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Enkilil Minmatar Carbon Moon Corporation	Posted - 2008.02.03 15:49:00 - [121] Originally by: ChalSto Dear CCP, would YOU please, for the love of god, employ only Devs, who actually PLAY the game? Kind regards PS: 5/4/6 ^THIS Pretty simple stuff right? The Deimos finally got the love it deserved and they want to hose it in some other way. I agree, the devs no longer know wtf they're doing, and by the looks of it, have never piloted one. The Phobos doesn't live up to the MISSLE based storyline, The Deimos is finally good and they want to break it again. The Thorax hull was one of the reasons I loved this game, I actually prefer the Vigilant to my Deimos in most cases (exclude PvE, yes you can rat nicely in a Deimos).
Shereza	Posted - 2008.02.04 03:58:00 - [122] Let me see if I understand this correctly. Taking a mid slot from the eos and giving it a low slot was done to make it more survivable. Taking a low slot from the deimos and giving it a mid slot is supposed to make it more survivable. ........... Right then, so they're going to make the deimos more survivable while active tanking. At the same time they make it less survivable while passive armor tanking. At the same time they make it more of a "SOLOWTFPWNMOBILE" than it already is. At the same time they are apparently not doing anything to modify energy neutralizers and, in fact, by modifying this ship to accomodate MWD + web + scramble + injector are effectively stating that they expect cap injectors to be mandatory equipment on PvP ships. Can't we just get a 10% across the board power grid reduction in all ships and have cap injects built into them? I mean seriously, this would be a much better change if CCP is going to make it so or state that cap injectors are mandatory gear than mucking with the deimos' slots. ____________________ Behold the universal power of duct tape.
Gallen Cross Gallente Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.02.04 04:45:00 - [123] Edited by: Gallen Cross on 04/02/2008 04:44:59 please for the love of all things holy and good, leave well enough alone...the deimos is fine like it is.. for Gods sake you r giving the zealot the extra high slot and that is a good move.. dont go and ruin it by making a bad move like this. ________________________________________________ I am not smart enough to make a sig, nor do I care... Why am I even putting this here?
Creamster Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2008.02.04 04:55:00 - [124] You think this change is bad, just wait till the genius behind it slaps a shield boosting bonus on a vagabond. ___________ In Petition we trust
Amos Sommers Gallente The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.02.04 05:03:00 - [125] As a dedicated Gallente pilot I am very disappointed by this idea of CCP's. From day one, Deimos has suffered, because of it's fitting limitations. Deimos may have the highest DPS of all HAC's, however it lacks the power grid to support it. I understand the concept of suicide fits that feature do-or-die setup (no repairer), but to work with that kind of fitting Deimos also needs more Armor which it lacks. Finally we have the useless 6th Hi-Slot - what is the point of that I wonder? Because with most setups, even with PG rigs there is no room for a medium NOS... Now the dev post said.. that the Deimos lacks the energy capacity to support it's fits.. so they REMOVE the bonus that increases capacitor (logic failure?) and add medium slot so we can fit Capacitor Boosters. So now not only do we have less energy to work with, we also need more power grid to fit a Medium Capacitor Booster to compensate for this lack... ... again logical failure? I do think so.. EVE of War.
Trind2222 Amarr Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.02.04 06:22:00 - [126] The rep bonus make me cry Do not change the deimos is good as it is. I don't know what say to make ccp leave it alone but hope they do leave it alone.
Zephyr Rengate Racketeers	Posted - 2008.02.04 07:19:00 - [127] 5/4/6 + CPU + PG +cargo bay then i'm a happy bunny. How many people are gonna fly a brutix instead of a Deimos now?
Wardeneo Gallente N.E.O NEW EVE ORDER Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.02.04 09:19:00 - [128] Edited by: Wardeneo on 04/02/2008 09:25:32 restore high, med adn lows slots back to normal (maybe adding in the extra med on top for such stupidity as for removing a low in the first place , keep the extra pg added, simple , this would please all deimos pilots i believe :) on a serious note go bk 2 6 lows, keep 4 meds adn go 5 highs (i dont care about the last high, all u can fit is a small nos and i have a med cap booster) also give it 1000pg, its only 10 extra pg, but it makes for a more even number and maybe another 5m/s or some more cargo space? - for more cap charges :) wardeneo If brute force doesn't work..... your not using enough :)
Wardeneo Gallente N.E.O NEW EVE ORDER Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.02.04 09:26:00 - [129] Edited by: Wardeneo on 04/02/2008 09:26:52 Originally by: Solomon XI Dear CCP: I don't fly a Deimos yet. But I've been training for one. This change effects me. Do you really want to help the Deimos? I mean, really help the Deimos? And not screw it completely over like your current idea's would? Do this. 5 High Slots 4 Mid Slots 6 Low Slots +Powergrid +CPU +Cargo Room Keep the Rep Bonus Properly Calculate The Cap Change (Instead of +250, do +500) Decrease the Cap Recharge Time Slightly. this person read my mind, i feel an idiot for posting the same thing in my comment lol wardeneo If brute force doesn't work..... your not using enough :)
Ishtar1 Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.04 10:10:00 - [130] Edited by: Ishtar1 on 04/02/2008 10:10:56 seriously ccp wtf this is mearly gona push more peeps towards the ishtar then you will nerf that eventualy and gallente hacs will be a laughing stock Have you not considered that alot of people who fly the deimos do so for the reasons you are about to take away. This is making the deimos a tanking orintated ship.... you know thats something i never thought i would hear myself say. The deimos does not tank if it does its a passive tank its a D...P...S ship jeeeez 1 Low < 1 Med

Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.04 11:03:00 - [131] Deimos high moved to low for win. Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions! I believe rats should avoid you if you have high standing with them.
Durethia Momentum. The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.02.04 11:06:00 - [132] CCP, please don't gimp the Deimos. It's doing fine. No one is complaining about it, from either side. 1) No one is complaining about it being over-powered 2) No one is complaining about it being under-powered You finally fixed the ship (long after threads reaching into the thousands), please don't touch it! Messing with it, as the environment stands currently, can only have one possible outcome, you break it.
ChalSto Divine Retribution Divine 0rder	Posted - 2008.02.04 14:36:00 - [133] "Hi, my name is Dev XY. I dont play the game yet, but I think certain ships should be changed, becouse I know all parts of the game yet (becouse i¦ve eaten wissdom with the spoon) and becouse I¦m a Dev." CCP, seriously.....fire these guys and bring Tux back PS: 5/4/6 Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb
Autumn Skryf	Posted - 2008.02.04 16:50:00 - [134] Ship seems fine to me. There's some whining here but it appears to be a vocal minority.
Maeltstome Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.04 17:53:00 - [135] Em... it's getting a 4th mid, meaning cap booster? Jeezo - take of the Neutrons and use your head. ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF
Maeltstome Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.04 17:55:00 - [136] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate 5/4/6 + CPU + PG +cargo bay + overpowered. ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF
Aston Gulliver Gallente Kudzu Collective Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.04 17:58:00 - [137] I've been a deimos pilot for a little over a year. I quit flying the ship 2 months ago. Its a primary bucket and doesn't have the defenses to justify its role. While I think this "buff" was well intentioned, the slot layout is less than optimal. To be frank, if you don't gank the target, a single medium rep isn't going to save you. 2-3 mag stabs on a deimos is a must for this which leave 2-3 low slots for tanking (assuming the new changes on sisi as well as assuming you've double grid rigged the thing to fit neutrons, cap injector, micro and a medium rep). The rep bonus does not solve the deimos' inability to tank, and the loss of a low slot compounds the issue. How about changing the rep bonus to a resist bonus? It would benefit both active and passive tanking. The high --> low slot change would be welcome as well.
Zubakis Bambooule Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.04 18:04:00 - [138] Since the introduction of lag and blobs, active tanking doesn't work very well CCP This change sucks. -- Zuba
Rainsdon Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.02.04 18:05:00 - [139] - 5/4/6 - Keep the added bonus. /Signed
Spenz Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.02.04 18:18:00 - [140] Originally by: Rainsdon - 5/4/6 - Keep the added bonus. /Signed Ick no. The new bonuses suck. Where will you get the grid for a repper and cap booster? Also, did you know that the deimos now has LESS cap than before without the mwd bonus? Of course if you just don't fit a mwd then you get more cap. Because Im sure ccp KNOWS that people fit AB's on their deimos, just like they fit medium armor reppers. If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...

Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.02.04 20:03:00 - [141] To see this in an objective non whine happy point of view : Rep bonus is ok, but having one less low slots means either one less resist or dmg slot. So basically having a repair setup about as good as before this change if you take out one resist mod, or having less dps by removing a dmg mod but a better tank. No mwd bonus is ok, they beefed up the base cap, fools. Cap wasn't too bad before, unless cap neuted. Now we can have plenty cap to run a rep or even two, but i wonder with a 5 slot armor tank if its going to be enough. Hope they did the math right.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.04 20:08:00 - [142] Edited by: Grimpak on 04/02/2008 20:08:26 Originally by: Trevor Warps To see this in an objective non whine happy point of view : Rep bonus is ok, but having one less low slots means either one less resist or dmg slot. So basically having a repair setup about as good as before this change if you take out one resist mod, or having less dps by removing a dmg mod but a better tank. No mwd bonus is ok, they beefed up the base cap, fools. Cap wasn't too bad before, unless cap neuted. Now we can have plenty cap to run a rep or even two, but i wonder with a 5 slot armor tank if its going to be enough. Hope they did the math right. it ends up with less cap with the changes, if you fit a mwd. it also has cargo big enough for 8 800 cap charges and 1000 units of ammo, wich means 1, maybe 2 fights and it's time to return to base because you have run dry of cap charges and ammo. but tbh I like the deimos as it is now. why change it? --- planetary interaction idea!
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.02.04 20:14:00 - [143] Originally by: Grimpak it ends up with less cap with the changes, if you fit a mwd. it also has cargo big enough for 8 800 cap charges and 1000 units of ammo, wich means 1, maybe 2 fights and it's time to return to base because you have run dry of cap charges and ammo. but tbh I like the deimos as it is now. why change it? Bit less cap aint that bad now with an injector. And room for 2 fights is fine, you wont make it to the 2nd fight with the current Deimos. I like the Deimos atm, but it would be better with more defense. I think they are trying to go that route. Because tbh, now it is just a 100m toy that goes pop real quick.
Jennae Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.02.04 20:18:00 - [144] but the repp bonus with make it so much better for missions!!!! /sarcasm
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.04 20:21:00 - [145] Originally by: Trevor Warps Originally by: Grimpak it ends up with less cap with the changes, if you fit a mwd. it also has cargo big enough for 8 800 cap charges and 1000 units of ammo, wich means 1, maybe 2 fights and it's time to return to base because you have run dry of cap charges and ammo. but tbh I like the deimos as it is now. why change it? Bit less cap aint that bad now with an injector. And room for 2 fights is fine, you wont make it to the 2nd fight with the current Deimos. I like the Deimos atm, but it would be better with more defense. I think they are trying to go that route. Because tbh, now it is just a 100m toy that goes pop real quick. nor you will after the changes aswell, since you'll be pretty much in half armor when you reach optimal and no enhanced repper can repair that in the time that you try to finish up the guy. it's not a good change tbh. I like my glass cannon as it is --- planetary interaction idea!
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.02.04 20:25:00 - [146] Originally by: Grimpak nor you will after the changes aswell, since you'll be pretty much in half armor when you reach optimal and no enhanced repper can repair that in the time that you try to finish up the guy. it's not a good change tbh. I like my glass cannon as it is Still can fit a 800mm plate, mwd, inject and some guns as it is now. Can't make everyone happy, i can see my Deimos getting harder to kill ... but will do tickle dmg. But I dont like to have like 10 gallente ships with a rep bonus ...
Prez21 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.04 22:10:00 - [147] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Varshyll Simply remove one high slot and put a med slot instead : _Gank Deimos wil be better, with a tracking comp or a sensor booster _Tank (?) Deimos will be available, with electron/cap booster/Mar Do NOT touch to bonuses, grid/cpu/capa. Demious is great with the change. Stop playing eve 2006 fitouts. Its 2008 and game balance has changed a lot and deimos would be obsolete without the change. Keep the utility slot for deimos as it is required. What is difference between 2006 pvp and 2008 pvp? plz explain I think your just a whining troll, who has no idea about actualy pvp in game and just uses eft to make whine threads about ships that you probably have very little real fleet or gang pvp experience with
Prez21 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.04 22:18:00 - [148] The entire change is rubbish, both the new slot layout and the new bonus, for the love of god ccp fire the moron who is making these changes and get someone who nows how to play the game before its to late
Gort Storm Guard Elite	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:13:00 - [149] Originally by: Xequecal Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Xequecal The Deimos has 1625 base capacitor now. You got your MWD cap bonus FOR FREE, WITHOUT even having to fit a MWD. You get a free bonus and you're whining about it. Typical Gallente. no I don't. I still have less cap than I have now (1719) BASE capacitor. That's BEFORE Engineering. The Deimos' current base cap is 1375. God damn. Tell, em, citizen. -- When in doubt, empty the magazine.
asdaghsrawfvas	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:28:00 - [150] Sorry i seem to be blind, anyone have linky to were the changes are?



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