02/02/2008 08:26:39
Originally by: Arkios Odymei
Edited by: Arkios Odymei on 02/02/2008 04:06:40
I can understand wanting to give it another Mid slot, but why take away a Low slot instead of the useless High slot (aka small nos)?
Originally by: Aries Acheron
If you take the largely useless 6th High, and made it a low.. the Deimos is then fine.
5/4/6 setup, hooray. It works fine, and isn't overpowered pwn.
Originally by: Zana Kito
5/4/6 layout please CCP.
^ note this
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Kieran Jarnush
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Posted - 2008.02.02 08:42:00 -
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don't touch the deimos pls. this change as well as the removal of the mwd bonus is really, really, really unwanted and unneeded! 
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Ogul
Caldari
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.02 09:43:00 -
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Less cap, less low slots... nice improvement. That will really boost its defenses.
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Ogul
Caldari
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.02 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Xequecal
The Deimos has 1625 base capacitor now. You got your MWD cap bonus FOR FREE, WITHOUT even having to fit a MWD. You get a free bonus and you're whining about it. Typical Gallente.
no I don't. I still have less cap than I have now (1719)
BASE capacitor. That's BEFORE Engineering. The Deimos' current base cap is 1375. God damn.
then: 1375 cap and no penalty from the mwd = 1375 cap.
now: 1625 cap and 25% reduction from mwd = 1218.75 cap.
Math, it's amazing.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.02.02 09:58:00 -
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after this change... i will never fly a deimos. i loved the glass cannon thing in it (allmost 0 tank and full gank)
i never use the last utility slot.. as nothing fits.
now mwd bonus is gone (i think.. only played whit zealot last night in test)and you get a useless rep bonus that will never be used in pvp. why you ask ? whit no mwd bonus.. your cap will be empty by the time you are shooting someone.. if you fit neutrons and a inj... you cant fit a rep.
now im going to train amarr on this char allso and use only gank zealots. as in 5hp t2 whit 3x hs = <3 (if i can get it to fit :P)
it seems Zulupark messed up again whit a change (atleast some of them where avoided by him talking about them in a blog).
i hope he reconciders this change and turns it back. glass cannon coulndt have been overpowerd. if you fit lots of damage.. you didnt have any tank... how is this not fair
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Breed Love
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.02 09:58:00 -
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People need to get a clue, deimos is much better with the changes.
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Originally by: Zhulik
I thought Premium graphics were supposed to fix that bug where people were trying to salvage Minmatar ships.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.02.02 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: Riho on 02/02/2008 10:01:53
Originally by: Breed Love
People need to get a clue, deimos is much better with the changes.
as a nano ******* ship yes
Quote:
As the damage output is already the highest of all the HACs, we looked into boosting its defenses so it had a fighting chance
and this is from devblog
funny... lest rise defence.... removed a low slot :P
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Breed Love
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.02 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Riho
as a nano ******* ship yes
Not necessarily. You just need to use the grey matter you are supposed to have somewhere between your forehead and your neck. Deimos is a much better ship with the changes, period.
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Originally by: Zhulik
I thought Premium graphics were supposed to fix that bug where people were trying to salvage Minmatar ships.
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El Torrent
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.02.02 10:07:00 -
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Interesting. Nerfing damage potential of a gank HAC. I guess I will stop flying it, then.
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Pord
Caldari
Divine Retribution
Divine 0rder
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Posted - 2008.02.02 10:43:00 -
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I agree with getting rid of the high slot insead of the low..... why give tank bonous and then remove a low? Also te whole point of the ship is gank so why even take the MWD bonous away and give it the rep amount?
Ok u can survive more but ur gonna loose on dps which is the whole point of the deimos. Also as stated by some1 above..... u try to fit all the blasters, cap injector, mwd and a medium repper!!! MIGHT fit with electrons but then that means the DPS sufferes alot!
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Solomon XI
Caldari
Dawn of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.02.02 10:53:00 -
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5H/4M/6L
+New Changes
/signed.
That extra high slot is useless.
Please CCP, we love our 6 lows. Don't do it!
-Solo
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Lady Antares
Yumpalistic Industrial
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:02:00 -
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This is quite possibly the worst change ever
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 02/02/2008 11:05:45
Originally by: Breed Love
People need to get a clue, deimos is much better with the changes.
so wait, atm we have a deimos that trades any sort of tank to be able to be in gank mode, wich is fine imho. you slap neutrons and 3 mag stabs and you're only left with 3 lows for for a buffer tank, but in return you get 525dps out of the turrets ALONE, and enough grid to slap a SAR. hey fine by me. the SAR is there to rep between fights anyway.
now with the low slot removed, you lose tank, you cannot fit gank setups since the MAR and the injector are there, and to make use of the bonuses in full you need to fit at least a 800mm plate, wich leaves you still with a useless 6th high slot, and downgrade from neutrons to ELECTRONS, just to be able to fit the ship AND ability to survive inside web range now that you don't have your DPS as tank.
if this is a boost to the solo efficiency of the deimos, then was the role of DPS machine in gangs not enough?
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