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Takon Orlani
GHOST RANGERS Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.02 17:23:00 -
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I did it just fine in my Drake, mostly cause it's not an active tank.
I popped the scramblers, then the NOS towers, the rest was a cakewalk. It took about 30 mins to KILL the NOS towers, but it happened anyways.
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Aiza Qraz
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.04.02 21:01:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Aiza Qraz on 02/04/2008 21:01:55
Dear god....
After reading all the tales of impending doom concerning step 5 of this mission, i figured i needed to go all out on the passive tank
I also went as far as to insureing my drake, just in case.
I am now seriously considering a self destruct!
Warped in, started popping the drones ( leaving all the diff towers till later).
Cap gone in a couple of minutes more or less.
Killed all drones, popped the big one, got the mission item, and started popping the towers one by one, killing off the spawns after each.
My shield never got below 60%! sigh!
I had more problems on part 2 of this chain tbh.
Either they nerfed it, or.. heck i dont know.
NB: My setup was purely tech 1, no rigs, and pretty much all relevant skills at lvl 4.
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Dotries
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.04.03 12:47:00 -
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No I didn't read this entire thread. I wish to support the OP.
It is bad enough that EvE turned into a "Blob or be Blobbed" place, but now CCP have made the missions blob you worse than a gate camp.
I speak of LvL 4 Worlds Collide. Everything I read says in the 2nd room if you shoot only the 2 spies the 50 other ships will not aggro you and you can run for the gate.
Bull$#1t. I lost 2 'phoons in here as soon as I enter the 2nd room I'm aggro'd by everything, scrammed by 3, webbed by 3 and pounded on by everything in the room.
Even with 2 active rat specific hardeners of each of 2 damage types (4 all together) with resists of 81 and 82 and a lrg repper my ships went down faster than you did on prom night.
This game gets more and more borked as time goes on. They really ought to change the name from EvE online to blobs online.
Bring back the old days (about a year ago) when you could find solo roamers all over the place and get into some fun and challenging fights with others. Those days are gone now and it's about nothing other than Blob warfare. In PvP AND PvE. (Really it's BvB Blob vs. Blob and PvB Player vs. Blob)
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Stupid Monkey.
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Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.04.03 14:03:00 -
[94]
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I lost my ship
stuff
I think it's about time missions got back to the way they were before Revelations. I remember when missions like the Right Hand of Zazzmataz were HARD. They dumbed down missions so much with their 'need for speed' initiative, that now its more like mining than anything else. Well, it's exactly like mining in a CNR.
Activate boosters, Target target target, f1-f8, grab coffee, target target target...
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Pwett
CEO, Founder, & Executor
<Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Dotries
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Posted - 2008.04.04 00:45:00 -
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Missions being "hard" wouldn't be a problem if you had a fighting chance. This isn't so if you don't have a CNR or some other mega-overpowered tanking ship. A few or six baddies with very challenging stats would be fine. You can pew-pew long as you can and warp off if need to. Throw in 1 or 3 scrammers and webbers to make it more interesting, fine.
Tenty five to thirty ships or so all withing firing range soon as to exit the accel gate is a bit much. To figgin' much.
I started doing missions just for some sembilance (<--is that even a word? ) of fun since getting blobbed 10 or more to my one trying PvP, for almost a goddamn year, just is not fun whatsoever. Missions were fine and fun until the stupid Worlds Collide came up in a lvl 4 and that was just like going thru a gate into a 20 ship bubble camp. You're dead and not a frickin' thing you can do about it.
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Stupid Monkey.
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suzie stormbringer
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Posted - 2008.04.04 06:09:00 -
[96]
I run active tank battleship in level4 missions. Them nos towers would kill my cap. Please keep new frontiers a level3 mission
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Zifrian
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Posted - 2008.04.04 06:45:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Zifrian on 04/04/2008 06:49:57
I just ran this mission the other day.
Yeah, it's a bit tough for a level 3 mission. Probably the hardest of the level 3's out there. If there wasn't the recent change to showing icons in the UI for warp scrambling, I'd be out a few ships.
The neut towers were kind of a pain, but I figured out quickly I had to take them down. I just sent in 5 heavy drones and let them agro all the drones in the area. When one died, I sent in a fresh one (I was in a Dominix I'm not sure I could do it in a Myrm)
The one thing that makes this a bit easier is to equip a smartbomb (just watch for the beacons). If you can tank it long enough, you can take out most of them and it's not as hard.
I liked the mission since I got to mine some Gneiss on one part and the plush compound and other drone poo was nice to get in high sec.
My biggest problem with the mission is that the faction gain and rewards are not in line with it's difficulty. I think the total faction gain for me (social 5) was like 10% for the total chain. The 5th step (the one with the 4 neut towers and probably 30 drones) was pretty damn hard and I think I got 3%? It's fine to keep it as is but bump up the faction gain some.
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Kharnakh
Amarr
Acheron Imperial Ascendancy
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Posted - 2008.05.09 17:17:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Koraeth
If the towers are draining your cap too fast, are you built out right? I've got 3 ccc risgs, 3 cap recharger 2's in mids, and 2 cap relays in low slots. Makes for a ton of recharge capability.
I just did this mission today, in an abaddon, and never had a problem with the 5th stage. As Koraeth said above, you just have to have the cap recharge to cope, I'd read that killing the towers spawns a ton of drones with some warp scramblers etc, so i just left them alone, tanked the cap loss from them and killed the small groups of drones as they spawned. The BS drone will come out and chase you, but if you drag him far enough, you can kill and loot him without having to get in flag range of spawn point for the little ones. 'tis nifty.
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.09 17:49:00 -
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Ypu, warp in, fly away and wait for the BS drone to follow you out to like 100k away fromt he towers, pop it and loot it and fly home.
It's better if you have an all passive loadout because, I dunno, when i got that mission first, I was pretty far away from fitting a BS with 3 CCCs and T2 cap recharge stuff.
Maybe bring a cap injector on an active setup and fire that up when you're taking down the BS.
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Subedai
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Posted - 2008.05.10 08:39:00 -
[100]
Anyone else think its strange that a mission thats supposed to be balanced for a CRUISER needs BS or BC to succeed in?
Bitter zealot pilot that got wtfpwned by not being able to pop the scramblers coz the neuts are to overpowered. |
Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.10 08:50:00 -
[101]
Lvl 3 aren't for cruisers are they?
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vrutex
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Posted - 2008.05.10 09:07:00 -
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i finished this mission with myrmidon, give u the trick, warp in, do not hit the neut tower, wait till all agro, left 5 ur light drone inside pocket. warp out.
When u back u will see, that neut tower is Nosing ur drones, then u need to take out all npc that not agro on you make sure ur drone still be Nosing by tower.
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.10 09:14:00 -
[103]
Heh, that's a neat trick.
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Crellion
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.10 10:54:00 -
[104]
Done with Cerb with semi passive and HAMs (too bored to change to HMs) ... noticed it was difficult after I had finished it tbh...
I would suggest to all mission runners to do pvp for 2-3 months hardcore and then go back to their missioning. There are no hard missions and no need for speacial set ups. I usually find any tank and gank set up copes well with missions and omni tanks are always enough no reason for uber special tanks.
PvP will teach you situational awareness and keeping your options open. There are no difficult missions tbh.
Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |
Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.10 10:58:00 -
[105]
There's a large difference between the 2...
If you PvE for 2-3 months, you wont find any missions hard either anymore.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.05.10 11:09:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Crellion
Done with Cerb with semi passive and HAMs (too bored to change to HMs) ... noticed it was difficult after I had finished it tbh...
I would suggest to all mission runners to do pvp for 2-3 months hardcore and then go back to their missioning. There are no hard missions and no need for speacial set ups. I usually find any tank and gank set up copes well with missions and omni tanks are always enough no reason for uber special tanks.
PvP will teach you situational awareness and keeping your options open. There are no difficult missions tbh.
(Sorry I couldn't think of a more appropriate response.)
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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Joe
Umbra Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.10 15:00:00 -
[107]
http://eve-survival.org/missions
If your not familiar with a mission, read it before you start. You should allready know tis from lvl4's, or you would have been on earlier with whines about how shooting 'sansha spy' cuased an entire room to agro you and it was 'no fair'
New frontiers is litrially one of the only (the only?) mission that has a bright coloured warning saying 'Bring a friend'
I have plenty of friends and corp mates that have lost BC to this mission, even a couple of BS. It was becuase they didnt pay attention and didnt research the mission.
you should have a nice insurance payout fom the tech 1 bs, atleast enough to fit a 'Geddon and continue the 3's, hopefully learning from the mistake.
If there was no warning on this mission i think your concern would be valid.
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Crellion
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.10 17:25:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Wet Ferret
Originally by: Crellion
Done with Cerb with semi passive and HAMs (too bored to change to HMs) ... noticed it was difficult after I had finished it tbh...
I would suggest to all mission runners to do pvp for 2-3 months hardcore and then go back to their missioning. There are no hard missions and no need for speacial set ups. I usually find any tank and gank set up copes well with missions and omni tanks are always enough no reason for uber special tanks.
PvP will teach you situational awareness and keeping your options open. There are no difficult missions tbh.
(Sorry I couldn't think of a more appropriate response.)
You can roll your eyes all day but the amount of BSs and BCs that people have confessed losing to rats in this thread is ridiculous.
+ to the guy above: They have stauff like 3-4 available passive tanked Drakes at their hangers so they have been PvE ing for 2-3 months and yet that has not trully opened their eyes bless them, judging by the result.
I would not demean the advice I gave here if I were you it can help a lot of people.
Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |
Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.10 17:54:00 -
[109]
I have never lost a single ship ever since I tried to do recon lvl 2 in a caracal, attempting to kill everything.
The first time I ran into this mission, I didn't know what to expect, I just went about it as I did with every mission and it worked. My hardeners were off yes but my shield held and I was able to finish it the first time I did it.
I've been doing lvl 4 in an active non perma tank raven and I have never touched armour once unless I desynched or desconnected, which happened once so far.
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Avo Daith
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Posted - 2008.05.11 11:28:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Pwett
Quote:
I lost my ship
stuff
I think it's about time missions got back to the way they were before Revelations. I remember when missions like the Right Hand of Zazzmataz were HARD. They dumbed down missions so much with their 'need for speed' initiative, that now its more like mining than anything else. Well, it's exactly like mining in a CNR.
Activate boosters, Target target target, f1-f8, grab coffee, target target target...
I don't think missions have become easier with need for speed, particularly. Has it occured to you that you are finding things easier because your skills got better?
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.11 13:00:00 -
[111]
Well missions aren't supposed to be something else than mining I think. It''s supposed to be a way of making ISK, nothing more, nothing less. Besides that, missions bring new ISK into the game.
They're not supposed to be uber challenging I think.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.05.11 13:10:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Hanneshannes
Well missions aren't supposed to be something else than mining I think. It''s supposed to be a way of making ISK, nothing more, nothing less. Besides that, missions bring new ISK into the game.
They're not supposed to be uber challenging I think.
That's exactly it. Missions are not to challenge the player. The hard part is finding the best combination for max DPS / minimum tank. And when you have that efficient setup, that's where the risk comes in because you actually need to be careful.
People who fly hyper-tanked ships into missions and say they are easy are too mentally deficient to realize that they're doing it entirely wrong in the first place.
And a 3-billion faction BS should sleep through missions. All day long.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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Bytaless
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:30:00 -
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I did all the chain once ! And after that, when i got a new mission, new frontiers again. But this second time i lost my binger in the 5th mission.
I believe the key to this mission is a fully passive drake with 2 large extenfders and 4 passive hardeners, each for every resistance, lvl 5 battlecruiser skill, and 3 shiled purgers and a few decent skills !
So now im training for that drake !
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:49:00 -
[114]
Whaa, when I did that mission (Just by shooting stuff) I didn't have T2 gear or BC5 and only 1 purger.
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Bytaless
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Posted - 2008.05.14 18:17:00 -
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U can warp out with capacitor zero !
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.14 18:55:00 -
[116]
Yes.
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vrutex
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Posted - 2008.05.15 07:05:00 -
[117]
the point is dont let the neut tower target u, other is easy try to left drone inside u can finish it use any ship.
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Ron Delgen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.15 20:12:00 -
[118]
Alright, I beat this mission in a active/passive tanked Drake. I only have 3.7 mill. skill points. I only had to warp out once and that was during the fifth part of the mission. It's tough yes, but even a 3 month old can beat this mission.
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.05.16 02:42:00 -
[119]
Missions are way too easy imo. This one stands out as actually challenging, and that's not a bad thing at all. This mission isn't impossible, it's not even close to impossible. It's just not mind-numbingly easy like most missions.
If you fail at the game, just decline this mission. Otherwise, enjoy it.
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.16 03:31:00 -
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Theyre not meant to be challenging, view mission running as mining with a skillset that's closer to PvP.
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