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giddymochug
Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:06:00 -
[31]
i fart in the general direction of gallente space.
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Prez21
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:06:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Breed Love
Originally by: Riho
as a nano ******* ship yes
Not necessarily. You just need to use the grey matter you are supposed to have somewhere between your forehead and your neck. Deimos is a much better ship with the changes, period.
Ok you tell me what the deimos will do after these changes that will make it worth flying, it wont tank that good still, it wont deal much much dmg, please point out the adavantage it will now have.
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:11:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Breed Love
People need to get a clue, deimos is much better with the changes.
how?
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Ebodhisatva
hunter killers
La Famila
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:22:00 -
[34]
My second experience on sisi:
5 heavy ion blaster t2, 1 med nos
1 mwd, 2 cap rechargers t2, 1 scrambler
1 med repper t2, 2 hardener t2, 2 mag stabs t2
2 cap control circuits t1
5 hammers t2
If nos is on, it's cap stable with mwd, repper and guns active...
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:23:00 -
[35]
Does the Thorax also get its MWD Bonus replaced?
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MortyM
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:26:00 -
[36]
These changes do not make any sense at all. To give it more defense you remove a low slot and add a med slot.. ? ...you do know its an armor tank right?
The med slot is supposed to make it able to fit a cap recharger.. but then you completely *****it's cap by removing the mwd bonus.. I just doesn't make any sense at all...
Unless ofcourse you consider balancing the process of makeing all ships the same. Well then you are succeeding in makeing the game a lot more boring.
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Amanda Shadowsword
Caldari
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:30:00 -
[37]
Originally by: CherniyVolk
Originally by: Awox
Is it another one of Zulupark's ideas?
I don't know many people who even fit repairers on deimos, let alone medium ones. Of course the logic behind such fits is to kill or be killed, and if you are shooting you cannot have enough capacitor to repair anyways...
Whoever it was, whatever they are smoking cannot be legal - not even in iceland. 
What?
No rep on a Deimos? Are you kidding?
Btw, you can perma run your repper, and guns on a Deimos. You can even perma run the MWD and repper.
Train up your Engineering skills.
That means ****all when everyone and they're mother fits neuts.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:38:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Hannobaal on 02/02/2008 11:43:15
Edited by: Hannobaal on 02/02/2008 11:40:48
What I was using on test today (I don't have tech 2 medium guns trained up  ):
5 x best named ion blasters, 1 x best named medium nos
1 x tech 2 10mn mwd, 1 x tech 2 scrambler, 1 x tech 2 web, 1 x tech 2 cap recharger (no powergrid for a cap booster)
1 x tech 2 MAR, 1 x tech 2 reactive nano plating, 2 x tech 2 adaptive nano plating, 1 x tech 2 damage control
2 x Auxiliary Nano Pump rigs
5 x Hammerhead II drones
I killed another Deimos, which was using 2 repairers and a cap booster (and tech 2 guns), after a long fight.
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oniplE
Blue.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:47:00 -
[39]
lol, how about a gank shield-buffer-tanked nano deimos? (for gangs)
High:
Heavy ion blaster II * 3
Heavy neutron blaster *2
Med:
10mn MWD II
Large shield extender II * 2
Invul field II.
Low:
Magnetic field stab II * 2
Overdrive injector II * 2
Damage control II
Rigs:
anti-em screen
core field extender.
Hammerheads II * 5
It has speed, it has damage, it has over 9k shield. Obviously you can still switch around some mods/rigs for even more gank.
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Taguchi Hiroko
Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:47:00 -
[40]
I dunno what I am paying these CCP dudes for, making changes to a ship that nobody ever complained about.
Deimos is fine as it is.
U wanna change ship specs, do something about assult frigs and gal recons, which are pieces of useless crap as they are.
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Breed Love
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:15:00 -
[41]
Tbh people need to start thinking harder and also considering using rigs on their ships.
And as I said, deimos is right now a subpar solo ship and ok-ish damage dealer in a small gang(not more than 10 people, otherwise targets usually die before you even get in range). It will be outclassed in its gang role by the 5 turret zealot when those changes are live, and the only thing left it can hope to do well (and what hi-dps blaster ships should do well) is solo roaming. However the whole "oh, my dps is teh ub4r but if zis guy has a neut im gona blow up lol" doesn't really make it a good solo ship. Having an extra mid slot for a cap injector changes this.
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Cornette
Gallente
Black Screen of Death
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:18:00 -
[42]
I agree with the other posters in this thread: THERE WAS NO NEED TO CHANGE THE DEIMOS!!! CCP LAY OFF THE *****-PIPE FFS 
Why do you have to thinker with everything when its not broken? Why is listening to your customers that hard? The Deimos was fine as it was. So now it will be a cruiser-sized brutix with tanking problem whoopidoo 
You could have moved that useless utility slot to the mid instead or given the Deimos extra cpu to fit a medium sized nos/neut or something even remotely useful in that last slot but no 
Or did I miss the memo that it is Gallentes turn to get nerfed this year?
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:20:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Breed Love
Tbh people need to start thinking harder and also considering using rigs on their ships.
And as I said, deimos is right now a subpar solo ship and ok-ish damage dealer in a small gang(not more than 10 people, otherwise targets usually die before you even get in range). It will be outclassed in its gang role by the 5 turret zealot when those changes are live, and the only thing left it can hope to do well (and what hi-dps blaster ships should do well) is solo roaming. However the whole "oh, my dps is teh ub4r but if zis guy has a neut im gona blow up lol" doesn't really make it a good solo ship. Having an extra mid slot for a cap injector changes this.
usage of rigs in a ship should never be a balancing factor to make them "good".
also, most people that I know that fly deimos will tell you that the deimos is not a solo ship.
"balls to the wall" fighting style with no tank at all works great when you're the main damage dealer of a HAC gang, and that's where the deimos always shined.
want to change the deimos? sure, swap that useless high slot for a med, and leave the rest alone.
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:23:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Breed Love
Tbh people need to start thinking harder and also considering using rigs on their ships.
Rigs should never be needed to make a ship do its intended role, rigs should only be there to make it do its roles better
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:39:00 -
[45]
What the **** is this change about?
Deimos always had troubles fitting guns+mwd+rep before, that is why it was used as a high gank, low tank ship.
Now, it has 1625 capasitor capacity with MWD, (1625*0,75=) 1218. Before it had 1375 with or without MWD. This means it has less effective capasitor than before!
The deimos had problems with fittings before, and needed one PG rig to fit guns+ light tank. With this new change you have one low slot less, meaning either significant loss of dps or a two slot tank. With the new rep bonus the ship needs to fit reps to take any advantage of the new bonus it needs to have similiar increases in PG and CPU. 173 in PG and 30 in CPU to be precise.
This leads to possibilities of very broken setups, and in general it would be a lot easier just to move the utility high slot to a med slot or leave the ship as it is.
Those who have trained it, have done so because of it's unique role, not because they want a solopwnmobile. Please, we the playerbase beg you. If it aint broken, don't fix it.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:44:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Zana Kito
5/4/6 layout please CCP.
Useless high slots is bad now, i hope you guys realize this. Neuts are meh on gank ships.. and NOS.. ugh.
Tbh, if the ship had enough fitting to fit a medium neut in that slot in addition to the normal gank setup, it would be good. But at the moment it is too fitting limited to ever use that slot for anything but micro, small and civiliam modules.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:48:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Laboratus
Originally by: Zana Kito
5/4/6 layout please CCP.
Useless high slots is bad now, i hope you guys realize this. Neuts are meh on gank ships.. and NOS.. ugh.
Tbh, if the ship had enough fitting to fit a medium neut in that slot in addition to the normal gank setup, it would be good. But at the moment it is too fitting limited to ever use that slot for anything but micro, small and civiliam modules.
well, with a 5/4/6 setup, if I downgrade from T2 webs to X5's, I can slap 2 of them and keep the rest of the setup intact (neutrons, mwd, warp jammer, 3 MFS, SAR, expl hard and DCU)
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:53:00 -
[48]
hahahahha 
deimos is so joke now ..
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Lews Stark
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:56:00 -
[49]
Why fix a ship that worked correctly?
It has been useful for three months only, and they're breaking it again.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:57:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Grimpak
well, with a 5/4/6 setup, if I downgrade from T2 webs to X5's, I can slap 2 of them and keep the rest of the setup intact (neutrons, mwd, warp jammer, 3 MFS, SAR, expl hard and DCU)
Yea, a fourth mid is useful. Never said it wasn't.
But, that high slot could be very useful if you had enough fittings to fit a neut in it.
These days carriers are more than common and taking them down is a lot easier in a roaming gang if you have enough nos/neut to kill it's capacitor recharge and stop it from tanking.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:02:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Laboratus
Originally by: Grimpak
well, with a 5/4/6 setup, if I downgrade from T2 webs to X5's, I can slap 2 of them and keep the rest of the setup intact (neutrons, mwd, warp jammer, 3 MFS, SAR, expl hard and DCU)
Yea, a fourth mid is useful. Never said it wasn't.
But, that high slot could be very useful if you had enough fittings to fit a neut in it.
These days carriers are more than common and taking them down is a lot easier in a roaming gang if you have enough nos/neut to kill it's capacitor recharge and stop it from tanking.
true there, but running a neut and guns in a deimos, even considering today's stats is impossible without an injector.
and you only have space to some 5 or 6 800 charges if you want to pack ammo in there.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:05:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Laboratus on 02/02/2008 13:05:13
In my experience my forum warrioring has lead to me being primaried quite often and as such I've never run out of boosters or ammo, so I've never seen that as a problem.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:07:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Laboratus
Edited by: Laboratus on 02/02/2008 13:05:53
In my experience I'm being primaried quite often (could be due to my forum warrioring) and as such I've never run out of boosters or ammo, so I've never seen that as a problem.
but in running that neutralizer you need them
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:09:00 -
[54]
We want:
5/4/6 layout.
Change that silly rep bonus to a +10% (or +7.5%) to armor hitpoints per level.
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Rastigan
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:29:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Rastigan on 02/02/2008 13:29:54
Im Meh with the changes,if they happen, I'll just double LSEII it and fly it like a nano-HAC....
and to be honest I've never had a Deimos last long enough (its either win or lose in 30seconds) for a repper to matter...
The Deimos is sure going to make a nice mission runner now though with the repper bonus and the extra cap...
The way the Deimos is set up on Sisi, why not just buy a Brutix for 20mil and call it a day...
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Ogul
Caldari
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:33:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Rastigan
The Deimos is sure going to make a nice mission runner now though with the repper bonus and the extra cap...
I have yet so see a blaster setup that actually performs in missions.
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PeveS
The Edge Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:38:00 -
[57]
Edited by: PeveS on 02/02/2008 13:39:06
Edited by: PeveS on 02/02/2008 13:38:40
Originally by: ElCoCo
We want:
5/4/6 layout.
Change that silly rep bonus to a +10% (or +7.5%) to armor hitpoints per level.
Thanx
Deimos will be to overpowered.
Leave it like it is now. tweak it just a little bit and its fine.
>>One of the main problems of actively repaired Deimos setups is the high energy requirement
You can run a blasters, mwd, and meditation repper forever with maxed engineering skills and right rigs
>>Slots: 6/4/5 (+1 med, -1 low)
You loose or damage or a resistance. Other hacs will slice into your armor like butter if you dont kill them fast enough.
>>Capacitor capacity: 1625.0en (+250en)
This is a good change.
>>7.5% bonus to armor repair amount per Gallente Cruiser level (replaces the MWD capacitor penalty reduction)
Its a better bonus then a mwd bonus. If you opponent is webbed you dont need mwd on full force anyway.
Conclusion, Deimos needs 6 low slots. Repper, 2 or 3 dam mods and some resistance mods. If you bring it back to 5, deimos will suck for its attanded gank role. You have a ishtar to tank. Deimos is damage. However, i think the deimos will be overpowered if its getting (5/4/6).
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Ogul
Caldari
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:42:00 -
[58]
Originally by: PeveS
>>7.5% bonus to armor repair amount per Gallente Cruiser level (replaces the MWD capacitor penalty reduction)
Its a better bonus then a mwd bonus. If you opponent is webbed you dont need mwd on full force anyway.
Excuse me? The old Deimos bonus removes the capacitor penalty for fitting an mwd. It still uses the same amount of cap to actually run, which (with the new stats) it will have less of.
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Rastigan
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:43:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Ogul
Originally by: Rastigan
The Deimos is sure going to make a nice mission runner now though with the repper bonus and the extra cap...
I have yet so see a blaster setup that actually performs in missions.
Neither have I, you can use railguns though..
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Ogul
Caldari
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:47:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Ogul on 02/02/2008 13:47:44
Originally by: Rastigan
Originally by: Ogul
I have yet so see a blaster setup that actually performs in missions.
Neither have I, you can use railguns though..
Without bothering to actually try to fit that I would still claim that the Deimos probably sucks badly as a railgun mission platform, especially if compared to (cheaper) ships like the Dominix or the Megathron.
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