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smudgewales
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Posted - 2004.03.28 02:20:00 -
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I heard back a while ago there were some advanced learning skills coming out that would give you another point per attribute per level. I'm afraid to ask when they might actually be coming of if they are at all. If i asked the devs in a chat I imagine they would just say "Soon" tm . If any dev reads this post though I highly doubt any devs even look at the forums with their busy schedule of nerfing the game but if one does please add the advanced learning skills in next patch.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.03.28 07:06:00 -
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I dunno when these Advanced Learning Skills will be out but people can view what they are called (tentatively) at www.eve-db.com
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.03.28 15:35:00 -
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Yeah, getting Advanced learning skills would be awesome for some of us. They should be easy to implement, come on Devs! 
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Carfax
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Posted - 2004.03.28 17:10:00 -
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should also probably be a high rank and ridiculous amounts of time to get to lvl 5 plus the higher your attributes get the less an increase of +1 has. Adding +1 to an attribute of hmm 14 or 15 gave me only 3 hours off a 5.5 day learning time.
Likewise i reckon replacing your basic implant with a standard implant is probably a waste of 20 million but might teach you not to go spending 20 million on such things in future
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.03.28 18:59:00 -
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According to Eve-db, the advanced learning skills are at rank 3, which mean that going from Eidetic Memory Lv 4, for example, to lv 5 would require more than 600 000 experience points. It would litterally take years before this training could give us a benefit worth the time needed to train it.
Besides, each has as prerequisite the corresponding standard learning skill at lv 5, which mean a minimum of investment.
Theses numbers aren't definitive, of course, but it seem pretty much balanced to me.
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Zinjan
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Posted - 2004.03.28 20:36:00 -
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I hope that advanced learning skills will soon be out. Lots of new skills came out already need to get to do some faster training 
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.03.29 01:21:00 -
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should also probably be a high rank and ridiculous amounts of time to get to lvl 5 plus the higher your attributes get the less an increase of +1 has.
Why bother adding the skill then, if you're going to nerf it so hard that getting the skill is worse than not getting it?
You're already looking at a close to 1-year (!) return time on Learning 5, and you want to make that kind of return EVEN WORSE for the advanced learning skills. Great idea.
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Rinji
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Posted - 2004.03.29 04:32:00 -
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Edited by: Rinji on 29/03/2004 04:34:06
There are a lot of variables that go into each person's calc, so working out a general result is a pain, but for me training an attribute from basic 4 to advanced 4 will pay for itself after around 55 days of training a skill with that attribute as its primary attribute.
It's not going to be a good idea to train up all the advanced skills, but for attributes that matter to you only a very silly person wouldn't train them.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.03.29 05:39:00 -
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There are a lot of variables that go into each person's calc, so working out a general result is a pain, but for me training an attribute from basic 4 to advanced 4 will pay for itself after around 55 days of training a skill with that attribute as its primary attribute.
Where'd you get that info from, especially since Advanced training skills aren't in-game yet, and the info in the eve DB is likely just placeholder data? :)
Anyway, that's for single-stat boosting skills, which have a much faster recovery time than Learning itself. The Learning skill has a terrible recovery time.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2004.03.29 11:27:00 -
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Another thing to consider is that they will probably be available at 40 million each - the price the RPM skill was!
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Rinji
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Posted - 2004.03.29 16:52:00 -
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There are a lot of variables that go into each person's calc, so working out a general result is a pain, but for me training an attribute from basic 4 to advanced 4 will pay for itself after around 55 days of training a skill with that attribute as its primary attribute.
Where'd you get that info from, especially since Advanced training skills aren't in-game yet, and the info in the eve DB is likely just placeholder data? :)
Anyway, that's for single-stat boosting skills, which have a much faster recovery time than Learning itself. The Learning skill has a terrible recovery time.
Well of corse my cals are based off the eve-db data, and if that changes my cals will be wrong. Still they seem reasonable- higher then rank 3 is too much IMHO.
True, Learning itself has a longer payoff, but there is no "Advanced Learning" skill in eve-db, just Advanced attribute skills, if you know what I mean. So who cares about Learning's payoff?
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Dark Stranger
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Posted - 2004.03.29 17:43:00 -
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Getting an advanced learning skill to lvl 4 would definately be worth it I would think.
There are currently tons of skills that people consider not worth getting to lvl 5. (cybernetics anyone?)
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Carfax
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Posted - 2004.03.29 18:52:00 -
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so even though an advanced learning skill learnt from lvl 4 to lvl 5 will probably only save you a matter of a few minutes a week you still think it'll be worth it ?
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.03.30 10:04:00 -
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Depending on your attributes yes. The lower your attributes are, the more of an effect increasing them by one point will have. Going from 20 to 21 would give about a 5% increase...I think. One of the math nuts can probably tell us all better. going from 10 to 11 will be about 10%. The thing is, even 5% is very noticable when you have a skill that takes several weeks to finish.
With that in mind, if and when advanced learning skills come out I'll be getting them as soon as I can afford them. will probably only train them to level 4, but even if you have 20+ in a skill, adding 4 points to it will make a noticable difference in training times.
Otherwise, why would people bother to buy those +3 implants? High cost, lost if you are podded...whats the benefit? Oh yeah, huge decreases in training times =)
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Rick
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Posted - 2004.03.31 18:12:00 -
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I can personally see absolutely no reason not to bring out an advanced learning skill. You already have a large range of skills that require another at level 5 to train (refining drones etc) By bringing out an advanced learning skill with learning 5 a prereq you even give the newer members a chance to get a skill boost and make some headway towards the older players. If you can get refinery efficiency that gives 4% more ore then there is no reason not to give a 3/4% boost with advanced learning, get it done CCP
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.04.03 09:23:00 -
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Advanced learning skills should have learning 5 as requirement and the same attribute skill at lvl 4.
It does not help any new players to have to train up to 50 days to get all their learning skills to lvl 5.
And yes it can take so long for a new player to train from lvl 4 to lvl 5 if he distrabuted his attributes wrongly.
And implants should not be calculated in this.
And the cost should not be more than 1 million ISK for each skill.
Advanced learning skill are so way much more usefull for new players than it will ever be for us with 10+ million sp.
If it costs to much and has to much skill requirements then the skill becomes useless.
Its just for attributes and wont make you any isk in the future.
Comparing advanced learning skills to research project management skill at 40 million is is ridicilous to say the least, RPM can make you billions of ISK, learning skills wont ever make you a profit.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2004.04.03 10:44:00 -
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1. The advanced learning skills aren't meant for newbies, they are meant for us with very high learning in the first place.
2. the skill "Learning" which gives the category it's name, gives a training boost based on an increase to the payout on your primary and secondary attribute. It does not give a 2% boost like it say in description (or whatever)
3. The skill is like Drones and Drone Interfacing. Both skills does the same, and the latter then logically requires the first. If the skills did different things, it'd be OK to forsake a level in one of them.
4. Of course it take time for a n00b to train the skills up to level 5. Why shouldn't it? It took me, with immense amounts of Int and Memory days for each skill! It'll take me shorter time to get the advanced learning skills because I have a head start.
Also, it'll take n00bs (and anyone else) much longer to get advanced learning skills if they don't have good Mem and Int. It's not like I am complaining that Battleship skill is Rank 8, now do I? Or that it will take me an immense amount of time to get Battlecrusier. I forsook Perception and Willpower on char creation after all.
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Achec
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Posted - 2004.04.03 19:28:00 -
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get it out, thats all i have to say... if you only got one thing out there, get this out. asap.
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Ayako
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Posted - 2004.04.03 20:13:00 -
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I agree, they should really release the adv. learning skills as soon as possible, already, the training times are getting longer and longer and it would be a nice reward to those that spent a lot of time training their learning skills. I see no real reason to hold back the release of those skills.
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Cain Calzon
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Posted - 2004.04.03 21:55:00 -
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maybe the advanced learning skills are for coming skills with rank 10-20 maybe?
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Soren
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Posted - 2004.04.03 23:41:00 -
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AFAIK rank 12 is the highestm i doubt the rank will be above 6 for these skills, otherwise it will be completly useless to train above level 3.
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Kular
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Posted - 2004.04.04 08:20:00 -
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Whatever the rank or cause of these may be I agree with everyone in "get these out!" I can't wait to have 30 willpower and 20 perception!!! ( interceptor skill would train to lvl 1 instantly lol)
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Cain Calzon
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Posted - 2004.04.04 11:16:00 -
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AFAIK rank 12 is the highestm i doubt the rank will be above 6 for these skills, otherwise it will be completly useless to train above level 3.
rank12 is atm the highest, but how do u know that ccp wont change that in 1-2 years from now? and so they need to release new learning skills so it wont take ages just to pass lvl2-3
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2004.04.05 16:42:00 -
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Making the advanced learning skills more than rank 5 would effectively null the gain to train to level 4. They will not benefit you enough that you should train to level 5, really, as you'd gain so preacious little training time compared to what you spent learning nothing new.
The Rank is a multiplier number which determines how many skillpoints is required for next level. Rank 12 may be the highest rank skill, but there is no real limit to the rank.
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