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Kina Putten
Amarr
Noble House
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Posted - 2008.02.12 11:30:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Gadawan
Originally by: Ofca
Edited by: Ofca on 02/02/2008 22:55:53
Do you want some cheese with your whine?
Most over used phrase ever. Makes you look like an idiot and contributes nothing.
Should be bannable tbh.
He/She is an idiot, so.....
Oh and this should be on the mission board, not here. A suped up mission isn't a bug or tech problem. It's a tank problem.
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CCP Mitnal
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Posted - 2008.02.12 19:07:00 -
[32]
Moved to Missions
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.02.12 19:47:00 -
[33]
In missions you're not familiar with, always find out what's going to be scrambling you and kill it first. Had you done this, you wouldn't have lost your ship. Even if nobody has done the mission before, if you know what faction you're up against (or drones) you can find out what to watch out for.
Nobodies fault but your own, here.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.02.12 20:19:00 -
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I actually loved this mission line. The story is amusing and the difficulty is challenging enough to require you to think about tactic for a change.
I had the mission in Amarr space, where I used a active shield tanked laser myrmidon to run it. The neutralizer towers are indeed annoying. So I tried to get out of range, which is somewhere above 100km and destroyed the drone spawns first, then i blew up all the towers. Having a lot of cap recharge also helps, or being a passive tanked drake.
This mission inspired me to ideas about a drone faction that players can join for factional warfare. 
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Ideas for:
Mining
Clouds
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nihlanth
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Posted - 2008.02.12 22:47:00 -
[35]
This was the funnest line of missions I have ever had the pleasure of running.
I just BARELY completed it in my CCC rigged pulse harbinger (switched to T2 beams for step 5 mission to take out neut towers).
I was actually fairly lucky to have made it out in one piece! I was webbed and neuted at the same time. I was firing my beams at the towers and the webbing drone.
I thought I was going to die...
My cap was at 5% and my armor was just about to goto structure...as I had two lasers firing at the drone and the other 5 firing at the tower. I managed to destroy both of them AT THE SAME TIME just as I was warping out!
I was at 90% structure and 1% cap when I warped out - if I had remained there for even 10 seconds longer, I would have capped out and my active hardners would not protect me and I would have been dust!
That is why this mission is suited to snipers equipped with webs and tracking computers, as well as cap boosters!
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nihlanth
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Posted - 2008.02.12 23:09:00 -
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This mission should not be dumbed down... I wasnt even using a capbooster on my battlecruiser and I was able to complete it in a relatively short time with just a couple warp outs.
You just need to pick your targets carefully and know how/when to shoot and manually fly your ship in a way that will give you optimal transversal.
I was flying all over the place taking out drones and nuet towers - it was fun because I actually had to think while I fought.
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nihlanth
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Posted - 2008.02.12 23:12:00 -
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Besides, a BS would actually be WORSE than a BC on this mission because the targets are so small and so fast.. You need better speed to maneuver and better tracking speed to kill the drones quickly enough in case you're in trouble.
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Rainbow Bear
Care Bears
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Posted - 2008.02.13 11:53:00 -
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Not easy, but certainally doable without any warp outs if you plan properly. First time was a bit hairy and I lost a full set of T2 Hammerheads, but the ship survived intact!
Eg:
Fit a strong omni tank.
I fly a Myrm and just pack some T1 drones (ie: disposable) and set them on the Neut towers while out at 55km.
Then just jettison some junk and orbit it at 2500m and let the T2 drones do their thing.
Pretty straight forward.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.13 13:11:00 -
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It can be done easily with a semy passive drake.
Every time you deswtroy a netralizer tower you get a new spawn of drones (and even if I didn't checked it, I had the impression the another 2 or 3 towers spawned too).
So you need to kill the drones first, then 1 tower, then the next group of drones, and so on.
That is a problem with a active tank ship or one depending from cap using weapons, but is very easy for a passive tank, no cap weapon like a drake.
So you can say it has a strong pro caldari bias, but it is not so hard.
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FlameGlow
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Posted - 2008.02.13 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
It can be done easily with a semy passive drake.
Every time you deswtroy a netralizer tower you get a new spawn of drones (and even if I didn't checked it, I had the impression the another 2 or 3 towers spawned too).
So you need to kill the drones first, then 1 tower, then the next group of drones, and so on.
That is a problem with a active tank ship or one depending from cap using weapons, but is very easy for a passive tank, no cap weapon like a drake.
So you can say it has a strong pro caldari bias, but it is not so hard.
If you kill tower and then drones and then another tower you'll lose cap and hardeners will switch off(if by semipassive drake you mean that). Better kill all towers and tank the drones, drake is capable of that. Also this is one of few missions where it's actually worth to fit a smartbomb into your drake's 8th highslot.
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Cragen o'mass
Caldari
Free trade for freedom
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Posted - 2008.02.13 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Cragen o''mass on 13/02/2008 14:12:47
this chain of missions is my new favourite TBH, this level was also quite easy after the first time (passive Invun t2 Drake).
as i had never seen this chain of missions before went to take a look in my pod saw the neut towers and came up with a plan.
kill neut towers set drones on scrammers warp out after neuts go down to recharge shields come back in to take care of other stuff, warp out when needed..
if you go in to things thinking it will be easy you ain't gong to be able to deal with the curve ball's eve throws you every now and again
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Saarjuk Khan
Caldari
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Saarjuk Khan on 13/02/2008 16:20:03
I did this mission several times now, i lost a passive drake on my first try due to the scramblers.
I think this mission is perfect as it is, as a lv3 mission. If you can handle the mission and the scramblers, neutralizers you can do lv 4s. There are so many threads: Can i do lv4s with theese skills or this ship. Its not about skills or ships only, its about if you can handle anything else but activating your weapons. And New Frontiers gives you a pretty good idea.
@OP: You obviously dont read this forum because this missions was discussed a lot already. And it can be done, you just have to adjust your fitting instead of using pwnfitting 01 for each mission.
And you said you have done lv4s before, well there is a difference bewteen actually doing a mission or hide behind some faction BS and just loot up.
Im happy to have a challenging mission and New Frontiers makes AE look like a pleasure cruise.
The only thing that could be changed is the loot, since there are T2 drones id like to see some t2 salvage or other items needed for the augmented drones. BPC maybe? ;)
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Goa Vibe
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Goa Vibe on 13/02/2008 16:45:30
Stop crying. I cried a little inside when I went in my first time. But then I got over it....
I lost two Drakes my first time in (dual boxing). Wait.... I lost 3. After I came back in quickly to loot my old wrecks. That 3rd one didn't have insurance. doh!
I came to appreciate that mission ALOT. It taught me to prepare prepare prepare. strategize strategize strategize.
1) never take active hardners when you'll be cap drained to 0 for a couple minutes by several energy neut towers. With no escape since they have range of over 150km and if you even HAD any cap, you're still warp scrammed by a bunch of strain drones.
2) maneuver. if you can't tank every single drone that just aggroed you, keep moving away from them. better to salvage a 150km line of wrecks than to salvage your own wreck because you let an entire room swarm you. (Now I have the passive tank for that, I can jsut sit still).
3) tanking vs kiting. Got this mission AGAIN a couple days later. Instead of bringing 2 drakes, I brought my drake and a condor. Condor warped in first, went away from all the mobs on AB, cruised at 450km/s after getting neut'd. Got ABs back around 160km and was kiting the entire room (kept them over 60km away). Flew the drake in and killed all the towers, then picked off the mobs one by one.
4) Kill order: this one you gotta get the neut towers down first. Then once you have freed your cap, you need to make sure you have an escape route: kill the strain drones - they scram. Now you can come and go as you please.
I think alot of people who have completed it will agree.... keep it like it is. Best learning experience evar! Even if it did cost us a ship. Once you figure it out, you'll pwn, too.
I've come to help corpies with this mission since I've done it like 4 times now. This mission screams 'passive tank drake' at a peak 238 shield/sec they barely put a dent in me.
This does seem to be difficulty of a lvl 4... but I say keep it 3 because its just so easy once you figure it out. And plus, I've seen harder rooms than this... that lvl 3 with the blood chaple? sure you can loot and run but you can also take on 2 groups of 4-5 BS, 4 BC/Cr, and a handful of frigates in a lvl 3. So like... you gonna have to make that a lvl 4 too... and it goes on and on... pretty soon everything is gonna be a lvl 4 or 5 because there is someone out there for every mission who thinks its too hard.
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MilowFV
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Posted - 2008.02.14 07:24:00 -
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I like the mission myself. It might be the hardest lvl 3 mission, but some mission has to have the honors. I went in cold with a so so skill Drake and lucked out in the fact that I blew up the drone scraming me when I tried to warp out. It was luck as I didnt know any lvl 3 did that until it told me tough luck your not warping out. After that though I knew to kill the drone scraming me and it wasnt so bad.
I dont feel the mission need any change what so ever the LP reward and the warning in the mission itself should be plenty for of info for you. If your worried a lvl 3 is to hard just dont accept any that offer over 400 LP and you should be fine.
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Saerdna16ID
Gallente
16th Interspacial Dynasty
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Posted - 2008.02.14 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Saerdna16ID on 14/02/2008 12:15:14
I have done up to stage 6 which is the courier mission. I did level 5 with my BC (Myrmidon) and was easy but time consuming.
You first equip your ship for passive tanking cause your power grid is sucked to death very very fast.
You first kill the first wave of the drones and then the battleship. while you kill the battleship 2 more waves of drones spawn. our primary target is always the drones due to the reason they warp scrable you. Once they are dead move again to BS.
Due to the lack of power grid you have to warp out a few times (I had to do it 5 times) but if you make sure the drones are dead you can warp out if not you die.
Do not move to the sentries until after you have finish the drone waves and the BS. This is because once you damage the csntries more drones spawn.
If you keep to this stradegy you will finish it with no problem. BTW I almost died to stage 3 one when I was warp scrable from the dornes that spawn after you destroy the structure which has the crazy guy. I escaped with 80% hull damage
today will try final stage 7.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.14 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: FlameGlow
Originally by: Venkul Mul
It can be done easily with a semy passive drake.
Every time you deswtroy a netralizer tower you get a new spawn of drones (and even if I didn't checked it, I had the impression the another 2 or 3 towers spawned too).
So you need to kill the drones first, then 1 tower, then the next group of drones, and so on.
That is a problem with a active tank ship or one depending from cap using weapons, but is very easy for a passive tank, no cap weapon like a drake.
So you can say it has a strong pro caldari bias, but it is not so hard.
If you kill tower and then drones and then another tower you'll lose cap and hardeners will switch off(if by semipassive drake you mean that). Better kill all towers and tank the drones, drake is capable of that. Also this is one of few missions where it's actually worth to fit a smartbomb into your drake's 8th highslot.
With semy passive I mean that I had extenders, resists and a booster.
Never used the boster as my cap was costantly 0, but I never got lower than 35-40% shield.
So it is easy for a drake. Doing the same with a armor tanker is almost impossible.
The mission is very unbalanced between shield tankers/no cap weapons (easy, especially for ship with basic high resists) and armor tankers/cap using weapins ships (hard).
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SillyWaif
Galactic Kingdom
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Posted - 2008.02.14 21:40:00 -
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As I stated in one of the other threads about this mission:
Step 5 can be very easy. I am using a passive drake and let the neutralizers drain my cap while i take out the sentry guns. I park my drake at about 70 kms out and let the missiles do the work. Once I am done with the sentries i take out the drones. They approach pretty slowly. Once they are gone you have only 1 BS left to kill, and the BS is all that is needed to accomplish the mission (for me it takes killing 3 sentries and 13 ships in total).
While the neuts still drain all the cap i slowboat to pick up the mission objective and after that warp out (short jump first due to the lack of cap but sufficient to get out of reach, regain cap and then the rest of the way).
No need to shoot the neuts (they drain cap but do NO damage) or bunkers or whatever. Shields stayed close to 100% all the time...
Really, if you don't need cap for your weaponry its easy as pie.
And the mentioned drake has 4 LSE's and 2 invuln. II's (turned off) so the resists are marginal at best... I guess most players start to panic by the neuts and by shooting them putting themselves in a jam.
I didn't get jammed/scrambled at all.
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Kalfu Arcturus
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Posted - 2008.02.16 15:08:00 -
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Wow you got to Stage 5.
Stage 4 in a freeking Raven, getting >250 Damage per second from drones - I get absolutely nowhere. Fitted two large EM smart bombs, firing full time to keep the swarm of unending drones at bay I still can't get to the BS fast enough to wreck it. I get it down to structure, and my shield is buggered - and there is no chance in hell I'm sticking around for my armour to get beat up.
3*T2 SPR, 2*T2 LSE, and 4 T1 resist fields. Guess I need 2 ravens to do this. On an L3?! Maybe a Drake would have more luck, but overall the damage is too varied to tank effectively in any direction from what I can make out..
(Yes, I should be fitting siege missiles or something but they aren't generally useful on L3s - except this one I suppose...)
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Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.16 15:21:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Kalfu Arcturus
Wow you got to Stage 5.
Stage 4 in a freeking Raven, getting >250 Damage per second from drones - I get absolutely nowhere. Fitted two large EM smart bombs, firing full time to keep the swarm of unending drones at bay I still can't get to the BS fast enough to wreck it. I get it down to structure, and my shield is buggered - and there is no chance in hell I'm sticking around for my armour to get beat up.
3*T2 SPR, 2*T2 LSE, and 4 T1 resist fields. Guess I need 2 ravens to do this. On an L3?! Maybe a Drake would have more luck, but overall the damage is too varied to tank effectively in any direction from what I can make out..
(Yes, I should be fitting siege missiles or something but they aren't generally useful on L3s - except this one I suppose...)
I ran this part quite comfortably in a passively-tanked Drake, although I was using 4 drones (not T2). Did you try using drones yourself?
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.02.16 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kalfu Arcturus
Wow you got to Stage 5.
Stage 4 in a freeking Raven, getting >250 Damage per second from drones - I get absolutely nowhere. Fitted two large EM smart bombs, firing full time to keep the swarm of unending drones at bay I still can't get to the BS fast enough to wreck it. I get it down to structure, and my shield is buggered - and there is no chance in hell I'm sticking around for my armour to get beat up.
3*T2 SPR, 2*T2 LSE, and 4 T1 resist fields. Guess I need 2 ravens to do this. On an L3?! Maybe a Drake would have more luck, but overall the damage is too varied to tank effectively in any direction from what I can make out..
(Yes, I should be fitting siege missiles or something but they aren't generally useful on L3s - except this one I suppose...)
Raven can't passive tank for crap, is your problem. Either use a Drake or fix your tank. I did part 4 in my Drake without killing anything except the Drone BS and the scramblers so I could warp off after picking up the mission item. Same thing I do with part 7 (minus the mission item).
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Kalfu Arcturus
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Posted - 2008.02.16 15:38:00 -
[51]
Active tank, with resist fields.
Using Infiltrator drones (not T2), gone through about 7 of them now :(
Just managed to finish it, the waves of drones just seem so ludicrous. There are literally hundreds. Getting assist for 5, no chance I'm soloing it.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.02.16 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kalfu Arcturus
Active tank, with resist fields.
Using Infiltrator drones (not T2), gone through about 7 of them now :(
Just managed to finish it, the waves of drones just seem so ludicrous. There are literally hundreds. Getting assist for 5, no chance I'm soloing it.
Infiltrators aren't as good as Hammerheads against drones. I guess since the majority of the drones are cruiser sized you're taking a significant DPS hit from their sig radius also. Maybe replacing a hardener with a target painter would be helpful.
In part 5 you don't even really need to tank, as long as you can kill the drones before they get too close. Might as well fit some passive hardeners though.
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Mr Abbadon
Illuminati Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.16 15:54:00 -
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Had no problem with my passived tanked rake, kill towers asap and let drones kill the scramblers. If you use active hardeners you can get into trouble. why use a bs for Lv3? a bit overkill.
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Hobbes277
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Posted - 2008.02.17 05:03:00 -
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Don't get why people use a BS in a level 3 mission.
I must say that this is one of the most interesting mission that I have run. Reminds of the first time I ran a level 1 Worlds Collide before it got dumb down (lost 7 ships on it).
Ive ran it twice now once in a active drake with a couple of warp outs but no real issue. The second time I ran it in a gun ferox with 5 250 prototypes rails & two rocket launchers. Room 5 proved too be a challenge with multiple warp outs 3 time into structure and the loss of 13 drones altogether. I haven't had that much since the first time I ran worlds collide although I must admit by the time I finished all 7 parts I was truly sick of drones.
Whoever came up with this mission will hopefully be doing more of them.
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Kusha'an
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.18 14:23:00 -
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To the OP:
Thank you for this thread. I'm doing level 3 missions, and I now consider myself forewarned, which by the way is equal to forearmed.
To Ofca:
Hateful trolling is undesirable, and ironic considering you admit you lost a ship in this mission. Whether or not the OP gets his ship back is up to the GMs, and your opinion of that decision so nastily puked all over him is not helpful. The information he has provided far outweighs any semblance of whining.
Again, thanks to the OP for this thread.
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Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.18 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kalfu Arcturus
Active tank, with resist fields.
Using Infiltrator drones (not T2), gone through about 7 of them now :(
Just managed to finish it, the waves of drones just seem so ludicrous. There are literally hundreds. Getting assist for 5, no chance I'm soloing it.
Hit me up in game and I'll give you a hand on 5/7 if you want (I'm in Caldari space though).
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Dominatus Crispus
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:54:00 -
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i agree the mission is a hard one for a level 3 mission, but then again, there are some level 3 mission that are way to easy...
i've done the mission a few times but since have just learned to reject it as its not worth the time or effort compared to the rewards won... if you want a good challenge, sure its great. but if your a mission grinder for isk, lp, or salvage mats... this is one to skip.
as for the op... i'm not realy sure how you lost a BS on this, as its fairly easy to complete with a properly fitted BC. tough luck i guess, but all the info is listed on the mission guide at http://eve-survival.org/missions/newfrontiers3.html
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Eleana Tomelac
Originally by: Koraeth
Done this series of missions twice with my abaddon, love it. First thing to do is nail those towers on jump in. This series of missions is the only time I've fitted 2 Smartbombs to my ship, to clear out all the little close range ships, works great.
If the towers are draining your cap too fast, are you built out right? I've got 3 ccc risgs, 3 cap recharger 2's in mids, and 2 cap relays in low slots. Makes for a ton of recharge capability.
Dunno. Personally I love this series of missions, pays good, lots of salvage amongst all those ships, and the crystal loot does add up at the end
Here I see people saying it is doable with a tier 3 BS or a fully passive drake (people solo lvl 4 with such ships), well, all I can say is that it's a level 4 mission...
Just moving it to level 4 would avoid peopl entering in the mission with a cruiser or a battlecuiser (appart from fully passive shields) and get popped.
Neutralizer towers are the perfect T2 ship killer, it is the thing that makes using an HAS instead of a cruiser close to useless.
It seems really level 4 difficulty and then should be moved up.
If someone finishes this one with a vexor without tons of war outs, tell me, All the other level 3 missions worked with my vexor. For the more trapped missions (webifiers on pocket entrance in numbers), I used a myrmidon for the tank... I can't see how efficient will be a myrmidon or a vexor in such mission...
i managed to get to the courier mission with my vexor in this chain (thats 3 or 4/7)...had to get the drone link augmentor to destroy the neut towers in 2/7. i dont dare do this in my vexor now lol...
im thinking domi: 2xLARs, 3xhardeners, 1 or 2x1600mm, 4xCap rechargers, and of course: an injector
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IDF187
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Posted - 2008.02.19 06:58:00 -
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Yep I agree 100% this mission is way to hard, unless u are in a passive tank drake. And as far as any1 changing anything. Have Gms ever changed anything thats ppl found to be in need of change? All I know is there are patches, and GMs seem to do as they think fits, kinda annoying if u ask me. GMs pls start listening to ppl. And vote for a particular issue sometimes would be nice.
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CetusOfAsuran
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.19 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Keyn Thror
Hello!
5 energy neutralizer towers + lots of warp scrmabling drones... And the damage is enough to destroy the heavily tanked battleship, that survived most lvl 4 missions... Isn't it too much for a lvl 3 mission, that is supposed to be done with a Battlecruiser at most?
Dear CCP, if you could, please rebalance this mission. It's nearly impossible to be done.
This mission is BIT TRICKY AT BEST cant really say i had much trouble in an ACTIVE tank drake even when the towers had sapped all my cap take the towers first then the scramble drones and heh presto cakewalk.
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