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Z3r0n THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.14 09:46:00 - [241] Originally by: Spenz They can't explain it to you. Most of the people who say the change is good haven't even flown the deimos. They are just butt-hurt amarr/caldari that believe that anything anti-gallente is the bees knees (aka awesome) and will do pretty much anything to make it happen. I tend to agree.... I have spoken to really many people about this "change" and I haven't met a single Deimos pilot that doesn't think the change is a huge nerf (and defiantly not a boost!) The only time I ever fit an active repper on a Deimos is for lowsec.. and also only if I don't have remote support... it's usually more of an out-of-combat repper so I don't have to dock up to repair... thats the only situation I ever fit Ions (or sometimes even Electrons but that makes me feel weak) and a rep so the new bonus will be valuable to me in about 2% of the time I fly a Deimos. The rest of the time I'd rather have the MWD bonus. Bottom line: you gimped a ship that nobody whined about since you realized it sucked and fixed it a few months ago... but I can really see why you would invest time into nerf-boosting a ship that nobody thinks is over or underpowered... I mean EVE has no other problems that need to be addressed (because the server is really sable, the customer service is a charm and the game is so bug-free) so I can really understand you wasting my money on ***** me over with your idiotic idea of a "boost". I agree with the person that said the Dev who came up with this idea should be fired... or at least moved to the cleaning department where he/she can't do any harm to the game! Epic fail... Maybe it's time for a proper dev to make a statement and let us know if you really plan on nerfing the Deimos to hell and back or if this was just another (huge and dismal) failure by the balancing-department that will be revoked as soon as someone higher up does their job properly and notices the uproar your noob-staff has created? Currently Training:** ePeen Compensation Rank (19)
yeahyeahyeah	Posted - 2008.02.14 09:57:00 - [242] Hope the devs pick up the idear and dont put this through, 5/4/6 or nowt.
Lady Trade	Posted - 2008.02.14 12:43:00 - [243] Edited by: Lady Trade on 14/02/2008 12:44:06 shameless bump Please keep the feedback about the deimos nerf comming. PS. 5/4/6 or nothing.
Durethia Momentum. The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.02.14 17:22:00 - [244] Edited by: Durethia on 14/02/2008 17:25:11 Why won't CCP respond to this thread? This Deimos change, along with the EM resistance change is a pile of BS a hundred feet high. We want some kind of formal explanation; I have the manager of Comedy Central on hold! Oh, in Europe, are workers accustomed to being inebriated/euphoric while at work? I'm just trying to rationalize HOW such a decision could have made sense to anyone at any given point in time. I'll be honest with you, if I lived that close to Amsterdam, I'd make fine use of my weekends and holidays, oh fo' sho'! Please, throw us a bone, number to your dealer, a baby, something...
nihlanth	Posted - 2008.02.14 17:32:00 - [245] EM resistance change is welcomed, just dont change the Deimos and everything will be fine.
Terianna Eri Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.14 18:48:00 - [246] There is hope! Behold! Originally by: CCP Nozh But when someone pointed out how the change effected deimoses in larger gangs we reconsidered. The old deimos is probably already back on SISI, we're also going to seed the other version and allow people to test it vs. the old version. CCP is not oblivious to the anguish of you Deimos pilots out there. __________________________________
Khorian Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.14 19:28:00 - [247] Link please ---
Terianna Eri Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.14 21:43:00 - [248] Originally by: Khorian Link please Here you go __________________________________
Elles D Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.14 22:09:00 - [249] Cry, cry tears of hate gallente scum But on a serious note, it is a highly 'odd' change to put it mildly. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Igetshotalot THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.14 22:15:00 - [250] Originally by: Z3r0n I agree with the person that said the Dev who came up with this idea should be fired... or at least moved to the cleaning department where he/she can't do any harm to the game! dude you dont want to spend your time in the basement with zulusuckpark:)
Krikin The Coalition Of Buccaneers Mercenary Services	Posted - 2008.02.14 22:31:00 - [251] 5/4/6 _____________________________________________ \\o \o/ o//
Korin Muradrim Setenta Corp INVICTUS.	Posted - 2008.02.14 22:36:00 - [252] If you do change the Deimos to 4 meds and 5 lows (which I'm strongly opposed to), will you also increase its PG so it can actually fit that booster? [Image removed due to legal action by the Church of Scientology.]
Derrios Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.02.15 00:16:00 - [253] Just more changes which put me a step closer to cancelling my accounts. Keep up good work guys.
joshmorris Silver Snake Enterprise SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.15 01:30:00 - [254] Originally by: Derrios Just more changes which put me a step closer to cancelling my accounts. Keep up good work guys. Can i have your stuff ? Wait .. if ur stuff is gallente its prolly bs so nvm. 5/4/6 Or nutin. Uber idea solves all !!
Druadan Institute of Fungineering	Posted - 2008.02.15 10:44:00 - [255] Originally by: Z3r0n Originally by: Spenz They can't explain it to you. Most of the people who say the change is good haven't even flown the deimos. They are just butt-hurt amarr/caldari that believe that anything anti-gallente is the bees knees (aka awesome) and will do pretty much anything to make it happen. I tend to agree.... I have spoken to really many people about this "change" and I haven't met a single Deimos pilot that doesn't think the change is a huge nerf (and defiantly not a boost!) The only time I ever fit an active repper on a Deimos is for lowsec.. and also only if I don't have remote support... it's usually more of an out-of-combat repper so I don't have to dock up to repair... thats the only situation I ever fit Ions (or sometimes even Electrons but that makes me feel weak) and a rep so the new bonus will be valuable to me in about 2% of the time I fly a Deimos. The rest of the time I'd rather have the MWD bonus. Bottom line: you gimped a ship that nobody whined about since you realized it sucked and fixed it a few months ago... but I can really see why you would invest time into nerf-boosting a ship that nobody thinks is over or underpowered... I mean EVE has no other problems that need to be addressed (because the server is really sable, the customer service is a charm and the game is so bug-free) so I can really understand you wasting my money on ***** me over with your idiotic idea of a "boost". I agree with the person that said the Dev who came up with this idea should be fired... or at least moved to the cleaning department where he/she can't do any harm to the game! Epic fail... Maybe it's time for a proper dev to make a statement and let us know if you really plan on nerfing the Deimos to hell and back or if this was just another (huge and dismal) failure by the balancing-department that will be revoked as soon as someone higher up does their job properly and notices the uproar your noob-staff has created? I think that just about sums it up to be honest. That thread linked where Nozh straddles the fence further (We're putting it back but it was a good change... honest) did nothing to improve my estimation of the arrogance that is behind these changes. How the Deimos nerf affected its performance in gangs was only part of what was wrong with it. How the nerf affected the ship in every other aspect was the main part of the problem. -Dru [center]Amarr Cruiser V: check.** - Useless recons: check. Gallente Carrier: check. - [i]Logistics capability stripped: check. Gallente Cruiser V: check.[/b] - [i]Nerfed Re
el toppolino Caldari Fury Corporation INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.02.15 12:14:00 - [256] i blame the global warming for that change...must be hard to be in iceland Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) Fury Website
L33t Sphere	Posted - 2008.02.22 15:46:00 - [257] Edited by: L33t Sphere on 22/02/2008 15:47:25 Bump and signed. Leave the deimos alone or drop the extra highslot. Especially since the utility high of the zealot is nonexistent now, it's only fair that the other damagebased HAC doesn't have one. Give us a mid from that high. Your only other choice to keep us competitive is to drop the utility high for a low, but that'd turn it into a shorter ranged, higher dps Zealot. If you move that lowslot then there's not a single reason to use it over a Ishtar. (Could also give us a 6th turret and cpu+pg to fit it. I think that'd be pretty cool and not terribly overpowered, but others might disagree :D)
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.02.22 16:01:00 - [258] Ranting again. Removing a low is also removing versatility. Adding a rep specific bonus removes versatility, sponsors a specific setup to be used. With the rep bonus it becomes more of the same compared to other ships (brutix, phobos ...) Less versatility and more of the same is no fun.
atiJ sdrawkcaB	Posted - 2008.02.22 16:04:00 - [259] Originally by: L33t Sphere Edited by: L33t Sphere on 22/02/2008 15:47:25 Bump and signed. Leave the deimos alone or drop the extra highslot. Especially since the utility high of the zealot is nonexistent now, it's only fair that the other damagebased HAC doesn't have one. Give us a mid from that high. Your only other choice to keep us competitive is to drop the utility high for a low, but that'd turn it into a shorter ranged, higher dps Zealot. If you move that lowslot then there's not a single reason to use it over a Ishtar. (Could also give us a 6th turret and cpu+pg to fit it. I think that'd be pretty cool and not terribly overpowered, but others might disagree :D) 6th turret would put the Deimos in the 1000 dps ballpark. While I'm not opposed to this, I seriously doubt that they will ever let a HAC put out that much damage. 5/4/6 is good, 5/3/7 is unlikely , 6 turrets/3/6 is not gonna happen in our lifetime.
Zaerlorth Maelkor	Posted - 2008.02.24 14:14:00 - [260] Originally by: Xequecal Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Xequecal The Deimos has 1625 base capacitor now. You got your MWD cap bonus FOR FREE, WITHOUT even having to fit a MWD. You get a free bonus and you're whining about it. Typical Gallente. no I don't. I still have less cap than I have now (1719) BASE capacitor. That's BEFORE Engineering. The Deimos' current base cap is 1375. God damn. Get a clue! It's a blaster boat. MWD is necessity. It's a nerf! ================================================== I should really get a sig.
Taguchi Hiroko Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.02.24 15:20:00 - [261] yep, 5/4/6 or nothing. And don't mess with the mwd bonus.
Antodias North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.02.24 15:24:00 - [262] Originally by: Z3r0n I tend to agree.... I have spoken to really many people about this "change" and I haven't met a single Deimos pilot that doesn't think the change is a huge nerf (and defiantly not a boost!) Well, I don't think it's a boost, I think it's roles have changed. For the better or worse, well I think you've already decided that in your own mind. What I said in another thread: Quote: Well I've done a lot of testing on SiSi, and the Deimos is not worse, it's had its role changed. From being a do-or-die mini-gankthron, its not become more of a slow-burning tank ship. This means: (a) It will be much better for solo/small gang work in lowsec. but (b) It serves no real purpose in 0.0 or medium to large gangs. Basically in order to use it effectively you need 1 rep (thus removing its pure gank ability) but I personally think 2 is much better. This gives you a maximum damage potential of ions with no magstabs, and even that needs ancillary rigs. It's active tank is now incredible, but pretty mediocre damage. In summary, if this change is put through, I'll definatly use it for low sec solo or small gang work and I intend to make some fraps (some fights on sisi were epic). But for 0.0 work, stick with the Ishtar. And yes I have flown the Deimos. A lot.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.24 16:00:00 - [263] Originally by: Antodias Edited by: Antodias on 24/02/2008 15:26:04 Originally by: Z3r0n I tend to agree.... I have spoken to really many people about this "change" and I haven't met a single Deimos pilot that doesn't think the change is a huge nerf (and defiantly not a boost!) Well, I don't think it's a boost, I think it's roles have changed. For the better or worse, well I think you've already decided that in your own mind. What I said in another thread: Quote: Well I've done a lot of testing on SiSi, and the Deimos is not worse, it's had its role changed. From being a do-or-die mini-gankthron, its not become more of a slow-burning tank ship. This means: (a) It will be much better for solo/small gang work in lowsec. but (b) It serves no real purpose in 0.0 or medium to large gangs. Basically in order to use it effectively you need 1 rep (thus removing its pure gank ability) but I personally think 2 is much better. This gives you a maximum damage potential of ions with no magstabs, and even that needs ancillary rigs. It's active tank is now incredible, but pretty mediocre damage. In summary, if this change is put through, I'll definatly use it for low sec solo or small gang work and I intend to make some fraps (some fights on sisi were epic). But for 0.0 work, stick with the Ishtar. And yes I have flown the Deimos. A lot. EDIT: I will agree however, that there are now very few setups which seem to work well. actually in the kind of gang work I usually operate (10-man gangs and so) the deimos can work well. you just need to warp in a wee bit after the rest and not being rash. --- Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Antodias North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.02.24 16:05:00 - [264] Originally by: Grimpak actually in the kind of gang work I usually operate (10-man gangs and so) the deimos can work well. you just need to warp in a wee bit after the rest and not being rash. With the new setup? I'm assuming you're still using a ganksetup? With the neutron & ion w/magstabs, it really hasnt performed well since I can't get a decent buffer tank. I'll be happy to be proved wrong though. If you can get a good gang setup with decent damage I'd certainly want to try it.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.24 16:11:00 - [265] Edited by: Grimpak on 24/02/2008 16:12:07 Originally by: Antodias Originally by: Grimpak actually in the kind of gang work I usually operate (10-man gangs and so) the deimos can work well. you just need to warp in a wee bit after the rest and not being rash. With the new setup? I'm assuming you're still using a ganksetup? With the neutron & ion w/magstabs, it really hasnt performed well since I can't get a decent buffer tank. I'll be happy to be proved wrong though. If you can get a good gang setup with decent damage I'd certainly want to try it. no, the old neutron 3 MFS + SAR II + DCU + expl hardener + 2 trimarks. the new setup will pretty much be meh, since the ship will lose it's role and there will be more ganky ships out there (the new zealot in gank mode will actually beat the new deimos) --- Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Ares Helix Gallente NunyaBizzness Phobos Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.26 10:50:00 - [266] 5/4/6 /signed. Tankin in a mos is all good, and tbh, a tank plus its damage is acceptable. Thing is, if you do, you're often left with a hole for explosive damage to get through and cut back dps... Now I can see that their tryin to make it more either or with the change of things, but again, I have to agree, ain't broke, don't fix... To my knowlege the Deimos has had more nerfs than most other ships, seems every year they try to make it sumin different. Which begs the question: why fiddle if you changed it last time? Sigh, guess I'll drop off the stab, but tbh, it's dps will blow if I do. Maybe instead of tryin to mess with people's ships the can do sumin to fix the suicide gank fest that high sec is fast becoming?
Magazaki	Posted - 2008.02.26 11:44:00 - [267] Edited by: Magazaki on 26/02/2008 11:46:43 5/4/6... Can we make it 5/6/4 for the eagle as well? A 5/5/4 for the Moa? While we're at it, can we also move the harpy's and all the rest useless utility highslots to mids/lows? Everybody, and I mean everybody that knows right from left would prefer to have mids or lows instead of utility highslots. I don't know why they're there if noone wants them, but they are there for most ships, so I'd say get over it and propose a different change. If something like this happens to the deimos, I can guarrantee at least 3 forums (S&M -that's ships and modules you pervert, not the other kind of S&M- Game Developement and Features and Ideas) filling up with "Move the useless highslot from XXX ship to a mid/low slot". Make no mistake, I am neither for nor against the deimos change. Whatever suits you. Or even some different change. But this "make 6/3/6 to 5/4/6" proposal is a little, well, overpowered... Not to say unfair. -----sig----- Originally by: Kaemonn:Signature Originally by: kieron: off duty You dont have to swallow! Win...
Miranda Ceres	Posted - 2008.02.26 11:52:00 - [268] 6/3/6 with an extra turret hardpoint pls x
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.26 14:32:00 - [269] So much fail in this thread. This reminds me of all the people saying that torps got nerfed. WTS: Clue. /makes fart noise
Phil Miller Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.02.26 16:05:00 - [270] Nos + extra mid = Deimos that doesn't die after 1 minute. 6/5/4 = win. ______________________________________

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