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woddel
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Posted - 2008.02.03 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: woddel on 03/02/2008 10:36:40
Edited by: woddel on 03/02/2008 10:36:05
Hello all
As I can't be online all the time, but still want to know what happens to my skills, market offers and money flow, I created a webpage which uses full API 2 features to read all kind of stuff out of my account. It's called:
http://www.eve-commander.com
It offers offline information on the following:
- Basic character information & status
- Money transactions
- Assets (by station or type)
- Market orders
- Skills and skill training (EVEMon is still the best tool for that, but i can't install it everywhere (office etc)).
It's in beta right now and many more features will be added in time. As I am a trader (or try to be), I will focus a bit in that direction and future features will include more reports and statistics. Integration of eve-central data is planned as well.
Advantage over some other tools: No software has to be installed. It's fully webbased.
I know that some people start whining about providing full API keys. It's a matter of trust and I wrote an extensive privacy statement about that. Please read that first.
I hope you like it... :) Feature requests are always welcome.
woddel
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2008.02.03 10:28:00 -
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I'm wondering how many people will blindly type in their eve usernames and passwords.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.02.03 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 03/02/2008 10:30:09
/!\ Danger danger /!\
Where's the REGISTER button?
Nevermind, found it. Very, very hard to see.
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.02.03 10:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Frug
I'm wondering how many people will blindly type in their eve usernames and passwords.
Please don't ruin this out of the gate. You're going to scare other ignorant people like yourself from what seems to be a solid piece of work.
It does not require your EVE password.
It requires your API key. There is a very large difference.
Try looking around next time before you say stupid things out loud.
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woddel warrior
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Posted - 2008.02.03 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
I'm wondering how many people will blindly type in their eve usernames and passwords.
i hope they do not. i especially write that on the registration page... but even then, the passwords are encrypted as a hash in the database and are not decryptable.
:)
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2008.02.03 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: Frug on 03/02/2008 10:38:21
Edited by: Frug on 03/02/2008 10:33:55
Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Frug
I'm wondering how many people will blindly type in their eve usernames and passwords.
Please don't ruin this out of the gate. You're going to scare other ignorant people like yourself from what seems to be a solid piece of work.
It does not require your EVE password.
It requires your API key. There is a very large difference.
Try looking around next time before you say stupid things out loud.
Don't be a moron. I can see what it is.
Woddel: At first glance though, you must admit that it looks like it's asking for something you should never give. I think maybe it's the terminology 'userid'
Edit: also, spelling error on the page: plattform -> platform.
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BOOO!! - Ductoris
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Tzar'rim
Minmatar
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.02.03 10:49:00 -
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Some new guy without an avatar telling he has made an EVE program? I do hope you understand me/us being careful about that one.
If your product is genuine use your main, until then (and probably even after that) I will have to assume it has less than desired side effects like giving out wallet/asset info to someone who could make use of it.
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woddel warrior
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.03 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: woddel warrior on 03/02/2008 11:06:04
Edited by: woddel warrior on 03/02/2008 10:57:32
Originally by: Tzar'rim
Some new guy without an avatar telling he has made an EVE program? I do hope you understand me/us being careful about that one.
If your product is genuine use your main, until then (and probably even after that) I will have to assume it has less than desired side effects like giving out wallet/asset info to someone who could make use of it.
sorry, i have no idea why my image does not appear (i also don't see it in EVEMon, for example). my in game character is 'woddel' as well. look me up there. hmpf, and now i posted with my second character's name. sorry for that.
and once again: read the privacy statement on the page. i can't stress that enough.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2008.02.03 11:17:00 -
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Well, as a trader, I bet you are going to do some sweet datamining in your database when it is loaded full of peoples market transaction data.
I would never share the "Full Acess API Key" on a website and I hope no one else will either.
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woddel
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.02.03 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Well, as a trader, I bet you are going to do some sweet datamining in your database when it is loaded full of peoples market transaction data.
I would never share the "Full Acess API Key" on a website and I hope no one else will either.
well, that it is your right to make this decision. i just can't follow your argument, because all market data is also available within eve. also the universe is large enough that i don't think it is interesting to know that somebody is selling railguns 29 jumps away. also, if people just WOULD read the privacy statement, i do write there that some market analysis tool could be added sometimes, but it will need SPECIFIC consent of the users to take part and submit their data.
it makes me a little sad that people only see evil in others, when all i am trying to do is to make a tool - i primarily wrote for myself a few weeks ago - accessible to other players in the community because of the feedback i got from friends who saw what i did and wanted to use it for themselves too. nobody is forced to participate, in the end.
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Gangus
Minmatar
Matari BackBone
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Posted - 2008.02.03 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Gangus on 03/02/2008 13:15:00
As what seems a rarity on these boards, a serious response, i'd like to suggest you head over to battleclinicand have a word with the guys there to see if you can assist in their EVEMon program in any way. The other way is to make sure you have the source code available for the perusal of the end-user.
EDIT: Duh, just realised it's a webpage, and it wants the FULL API.... Dude. that's plain EVIL and i hope this thread gets deleted by a dev before your poison infects some poor player who knows not what they are doing.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.03 13:15:00 -
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tbh judging by the screen it looks exactly what I need but as others, I don't really feel comfortable giving out my full API keys - you wouldn't happen to have like a package we can buy and put on our own servers?
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Gangus
Minmatar
Matari BackBone
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Posted - 2008.02.03 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
tbh judging by the screen it looks exactly what I need but as others, I don't really feel comfortable giving out my full API keys - you wouldn't happen to have like a package we can buy and put on our own servers?
that too
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woddel
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.02.03 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Gangus
Edited by: Gangus on 03/02/2008 13:15:00
As what seems a rarity on these boards, a serious response, i'd like to suggest you head over to battleclinicand have a word with the guys there to see if you can assist in their EVEMon program in any way. The other way is to make sure you have the source code available for the perusal of the end-user.
EDIT: Duh, just realised it's a webpage, and it wants the FULL API.... Dude. that's plain EVIL and i hope this thread gets deleted by a dev before your poison infects some poor player who knows not what they are doing.
well, i won't repeat myself anymore. it is up to each and every single player in his free will if he chooses to trust me or not (not EVERYBODY is evil in this universe). my 50 betausers are almost filled up (i guess i will have to expand the betaphase due to demand) and i also get a lot of positive feedback. also, many people simply don't seem to grasp what full apis keys can do and what they can NOT do. read my privacy statement on the webpage. i just don't think it is very fair to flame other people's work just by default.
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woddel
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.02.03 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
tbh judging by the screen it looks exactly what I need but as others, I don't really feel comfortable giving out my full API keys - you wouldn't happen to have like a package we can buy and put on our own servers?
well, that is not really feasible at the moment. the tool is written in coldfusion and requires a server with coldfusion8 and ms sql database (about 400mb to start with due to all basic meta data like stations, items etc). also, the tool is under heavy development and updated constantly. i also could not think of a reasonable price either.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2008.02.03 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 03/02/2008 14:16:56
Originally by: woddel
well, that it is your right to make this decision. i just can't follow your argument, because all market data is also available within eve. also the universe is large enough that i don't think it is interesting to know that somebody is selling railguns 29 jumps away. also, if people just WOULD read the privacy statement, i do write there that some market analysis tool could be added sometimes, but it will need SPECIFIC consent of the users to take part and submit their data.
Ok, lets say I'm a trader and I use your webpage. You will then know exactly what I buy and sell where plus every single item I have in stock. And to make it easier for you to find the interesting traders, just search for the people with the biggest wallets and you are set.
I truly hope no one sign up, even by misstake, and if they do to change their API key asap.
Btw, I'm not talking about some public market analysis tool, but your private dataming of the database.
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woddel
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.02.03 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 03/02/2008 14:16:56
Ok, lets say I'm a trader and I use your webpage. You will then know exactly what I buy and sell where plus every single item I have in stock. And to make it easier for you to find the interesting traders, just search for the people with the biggest wallets and you are set.
I truly hope no one sign up, even by misstake, and if they do to change their API key asap.
Btw, I'm not talking about some public market analysis tool, but your private dataming of the database.
well, i can only really really pity you that you see the bad in other people only. if it would be my intention to misuse that data, i don't think i would have spend so much time to create all these applications around it. and i think there are plenty other tools to find market possibilities (eve-central.com for example). i don't need this data and i wrote in the privacy statement that i won't look at them. and i keep my promises. i don't know where you are from, but here in switzerland i learned that successfull business in based on trust. if you don't have that in me, so leave it be. end of story.
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CCP Navigator
C C P
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Posted - 2008.02.03 14:27:00 -
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Please remeber to visit this page and read on exactly what you are doing when you give people access to your API key.
This is just general information that all players should read up on when deciding to upload their API key to any third party program.
Navigator, Community Representative
EVE Online, CCP Games
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Brutoth Tain
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Posted - 2008.02.03 14:34:00 -
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As you have taken the time to construct a program for EVE you must be an EVE player and you will be aware that scams for various out of game reasons exist like account theft or other nasty things and I'm sure wallet info and other data could be very useful to some people.
I'm not going to accuse you of being up to mischief but you should also be aware that a new char appearing on the forums asking for this data appears suspicious and you even denied working with Chribba (probably the most trusted player in EVE) to provide other means of hosting your service.
The lack of trust is saddening and you may well be genuinely trying to help but the way the world is just makes it suspicious.
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Ilea Celentay
Veiled Justice
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Posted - 2008.02.03 14:37:00 -
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Firstly, I have to say it looks pretty impressive. Strangely the brown colour scheme works rather well 
I can understand peoples personal opinion of using their Full API key for a web-site or program that is not under their total control. Though maybe some people are over looking it a little too much.
The amount of time and users it would need for Woddel to find people that trade and deliberately go out there to steal their income is significant, and really, can you honestly see someone doing such a thing, and managing it.
It takes skill to be a trader just as it does being successful in PvP, and overall every area of Eve. Each player is able to complete in any area, but really to excel as a trader as much as someone that would be worried about such a tool as this isn't possible simply by stealing the profits of others.
A real trader might be set back, but he would adapt so fast that profit loss would be minimal.
Yes, the Full API key could be damaging to many players, but I find it rather rude that some people would be so blunt and insulting to someone that put so much effort into something to help others simply because they would choose not to submit their Key.
Its also worth pointing out that such a tool could be a massive help to many players in many ways, that is why, if they are comfortable with submitting their key, they should do so.
Being careful where you submit your API key is wise, but if I understand it correctly, the primary point of the key was to allow development of such software with minimal risk. Information really is only so valuable, there are so many more skills needed to even use such information to your advantage.
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woddel
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.02.03 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Brutoth Tain
As you have taken the time to construct a program for EVE you must be an EVE player and you will be aware that scams for various out of game reasons exist like account theft or other nasty things and I'm sure wallet info and other data could be very useful to some people.
I'm not going to accuse you of being up to mischief but you should also be aware that a new char appearing on the forums asking for this data appears suspicious and you even denied working with Chribba (probably the most trusted player in EVE) to provide other means of hosting your service.
The lack of trust is saddening and you may well be genuinely trying to help but the way the world is just makes it suspicious.
well, i'm not all that new to the game. ok, i've only been around for like more than a month and this was maybe on of my first posts here in the forum, but it's not like i signed up yesterday. and that i do not have an avatar image seems to be some problem of the imageserver of some sort. you don't have one either.
then, i did not deny working with chribba (whom i don't know at all, by the way - on the other side i don't know a lot of people i guess). it's just not practical at the moment. even then, chribba would be facing the same problem like me providing the service to other people. and it's really not reasonable to think that every player wanting to use such a tool will have or does have access to some advanced webserver technologies...
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.02.03 14:45:00 -
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Seems very awesome. However - is there any possibility of getting it as stand alone program (willing to pay isk for it) as
I WILL NOT give out my full API key.
Full API key enables acsess to your corporate memebership list plus POS locations, POS types and fuel levels (including strontsium amount) in them so providing it to anybody else is not an option for me. It would be too serious security risk.
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woddel
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.02.03 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ilea Celentay
Firstly, I have to say it looks pretty impressive. Strangely the brown colour scheme works rather well
thanks ilea. somebody who is reasonable... :) only one thing i don't really understand. even IF i would look at the data, what could i do? looking at somebody else's market orders would only allow me to go and buy these shield boosters he wants to get rid of or sell him the guns he craves for. and even then it would most likely be that somebody else would sell or buy them at better prices at another station closer to me anyway...
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.02.03 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
Don't be a moron. I can see what it is.
Woddel: At first glance though, you must admit that it looks like it's asking for something you should never give. I think maybe it's the terminology 'userid'
Edit: also, spelling error on the page: plattform -> platform.
If you want to suggest that giving your API key out is dangerous--then do it.
But don't make ignorant remarks about user names and passwords. There is no place on that site that requires an EVE password. In fact it even states to use something OTHER than an EVE password.
If at first glance you see anything other than this, then it goes back to my original assertion: your ignorance is clearly blinding you. You're saying ridiculous things that don't make sense. You are indirectly hurting this guy with your make-belief concerns.
This isn't getting nearly enough attention, and while it is risky to drop a full API key onto a stranger, it does seem to be quite solid from my first impressions.
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Brutoth Tain
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Posted - 2008.02.03 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: woddel
then, i did not deny working with chribba (whom i don't know at all, by the way - on the other side i don't know a lot of people i guess). it's just not practical at the moment. even then, chribba would be facing the same problem like me providing the service to other people. and it's really not reasonable to think that every player wanting to use such a tool will have or does have access to some advanced webserver technologies...
Chribba runs a huge list of hosted services for the EVE community like file hosting and agent finders and lots of other tools and services, he also works tirelessly to maintain and run them.
Like others have said this data could be used for lots of things from planning suicide ganks to being able to plot someones business practice and POS information so you must realise why people are reticent to just handing over access to that data to anyone who comes along.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.03 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: woddel
Originally by: Chribba
tbh judging by the screen it looks exactly what I need but as others, I don't really feel comfortable giving out my full API keys - you wouldn't happen to have like a package we can buy and put on our own servers?
well, that is not really feasible at the moment. the tool is written in coldfusion and requires a server with coldfusion8 and ms sql database (about 400mb to start with due to all basic meta data like stations, items etc). also, the tool is under heavy development and updated constantly. i also could not think of a reasonable price either.
The technical platform is in no way a problem for me at least, and fully understand its developing status.
I will be checking up on your progress and hope to see it go into 'final', and be sure to drop me a line if you ever are in the thoughts of selling it as a package or similar (even for personal closed use) - as I am very interested in it.
I currently use the open-source 'Sexy Wallet' which is great - but your package seem to have more potential with monitoring both assets and market/orders. Looking very much forward to your progress. Good luck!
/c
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woddel
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.02.03 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
Seems very awesome. However - is there any possibility of getting it as stand alone program (willing to pay isk for it) as
I WILL NOT give out my full API key.
sorry, eve commander is a webapplication that needs a specialised webserver environment to run. it's not an installable application like EVEMon. so, eve commander is no option for you then, as you don't want to give away your api keys (which is your own personal right to decide about - nobody takes offense in that, especially me). maybe somebody will sometimes write an installable application which you can use on your computer. but until then, you will have to wait.
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Hellspawn666
Minmatar
Master Miners
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Posted - 2008.02.03 15:00:00 -
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Although i personaly have no use for it i dont see what harm it could really cause assuming this was a scam since as far as i know you can just change your API if it looks odd anyway. Isnt this the reason API came out? Also ofcourse heed the full one to show all the information hes put there. If i were you il'd convince a few people that are well known to try it and once they are happy with it they can tell the community that they vouch for it. Or have someone look at the code and find out if it sends that information to you or not.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
Damage over Time
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Posted - 2008.02.03 15:01:00 -
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I think this is a great tool and will keep an eye on it to see how it develops.
As others have said, probably the most important thing which you might want to look in to is providing this service either in collaboration with an already established (trusted) third party or as a downloadable (open-source) application.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.03 17:32:00 -
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This guy doesn't know who Chribba is, and freely admits that...can he really be trusted?
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.02.03 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 03/02/2008 18:08:02
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
This guy doesn't know who Chribba is, and freely admits that...can he really be trusted?
I have to agree...
OP: Im sorry. Maybe your site is fine and all, but honestly..
1. Someone without character picture
2. Someone who dont know Chribba.
3. Someone who requires your full API code..
I am deeply sorry, but I think I will steer away from this for now..
Originally by: CCP Whisper
I got your ambulation right here... <walks off to get more wine>
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woddel warrior
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.03 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
This guy doesn't know who Chribba is, and freely admits that...can he really be trusted?
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yeah, that really makes me really bad, only because i am fairly new to the community and don¦t know all that many people yet outside of eve university. great argument there... :)
besides, i expanded the beta userbasis due to the demand to 100.
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woddel
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.02.03 18:42:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 03/02/2008 18:08:02
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
This guy doesn't know who Chribba is, and freely admits that...can he really be trusted?
I have to agree...
OP: Im sorry. Maybe your site is fine and all, but honestly..
1. Someone without character picture
2. Someone who dont know Chribba.
3. Someone who requires your full API code..
I am deeply sorry, but I think I will steer away from this for now..
- i have no idea why my picture does not work. i am surely not the only one with that problem.
- read my previous post
- i do NOT require the code. you CAN submit it when you believe i can be trusted or you think the benefit of the page is greater than a possible risk. else, just ignore the site and go and do some pvp noobie bashing to calm down.
i am a bit dissapointed of having this discussion. one gets the feeling only folks who have been in here for 5 years are allowed to contribute to the community and before not like god says one is ok, he is treated like some ****bag. if somebody else wants to spend hours and hours of work to make everything better and saver, i invite you first. read the api manual first, though to see what full api keys are needed for.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.02.03 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 03/02/2008 18:46:40
Originally by: woddel
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 03/02/2008 18:08:02
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
This guy doesn't know who Chribba is, and freely admits that...can he really be trusted?
I have to agree...
OP: Im sorry. Maybe your site is fine and all, but honestly..
1. Someone without character picture
2. Someone who dont know Chribba.
3. Someone who requires your full API code..
I am deeply sorry, but I think I will steer away from this for now..
- i have no idea why my picture does not work. i am surely not the only one with that problem.
- read my previous post
- i do NOT require the code. you CAN submit it when you believe i can be trusted or you think the benefit of the page is greater than a possible risk. else, just ignore the site and go and do some pvp noobie bashing to calm down.
i am a bit dissapointed of having this discussion. one gets the feeling only folks who have been in here for 5 years are allowed to contribute to the community and before not like god says one is ok, he is treated like some ****bag. if somebody else wants to spend hours and hours of work to make everything better and saver, i invite you first. read the api manual first, though to see what full api keys are needed for.
Well, if it helps making you feel a little better, I would not give my full API key to anyone, with the possible exception of Chribba I think. 
Originally by: CCP Whisper
I got your ambulation right here... <walks off to get more wine>
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jam6549
Malicious Intentions
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.03 19:18:00 -
[35]
rule numero uno of EVE Online: trust no one but yourself
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.03 20:22:00 -
[36]
Yes too bad giving API infos Is risky, coz this program is really cool, if it is implemented in a more Securised way (trusted member) would prolly use it
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.03 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: woddel warrior
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
This guy doesn't know who Chribba is, and freely admits that...can he really be trusted?
##
yeah, that really makes me really bad, only because i am fairly new to the community and don¦t know all that many people yet outside of eve university. great argument there... :)
besides, i expanded the beta userbasis due to the demand to 100.
It does, Chribba is the single most important person here who doesn't have blue or red bars around their posts.
So, in this thread, no Chribba support, plus a Dev post reminding people what giving out the full-API entails = Nope.
And it really isn't a surprise to anyone in Eve that there are many stupid people who would be easily willing to give all their information out. But then again, these are the same people who fall for credit card scams.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
Damage over Time
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Posted - 2008.02.03 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: woddel
i am a bit dissapointed of having this discussion. one gets the feeling only folks who have been in here for 5 years are allowed to contribute to the community and before not like god says one is ok, he is treated like some ****bag. if somebody else wants to spend hours and hours of work to make everything better and safer, i invite you first. read the api manual first, though to see what full api keys are needed for.
Some people here may be a bit blunt, but they are trying to make a point. Being able to code something is one thing, but it's just the start. Getting others to use it is the important part. EVE is a harsh games and the most important thing a player has in this game is his reputation. Scammers have made billions and billions of isk by misleading people and there are malicious players who are trying to replicate - or surpass - the success of those scammers.
New players can definitely contribute to the community, but people will be very suspicious of scams. Of course older players can scam too, but they usually have a reputation they care about - if it's a good reputation - or which warns people not to trust them - if it's a bad reputation. Therefore older players are less likely to scam, but even they will often not be trusted on their word. Only a select few well-known players will be trusted on their word (which enables Chribba to offer his "Secure 3rd party service").
Bottom line is, if you want your service to be widely used you have three options:
(1) Establish a reputation - this will take years and gets more difficult the harder you try;
(2) Collaborate with a trusted party, or at least get someone to endorse your service;
(3) Provide an open-source program.
I really think your website is great but I - and probably many others - will not use it unless at least one of the above criteria is met. It's nothing personal, it's just that I want to minimize the risk of being scammed
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.02.07 22:22:00 -
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hello all
despite some discussions (see above), i also got a lot of positive feedback and the userbase is growing. so, i believe i am on the right track after all and the following features where added:
- assets by station now show gross volume (m3) and volume by type (so you know what type of hauler you need to use to get all that stuff)
- assets now show regional names to the stations (for those that keep forgetting where everything is)
- account settings (you can now change password, keys and regional settings)
- added wallet journal (to complete that too)
future additions will include:
- time difference since last item bought or sold in market orders ('market heat')
- analysis tools with graphs
- online help
- multi language (german for sure for starters)
- some sort of 'light version' for the limited api key set (of course limiting what can be shown to character info and skills)
thanks for all supporters and comments i got: every feedback is constructive (it being positive or cautious). i will try to address the issue of trusting me your api keys some more: for that i will attempt to work something out with some the well known guys in here. just don't ask me yet of what it will be and when it will be implemented: i don't know yet... :)
one thing though: i came to the conclusion from the above discussions that eve-commander.com is not the right thing for the 'big' characters in here with their corporations and stations: this data also seems to be accessible with full keys and i can not do anything about that. i accept that they are very very guarded about giving that information away (which is correct). maybe ccp could create some 'medium' level keys with character data only (assets, transactions etc) and leave all corporate stuff out.
for all other 'regular' users (i guess like 95%), eve-commander.com is safe according to the privacy statement issued on the page.
have fun and fly safe!
woddel
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Lucia Warbler
Eve University
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Posted - 2008.02.07 23:00:00 -
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Hmm, interesting. This could be just the thing for me as for some infuriating reason Evemon stopped working on my computer... 
Plus this looks like something I could use to categorize what assets I have better, not to mention checking how my stuff sells without logging all the time.
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Haakelen
Gallente
United Forces
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Haakelen on 08/02/2008 00:43:22
I'd join your service in a heartbeat if (as mentioned above), full API keys of directors didn't reveal corporation information. Once CCP seperates director/corp information into a separate key, I'm sure a lot of people would be more open to using your service. Or if they never add such utility, y'know, there's still Chribba. It is very impressive, and looks awesome. You should be proud of it.
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Nozomi nrvqsr
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:44:00 -
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A solution could be a new api key, without extrem sensitive informations in it (i.e. pos info & co).
Please CCP ? :3
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.08 14:55:00 -
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I would be interested to have A CCP representative opinion about this tool
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woddel
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.08 14:59:00 -
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Hello again to everybody.
ok, it's done: eve commander now features a 'limited edition' for which your limited api keys will suffice.
of course, the information that can be pulled and displayed will be reduced to character info and skill training. this is not because i want to make you use the full edition, but simply because with the limited api key, this information can not be pulled from ccp's servers.
this expansion will make eve commander accessible to all folks who can't or don't want to provide full api keys. maybe they get a taste for it then... :)
i hope this covers your expectations... :)
woddel
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LtNelson
Frogs of Armageddon
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Posted - 2008.02.08 15:05:00 -
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The more I read this thread, the more it seems like a rather good scam.
Just partner up with Chribba ffs. Chribba is the only person in the EVE universe 99% of the EVE player base will trust with anything.
Your comments about people being untrusting just proves the fact that you're far too new to be trusted. This is EVE, trust isn't part of the game.
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.02.08 15:09:00 -
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i know. i am now fully aware about this problem. i guess i was a bit to eager in the beginning. but ok, i'm learning... :)
i am in contact with chribba to check out what can be done to accredit the project. i will keep you posted on what happens there.
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.02.15 08:44:00 -
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hello all.
a first implementation of 'market heat' has been added to market orders. it shows the time passed since the last sale/aquisition in a selectable timeframe. this is useful to see if the order is 'working' or if adjustments need to be made. this adds some first real benefits to the raw data downloadable using the api.
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other improvements, tools and additions are in progress... :)
cheerios
woddel
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.02.15 10:20:00 -
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Any chance of adding corp wallet support?
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Posted - 2008.02.15 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Any chance of adding corp wallet support?
hello kazuo
i guess that will take some time. as you can read in the thread above, there is a lot of talk about security and trust. at the moment, i only import personal data into the database - corp-data is left out completely. maybe i will add it some times (if demand exceeds mistrust)... :)
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Nun Izon
Gallente
The Exodus Alliance
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2008.02.15 12:05:00 -
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I, like everyone else, am scared of the secruity risk.
I am with Chribba here, if you wish to package this to sell then please let me know. I have been running Coldfusion since 4.51 and have servers able to run this. Or maybe if you can sell it to Chribba to run as a public service.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.02.15 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Nun Izon
I, like everyone else, am scared of the secruity risk.
I am with Chribba here, if you wish to package this to sell then please let me know. I have been running Coldfusion since 4.51 and have servers able to run this. Or maybe if you can sell it to Chribba to run as a public service.
the big issue is just POS fuel level and stuff right?
I mean no one here really thinks that your account can be controlled in anyways right?
I'm just saying the way were talking about it new players might think that someone can use thier API key to log in.
personaly I would like to see a flexable API key for each function.
so I could give you my character info, skill wallet and market API keys.
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Nun Izon
Gallente
The Exodus Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.15 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
the big issue is just POS fuel level and stuff right?
I mean no one here really thinks that your account can be controlled in anyways right?
I'm just saying the way were talking about it new players might think that someone can use thier API key to log in.
personaly I would like to see a flexable API key for each function.
so I could give you my character info, skill wallet and market API keys.
Yeah, CCP should do something like that.
But yes, its locations of POS and fuel amounts that are at risk. Also looking at the site, it can list all of your hangers, and what is stored there.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Naval Protection Corp
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.02.15 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
I'm wondering how many people will blindly type in their eve usernames and passwords.
That was my very first thought as well.
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.02.15 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai
Edited by: Poreuomai on 15/02/2008 14:33:19
That was my very first thought as well.
Having read some more, I would stil be careful, even with the limited API Key (not to mention the full API Key). For example, a combat pilot might not like war targets to know which combat skills he's trained to what levels.
The OP may be completely honest, or he may not, and I'd rather be cautious.
well, about knowing skills: one can not see skills of others. there are even portals just for that (ineve.net). and if i would even look at them, what are chances running into exact this person? and then, i'm in here for a bit more than a month, so my skills are mediocre anyway and no match for any half-witted fighter (one of which i am not)... i think the security issue has been discussed enough by now and if you don't want to register, then simply don't. easy enough.
besides, i have not yet really heard from chribba about a possible 'chribba-solution' to this. i can't do more than ask and wait... :)
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.02.15 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nun Izon
I, like everyone else, am scared of the secruity risk.
I am with Chribba here, if you wish to package this to sell then please let me know. I have been running Coldfusion since 4.51 and have servers able to run this. Or maybe if you can sell it to Chribba to run as a public service.
hi nun.
well, i guess it's not EVERYBODY: i got lot's of registrations and many very approving feedbacks too.
for packaging: i have no idea what this would be worth like. any suggestions? maybe send them to my email ([email protected]). but even if chribba would run it on his servers, i still would need to have access to the app and db for application development. so, no change after all. chribba saw this like me too... it's not so easy.
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Osku Rei
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.02.15 15:07:00 -
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At the moment the website seems to be down?
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Posted - 2008.02.15 15:32:00 -
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I think at this point the warning is out...do this at your own risk. Now can we stop bashing him and regurgitating the same damn reasons as to not sign up for this site???
If he is scamming than "ha ha" to all of you who did it. If he's not, than he may be making something that can be of real use to people out there.
If your that worried, use his site and once your done, request a new API key.
To the OP: I'd stop defending yourself. Only fuels the fire. You've done what you need to which is let people out there know what you have available. Great work and thanks for your hard work for trying to contribute to the EVE community. Don't think that is only the eve community that would be like this. EVERY MMORPG community is like this. They are mistrusting and they should be. People get taken advantage of everyday. Good luck with your project and I hope that the site is successful.
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Forando
Interstellar Cowards
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Posted - 2008.02.15 15:47:00 -
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Looks to be a neat app, I'll sure keep an eye out for where it goes.
But for now, it just has those big red bold blinking letters on top of it that says:
Warning: Possible Trade Order Data Mining
But when a trustworthy community establishes, I might sign up.
Enjoy, and fly safe..
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Ethen Bejorn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.02.15 16:03:00 -
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If you play Eve you should figure that one of your most trusted members, probably a Director in your corp is also a spy or alt of some corp/alliance hostile to you. No one can do anything to your account nor your assets with your API key. All they will have is information which is easily obtainable by joining your corp/alliance with an alt and reading your forums or talking to your members. Seriously, there is being safe and then there is paranoia. You just have to be better and smarter than the spies and thieves and always assume they know everything you do not want them to know either way.
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.02.15 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: woddel on 15/02/2008 19:42:19
Edited by: woddel on 15/02/2008 19:23:27
Originally by: Poreuomai
I'm simply giving you feedback, explaining why I won't register.
well, i don't really care why you don't want to register (or even if at all), because i already know: it's been discussed enough upthread... there is no need to mess this thread up any further with such posts... :) i hope that also counts for future posts of the same nature. some of you are so paranoic conspiratists, i almost feel sorry for you... :)
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Naval Protection Corp
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.02.15 19:36:00 -
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I raised one possible issue which had not been mentioned so far.
If you are not interested in feedback and would rather just resort to insults when challenged, well that does not increase my confidence.
I will leave it at that.
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Saint Lazarus
DROW Org
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.02.15 21:45:00 -
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Love they layout and design, really really nice.
And seeing as in college EvE offical site is blocked very useful for me too, even the limited edition :D
But like others im hesitant to give out full API, but when a more secure way of doing it comes out I wont hesitant. Nothing personal, think you did a great job creating a very nice tool for the community.........but we pod pilots are a paranoid bunch :P (but justifiably so in my opinon).
An Offline app would defy the point of it so I'd prefer a solution like Chribba hosting it and being the only person with full access to account info, I dont know if its possible do that while still letting you work on updates and having access to the parts of the site you need to work on.
I dont know enough about the mechanics of it to come up with a viable solution  all I know is me and many others who WANT to use your service wont till tis more secure
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Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.15 21:53:00 -
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There's a way, woddel, to fix a lot of what people have a problem with here. Is it possible to make an application with less features that only requires the Limited API? Many don't have a problem using the Limited API Key.
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.02.15 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Angel DeMorphis
There's a way, woddel, to fix a lot of what people have a problem with here. Is it possible to make an application with less features that only requires the Limited API? Many don't have a problem using the Limited API Key.
hello angel
well, you CAN use the limited key. but then you will only be able to look at your skillplanning. other infos like your assets, transactions and market orders are not visible because the application can not retrieve them. i don't use the full api key for the fun of it, but because it is necessary to retrieve the information that can be displayed in the app. this is 100% the way the api works and has been designed by ccp - i only use what's available. check out this page about this:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/api/
cheerios, woddel
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Zigg Omelo
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.02.15 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: jam6549
rule numero uno of EVE Online: trust no one but yourself
rule numero dos of Eve Online: dont even trust yourself when drunk and online.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.02.15 23:23:00 -
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Re-write this thing as an application that we can download (with source code) and you will get a much warmer reception.
EVE is not like other games, information that is provided with the full API key can most definitely be used against you. Even if you personally are not after this information, there are people out there who would have no qualms about hacking into your site and grabbing all the info they can.
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woddel
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.02.16 14:56:00 -
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Hello all
Tiny feature update: New Page with basic character information including the attributes for learning with minimum and maximum skill points per hour and a listing of what level skills you have and the overall average skill level.
cheerios, woddel
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.16 15:39:00 -
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alarm bells, ugh :(
you are a month old character and are asking an entire community to enter deeply personal data into a web based thing that is hosted from your very own home, which could possibly be datamined for all sorts of infomation, that's not hard to quite understand precisley how would be monetised. And i've never seen you online and your only post on our forums is about this application and well...I don't mean to judge you by my own stupidity but when i was one month old I was floating about shooting things getting some isk.
I have to err on the side of caution here, sorry.
that said ccp should buy this code tbh, it beats what their programmers do.
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.02.16 22:49:00 -
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:) i know it's getting a long thread and people don't read it anymore. it's all been said before. nothing new here. nobody is 'required' to do anything...
i guess i am not the shooting type then.
and i read somewhere that the universe is like 5xxx starsystems large and there are some 300'000 players. i haven't seen you yet either. and that will count for some other 295'000 players too... :)
but basically i thank you for your post, because each post, it being meaningful, constructive or neither, bumps the thread to the top again. and each bump gives like 5-10 new user who like what they see and register. luckily, not everybody is completley paranoid. being cautions is ok, of course. but for that, you have the choice to register, or not to.
cheerios, woddel
ps: i will be in the game in a few minutes. oursualert system.
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 10:26:00 -
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Hello again
I think you should make in your site a newsletter to keep ppl informed about the developpement of your tool which is (potentially) awesome.
For now ppl are too scared (with reason) to register on it (same for me), but i'm sure when u will have a partnership with a trusted Community member (Chribba or any other) i'm sure your tool will be a big success.
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Neena Ailichi
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Posted - 2008.02.21 10:49:00 -
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Everyone seems to trust Chribba but as far as you know he's the guy behind it all, selling information to highest bidder, pulling the strings behind major alliances ;)
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.02.21 14:31:00 -
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hello zothike and neena ailichi
i perfectly understand the concerns, while i can do nothing about them at the moment...  i had some contact with chribba, but so far we have not come up with a solution. at least not since i heard last from him. maybe you (chribba) can elaborate a bit on this, in case you still read this thread - user's interest clearly seems to be there and of course i would feel rewarded even more (i'm quite content with the development of the userbase so far) when even more players would feel safe enough to subsribe to my service. i don't know what possibilities of auditing can be implemented to raise my level of trustworthiness within the community - most technical solutions will nor really solve the problem, as i (being the developer), still would need to have access to the apps and databases to be able to fix and add new features. ideas for that are plenty...
cheerios, woddel
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.02.21 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zothike
I think you should make in your site a newsletter to keep ppl informed about the developpement of your tool which is (potentially) awesome.
yeah, that will come up in time. it's on my list (like many other things). meanwhile, feature changes are noted on the history page and i will also post major new features in here.
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Mikal Drey
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.21 15:47:00 -
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hey hey
I took a gander at the page and i was very impressed.
Its a shame that the API has such a potential for greatness as well as potential for other uses :/
Its well worth noting that the API was created to allow access to this data without a compromise to your actual acount security. I would freely give a full api key to my corp if they had a website that utilised this data. but then again . . . i have nothing to hide :)
to the OP, can you extract character combat log (KM) information as well ?
nice web site Good luck with it
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Mikal Drey
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.21 15:49:00 -
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Quick note to the DEVS. Could the API data be restricted by the player ?
Have a selectable check box for each data type that gets included into the API key
@OP can you do this as well ?
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Kolloth
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.21 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Kolloth on 21/02/2008 16:16:50
welp. I decided to write a little API tool as as part of my ongoing campaign to learn c#.
As with the OP it's still beta and it needs the full API key so if you don't trust random strangers on the internet....
DOWNLOAD
edit: i'd also like to suggest to the devs that they move the character wallet/industry/assets/market stuff to the limited key but leave the corp stuff on full.
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.02.21 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ethen Bejorn
If you play Eve you should figure that one of your most trusted members, probably a Director in your corp is also a spy or alt of some corp/alliance hostile to you. No one can do anything to your account nor your assets with your API key. All they will have is information which is easily obtainable by joining your corp/alliance with an alt and reading your forums or talking to your members. Seriously, there is being safe and then there is paranoia. You just have to be better and smarter than the spies and thieves and always assume they know everything you do not want them to know either way.
In real corps one does not make into that position by just joining up and reading the corp forums. In the game as old as EVE established corps do not even consider pilot for director position before hes been with them year or two. Yeah it is possible to get some information that way, but not all the POS locations, types and fuel levels or full overvirew of corp isk flow, what is sold or bought where, in what ship and where did the pilots of that corp logged off or on last time and so on.
Still nice app tho.
As far as selling the source code, prolly bil or two (with some time of free version updates throwed or smaller amount of isk for each version update) should be fair compensation for the time spent working on the project (on assumption that more than one entity will buy it). That would be within reach of said established corps who are oh so worried about their sensitive information (smaller entities usually do not have that kind of infrastructure in scale that would make them worried). Putting it at say 5 bil would make it viable investment option for corps of few hundred members or smaller alliances and so on. Big alliances have prolly something similar (perhaps with not as nice layout) already in use internally.
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.02.21 17:55:00 -
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carniflex: you are right. i guess that is a valable option. i would say that once the system goes into release 1.0, i could make a sale option for corporations so they can use it on their own servers for their pilots. i also believe that a price like 2 bil would be fair. looking at isk-prices on these *** isk-sellers as a reference, this amounts to about $150. after all, i would additionally need to create some basic kind of installer and some sort of updater. minor releases would be free. i don't intend to make this a too complex thing (pricing, update prices, etc).
i would be very interested in feedback from potential customers about this (general interest, pricing, customization etc). either in here or at my email -> [email protected]. if there is some real interest, i will work out an offical offer.
but beware: tech-requirements are not nothing: coldfusion 8 and ms sql server on windows. db ist like 350 megs and the app with images like 75 megs. there is NO php/mysql-version.
cheerios, woddel
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Demoneque Intentions
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.22 02:03:00 -
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I very much like your idea Woddel and will be trying it shortly with an alt character to test it out. Any tool that helps me keep track of trades (especially while at work and the only internet connection I have is via iPhone) is good in my book. Honestly, I'm not concerned about the minor amount of info one could gain by looking at the random stuff I trade.
PS - I barely know who Chibra is, honestly. I've been around for years and only occasionally visit the forums. Your relation or lack thereof to him is of no concern to most reasonable people, I'd imagine.
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.02.24 11:29:00 -
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hello all
NEW FEATURE 'SHIPS' ADDED: Shows the setup and location of all your ships. Very neat to get a quick overview of the different setups, something you can not do from within EVE without activating the respective vessels.
This module is still in development and will undergo quite some more changes to provide more detail and readability.
screenshot
cheerios, woddel
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Posted - 2008.02.24 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: woddel
hello all
NEW FEATURE 'SHIPS' ADDED: Shows the setup and location of all your ships. Very neat to get a quick overview of the different setups, something you can not do from within EVE without activating the respective vessels.
This module is still in development and will undergo quite some more changes to provide more detail and readability.
screenshot
cheerios, woddel
hi, can you add the fitting mod that is found on the common killboards and apply that to the thing as an optional view
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.02.24 12:18:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Worfs Girl
hi, can you add the fitting mod that is found on the common killboards and apply that to the thing as an optional view
thanks for the idea! yeah, that would be nice. as said, the page is very very much beta at the moment.
allthough in the api export, there is not information about which item is in which slot. so, i can only sort by high,med,low and rigs and just fill up alphabetically. i will try to do something like that. one problem i also might run into: i am not sure if i can discern objects which are actually fitted or only in the cargo hold. i have to try this out with my own ships to see what difference it makes (if there is one visible).
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
Karjala Inc.
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.02.24 12:31:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
I have to agree...
OP: Im sorry. Maybe your site is fine and all, but honestly..
1. Someone without character picture
2. Someone who dont know Chribba.
3. Someone who requires your full API code..
I am deeply sorry, but I think I will steer away from this for now..
This. Full API code gives out too much unrelated information. Also cannot trust the OP to keep even related information safe, because he lacks reputation. Not to mention switzerland is mentioned at eve commander front page.
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Posted - 2008.02.24 12:42:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn
This. Full API code gives out too much unrelated information. Also cannot trust the OP to keep even related information safe, because he lacks reputation. Not to mention switzerland is mentioned at eve commander front page.
ollas. please read through the thread about the discussion of security and trust. but my main question, out of curiosity, is the following: what is wrong with switzerland?
cheerios, woddel
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Turzyx
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Posted - 2008.02.24 13:16:00 -
[85]
Wow, what a huge amount of negative replies.
If you want to be able to access your market data, then you have to provide your full API key. This goes for any program/website.
If you aren't confident about giving your key out, don't, it's as simple as that. There is no need to bash the guy because you --->THINK<--- he is some sort of scammer, and there is no need to post in the thread saying "I will not use it". It's pretty obvious that most people aren't happy giving out their API keys, but it cannot be done any other way, so it's the same for every other program.
In regard to the OPs credibility, are you aware of how most of these sorts of projects get started? Exactly the same way. Half the reason why tools like this don't exist is because of the mass paranoia and hysteria that is generated when someone creates one. It's frankly a shame that people are shunning such creativity, based on his own generosity.
The full API key risks apply to ANY similar website or program, EVEN THE ONES CREATED BY CHRIBBA. I mean how do you know that if you give your API key to him he won't abuse it also? How do you know people haven't done this in the past, and promptly been subjected to a unknown 'security leak'?
Woddel the tool you have created looks extremely well put together, and very useful for those heavily involved in the market and industry, ignore the unconstructive replies, but I would suggest that you put a disclamer/notice on the main page stating that giving your website the Limited or Full API keys gives you access to SEE their imformation (noting what types and content etc), so people know you are not trying to decieve, or 'trick' them.
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Posted - 2008.02.24 13:42:00 -
[86]
I can't believe how hostile you guys are being, its not like this is the first web based app that needs your full api key to work, theres loads of them listed in the market discussions forum, all of which use your full key, yes its a bit of a seccurity risk, but it states that very clearly ont he eve api page, and has one simple solution if you don't like it...
don't use it....
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Petsey Petrilinquo
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.24 14:48:00 -
[87]
Ty so much m8. This tool is the best i have ever seen or tryed, it even show secure can's and ships in space.
Stuff that i forgot about. :D
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Madhatters Inc.
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.02.24 15:46:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Immaterial
I can't believe how hostile you guys are being, its not like this is the first web based app that needs your full api key to work, theres loads of them listed in the market discussions forum, all of which use your full key, yes its a bit of a seccurity risk, but it states that very clearly ont he eve api page, and has one simple solution if you don't like it...
don't use it....
Now give this guy a break and STFU
/signed...
FFS people... It's a pain in the ass for all the other places you gave your key but you also should know that YOU CAN RESET YOUR KEY. So give it a shot if you are so "WOW IT LOOKS COOL". If you don't like it or if you're too scared, reset your key and his proggy won't work the next time he tries to pull your info.
Woddel... tell your beta-users to post here or show the list of them. So far, only a very few posted so scared people around can't be baited with so few feedbacks. If I could see more of them and talk to them, that would help a bit on the trust thing.
Also, about the "not gonna happen" on the package thing that you need a specialised environment. You're assuming that there is no professional hosters around here. I can tell you that I can easily recreate it to make your thing work on my servers like Chribba said for himself.
Anyway, although I don't plan to use it myself, if it's not a scam - Wishing you all the luck, screenies are really cool.
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.02.24 17:50:00 -
[89]
first i want to thank everybody in the last few posts. thanks for the support! so far, i got about 150 users that signed up. just to put that number in here for once. i'm fairly content with that amount of people for the time being... :)
DeTox MinRohim: about a packaged version: see post #78/79 further up. there seems to be some 'market' for the project on external servers. i am thinking about a sellable package for corporations so they can use it on their own servers. but i don't think it's a thing for single users with their own infrastructure. setup is some work and updates a whole other thing. i rather keep the count of remote installations low until demand is so high that it's worth writing installers and update routines. keep me posted when you are interested!
cheerios, woddel
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 23:01:00 -
[90]
well as stated above in this thread the trust problem is for trader, for exemple i have on my various accounts more than 1000 orders and some good trade route between system, with this tool if the operator Is not 'regular' he can check them and take the trades route for himself then i'm ****** and must start again to find new trade route (it can take a lot of hours of play to find one)
otherway i'm a great supporter of this tool, and i'm very frustrated to be unable to use it without taking enormous risks , then i dont use it and each time you ad feature (like ships) it make me more more sad
make a deal with chribba and make ppl pay for using it, and share profit with chribba (or any other trusted third party)
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Posted - 2008.02.28 12:13:00 -
[91]
hello zothike
yeah, i am working on that (with chribba). but it takes some time. i hope to be able to offer a solution within the next few weeks...
cheerios, woddel
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2008.02.28 12:27:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Ilea Celentay
Information really is only so valuable, there are so many more skills needed to even use such information to your advantage.
Not trying to badmouth anyone here or claim the service isn't legitimate but even if you only provide your API-key the person in possession can get huge amounts of information about your in-game self.
Who needs spies when you've got a DB full of API-keys to access wallets, market transactions, corp- and alliance membership etc. of any character on the account?
Again - I'm not claiming the homepage is a data mining / spy site.. it's just that the risk is pretty large.. even with the API-key system.
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Posted - 2008.02.29 22:52:00 -
[93]
hello all
tiny feature update:
the skills-page now shows when unlearned skills can be learned and if not, which prerequisites are still missing (prerequisites that are met are blanked out, so you see what's missing in one glance). screenshot on the about-page will be updated in a few minutes.
cheerios, woddel
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Alanee'a Unakarakta
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Posted - 2008.03.01 02:16:00 -
[94]
i didnt give my mains (or any other chars) api to my own corp.
i rather lost the corp forum access than my privacy.
your giving one man all the info that matters in eve.
-ala
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Jair Aequanimitas
Gallente
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
STELLAR LEGION
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Posted - 2008.03.01 02:26:00 -
[95]
If your not worried about someone "mining" your information then this is a great tool.... I like it i use it I enjoy it.... Full version... Its cool. Just don't use it if your all worried like a lot of these people.
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Posted - 2008.03.01 02:33:00 -
[96]
im not worried about my private info, im worried that one person controls it all.
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Posted - 2008.03.01 09:09:00 -
[97]
hello alanee'a
what do you exactly mean with 'one person controlling it all'. i mean, i get the essence, but do you rather want to have a whole team 'knowing about it' (IF i would look at the data - see privacy statement)? there are no brainless programming drones invented yet... :) at least not that i would have heard of them... would make my real life job obsolete, though...
smiles, woddel.
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.03.01 10:31:00 -
[98]
Edited by: woddel on 01/03/2008 10:32:06
oh, and another point: why would the corporation you are in want to have your api keys? this i think would also worry me too quite a bit, as to the close proximity of the corporation to the respecitve player - that really suggests possible big brother behaviour of the corp towards the player.
eve-commander, or me as the sole operator, are completely unrelated and independent. there is a very very low chance that we (you and me) would ever meet in this universe or cross our paths. so, even if i WOULD dishonour my posted privacy statement, there would be little or most likely no use for your information - as a fair noob (third month now), i am usually way below the food chain and possibilites of more experienced players.
this, evidently, is way different from the corporation we are in and have daily business with.
cheerios, woddel.
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Alanee'a Unakarakta
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Posted - 2008.03.01 15:58:00 -
[99]
sorry if i sounded offensive, the vodka got me last night!
fly safe!
-ala
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.03.06 10:35:00 -
[100]
hello all
now is the time to try out eve commander. the free trial period will end in about a week... after that, all accounts are converted into trial-accounts (14 days). when you register now, you get another week for free... :)
prices have not been determined yet - it will be some moderate amount of isk. suggestions are welcome.
cheerios, woddel
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.06 14:37:00 -
[101]
Hmm
I agree with the others that giving a full API is for sure not secure,especially if there is a subscription fee.
But I may give the limited version a try
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.03.06 21:07:00 -
[102]
hello ikki phoenix
i don't quite understand how asking for a token (where the price has not been decided upon yet) for my work should make it less secure. i rather think otherwise: clearly stating that eve commander has that very specific 'commercial' interest should show that there are no backchannel deals made with the data entrusted to me. like in eve and the real world: nothing is really ever for free. i just don't want to have to depend on banner advertising to pay for the server capacity and some of the time used to program this, where only but isk sellers would show up like on eve-central. that is not in the spirit of the game. eve is business. eve commander is mine within that.
cheerios, woddel.
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.07 00:30:00 -
[103]
Ok,I just signed up for the limited edition.
I like what I am seeing so far
A few bugs and suggestions:
1.The character page shows nothing
2.I think you can understand that many people are not enthusiastic about using the full key,especially if it reveals corporation and alliance things.That is just basic security.
What I would suggest is for you to create an option which allows the user to select which features he wants to activate
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:43:00 -
[104]
hello. thanks that you like it so far. i can not prevent the full api from providing corp. infos - this is a matter for ccp to resolve (like differentiate between 'limited', 'full personal' and a new 'corporation' api key). but for security reasons that also matter to me, no corp. infos is actually imported from the xml files provided by the ccp api and saved in the database. hence, there is no info to be seen on eve commander.
cheerios, woddel
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.03.08 22:52:00 -
[105]
hello all
some changes have been made to the 'ships' and 'assets by station' page: ships now really shows all your ships (bugfix) and you can now also name them like in the game for easier recognition (the api does not transmit ship names). assets by station now groups items by containers when they where placed in one.
fly safe! woddel
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.03.10 06:42:00 -
[106]
hello all.
sorry, i somehow broke the registration form yesterday. thanks for the folks who sent me an email telling me. but i was away in the evening and only got to fix it now. it should work again... :)
cheerios, woddel.
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codex09
Minmatar
Entropy Systems Mining Co.
The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.10 07:57:00 -
[107]
Firstly your picture isn't showing up because it does that until you have been playing for a certain amount of time. (I think it is a month or something like that)
I am a software developer and can't understand why you are so dead set against allowing other people to see your code. I mean it is fair enough you might want to make money out of it, but using the excuse that it requires a specialised environment really makes me wonder what you are really up to.
As people have mentioned the information that is made available to you by giving your program the full API access key can be used to do many things and I personally hope that anyone that gives you their full API key understands exactly what they are doing because it will be a real shame to have to come out in one of their posts in the future and say well you should have taken more notice to what the majority of people were saying.
Chribba has said that your specialised environment is not a problem so why don't you show people that you are trustworthy by allowing someone that won't go giving your code out a chance to have a good run through of it.
Now as for your privacy statement it carries about as much weight as a feather in a hurricane. I have personally seen a lot of these statements that were written by scammers and when it all comes down to it they were used to fool people into a false sense of security, so you will understand if people take your privacy statement as just some words that really have no meaning.
Having said all that I wish you lots of luck if you are a person that is being open and honest for the right reasons, but you must understand that in a game like EVE information about players, Corps, Alliances etc etc can be very handy to have.
Trust is something that is earned over time and it is time that will also tell whether what you are doing is on the level or not.
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Posted - 2008.03.10 09:43:00 -
[108]
Edited by: woddel on 10/03/2008 09:51:01
hello codex09
my answer to your remarks as followed:
- if you would mind looking at my profile, i'm in eve for more than about 2.5 months now. that i don't have a forum-image yet, well that is up to the image server of ccp. and it proofs or means absolutely nothing. see post #86 & #87 about that.
- giving away the source code to anyone has nothing to do with security. you, as a software developer, should know that the code that could be shown to people does not necessarily have to be the code that is actually on the server. like a cleaned up version. so this proofs absolutely nothing. i was thinking about making for example the import routines public. but as said, it would not really do any good to establish trust. and of course, which is my right, i want to protect my intellectual property. but if somebody wants to have them (the import routines), they can write me an email. post #73 for more.
- i am NOT dead set about giving away the code. the comment in my very first posts concerns the fact that eve commander is not a client installable software like evemon.
- i am also discussing the option of corporations being able to buy the code for some isk to put on their own servers in a closed environment. if you are interested (as some others are), write me an email. see post #79
- i AM in contact with chribba. we are discussing about putting the page on his servers. it's not that i refuse to that - i try to respect the wishes of some members of the community. but i must also say that i have not heard from chribba in about two weeks. i am awaiting an answer from him concerning some important technical and legal questions. i don't blame him though - i guess he has a lot on his mind too with other work.
- this comes back to the first part, where chribba could do a code review. i would not mind him doing that. but this is his time and his decision. i can not force him to do that nor put pressure on him to speed things up. if you know chribba so well, talk to him... :)
- and last : infos about corps and alliances are not imported into eve commander. tell ccp to make a personal full api key without corp infos. don't tell me: i can't change the way the api works.
cheerios, woddel.
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2008.03.10 11:54:00 -
[109]
Originally by: woddel
Edited by: woddel on 15/02/2008 19:42:19
Edited by: woddel on 15/02/2008 19:23:27
Originally by: Poreuomai
I'm simply giving you feedback, explaining why I won't register.
well, i don't really care why you don't want to register (or even if at all), because i already know: it's been discussed enough upthread... there is no need to mess this thread up any further with such posts... :) i hope that also counts for future posts of the same nature. some of you are so paranoic conspiratists, i almost feel sorry for you... :)
This is where you fall flat on your face. You *suggest* people to register with their full API keys, people express how uncomfortable they are with that and after much complaining coming from yourself, you say 'fine' and release a limited version of the utility. And now, you mock people that expects the worst?
Is it within your mental capacity to grasp why you fell flat on your face? If not, I do feel sorry for you.
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Soulja
Caldari
THEM.
G Thanks Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.10 12:22:00 -
[110]
Hi Guys,
I have read a lot (not all) of this post and I haven't seen this suggested so apologies if it has.
As a lot of people are concerned with giving out 'sensitive' information that the full API key give access too and that most people only trust those directly affiliated with CCP or Chribba I propose that some sort of proxy, written by Chribba (or someone that Chribba rubber stamps) be used to access the data.
The user would have to register an API key with the proxy, something simple like user name/password mapped to an API key.
You would use the user name/password combo to register with things like the OP has made.
As the OP does not have you API key requests have to be made through the proxy, the proxy can veto requests for sensitive information.
This is a very rough outline, there are some obvious features that i haven't bothered outlining.
Let me know what you think.
(P.S. If someone decides to do this off the back of my suggestion credit for the idea would be nice  )
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.03.10 12:24:00 -
[111]
hello digital solaris
well, maybe i felt a little tired of the discussion at that time i wrote this. but in essence, it is still like this:
- i programmed a tool for myself on my intranet
- friends said "hey, that's cool. i want that too".
- i thought : "ok, that could be of some use for them and the eve community"
- i reprogrammed most of it to make it multi-user capable etc. ps: many many hours of work...
- i put the plattform on my server and let users try it out.
- i know it's not easy with the api keys. but there is nothing i can do about it except for what's being done as posted in my last message one up.
- where i disagree with you: i don't make people (or suggest them to) sign up: this is a decision each and everyone of you is fairly capable of doing by him- or herself: i offer a tool and let you use it.
- if you don't trust me and think i'm a bad, evil and a scam, so let it be. and no, i am not asking anybody to leave eve because of that and give me their stuff... :)
- i just believe it is not fair to continously flame somebody else's work the writer has not seen and knows nothing about it's background (i'm not talking about you specifically now).
- but i keep my spirit up and try to answer your concerns one by one.
- but i clearly don't try to make everything perfect for everybody. that is and will not ever be possible. even with the help of chribba. i understand so much of human nature.
- there are a few hundred subscribers so far. they made up their mind in trusting me, use the service on a regular basis and seem to be happy about it. so, i can't be all that wrong that everybody thinks i am a bad person and try to scam you.
:) woddel
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Posted - 2008.03.10 12:26:00 -
[112]
hi soulja
chribba already brought that thought to me. he seems to be working on it, but i have no idea of a timeframe of a release. if it is finished and works, i will have no trouble integrating it into eve commander. but you have to ask him about the status of that project.
cheerios, woddel.
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Soulja
Caldari
THEM.
G Thanks Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.10 12:28:00 -
[113]
Cool, it just seemed like a pretty obvious answer to the problems raised. Glad something is being done. Good luck with the app.
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.03.11 20:52:00 -
[114]
crappy crap... registration was still down somehow. i guess i am having a little bit too many open construction sites... :) i tested it again twice and it really should work now. sorry again for the inconveniences and thanks for the emails.
cheerios, woddel.
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.03.14 17:26:00 -
[115]
hello pilots!
after quite some trouble after installing the trinity 1.1 boost patch, the ccp api gateway was down for a few days. this afternoon, it started to come up again and by now, it seems to be fully available again. so, eve commander should fully work again. thanks for the patience!
some more cheerfull news, at least for me:
eve commander is now officially released and the beta phase has ended. for all registered users: check out the new partnerprogram where you can make some isk by recommending eve commander to your friends or whoever comes across your homepage when you put a link to eve commander on it... :)
fly safe! woddel
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Nisd
INDUSTRIA BATTLETECH
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Posted - 2008.03.18 16:00:00 -
[116]
Okay i would just like to say that i use it, with a full key, and i think it works great. Got nothing but good experience with it :P
Just thought that there should be some thing positive in here.......
Btw, i really love it
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.03.23 15:22:00 -
[117]
hello CEOs and corporate magnats
eve commander (a webbased application that shows player information like assets, transactions, market orders, skills, ships etc using the api interface) has received a lot of attention from all sides (see original forum thread for more info and the discussion) and i have been contacted by several corporation leaders who asked if they could host a copy of eve commander on their own servers for use by their members to keep their sensitive information in house.
well, it can be done soon... :) information about the corporate edition can be found here. it should be available in a few weeks and i am now interested in feedback, ideas and comments.
cheerios, woddel
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Absolutor
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.28 12:01:00 -
[118]
Hello Woddel
Thanks for making this program! I really love it!! Even as a new player it is very useful to keep track of my stuff. And yes, I am using the full code. Keep it going!
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Posted - 2008.04.04 13:04:00 -
[119]
hia absolutor. thanks... :)
and yes. finally: i got my forum pic. so the ones that mistrusted me because i did not have one can now be happy... :)
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.04.09 07:15:00 -
[120]
bump... :) for once.
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Astorothe
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Posted - 2008.04.09 07:58:00 -
[121]
This tool is excellent - very polished and user friendly.
My only issue is that I run a pretty high resolution (1920x1200) and it's pretty small especially with the custom font.
Great work mate - keep it up. I'll be registering for the full version for sure.
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woddel
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.06 10:30:00 -
[122]
bump a month later... :) i had a very nice holiday, i can say too... :)) |
Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.06 10:42:00 -
[123]
After looking the thread over, I have to say I am extremely impressed with the work you've done woddel.
Is this character you're posting with an alt? Be honest. I've never seen somebody so young in EVE develop such an in-depth tool with so many "critical" features that an eve player would need.
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Billy Merc
Amarr
Pilots Of Honour
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.06 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Billy Merc on 06/05/2008 10:48:47
zomg another CF dev....so i'm not the only one !!!! (jks)
but seriously...i have not run into many of us playing eve...
you plan to make this open source bud ??
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Angelo Dell'Agio
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Posted - 2008.05.06 11:07:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Angelo Dell''Agio on 06/05/2008 11:11:58
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Tiirae
The New Era
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.05.06 12:05:00 -
[126]
1. Thanks for making a tool like this, I know how much work it is
2. All the discussion in here only serves to highlight what a cruddy job CCP has done of refining the API. When the API developer left we all feared it would just stagnate and there are now a ton of tools around that people won't use because they need the full API key
3. I haven't registered, not because I am paranoid but because I just can't be bothered with more eve-related software. I have enough things I use ever day already :)
4. Even making it into a desktop app or providing the code to install on a local server won't stop people being paranoid because it could always 'phone home' with sensitive data anyway.
Until CCP fixes the API system so that tools like this can be trusted, people with sensitive corporate & alliance info tied to their accounts just aren't allowed to have useful software. It's bad enough that CCP can't be bothered building this stuff into the client, even worse they can't even be bothered enabling generous people such as yourself to provide the funtionality for them.
5. Coldfusion & SQL server does not constitute a specialised environment. I have both installed on my desktop machine, as well as visual studio 2008, apache, php, ruby & rails, and a dozen other development tools. You should just release the code for peer review already and stop worrying about 'intellectual property'. The code isn't worth anything, your own hard work and willingness to host, manage, and support it is where the value lies. This is why open source works, you should give it a try.
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Tatoed Goat
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Posted - 2008.05.06 12:43:00 -
[127]
Woddel, or whoever you are because obviously Woddel isn't your only character.
I thank you for this programme. I took a look at the site and I can honestly tell you I dislike it. I do not like you, Chribba or any other party other than my corp having my limited API info let alone give you my full API. I will not reveal my trade routes, my mining location, the amount of money, ships or faction/officer modules I have to you. I do not know you, I do not trust you and I don't trust Chribba for that matter either regardless of how much I respect him.
Now please give us more of the "Don't post here if you don't agree with me" nonsense to make yourself look credible.
No standalone client that doesn't communicate with you or any other server like EVEMon? No usage from me and however many hundred people you get or trick to use this program will be nothing in comparison to the amount of people actually playing so even 1% of the total player base means nothing so please stop posting with your own characters how good this actually is.
Will I believe that all the new characters who post in this thread aren't yours? You think about it, then think some more, then even more and when you've come to a conclusion restart the thinking.
To all the people providing their full API. CCP has warned you what that does and means. Beware!
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:27:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
After looking the thread over, I have to say I am extremely impressed with the work you've done woddel.
Is this character you're posting with an alt? Be honest. I've never seen somebody so young in EVE develop such an in-depth tool with so many "critical" features that an eve player would need.
Just want to ask.
hello Siigari Kitawa
thanks for the praise... :)
this is my main character. my alt is 'woddel trader' which is use for the billing. i'm at 5.5 mil sp now and that is what you get with a four month old character... :) well, developing apps like this is how i make my living in the real world. it was not that much of a technical challenge. and the more i am playing by myself, the more feature is write down to develop to suit my evergrowing lust for information and analysis... :)
cheerios, woddel |
woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:31:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Tiirae
1. Thanks for making a tool like this, I know how much work it is
2. All the discussion in here only serves to highlight what a cruddy job CCP has done of refining the API...
...
hello Tiirae
thanks for the post. well, i can only work with what's around. i am past the point trying to suit all overly cautious people around here (i'm deliberatly not saying the p-word). the api provides the info, i put an app around it. if people do not feel comfortable, there is nothing i can do about it... :)
ps: cool that you use coldfusion too. not so many people do...
cheerios, woddel |
woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:42:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Tatoed Goat
Woddel, or whoever you are because obviously Woddel isn't your only character.
...
hello Tatoed Goat
well, my chars are woddel (main), woddel trader and nueffel (scouting alt)... there are close to 500 users using eve commander by now and most of them go past the trial period ( a number i am very content with and i no, i am NOT on a quest to have ALL users use eve commander). so it can't be all bad and mean and evil... :) see the two previous posts about my standing to this topic. i ask of no-one to agree or trust me. i know this is not possible. but the equation is very easy: if you do not, just stay away from eve commander. you can't always have the bread AND the dime (rough translation of a german saying). as written on a few previous posts a few pages up, eve commander has been explicitly developed as a web application (coldfusion and sql: this is what i CAN do). it can't be 'transformed' into a desktop standalone app (C+ or VB: something i can NOT program). i can only achive results according to my programming skills. and also, i would not WANT to have a desktop app, as then i need to install something more on my computer and i could quite possibly NOT use it at work (or are at school/uni for all scholars out there).
and yes, all i do all day is generate alts, post in this forum and delete them again. creative, but really silly thought. i guess most posters will be 'older' than the time i have been in eve anyways. kills that argument. but it does not matter anyway, as i assume you don't believe a word i say anyway. and yes, i am not your grand father. :) lighten up! it's a bright and sunny day out there.
cheerios, woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve-commander
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.06 14:42:00 -
[131]
When does the corporate version come out (install on own server version I mean)?
CAOD FTW.
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.05.06 15:17:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Virtuozzo
When does the corporate version come out (install on own server version I mean)?
hello Virtuozzo
i just came back from a much much needed vacation. i will start the corporate version when there are serious letters of intent or orders. also, with the 'earlybirds', i could discuss specific feature requests to incorperate. if you are interested, please contact me ingame or by email (see hp for address).
cheerios, woddel |
woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.05.08 08:15:00 -
[133]
hello all
i have just massively lowered prices for eve commander due to a quickly growing subscription base and for easier handling: subscription periods have been extended from 1 month to 3 months for the same price, effectively reducing prices to 1/3 of the old ones. all current subscribers to the full edition of eve commander received a two month extension of their last account expiration date as a bonus.
this reduction should make the full edition of eve commander even more attractive to current 'limited edition' users and reduces the amount of payment transactions necessary for the full users. this is my way to thanks to all of you for the growing success of this project.
cheerios, woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve-commander
complete web based character information tool. |
Drizit
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.08 10:21:00 -
[134]
as a stand-alone application, this would be excellent. Add in the functionality of Evemon and you'd have an application that Evemon should be.
As a web page: NO
This format means that anyone like yourself with any authority to administer the web page has access to all the information about my character. An excellent tool for you to decide who to wardec next or giving you the advantage if you and I are in the same system in lowsec one day. Sit in station, look up character info and see if they can be ganked easily before going out hunting.
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.08 19:13:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Ikki Phoenix on 08/05/2008 19:12:57
Woddel
Your partner program is not working.
Look at http://www.eve-commander.com/partnerprogram.cfm
EveMag:Download Location 2
EveMag:Download Location 3 |
woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.05.08 20:31:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
Edited by: Ikki Phoenix on 08/05/2008 19:12:57
Woddel
Your partner program is not working.
Look at http://www.eve-commander.com/partnerprogram.cfm
hello ikki.
thanks for the notice. it's been fixed.
cheerios, woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve-commander
complete web based character information tool. |
Arkham Lerouge
Osiris Entreprises
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Posted - 2008.05.16 07:43:00 -
[137]
Woddel,
could you please tell me who is "WoDeZ II" ? Is that one of your alts? Just asking, because i saw strange things happen since I registered and started using EVE-commander, and even more strange things just after I stopped using it...
If I were paranoid, I'd say that you've been using an alt to trade the best trade items I was trading with my alt (Gimme ZeCash), who was using Eve-Commander. Since i started using EC, I saw some strange competition on those particular items, with a 0.01 undercut each time a bit after i stopped playing for the day (no undercutting while i was playing, and only this 0.01 undercutting, no other competition from other traders).
Then, scared, I stopped using EC and changed my API key. The very same day, I saw this "WoDeZ II" selling to my buy orders a bunch of those items i was trading (I never had anybody sell so many items in one go, and how strange, only those items i had this 0.01 undercutting).
Now... it could just be some paranoia, and it could just be some random trader, playing the same items as I was (strange though, my NAV is around 35m, and i'm only trading low cost items, so I guess i'm not in competition with the big guys), and then getting fed up of my undercutting, just stopped trading those, and sold the items he had (for close to no profit i'd say, if you take the fees/taxes into accoun).
However, I thought I'd just warn the guys, and sorry if this isn't you.
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.05.16 08:05:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Arkham Lerouge
Woddel,
could you please tell me who is "WoDeZ II" ? Is that one of your alts? Just asking, because i saw strange things happen since I registered and started using EVE-commander, and even more strange things just after I stopped using it..
hello Arkham Lerouge
i can assure you that 'wodez ii' is none of my alts (or affiliated with me or my corp in any way) and your data is absolutely NOT used by me (see privacy statement). my alts are listed a bit further up this thread (woddel trader and nueffel) and my main trading grounds are oursualert, synchelle, orvolle and jita (i have no idea where yours are, but i tell you mine). i also only trade tech2 stuff worth at least 100'000 isk a piece. and i never do this 0.01 stuff undercutting. i think it's silly and i do like 10 isk 'jumps' at least. if not 100 or more.
i assume this must be a coincidence of some sort. i have no interest at all to undermine my creditability. if i would use my customer's data, i would loose face very quickly and the whole project would die in a week (i guess). nothing i would want to happen. please check the next post (i came in here for to write) for more about this.
cheerios, woddel.
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creator and maintainer of eve-commander
complete web based character information tool. |
woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.05.16 08:11:00 -
[139]
hello all
ikki phoenix let me write an article about eve commander in his second issue of evemag. a great project and i hope lot's of pilots will read his publication!
for the sake of having the article in here too, it is also available as a pdf from my server (in a slightly better readable form / layouting):
http://www.eve-commander.com/files/EveCommander_EveMag02.pdf
cheerios, woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve-commander
complete web based character information tool. |
Arkham Lerouge
Osiris Entreprises
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Posted - 2008.05.16 08:34:00 -
[140]
Gimme ZeCash trades in Rens, as I said, on cheap non techII items (getting my hands at margin trading, on a small scale ;)
Sorry if it wasn't you, it just was too many coincidences for me, and the name was close enough to yours (Wodez / Woddel) to set up an alarm.
Anyway, very nice piece of software I must say, very sexy, and the hot/cold feature for the market orders is brilliant and very helpful.
Good luck with it anyway
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woddel
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.06 10:09:00 -
[141]
hello everybody!
a new feature is very close to be finished on eve commander: due to many requests by the user base, i have put up basic corporate information pages. these include transactions, wallets, assets and market orders. they do not include stuff like POS data etc. this sensible data is still not being pulled by my apps.
corp information must be activated for each corp by the CEO and him only. he also decides which users within eve commander (and his corp, of course) get to see that information (i assume the same guys who have respective access to that data ingame too). for the moment, there is only global access: it can't be broken down to like specific wallet accounts and stuff. requests for access are to be directed to me by email. there is a one time setup fee of 10 million isk.
i want to specify that this service is mainly directed to smaller and personal corporations and also that all your data is still and always secure with me.
have a great weekend in space!
woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve-commander
complete web based character information tool. |
woddel
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.08 17:50:00 -
[142]
hello all
the new corporate features as described below are fully ready for deployment. ceo's can email me for activation. see above for more information.
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creator and maintainer of eve-commander
complete web based character information tool. |
Dmian
Starline Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.08 21:26:00 -
[143]
Edited by: Dmian on 08/06/2008 21:28:03
Sorry, just a little dumb question to several people that talked about a standalone app: What makes you think that a standalone app is more secure than a server app?
So far as I know, a standalone app could send your happy full API key to an undisclosed server database, where a server app could then gather ALL you information. If a standalone app is capable of connecting to the internet, then it's capable of sending whatever data it handles to a web server... (look how viruses send data without people even knowing.)
If you really want to know if an application that uses the internet is secure, then you need to sniff all the outgoing packets while the app is running and then with another tool figure out if the app is sending data to a server it shouldn't be contacting.
Have any of you performed that type of auditing on the standalone apps you use to see if they are really secure?
The other way would be to audit the source code and then build the binary from source code, to be sure that what you saw is exactly what you are using.
Don't fool yourself by thinking that because the application is running on your machine is more secure than an application on a server. As long as you have the 80 port open to an application (and you'll need that at least to recover your information from the EVE DB) you have an open channel for it to send ANY information you have put inside that application.
The only way to be sure about an application is a) to make it yourself or b) to audit its sourcecode and build from it.
Any other scenario is potentially unsafe and the only guarantee you have is the trust (or lack of) in the maker.
So, for me, eve-commander is as safe as Evemon if I provide the limited API key for both.
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Eve Alpha - The font of Eve - Get it here |
Bel Amar
Interslice Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.08 22:16:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Dmian
So far as I know, a standalone app could send your happy full API key to an undisclosed server database, where a server app could then gather ALL you information.
That stuff is easy to sniff and/or block at the firewall.
Simply make sure the app can only talk with the eve api server itself and nothing else, and you can fairly much guarantee your data is only kept locally
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Dmian
Starline Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.08 23:11:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Bel Amar
That stuff is easy to sniff and/or block at the firewall.
Simply make sure the app can only talk with the eve api server itself and nothing else, and you can fairly much guarantee your data is only kept locally
Correct. That's if your firewall can block on a per-domain level. Most of the ones I've tried block on a port level (for example, the Windows firewall.)
And even if you can restrict the domains to which the app can connect, is very simple to convince a user to allow communication with his/her domain by simply adding an auto-upgrade function.
So what I mean is, if you want to be "safe", enforce a paranoid policy about what you download from the net and use on your computer as well as which sites you provide with sensible data... or put in EVE terms: trust nobody.
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Eve Alpha - The font of Eve - Get it here |
woddel
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.09 05:44:00 -
[146]
Edited by: woddel on 09/06/2008 05:45:47
hia dmian and bel amar
well, there is an easy way for you to check who is accessing your data on the ccp api server:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/api/log.asp
any connection from eve commander, evemon or any other application is logged there. the ip address of eve commander is 213.189.148.219. so, there is no way i could hide 'secret' data collection connects.
and yes: there is never ever real security in anything. not even life... :)
cheerios, woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve-commander
complete web based character information tool. |
Mercurus
Pukin' Dogs
D0GMA
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:00:00 -
[147]
Hi woddel
Thanks for the extremly nice and helpfull application and congratulation, a great job for only playing the game for that short amount of time. 
Mercurus
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Archon T'orn
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:34:00 -
[148]
Edited by: Archon T''orn on 09/06/2008 18:36:10
Originally by: woddel
hia absolutor. thanks... :)
and yes. finally: i got my forum pic. so the ones that mistrusted me because i did not have one can now be happy... :)
Apparently you misunderstand the reason behind the 'exclamation point of doomsauce' flame...
It shows up on new characters for the first 4-6 weeks, meaning you're either an alt (highly plausible) or a brand new toon that has a full and complete understanding of Eve and its functions and goals for players (highly unlikely).
I personally think that while you application may be first rate, the fact that a new guy with only a few months experience knows:
1. in its entirety how the API system works and relates to other aspects
2. cannot understand how data mining can be profitable or why the prospect would scare off most people (though knows the asset/market info enough to include cool features)
3. acts like a newb in regards to security, player lore, et al... but, as stated, knows what we need/want
gives me adequate pause. There's more that prevents me from jumping on the bandwagon, but those three are the biggest points I see people hinting at.
Edit: This toon's an alt. He's been around longer than some players... would that raise your confidence if the roles were reversed? |
woddel
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:51:00 -
[149]
hello Archon T'orn
:) alright, to your points:
1: well, this is not that hard to understand, the api-thing: i am a software engineer and with 35 years of age and 12 years of experience in html, javascript, database design, application development and xml file structures, maybe a bit faster in understanding complex matters than others.
2: i understand perfectly well how it could be used to my own advantage. but this does not mean in any way that i need or want to do it. eve is large, complex and interesting enough that there is no reason for cheating to take some shortcut. i still firmly believe (as a now 5 month old eve player) that trade routes that are 15 jumps away from my homebase are of no interest to me.
3. well, i am a 5 month old char. now. when i started eve commander, i was at two month. so, yes: i was a noob and maybe a bit blue eyed. but we swiss people tend to be more trusting and less on the paranoid side. so that was a handicap for me. i learned that the hard way in these pages of discussion... :) and most features have been designed as i played along and discovered my own needs. and some features have been suggested to me by the user base.
at the end, i can only state (once again) that more than 500 players chose to trust me and subscribed. they can't all be wrong and there has been no complaining so far (except that little story a bit up which was resolved as pure coincidence).
cheerios, woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve-commander
complete web based character information tool. |
woddel
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:07:00 -
[150]
hello again.
new feature : industry production. screen shows what you are producing and when it is done and where. it's beta for the moment and will be enhanced within the next few days (invention etc). enjoy... :)
screenshot is, as usual, on the about page.
cheerios, woddel
ps : during extended downtime tomorrow, eve commander will be down as well. this, as ccp also turns of the api servers for the time needed to release the empyrean age expansion.
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creator and maintainer of eve-commander
complete web based character information tool. |
Dmian
Starline Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:27:00 -
[151]
Woddel, just a little suggestion about the site: if you group the preview pictures on lightbox, the pictures can be navigated using next/previous. Right now you have to click one by one.
Also: are you using tables for layout?
You should really consider moving to a tableless design. Really, when you get to understand it, it's faster than using table layout (and more flexible.) You'll never use Dreamweaver to code a page again
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Jita Jolene
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Posted - 2008.06.11 20:48:00 -
[152]
So you have made it so all the data comes to your site. Isn't it a bit handy to have all that information about eve players in your hands?
Your privacy statement does read that individual info is kept confidential. I did not see where the broad statistics generated will not be used to the benefit of those running the database. It would be nice to see market trends before they become obvious to individuals. To see where the ISK in eve really lies. Not saying you intend these things, but nobody would know if you did.
Data harvesting FTW?
No thanks. Stand alone application, or nothing to do with it at all.
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woddel
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.11 21:21:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Jita Jolene
So you have made it so all the data comes to your site. Isn't it a bit handy to have all that information about eve players in your hands?
Your privacy statement does read that individual info is kept confidential. I did not see where the broad statistics generated will not be used to the benefit of those running the database. It would be nice to see market trends before they become obvious to individuals. To see where the ISK in eve really lies. Not saying you intend these things, but nobody would know if you did.
Data harvesting FTW?
No thanks. Stand alone application, or nothing to do with it at all.
hi jita jolene
i know the thread is getting longer and longer. this item has been discussed several times befor further up the thread.
in the end, it's a matter of trust. no exception to that.
but it sure would be interesting to make such broad trend analysis on the basis of a few hundred users spread across an universe with about 5000 starsystems and a total user base of a few hundred thousand. very very representative and worth the trouble to loose all confidence of the eve commander users in me and grinding the project to a sure death. that must be what i would like to happen. sure... :)
end of comments. cheerios, woddel.
ps: and thanks for the free bump... :)
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Jita Jolene
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Posted - 2008.06.11 21:38:00 -
[154]
I did read all the posts AFTER I made mine. After reading them all, my confidence in the product pretty much fell to zero. No source code, no way.
You may be trustworthy and have no ulterior motives, but that does not remove the risk someone makes by using your program. The wise arse comment about the value of your user data does wonders for the confidence.
Using this with the full API has to be the most irresponsible thing someone with directorship in large corp or alliance could do to betray the trust others place in them.
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Jaabaa Prime
Quam Singulari
Warp to Desktop
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Posted - 2008.06.11 21:44:00 -
[155]
Edited by: Jaabaa Prime on 11/06/2008 21:44:45
Originally by: woddel
in the end, it's a matter of trust. no exception to that.
Correct, there are no exceptions in EVE, as EVE's history has already shown:
EIB Scam ISK Value: 800 billion ISK
GHSC infiltration ISK Value: 30 billion ISK
Get Rich Quick: Corp Theft ISK Value: 25 billion ISK
Then you come with:
EVE Commander (all your characters on the account, all their wallet information, trades, trade routes, etc.) ISK Value: almost immeasurable.
Go figure ..... would you *REALLY* trust someone else with your online API key unless you *REALLY* have to ?
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Kaber Jost
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Posted - 2008.06.11 22:32:00 -
[156]
So don't use it. It's that simple. |
Phallan Jardis
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Posted - 2008.06.11 22:37:00 -
[157]
Isn't it clear enough guys?
Don't want to, don't do it!
You sound like an old story common in Mexico:
There's and old hag hanging around in the windowpane in her living room. Then sees a pair of teenagers kissing and fondling each other. She calls police, police tells the guys to go cuddle somewhere else. This situation repeats itself twice, each time the police taking the guys 1 block away. Third time the lady calls, police officer says "But, Ma'am, we've taken em 3 blocks away!" and the lady says "yeah, but i can still see em with binoculars".
As woddel says, its all about trust. If u want to, give ur key. I u don't, just steer clear. I, for one, gave my Full API key, with all things that imply....as said, i can easily reset the key if something starts smelling fishy.
What all those flamers sound like is "If I had this info, I would (scam/gank/sell spy info/insert your favorite paranoid delusion here) instead of helping the Community"
For traders...EveMeep does require Full API key, don't it? So, what's the matter?
Phallan Jardis
Member of Virtual Life Vanguard
Sylph Alliance
Playing Eve since Sept 2007
Not related in anyway with woddel. I'm just his customer.
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woddel
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.12 05:42:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Jita Jolene
Using this with the full API has to be the most irresponsible thing someone with directorship in large corp or alliance could do to betray the trust others place in them.
i agree with you that very influential chars will rather be more defensive with their keys. this is perfectly reasonable and correct. but i would like to say that these persons are not the main target group of eve commander - not everybody has been in the game for years and years like your main character must be. but the corp data features in eve commander are really great for ceos and directors of small corporations (let's say less than 50 people) who want to have an easy overview of what is happening.
for all larger corps or even alliances, there is the corporate edition of eve commander which a corp can install on their own webserver, including source code and support for feature upgrades. you must have missed this scanning through the older posts... :) so, that could cover their needs too.
cheerios, woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve-commander
complete web based character information tool. |
woddel
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.13 18:40:00 -
[159]
hello all
kirith kodachi wrote about eve commander in his blog:
http://ninveah.blogspot.com/2008/06/review-eve-commander.html
cheerios, woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve-commander
complete web based character information tool. |
Viqtoria
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.13 18:47:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Jita Jolene
So you have made it so all the data comes to your site. Isn't it a bit handy to have all that information about eve players in your hands?
Your privacy statement does read that individual info is kept confidential. I did not see where the broad statistics generated will not be used to the benefit of those running the database. It would be nice to see market trends before they become obvious to individuals. To see where the ISK in eve really lies. Not saying you intend these things, but nobody would know if you did.
Data harvesting FTW?
No thanks. Stand alone application, or nothing to do with it at all.
dude.
Woddel joined eve uni, they never seemed like a real newb for a second, almost immediately they then create this nice little application that sucks all the info about you via api to their *own PC, and has features that industry types and long term players would like and everything, and on and on....*own pc!
what else is kinda funny is their name sounds like kodell who was also in eve uni/ivy league/NAGA, a big industry type and a 'member' of GHSC (no not my corp, the other one  ) iirc.
Data harvesting? hell yeah
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woddel
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.13 20:49:00 -
[161]
hello viqtoria
hmmm, interesting. your name sounds like victoria, which was once queen of england. so, you must be very famous and very very dead or you had a terrible typo when you created your character... :) so much for character names.
for most of your comment, i refer to my post nr 157 a bit up.
and last, it's not a THEY, it's a ME. one man show.
and isn't eve uni the place to go when one is new? this was recommended to me when i was new and that's why i joined there. only the continuous war decs by others made me leave because i am not the pvp type guy.
cheerios, woddel
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woddel
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.17 21:20:00 -
[162]
hello all...
a new page 'market data' is available:
it gives you vital help in planning your trading routes : see all prices for your trade portfolio in all your trading stations based on your own data exports. you can also check out detailed market orders and prices in all your stations for specific items.
all data has to be collected by you using market exports. advantage: it's as current and complete as you need it to be (in comparison to eve central). disadvantage: it's a bit of work... :)
but you can link it together with your corp mates, alts or friends to use one shared pool of data to get the most out of it. except in this case, there is no sharing or exchange of data with other users of eve commander. me included, of course.
current users of eve commander: check out the online help for more information.
screenshots are available here.
cheerios, woddel
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Uda Nahn
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.18 20:08:00 -
[163]
Great tool, great guy! I know him personally and yes, he is a noob eve-wise but a very good coder
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Jaabaa Prime
Quam Singulari
Warp to Desktop
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Posted - 2008.06.18 22:36:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Uda Nahn
Great tool, great guy! I know him personally and yes, he is a noob eve-wise but a very good coder
Yeah, we believe you.
Like hell we do ...
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Gigi Kent
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.18 23:01:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Uda Nahn
Great tool, great guy! I know him personally and yes, he is a noob eve-wise but a very good coder
Yeah, we believe you.
Like hell we do ...
[enables backseat moderation]
Stop trolling trolly mc trollykins
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Jaabaa Prime
Quam Singulari
Warp to Desktop
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Posted - 2008.06.18 23:11:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Gigi Kent
[enables backseat moderation]
Stop trolling trolly mc trollykins
[/disables backseat moderation]
Not trolling (but some might call your post that), just warning the EVE community.
So consider my post as a public service. Knowledge is power, so don't give that knowledge about your character (all alts on you account), especially the full API (just about everything you do in EVE), to anyone.
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woddel
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.19 09:00:00 -
[167]
:) i also thank you for providing the public service of bumping this thread.
cheerios, woddel
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Misspelled
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Posted - 2008.06.19 13:00:00 -
[168]
pretty amazing for traders
could you include corp data with it please? id like to sort my corp hangars with that
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Varrakk
Phantom Squad
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Posted - 2008.06.19 14:38:00 -
[169]
Awesome! I wanted exactly this kinda tool, wich we could read and send evemails with Full API keys....HINT-HINT
Rock is overpowered, please nerf.
Paper is fine.
Yours truly,
Scissors |
woddel
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.19 15:57:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Misspelled
pretty amazing for traders
could you include corp data with it please? id like to sort my corp hangars with that
hello misspelled
you can have that. if you are ceo of your corp, write me a note and i can activate corporate data for you. check out the history page for more details.
cheerios, woddel
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Uda Nahn
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.19 21:37:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Uda Nahn
Great tool, great guy! I know him personally and yes, he is a noob eve-wise but a very good coder
Yeah, we believe you.
Up to you mate, but honestly I give a damn if you believe me or not
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Ikki Phoenix
NightHawk Phantom Fleet
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Posted - 2008.06.22 02:42:00 -
[172]
I would like to also provide a free bump for Eve Commander and a review
I have been a client/user of Woddel's Eve Commander ever since it was released and I don't have any complaints.
The tool is great and the support is great.
Every time myself or one of my guys has had a problem(we are also using the corporate tools),Woddel took the time to fix and explain.
I would recommend this tool and doing business with Woddel to any Eve players
EveMag:Download Location 3
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Mercurus
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2008.06.23 08:45:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
You can download EveMag by clicking on the link in my signature
Cannot find sig or link 
Please link again
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woddel
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.25 11:50:00 -
[174]
hello all
the corporate edition of eve commander is now ready for deployment. two orders are already in the works!
the corporate edition of eve commander allows eve commander to be hosted on the player corp's own webserver or hosting provider (as long as the technical requirements can be met). this gives an additional layer of security to your sensitive data, plus allowing all your corp mates to use eve commander for free on your own copy.
more details about the corporate edition can be found here:
http://www.eve-commander.com/corporate.cfm
for questions, please contact me by email. only ceo's or people with ceo's approval can order.
cheerios, woddel
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Ikki Phoenix
NightHawk Phantom Fleet
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Posted - 2008.06.26 09:27:00 -
[175]
Edited by: Ikki Phoenix on 26/06/2008 09:28:41
Originally by: Mercurus
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
You can download EveMag by clicking on the link in my signature
Cannot find sig or link
Please link again
Here it is http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/avguste/EveMag2.pdf
And it can also be accessed thru the link on my signature
EveMag:Download Location 3
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Drizit
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Posted - 2008.06.26 09:46:00 -
[176]
Nice Idea Woddel but I personally think more players would go for it if you created a stand-alone application that they could download and run on their own PC.
If you've been playing Eve that long, you'll know why players feel a bit edgy about giving out full access to information about their characters.
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woddel
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.26 11:36:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Drizit
Nice Idea Woddel but I personally think more players would go for it if you created a stand-alone application that they could download and run on their own PC.
If you've been playing Eve that long, you'll know why players feel a bit edgy about giving out full access to information about their characters.
hello drizit
here a quote from an older post, answering your questions:
"as written on a few previous posts a few pages up, eve commander has been explicitly developed as a web application (coldfusion and sql: this is what i CAN do). it can't be 'transformed' into a desktop standalone app (C+ or VB: something i can NOT program). i can only achieve results according to my programming skills. and also, i would not WANT to have a desktop app, as then i need to install something more on my computer and i could quite possibly NOT use it at work (or at school/uni for all scholars out there). check post #112 for more on this."
as said, desktop apps is something i don't know how to do. this i leave to some other coders out there... :)
cheerios, woddel
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woddel
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.26 21:02:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Drizit
Nice Idea Woddel but I personally think more players would go for it...
oh, and this is not my greatest goal at all. currently, the userbase is way beyond 600 and i a very content about that. i don't expect that everybody is going to want to use eve commander. that is not intended at all. i rather keep a small crowd happy than a too large userbase with too many questions unanswered. i would not have the time for that. see post 173 for more about that... :)
cheerios, woddel
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naked rabbit
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.06.29 08:40:00 -
[179]
Dear Woddel
Thank you for maintaining that nice Application! I enjoy it very much. But I have one questions : Could you make a feature where I can compare the skills of two characters directly side by side? (like me and my Alt) That would be very nice!
Fly Safe!
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.29 19:43:00 -
[180]
Edited by: woddel on 29/06/2008 19:43:28
Originally by: naked rabbit
Dear Woddel
Thank you for maintaining that nice Application! I enjoy it very much. But I have one questions : Could you make a feature where I can compare the skills of two characters directly side by side? (like me and my Alt) That would be very nice!
hello rabbit
thanks for the comment... :) and yes, that is a good idea. i will put it on my task list... :))
cheerios, woddel
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.29 21:30:00 -
[181]
i've just found this new page on the web with another independent review of eve commander:
http://www.eve-mag.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=80:review-eve-commandercom&catid=41:reviews&Itemid=82
cheerios, woddel
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
NightHawk Phantom Fleet
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Posted - 2008.06.29 23:57:00 -
[182]
Interesting
Those guys do not depend from me.
I am emailing them right now cause they are using the name of my mag
EveMag:Download Location 3
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
NightHawk Phantom Fleet
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Posted - 2008.07.03 05:37:00 -
[183]
Bump for a great tool
EveMag:Download Location 3
Get Eve Commander now |
woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:16:00 -
[184]
bump for once... :)
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MarleWH
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Posted - 2008.07.08 22:10:00 -
[185]
Who cares. Cool program, I don't need it, not gonna rip on the guy for his work. If he is scamming and makes shitton of isk, good for him.
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.07.14 20:42:00 -
[186]
i gratefully say hello and thanks to the 750th user of eve commander... :)
cheerios, woddel
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clonkrieger
Imperium Forces
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.25 17:03:00 -
[187]
sites not working
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WoDeZ II
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:03:00 -
[188]
Originally by: woddel
Originally by: Arkham Lerouge
Woddel,
could you please tell me who is "WoDeZ II" ? Is that one of your alts? Just asking, because i saw strange things happen since I registered and started using EVE-commander, and even more strange things just after I stopped using it..
why are you talking about me ??
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.07.27 08:23:00 -
[189]
Originally by: clonkrieger
sites not working
hia clonkrieger
it works again (for the moment)... i was having heavy trouble with my internet connection the past two days. vdsl link was always up, so it must have been some routing problem on the provider's side. i seriously hope they got to fix this up... :)
cheerios, woddel
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complete web based character information tool. |
woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.07.27 08:26:00 -
[190]
Edited by: woddel on 27/07/2008 08:25:50
Originally by: WoDeZ II
Originally by: woddel
Originally by: Arkham Lerouge
Woddel,
could you please tell me who is "WoDeZ II" ? Is that one of your alts? Just asking, because i saw strange things happen since I registered and started using EVE-commander, and even more strange things just after I stopped using it..
why are you talking about me ??
yeah, people ask very funny questions and make all kinds of weird conclusions. i assume this comes from lack of sleep and their own stink of not taking a shower for a week... :) this statement is in no way specifically directed at arkham, but to a large lot of folks in this forum in general... :))
woddel
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.07.28 06:34:00 -
[191]
Originally by: clonkrieger
sites not working
ollas everybody. sorry for the trouble. i only could call up my isp now. in the end, there was an ip conflict on their router (the somehow managed to double-use my personal 8-ip subnet with another customer). this is why eve commander was mostly not available this weekend. the problem is now registered at the isp and the site should work again soon. i am very sorry for this, even if there is nothing i could do about it... :( at least, it was the first time in 18 month my line was #*@&% up. i expect it won't happen again.
cheerios, woddel
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.08.03 21:20:00 -
[192]
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i am looking for coldfusion developers
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hello all.
as eve commander is growing, i am getting a bit overwhelmed with feature request and my own ideas are stacking up. but as like most of us, we do have limited time to do certain things we want to do. therefore, i am seeking an additional application developer who is interested in bringing eve commander to further levels of sophistication.
what i can offer:
- a fairly high tech playground to try new technologies and means to achieve results.
- not very very much in means of assets. i have not yet thought that out yet completely. of course, full credit and some share of the isk coming in. up to discussions. it's not that i am getting insanely rich with this project...
- the love of more than 800 users craving for new features
- being a part of the currently largest site of its kind
- and of course free full access for all your chars and alts for life
what i really really look for:
- GOOD knowledge of the programming language coldfusion (version mx8 used)
- well, if you know the above, you will most likely also be quite strong in sql and javascript, css and html
- maybe already some experience with the ccp database export (and it's structure). but this is optional
- a flair for trying out things and not being too lazy to dig into some research if necessary
the development environment:
- will be a separate staging site where you will have full access to your character's data for testing. you will NOT have access to the data of the regular user base (according to my privacy statement i have on the site).
some of the feature ideas for consideration and development:
- item database with popups in all relevant places (like ship setup details)
- more analysis and display tools in transactions, wallet and marketdata
- calculation of net worth based on imported prices from evecentral
- making the app multi language capable (german - i can do the translations)
- lots of small tweaks here and there
- new and specific features for the corporate version of eve commander including
- total overviews across all wallets
- a small shopping cart application for corp members (in development)
- maybe some stuff with POS data
- basic killboard data (very simple, it's not the idea to compete with existing solutions there)
and much more...
if you are honestly interested, please feel send me an email with questions, ideas and/or your interest to help me (and the eve community) with this project. i prefer regular email over ingame, as you can reply easier - check my email address on the homepage. for a start, i am looking for ONE developer, TWO at the max to keep things simple and manageable.
i hope to hear from you devs out there... :)
fly safe! woddel
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.08.09 13:02:00 -
[193]
finally! upon availability and testing, the current core database from empyrean age has been imported into eve commander. this means that all items and especially the starmap (including the new region 'black rise') are now uptodate again. also, all item icons have been updated as well - this is especially visible on the ships-page. have fun.
woddel
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Terrante
Tech 1 Holdings Limited
Tech Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2008.08.13 18:05:00 -
[194]
Bump for a cool application, with a lot of potential
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Dr Electra
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Posted - 2008.08.19 18:51:00 -
[195]
Hello Woddel
Gratulations for this Application. It is very nice and I use it a lot. Will you ever do more Information on the Industral Page?
Greetings from Germany |
woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.08.21 14:29:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Dr Electra
Hello Woddel
Gratulations for this Application. It is very nice and I use it a lot. Will you ever do more Information on the Industral Page?
Greetings from Germany
Hello Electra
yes, it's been busy weeks... i've done lots of small improvements all over the place. the industry section should be receiving some more love soon. send me an email when you have specific ideas or requests. i will check if i can do them.
cheerios, woddel |
woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.08.31 08:27:00 -
[197]
bump, once in a while... :) approaching 1000 users.
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.09.04 14:21:00 -
[198]
market data received some love: new views 'regions by station' (all stations, not only the defined trading posts) and 'region global' (basically a similar view like in eve). this means that a lot more data is imported (the full region, not only the data necessary for the defined trading posts). to counter that, all data older than 30 days will be deleted in a daily robot. an upcoming features will integrate corporate market orders and improve other details.
cheerios, woddel
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.09.14 08:18:00 -
[199]
hello everybody!
the 'character' page now shows your current clone grade! it flashes red when it is below your actual skill point value. also, there is an alert on the homepage when you log in (or quick change character). this is a feature not even evemon has implemented. no need to die with a loss of skill points because you did forget about your clone...
cheerios, woddel
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Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.09.16 03:37:00 -
[200]
I use this software religiously for a considerably large project and have nothing but good things to say about it. On the odd occasions that issues have occured (technical or billing) I have had open email contact with woddel within hours of my request.
Regarding the billing, there are full blown invoices sent out by email every month advising on the amount owed, the char to pay, the required payment date etc. Here's an exerpt of an invoice emailed through to me: http://eve-files.com/dl/173105
While I can not say for sure if the information is used by Woddel I am fairly confident that the service has been designed for it's users and profits deriven and not personal gain. |
Res Tance
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.09.16 14:24:00 -
[201]
This is a great tool.
Tried it out just now, and whilst I appreciate the directors of big corps and alliances won't feel safe using it I have no such issue.
Mine away my limited trade info if you really want it, what I get back is well worth it.
Good work.
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.09.16 21:55:00 -
[202]
hello ricdics
thanks for your praise and confidence... :) i appreciate this very much.
billing is a fully automated process by a small robot program running daily. the only in-game information the program looks at is your overall account balance to calculate the price. no other information is used. it is a process i think will change sometimes in the future, as too many user keep their money within their corp and so always stay below 20 mil (not trying to 'cheat' me, but that's the way they do things, which is basically fine) - to keep it fair for my side. but i can also say that i received generious donations from some of these users which felt that i should be rewarded some for my work. anyway, billing is going to change to some other method, but i have not decided yet on how and when... :)
cheerios
woddel
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Anahid Brutus
TunkbwahCorp
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.21 16:13:00 -
[203]
Great work, thanks
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.09.28 21:55:00 -
[204]
hello everybody!
new addition on eve commander:
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character page expanded: if you have registered multiple accounts and linked them together, character information now shows a new menue 'all characters' where you get three screens with global data showing all characters on one page. info shown: names, corp, cash, skills, current learning & time left, attributes and clone status. very handy to have a quick glance at all your accounts. this also works for limited edition users!
screenshots will come up sometimes soon. it's too late now: time for bed... :)
cheerios
woddel
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complete web based character information tool. |
Lt Shard
Heracles.
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.29 15:47:00 -
[205]
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
This guy doesn't know who Chribba is, and freely admits that...can he really be trusted?
he can be trusted, |
woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.10.01 19:43:00 -
[206]
oh, i lost my head... how could that happen? back to exclamation mark like in the first two month of my life...
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Faife
Minmatar
Noctiscion
The Black Isle
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Posted - 2008.10.01 20:15:00 -
[207]
if you're still looking for CF coders, evemail me.
i don't have tons of free time but i do have experience with that godforsaken thing . . .
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.10.16 05:44:00 -
[208]
b÷mp
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creator and maintainer of eve-commander
complete web based character information tool. |
woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.10.18 21:52:00 -
[209]
howdy all
market data has received an update: an experimental integration of eve-central.com data. their data is available in a realtime datastream and has been imported for several weeks now, filling up the database to more than 600'000 recordsà to keep that at bay, only the last 7 days of data are kept. when you view market data, a slighly lighter background indicates the use of more recent eve-central.com data as to the one you uploaded manually.
cheerios, woddel
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complete web based character information tool. |
namelessclone01
Caldari
blackbox ops
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Posted - 2008.10.24 02:06:00 -
[210]
i just registered with a limited API key and will probably upgrade to the full API thing soon, since the full application is looking really great (judging from the screenshots).
you've done a great work here.
it's a shame that full API keys lead to all these problems with trust and that CCP didn't buy your work outright. ;) it would have really benefited their own website.
i wish i had a coldfusion server available to me to run my own copy.
i also have a couple of questions and/or proposals for future features:
1. has anything come out of your contacts with Chribba? or did your interaction with him stop at the early stage in March 2008?
2. concerning the skills i haven't yet met the requirements for, is it possible to calculate the total time needed to train all the missing prerequisites and provide that info on the skill popup? i'm sure it's possible algorithmically, just not sure if it's worth the processing power and time..
3. does either limited or full API provide info on jump clones (with their respective implant sets), FW decorations, faction/corp standings? if it does, are there any plans to integrate that info into your application?
wishing you all the best.
keep it up!
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Sareah Mhar'kez
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Posted - 2008.10.24 03:06:00 -
[211]
Great work on this website. Fantastic layout. Looking forward to using it more. :)
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Warn1nG Soul
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2008.10.24 15:13:00 -
[212]
i dont feel safe to put my full api key there, yet xD, but anyways, great work :).
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2008.10.24 17:48:00 -
[213]
very nice, looks good
I can even see what's in my containers in station from afar,something the game doesn't allow
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.10.24 21:23:00 -
[214]
hello namelessclone01
thanks for your comments. makes me happy to see people like my work. to your questions:
1. has anything come out of your contacts with Chribba? or did your interaction with him stop at the early stage in March 2008?
nope, there was nothing new after that. the api proxy does not seem to be ready yet (if it is still in development alltogether).
2. concerning the skills i haven't yet met the requirements for, is it possible to calculate the total time needed to train all the missing prerequisites and provide that info on the skill popup? i'm sure it's possible algorithmically, just not sure if it's worth the processing power and time..
yes, i could look into this sometimes... :) calculating the tree of skills first and then going for the respective times. but evemon does such a great job here (also displaying that graphically), it's not a big priority for me.
3. does either limited or full API provide info on jump clones (with their respective implant sets), FW decorations, faction/corp standings? if it does, are there any plans to integrate that info into your application?
there is not info on jump clones yet. also standings. maybe they add it some times. would be nice to have to be able to calculate like met requirements for an agent finder.
cheerios, woddel
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.10.24 21:26:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Warn1nG Soul
i dont feel safe to put my full api key there, yet xD, but anyways, great work :).
hello Warn1nG Soul
easy. i understand your reservations. whenever you think i am trustworthy, you can upgrade. some current numbers : there are 1'273 accounts at the moment, 1'051 of them are full keys.
cheerios, woddel
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Andreis
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Posted - 2008.10.25 04:31:00 -
[216]
I'm comming from an objective view, having just come across your forum here, I think you really need to look into making this a stand-alone program.
I don't think you would even need to change the format, just switch the database over to an access db or include a sql setup in the install package and use localhost instead for the user's machine.
You see it's not just that people don't trust you. I for one think you are totally genuine.
The problem is, you are putting all that valuable data in one place. Even if you don't use it for anything, the possiablity is there. Also if, by some crazy process, someone else gains access to your database, they will then have access to that data.
Since all that data about people's pos's and market actions is in one place, it means your DB is a big target for hackers and the like. One could make a decent amount of isk (or even real money) on selling that info or use it to gain an unfair advantage in Eve.
One final insight, unless you have found some way around it that I have yet to see. You still have the problem of those API keys and the data they request being transmitted in plain text between your server and the Eve api system.
This is a huge problem since someone between you and the server, or in the area of either, can monitor the traffic happening there and start collecting the data themselves. This is a fairly easy operation and the only way around it is an SSL link to the eve server which, as far as I know, the API system does not support.
This is just one of those things where a single location/web server is not a good solution. I know many people have told you similiar things on this forum but I say this again only because it is kinda important, not only to the people that give you this information but also to the general stability of Eve.
We know you are not up to no good with this tool, but many players in Eve ARE up to no good and would love a target like this one to try and hack. Believe me, the best way to handle information in Eve is as distributed as possiable.
Please consider switching this over to a stand-alone program.
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woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.10.25 09:06:00 -
[217]
Edited by: woddel on 25/10/2008 09:15:46
Originally by: Andreis
I'm comming from an objective view, having just come across your forum here, I think you really need to look into making this a stand-alone program...
hello andreis.
thanks for your objective feedback. Here my comments to your thoughts and questions:
a standalone program is not possible in the way of like evemon etc. The database has an empty size of about 250 megabytes, a lot more with data. also, the language it has been programmed with (coldfusion) is a web-based language like php/asp. but in contradiction to php/asp, this is not free software - the server software comes at 1300 dollars. ms access would also be rather too weak and slow for a database of such proportions. so, it takes a webhoster to run this page. this IS an option, as there IS a corporate edition of eve commander a corp can buy and run on their own servers (or at a hoster of their choice). eve commander never was intended by concept as a single user local installation software. there is other stuff for that: evemon, eft etc. the whole idea IS that you can access your data from anywhere at any time, being it at work, at university, at school or at a friend's.
concerning security: the server is located in switzerland, a country with very high standards in infrastructure and law. i know my provider (all the techies etc, as it is also the carrier isp for my own real life company) and their network setup very well. i do NOT think that there is a security concern of somebody tapping into that link for a long number of hops. doing a traceroute to the ccp api server, there are only three large providers/carriers involved from here to there.
last, i am a computer engineering specialist. i firmly believe that the data of all users (as well as my own) is well protected by firewall, software configuration and application security.
at last, i can only assure you again that i do my very very best to keep this software safe and trustworthy. all also in my very own interest for my own data and eve commander as a decent source of ingame income for me. i am very well aware that only the smallest problems could kill the project quickly. and of course my standard sentence in these cases: if you do not feel safe, do not use it.
cheerios, woddel
edit : EvEHQ is a standalone app that could be an option for you: EvEHQ |
Mister Zero
Synergy Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.25 09:32:00 -
[218]
woddel, thank you for putting together a very impressive site. I too am using the limited key for now, I actually have no real reason to use the full one - but people are obviously paranoid. I think you've done a great job putting this together. It doesn't seem as though most of the negative comments are from people who understand what these API keys are for and what they can actually do.
If you're interested in signing up - but worried, use the limited key. Use an alt account just to try it out. It's an impressive site, very well done and I have no problem using my API key here, that's what it's for.
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Elitia
Gibberish Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.25 10:20:00 -
[219]
Just wanted to say that this is the best thing since sliced bread. Absolutely love it. |
woddel
Gallente
CH Manufacturing and Trading
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Posted - 2008.11.02 09:22:00 -
[220]
howdy all
due to the merger of my own mini-corp with a larger one, corporate management tools will be the next bigger step in development. raw ideas so far are the following modules: transportation tasks, production (including material calculator, mining planer, trade planner, pos management, expoloration management, general tasks and news for corp members. if any of you have specific ideas or wishes for these tools, please tell so...
cheerios, woddel
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Mustikki
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Posted - 2008.11.02 11:47:00 -
[221]
I love this more than eft, maybe more than evemon. At work when I can't play eve per se, I can check out my finances, check out how much I'm spending where, planning what to buy from where plus so much more.
All very important stuff at eve which I never have the patience to do at home. If only my employer knew how much of my worktime I devote to eve.. but we won't tell him, right?
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Chango Feltch
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Posted - 2008.11.02 15:08:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Phallan Jardis
EveMeep does require Full API key, don't it? So, what's the matter?
It smells all a bit sour grapes to me. Some people are jealous that he's made this and are desperate for the code so they can have their own version and wave their own epeen. Maybe a large cartel is desperate to keep this information to themselves and write similar apps themselves and Woddel wasn't part of that plan? Maybe I'm taking paranoid tablets but you get the idea.
I for one applaud him on the work he has done. Like many have said, don't like it, don't use it. |
woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2008.11.08 10:17:00 -
[223]
b÷mp
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Ghostwind
Gallente
Dead Skin Mask
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Posted - 2008.11.08 11:16:00 -
[224]
Edited by: Ghostwind on 08/11/2008 11:16:36
I haven't read through the entire thread, so bear with me.
This database would be too valuable for anyone to get a hold of. I am sure your intentions are sincere enough, but power corrupts, if not now then at a later date. If not you, then someone else on your team, or a hacker.
I wouldn't even trust the most trustworthy person besides myself in EVE-O, Chribba(sorry Chribba), a man who lives on his trust - regarding this database.
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Cheap Dude
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Posted - 2008.11.08 11:26:00 -
[225]
The tool looks good, looking at the screenshots. But I got one problem with it, you storing all things in a database. Information = power.. even in EVE. And with everything in a database you can read means you got alot of information and thus power.
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Aliedora
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Posted - 2008.11.08 11:30:00 -
[226]
the amount of negative whining in this thread is truly staggering. I've been using eve-commander with 3 accounts for over 2 months now and have only had good experience with it. woddel has been nothing but helpful and I applaud him for his continued efforts in maintaining eve-commander despite all the negativity that was thrown at him.
I am honestly surprised at some remarks voiced here. no one is stealing your stuff, you don't even have to provide your full API key to use eve-commander. in fact, no one is forcing you to use it, if you don't like it - then stop whining and gtfo.
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Ghostwind
Gallente
Dead Skin Mask
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Posted - 2008.11.09 20:34:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Aliedora
the amount of negative whining in this thread is truly staggering. I've been using eve-commander with 3 accounts for over 2 months now and have only had good experience with it. woddel has been nothing but helpful and I applaud him for his continued efforts in maintaining eve-commander despite all the negativity that was thrown at him.
I am honestly surprised at some remarks voiced here. no one is stealing your stuff, you don't even have to provide your full API key to use eve-commander. in fact, no one is forcing you to use it, if you don't like it - then stop whining and gtfo.
Seems like every point went right over your head.
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2008.11.13 17:26:00 -
[228]
howdy all
quantum rise data has been importedà only thing yet missing are the new icons for the orca and the like. they will be integrated as soon as they become available.
cheerios, woddel
ps: and thanks for the nice comments above. eve commander has close to 1'400 users now...
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Fantasy Desire
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Posted - 2008.11.13 19:12:00 -
[229]
woddel,
Very cool. Believe it or not, I read the a lot of this thread and came to the conclusion to give it a try. I figured I could always change my API key if I didn't like it. The one thing this thread does not talk about is it's cost. This was my only down point, so I stopped my registration. I realize nothing in life is free, but all the other "services" sites I use are based on donation. Actually, I'd probably end up giving you more than your fee, it just feels funny paying a monthly charge for, as you've stated several times a beta product.
Thanks for taking the time to make this though. It looks like a very nice product. Maybe when it's out of beta I'll give it a try.
Thanks Bud!
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2008.11.13 21:49:00 -
[230]
hello fantasy
beta? :) the project is long past beta and into productive use. i started developing eve commander this past february and it's been live since march.
the cost is always a point of discussion. i don't have a team of application developers at hand and so i end up spending a very large amount of time expanding the product, mostly based on feature requests from it's user base. it's very nice that you would consider donating for the project. but i would assume that you would be one of few. most people take everything for granted and expect it to be free. maybe i suck ingame playing eve, so this is one way to earn a living within the eve universe. and i would not consider a maximum of 8 mil isk for three (3) month a lot of money. this is like less than 15 minutes of ratting in 0.0 i heard.
... and the limited edition is completely free, as documented.
maybe you reconsider... :)
regards, woddel
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Quacka
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Posted - 2008.11.15 16:07:00 -
[231]
Waa! I want this for my corp so bad!I don't quite understand the payment system. So its a 1 time payment of 1 bill isk for a corp with less then 25 members. What if my corporation expands beyond 25 members? Will i need to pay an addition 500 mill or 1.5bill or nothing? Also does the monthly maintainance fee go on top of that or is that for it you want to pay by month instead of the one time fee?
Thank you,
Quacka |
woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2008.11.15 23:00:00 -
[232]
Originally by: Quacka
Waa! I want this for my corp so bad!...
Hia Quacka
thanks for your interest in the corporate edition of eve commander!
if you would like to use the corporate edition of eve commander on your own servers (if you can meet the requirements) or run your own customized copy on one of my own machines (like for example http://ec.thelordsofwar.org), it is a one time payment of 1 bil up, depending on corp size. if your corporation gets bigger, you only pay the difference to the desired new user limit.
the monthly maintainance is optional and additional to the one time setup fee and includes all future application updates. like in a while, there will be a lot of corporation collaboration tools like mining planers etc.
if the application is hosted on one of my own servers, i charge nothing for it. if it's on other servers, the respective hoster's fees apply - naturally. advantage for running it on my server is much easier maintainance/support for me and additional data for you (eve-central market data which is about a hundred megs extra in sql data plus distance/route tools (coming up soon) which take up another 900 meg (!) database. this could get VERY expensive on most webhosters.
if you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me.
cheerios, woddel |
Aliedora
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Posted - 2008.11.21 19:18:00 -
[233]
Originally by: woddel
Originally by: Quacka
Waa! I want this for my corp so bad!...
Hia Quacka
thanks for your interest in the corporate edition of eve commander!
if you would like to use the corporate edition of eve commander on your own servers (if you can meet the requirements) or run your own customized copy on one of my own machines (like for example http://ec.thelordsofwar.org), it is a one time payment of 1 bil up, depending on corp size. if your corporation gets bigger, you only pay the difference to the desired new user limit.
the monthly maintainance is optional and additional to the one time setup fee and includes all future application updates. like in a while, there will be a lot of corporation collaboration tools like mining planers etc.
if the application is hosted on one of my own servers, i charge nothing for it. if it's on other servers, the respective hoster's fees apply - naturally. advantage for running it on my server is much easier maintainance/support for me and additional data for you (eve-central market data which is about a hundred megs extra in sql data plus distance/route tools (coming up soon) which take up another 900 meg (!) database. this could get VERY expensive on most webhosters.
if you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me.
cheerios, woddel
woah, you mean there will be a jump planner in e-c soon? |
Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO
Minmatar
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.11.21 19:55:00 -
[234]
calm down pussies, you don't have to use it |
woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2008.11.22 11:55:00 -
[235]
hello everybody
market data got another expansion: your item portfolio can now be grouped by logical and free definable market data groups. you can now create groups like 'trade portfolio', 'pos materials', production necessities', 'production goods' etc. the more groups you create, the better is your overview over your stuff and the faster the application runs as there are fewer queries to run. groups are managed in the config page and are available as of right now. feedback welcome.
cheerios, woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2008.11.22 12:02:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Aliedora
woah, you mean there will be a jump planner in e-c soon?
hello Aliedora
yes, there should be. i'm still trying to figure out an efficient way to do things like 'avoid lowsec' (or the reverse) and stuff. also, what could be done to create some great new uses for such a tool: a tool that simply tells you the route from A to B is somewhat boring. features could be like : 'i need to run trade deliveries from jita to oursualert, dodixie, orvolle, rens and dresi - what is the shortest route around?'
coming up sometimes... :)
so far it's been used on a little side project 'eve commander agent finder' -> agents.eve-commander.com.
cheerios, woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2008.11.26 16:47:00 -
[237]
Edited by: woddel on 26/11/2008 16:47:38
<- hey, i got my head back... :) after like 4 month without... jupeee
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2008.12.06 23:41:00 -
[238]
hello pilots
eve commander received another free tool open to everybody (including non-subscribers):
a routeplaner that calculates jump count and route from any start solar system to another. it allows selection for 'highsec only', 'lowsec only' or 'any sec'.
you can also add a number of pass through systems and the system will calculate the shortest possible route through all of them. if the start and destination system are the same, it will calculate the shortest possible 'circle route'. this is great for market delivery runs and stuff.
direct link: eve commander route calculator
enjoy... feedback welcome, as usual!
woddel
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ZinderX500
Caldari
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.07 02:05:00 -
[239]
Nice job woddel !
It's great.
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2008.12.15 17:50:00 -
[240]
two new corporate edition copies sold... thanks to the buyers!
woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool and ec agent finder |
Monikerina
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:34:00 -
[241]
Originally by: woddel
1'051 of them are full keys.
We have no way of verifying this. It is common for scammers to tell people they are trust worthy. People who are trust worthy don't need to keep saying how trust worthy they are.
Words means nothing. Your privacy statement has no binding effect so is meaningless.
Great idea for a program. Wish it was in a form I could trust rather than this data harvesting/mining web page.
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2008.12.21 11:37:00 -
[242]
hello monikerina
well, it's 1'626 users now with 1'349 full keys. do with this information as you wish... :) if you want eve commander anyway, you can buy a corporate edition and run it on your own servers. this IS an available option.
to all users of eve commander: thank you for your support, your ideas and your trust in me and this project.
cheerios and merry christmas!
woddel
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Mikal Drey
Minmatar
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.21 17:44:00 -
[243]
Out of EVE
I would like to know where you stand on this app ?
It has the same functionality as eve-commander but has been provided free to the playerbase. with OOE being free do you still intend to chare for eve-commander
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2008.12.21 21:41:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Mikal Drey
Out of EVE
I would like to know where you stand on this app ?
It has the same functionality as eve-commander but has been provided free to the playerbase. with OOE being free do you still intend to charge for eve-commander
hi mikal
i've seen out of eve and checked it out a bit. it's been under development for about 6 month less than eve commander - you can't really only compare it based on the standard features. i think eve commander offers a bit more with market data analysis, full corporate data and upcoming corporate collaboration tools. but it is not up to me to pass judgment. each tool has its own goal, target group, strengths and weaknesses.
i charge for eve commander for the following reasons: server maintainance costs (alone the database is more than 2 gigs at the moment) and continued motivation for development work. and believe me, this IS a LOT of work. my love for the game and the community is great, but not endless... :)
i don't believe i have to justify myself in the end, but i think that charging something for it improves trust that the data is not being misused for data mining (as so often suggested, see two up in this thread). this, because if i would misuse the data, i would not only immediately destroy my integrity, growing reputation and trust amongst the userbase, but also undermine my own income source for eve. that would be a rather silly thing to do.
in the end, you are free to choose which product you trust and want to use.
but, also to have said that: two other tools of mine ARE free: the agent finder and route calculator.
:) cheerios and merry christmas, woddel
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luurch
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Posted - 2008.12.24 17:10:00 -
[245]
I'm gonna say one thing... "zomg! It's everything via web! I can check market data and research jobs from a mobile phone!" p.s. If you use my api key for evil, well meh... My dad works for mi5 and he already knows where you live..
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John'eh
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Posted - 2008.12.24 20:33:00 -
[246]
Your server is so insecure it is not funny, and you expect people to put sensitive data on your server? Are you joking?!
And your using windows as a server host? Running a VERY old and exploitable version of apache? You must not like the people who trust you at all.
I did not even look hard; All I had to do to get the data I have was to simply visit the website while running fiddler.
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2008.12.24 21:24:00 -
[247]
Originally by: John'eh
Your server is so insecure it is not funny, and you expect people to put sensitive data on your server? Are you joking?!
And your using windows as a server host? Running a VERY old and exploitable version of apache? You must not like the people who trust you at all.
I did not even look hard; All I had to do to get the data I have was to simply visit the website while running fiddler.
hia john
oh, could you please elaborate on the insecurity of my server? just because it is windows it makes it insecure? please... (the eve cluster runs on windows too, by the way). you have no idea of the setup of my firewalls and server infrastructure. just reading the apache version (which was 2.2.4 (and is now 2.2.11 for the heck of it) with all modules deactivated except for the ones really needed) from the http headers is no big deal and anybody can do that.
if you are an IT professional (like me) and have some serious daubt about the security of eve commander, please drop me an email to discuss this with me. i AM interested in constructive criticism.
for all others, be assured that your data is very safe. i know what i am doing, as i've been doing it for the past 15 years.
cheerios and merry christmas, woddel
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.01.01 15:33:00 -
[248]
howdy all
update to eve commander: there are completely new analysis tools for the market transaction log. check out the 'performance by item' page. there is also an export where you can export transaction log data to excel for further use. the same for corporate data will follow in a few days.
happy new yearà :)
woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool and ec agent finder |
Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
Red Core
Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.07 04:36:00 -
[249]
Hey all
I would like to just post my support for Eve-Commander.
I have been using Eve-Commander ever since it launched without any problems.
In addition,when I was a CEO,my corporation was using the corporate edition and it was hosted by Woddel without any problems.
Also,Woddel wrote an article explaining fully Eve-Commander for the 2nd issue of the now defunct EveMag(soon to be reborn under a different name).
you can find the issue at http://eve-files.com/media/corp/avguste/
---------------------------------------------Get Eve Commander now |
Doswidanja
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Posted - 2009.01.11 13:35:00 -
[250]
Cant register :( |
woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.01.12 21:39:00 -
[251]
hello doswidanja and others
sorry. was a bug on my side. registration for new accounts is back up... :)
cheerios, woddel
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.01.20 15:30:00 -
[252]
hello everybody
'assets by type' (personal and corp data) now allows to filter by market category. so it's easier to find your stuff when you have a large amount of items packed away. also, and i apologize for that, i have found an ancient bug that prevented certain items from showing (items packed into regular containers, not secure containers). this has been fixed too. and last, asset data can now also be exported into excel csv.
cheerios, woddel |
Cay Qel'Droma
Amarr
The Night Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.20 20:58:00 -
[253]
woddel, I'd like to express my thanks for your work.
eve-commander provides a great deal of help for my financial planning, cutting the time I need to spend running numbers while in game.
Keep up the good job
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Amateurs built the Arc, professionals built the Titanic. |
woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.02.01 11:37:00 -
[254]
little bug in assets by type fixed yesterday. not it really should show all stuff...
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SpamooM
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.02.01 20:07:00 -
[255]
To all you people doubting the security of eve commander... Why even bother *****ing about something you can't verify?
As for the actual website, a pat on the back is deserved for woddel as he has put many hours into this and takes a minimal fee. I'd trust his site any day.
Spamoom
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My Website - Creator of the EVE G15 Chat |
SpamooM
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.02.01 20:15:00 -
[256]
To all you people doubting the security of eve commander... Why even bother *****ing about something you can't verify?
As for the actual website, a pat on the back is deserved for woddel as he has put many hours into this and takes a minimal fee. I'd trust his site any day.
Spamoom
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My Website - Creator of the EVE G15 Chat |
Billy Merc
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.02.03 22:19:00 -
[257]
Originally by: luurch
My dad works for mi5 and he already knows where you live..
no he dont or you would have had it drilled into you by now that public disclosure of such things can land not only you in trouble...but him aswell...so stfu
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.02.09 16:34:00 -
[258]
Edited by: woddel on 09/02/2009 16:35:35
Originally by: Billy Merc
Originally by: luurch
My dad works for mi5 and he already knows where you live..
no he dont or you would have had it drilled into you by now that public disclosure of such things can land not only you in trouble...but him aswell...so stfu
and to be very specific : MI5 is the UK internal security division. if you would want to know my address in switzerland (no, this is NOT in the UK :) ), you would need to ask your daddy to work for MI6... :) but these are tiny little details in a big big and very complex world. so, i assume it does not really matter anyway. let's just stay in eve and the related matters.
cheerios, woddel
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VSlash
VVS Corporition
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.02.10 09:30:00 -
[259]
Very good piece of work that helps :P
Although some might still be worried about disclosing FullAPI (and I dont see some directors doing it without 'corporate edition' of their own), yet this tool can come in handy ... when you buy a character with assets and need a quick examination.
Worked perfectly for me ;)
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.02.15 12:00:00 -
[260]
hello everybody.
some new features have been added today or recently:
- major new feature for the 'skills' page: directly compare the skills of up to three characters side by side. this feature is only available when you have multiple characters linked together (your alts and/or corp mates - see 'account settings' for details). find out why your buddy is mining faster than you. or why he always has the edge over you in pvp or missions.
See Screenshot for details.
- 'transactions' for both personal and corporate data now gives the option to show WHO you bought or sold stuff from or to. this came with some slight changes to the interface. also, there have been a few minor adjustments to the 'characters' page.
- little gadget: i made a quick statistic page to see from which countries all these many eve commander users come from. This can be viewed here: user stats
... the project keeps on coming... :)
cheerios, woddel
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Hank Starshine
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.02.27 18:42:00 -
[261]
Hello Woddel
This is great! But why is there no skill planning tool? That would be very nice!!
Hanky
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.02.28 08:48:00 -
[262]
hello hank
skill planning is a very complex thing. you have to take into account all prerequisites, learning skills, implants and create visual schemes to show all the relations. all this has been excellently done by evemon. there is absolutely no way i could ever compete with that without a tremendious amount of work. i rather spend my time developing unique features which are not available yet anywhere (like side by side skill comparison for example which has been added recently).
cheerios, woddel
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Eigenvector Tachyon
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Posted - 2009.02.28 13:26:00 -
[263]
Edited by: Eigenvector Tachyon on 28/02/2009 13:30:08
Nice
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Allathea
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Posted - 2009.03.02 01:42:00 -
[264]
/me's alts have been paying customers for several months now.
Can you add some sorting (asc/desc) features to the "transactions"/"performance by item" report?
/me love you long time.
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Capital Productions
D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:42:00 -
[265]
hello everybody
eve commander is getting apocrypha... :) the new skill list has been integrated and also a first version of the new skill queues!
see screenshot for details.
still missing is the new item database (and related stuff), which should become available within a few days.
cheerios, woddel
bringing you the new stuff. first.
(ok, stop bloathing.. :) )
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Jack Endymion
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Posted - 2009.03.16 06:08:00 -
[266]
I'm having trouble finding my character ID to sign up -- are there different procedures for doing it now after the latest expansion?
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Capital Productions
D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.03.17 06:39:00 -
[267]
hia jack.
you are right. i will try to improve this somehow as soon as possible. but it might be a few days, as i have a lot of other projects going on at the moment.
cheerios, woddel
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.03.22 09:02:00 -
[268]
hello
registration was bogged the last few days. sorry for that! it's fixed now. and thanks to the guys who reported this to me!
woddel
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Manentia
manic-recession
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Posted - 2009.03.26 00:18:00 -
[269]
Check yer email re: "[Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver][SQLServer]Arithmetic overflow error converting expression to data type int." error (still happening, at least for me) Otherwise I enjoy the tool.
Love,
Manentia |
General Ordogg
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Posted - 2009.03.26 16:22:00 -
[270]
Woddel,
This product sounds just what I'm looking for. I'll need to talk to you about some features we need to run our corporation(S) Please contact me so we can work through some details. I've read the cost model and what I'm going to need will be outside of that pricing.
I Look forward to working with you on this.
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Silwar Naiilo
Crimson Logistical
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Posted - 2009.03.26 20:41:00 -
[271]
It's a bit ridiculous when people knock something they don't know about. Although they have valid points about not being able to verify your security statements, and whatever- no reason to flame your site just because they're not comfortable. If you're a director in AAA's executor corp, you shouldn't be giving out your full API to your own mother, let alone some random website... but that should be obvious enough.
I personally use EC and I'm impressed by the wealth of easily-organized data I get to use.
Nice job, Woddel.
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Rogue Lilly
Caldari
Lords Of Filth
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Posted - 2009.04.01 16:41:00 -
[272]
I must say this tool is very useful.
I know that everyone is so scared to use their api because eve seems to collect jerks who will rip you off just for fun, which is a result of them being such losers in real life that they need to take your pixels to feel important.
But one of the few times someone tries to do something this useful for the community we all assume that it's some scam. To all of you who jumped all over this guy, it's probably because you yourself would scam anyone and everyone you could. Maybe you shouldn't make assumptions about someone else based on your own petty needs for importance.
Thank you woddel, you're the man.
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.04.08 11:24:00 -
[273]
thank you thank you thank you... :)
blushing woddel
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
Corellian Strike Fleet
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Posted - 2009.04.12 05:15:00 -
[274]
I would like to also again show my support for Eve-Commander by this bump.
Not only am I a full user of Eve-Commander,but I am also planning and i have sent woddel an email ordering the corp edition for my upcoming corp.
---------------------------------------------Get Eve Commander now--------------- |
woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.04.29 05:49:00 -
[275]
hello everybody.
the latest updates that have been made:
- the full new set of icons has been implementedà :) in case you get old ones, hit shift-reload to clear your cache. Also, long standing issues with wrong icons showing (especially with blueprints) should be resolved (with some exceptions).
- on request, a skill exporter where all characters in the linked char list (user switching group) are exported with all their skills to a csv that can be imported into excel or whatever. the feature is on the skills page.
there has been huge amounts of work done in the not yet public available corporate management tools (tasks, blueprints, production batches etc). i hope to be able to make them available in a few weeks - but they work very very well for our own corporation as of now.
another project that came in between is an out of game item shop - suited for larger industrial corps. the one installation currently productive is www.tek3-shop.com of germany based tek 3 corporation. in a bit more than 5 weeks, they made more than 23 billion turnover in there! the software is also available for other corps - interested people can contact me. and i will try to make up an infopage with features and screenshots in the near future.
cheerios,
woddel
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Woon Lii
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Posted - 2009.05.21 10:06:00 -
[276]
Hi all, and thanks to Woddel for this wonderful tool !
I personnaly have some trouble with the "market data" part of the site, since I can't seem to be able to upload market export logs: the java applet just keeps on getting stuck while uploading the files.
Of course, Java is updated, firewall is correctly set, etc... If anyone had the same problem and was able to solve it, just let me know!
May I suggest a new feature for EC "market data" ? It would be quite usefull to allow people to add items "manualy", by typing their names in a textbox.
This would allow some creative usage: keeping track of bought/sold items, by messing with the "market order" section, I guess, keeping records of prices, beneftis...
It would allow users to add items and retrieve infos from evecentral, although I think there might be a problem in using their datas like that, from a licensing point of view.
Anyway, keep on building and improving the tool, I definitely want to stick with it, now that I found it !
Cya
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2009.06.02 13:41:00 -
[277]
hia
sorry that i have have not answered earlier to your suggestion, but it's been very busy weeks.
yes, your suggestion is sound and i put it on my task list. it might take a while, as there are many many things on that list already... :) but it will be done eventually. sometimes.
cheerios
woddel
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2009.06.07 12:18:00 -
[278]
hia all
here a list of changes from the past few days:
- major overhaul of corporate assets pages:
* improved import routine that does not require manual station assignment anymore
* assets in pos labs and hangars are now shown too
* assets in corporate deliveries at stations are now shown too
i hope you like ità it's not all done yet, but i'm getting thereà :)
- if you have multiple accounts registered and linked them together using the user switching key (see account settings for details), you can now show combined transactions and performance by item in the personal transaction window. this for global overview or folks who produce with one char and sell with another.
- exports now also work for private and corporate wallet journalsà :)
- finally, the registration process has been mostly rewritten to simplify the registration process (no more hassle with character id key and neat selection by choosing your 'head'. Sometimes soon, i will make the process of adding alts to existing eve commander accounts simpler (kinda like like in eve mon).
also, a more or less complete overhaul of corporate edition has been made. infos on that will pop up soon.
cheerios, woddel |
Katsumi1980
Amarr
Crystal War Veterans - Cid's Soldiers
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Posted - 2009.06.22 03:05:00 -
[279]
Edited by: Katsumi1980 on 22/06/2009 03:06:27
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2009.07.12 20:57:00 -
[280]
hia all
it's been a bit quiet here. i've been very very busy in real life and also just came home from a week of much needed chillin' in greece.
updates that are in the works:
- more statistics in transactions, based on customer requests.
- a completely overhauled corporate edition of eve commander. simpler, more flexible and cheaper. details coming up soon.
cheerios, woddel
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.11 06:48:00 -
[281]
hia all
massively.com wrote an article with their top 5 eve online applications and put eve commander on rank 4 before pos tracker and behind capsuleer (iphone app), evemon and eft. thanks for that... :) i feel honored.
http://www.massively.com/2009/08/09/eve-evolved-top-five-eve-online-apps/
one user commented on the article the fact that the full edition of eve commander does not come for free: this has the following two reasons:
- fewest things are truly free in this world - or is it worth it that apps like facebook are 'free', but sell your user and profiling data to the highest bidders on the backside? eve commander NOT being free is an additional ensurance for all subscribers that their sensitive data is absolutely safe with me.
- eve commander has grown a lot and takes up a lot of server resources (db-size for example 2.4 gig total) - they have to be paid for in some way. but be assured that my income from ec does even not remotely cover all real life expenses i have to offer this service to you.
cheerios and thanks for the faith and trust.
woddel
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.04 11:03:00 -
[282]
bump, so the thread does not go inactive. just a lot to do many small improvements have been made. but i won't go into details here and now
cheerios, woddel
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Paradox Knightbridge
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Posted - 2009.09.16 07:21:00 -
[283]
I just "discovered" Eve Commander, and I have to say I'm really impressed by the massive number of features this site has. I'm particularly happy with the Transaction Performance report.
Thank you Woddel. Keep up the good work!
-- PK -- |
woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2009.10.14 21:43:00 -
[284]
hia all. just a little bump to keep the thread active. fanfest was great fun and i've met with some interesting people. eve commander is now also close to 4'200 users. i really appreciate that! else, it's been a bit quiet, but developlment will continue with new features soon.
cheerios, woddel
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Victriferusianus
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Posted - 2009.11.23 15:05:00 -
[285]
Edited by: Victriferusianus on 23/11/2009 15:11:16
I just started the trial period and I like it. Very nice service! Lots of useful information is available in a clean and easily understandable format.
I encountered one problem: eve commander doesn't show my assets. It only loads for a while and then shows only blank under the text "assets by stations". I have a lot of assets spread across many ( maybe 200?) stations
Edit: I got an error message this time:
500
ROOT CAUSE:
coldfusion.runtime.RequestTimedOutException: The request has exceeded the allowable time limit Tag: CFQUERY
<snip>
javax.servlet.ServletException: ROOT CAUSE:
coldfusion.runtime.RequestTimedOutException: The request has exceeded the allowable time limit Tag: CFQUERY |
woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2009.11.24 18:40:00 -
[286]
hia victriferusianus
yes, this is an issue that happens for the very rare amount of players who amassed tons and tons of stuff. importing the assets is quite a job, creating for example an insert sql query for each single item line. with some other processing done to make later reads faster, it takes long and it can time out. i see if i can further improve this so it will work for you too. but no guarantees... :(
cheerios and thanks for the message. woddel
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Iron Mayden
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.26 02:55:00 -
[287]
Woddel,
I would be really glad if you answer my emails or evemails.
I have paid for the unlimited access, and one day later, it expired.
Must be a problem in your application, could you please have a look into my account on eve-commander?
Thank you
Specialized in Science, Industry and Trade
My Skills |
woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2009.11.26 07:51:00 -
[288]
hia iron
sorry for the delay. i fixed your account manually and it's ok again. i've been very very busy in rl lately and i need some time to answer all the mails flowing in... with more than 4500 customers, there is quite an amount of mails with questions, suggestions and other feedback.
cheerios
lukas
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Iron Mayden
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.26 11:37:00 -
[289]
Thanks a lot Woddel! :)
Specialized in Science, Industry and Trade
My Skills |
woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2009.12.03 06:46:00 -
[290]
hello everybody
dominion database has been integrated. for those using the production manager, you are ready to go again with all the new material values... :) for others, the changes will barely be noticeable.
cheerios
lukas
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2009.12.24 11:42:00 -
[291]
hello all!
new feature: mails. The new page is available to both full and limited users and shows the last 25 messages received ingame. Notifications (npc, pos, bills etc) will be added shortly. I hope you like ità :)
merry christmas, woddel
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DenShou
Gallente
Wolves of Fenrir
High Guard Council
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Posted - 2009.12.25 22:15:00 -
[292]
Woddel is my hero.
for the record :P
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Faith can move mountains.... of Inventory
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Macvombat
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Posted - 2009.12.28 14:04:00 -
[293]
Hey Woddel - im not sure if this is the right place for a request but here goes anyways..
I was wondering if it would be possible for you to implement something like Mining Buddy on that Webpage of yours? just a thought :)
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2009.12.31 09:58:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Macvombat
Hey Woddel - im not sure if this is the right place for a request but here goes anyways..
I was wondering if it would be possible for you to implement something like Mining Buddy on that Webpage of yours? just a thought :)
hia Macvombat
hmmm. i have been asked before, as this software seems to have been discontinued. problem is that i don't know it at all and i don't have a detailed feature list or other project documentation. also, it seems to have been a fairly complex piece of work - meaning lots of work to migrate it to coldfusion and into eve commander. i don't know how i would 'finance' this and the time needed - besides all the other work. and i guess i would never come to live up to the expectations of the original. maybe in spring or so when i have some more time. currently, i spend most of it working on production management tools in eve commander (not released yet).
cheerios and happy new year, wod
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.13 16:25:00 -
[295]
hia everybody!
a long awaited major new feature: skill finder. You define a set of skills and in an instant, you see all your chars that fit these criteria. You can even copy/paste complete EFT fittings into the tool!
Find out in an instant who can fly that Obelisk or built whatever kind of items.
Screenshot
Feedback and comments are welcome... :)
cheerios, woddel
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2010.02.01 11:52:00 -
[296]
hia all
email notifications added: get an alert in eve commander when your pos is running out of fuel or somebody applied to your corp. of course, notifications are generally visible only to users with appropriate rights ingame.
coming up soon : subscribe to notifications and get real life email alerts on pos events etc - don't miss your pos running dry or come under attack.
cheerios, woddel
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Retiska
Gallente
Secte Rouge
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Posted - 2010.02.02 12:08:00 -
[297]
I just started up an account with my two chars.
I was looking for an online tool to keep track of mutliple account chars.
I'm liking it so far! I don't have much use for the full version.. as I only want to look at skilltraining online from whereever I am.
And this is perfect, thanks!
Retiska |
Venetian Tar
United Systems Navy
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2010.02.03 19:00:00 -
[298]
I've just started to use this tool, but can't seem to find anything to list the value of my assets.
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2010.02.06 21:52:00 -
[299]
hia
calculating the value of assets has been in the pipeline for a long time. basically, it would not be that hard - eve central data is also already being imported in real time. problem is that many faction / officer items are not available on the market and there is no market data on their worth. people would hate me for valueing their supermegaduper officer fitted kronos at a few hundred mils when it's worth like 1.5 billion or so. i have not yet a solution for that.
cheerios, woddel
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
Flying While Intoxicated
Threshold Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.15 03:09:00 -
[300]
Hey woddel
For some reason, my mail is not updating.
Any ideas?
---------------------------------------------Get Eve Commander now |
woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2010.02.16 06:42:00 -
[301]
hia ikki
what do you mean by that exactly? please send me an ingame or regular email for details.
cheerios, woddel
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Lord Helghast
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Posted - 2010.02.17 14:02:00 -
[302]
Originally by: woddel
hia
calculating the value of assets has been in the pipeline for a long time. basically, it would not be that hard - eve central data is also already being imported in real time. problem is that many faction / officer items are not available on the market and there is no market data on their worth. people would hate me for valueing their supermegaduper officer fitted kronos at a few hundred mils when it's worth like 1.5 billion or so. i have not yet a solution for that.
cheerios, woddel
Hey why dont you talk to the evehq guys and see if they can source u the faction data, as they pull in the faction pricing as far as i know (kronos shows as 721m) not sure how accurate they are tho lol
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2010.03.27 09:31:00 -
[303]
saturday morning bump... :)
no real great news, just tiny improvements done here and there.
have a nice weekend! woddel
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2010.04.04 21:46:00 -
[304]
hia all
KaarBaak did an interview with me concerning my work for the eve online community and my projects. in case you are interested... :)
he is also interviewing other folks that write apps for the community - interesting stuff!!
http://evemetagaming.blogspot.com/2010/04/meet-other-devs-4-eve-commander.html
cheerios and happy eastern!
woddel
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Pereguine
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Posted - 2010.04.08 16:37:00 -
[305]
Ok as Woddel doesn't appear to be responding to emails, I'll post this here and see if I can get a response...
There appears to be a fault with the calculation of Subscription payments on EC.
As you can see from the copy and pasted list from Accounting - my subscription was not due to expire until 24th May, yet I've received an email stating my account is due to expire on 10th April (I paid it anyways as you can see).
Subscription period Amount Paid
10.04.2010 - 09.07.2010 8 million isk 05.04.2010
23.02.2010 - 24.05.2010 8 million isk 26.03.2010
25.11.2009 - 23.02.2010 8 million isk 28.11.2009
27.08.2009 - 25.11.2009 4 million isk 22.08.2009
Also, on further investigation and noting on when subscription amounts were paid, there appears to be an additional fault. Surely the subscription period should start from when the amount was paid, not from when the last subscription ended? Otherwise if an account was renewed after a month of inactivity (as I have done), you'd lose a month of your 90 day subscription - kinda like paying for a 90day tc and only getting 60days to play.
So extrapolating from the table above, the correct dates should, in my opinion, be:
Subscription period Amount Paid
24.06.2010 - 22.09.2010 8 million isk 05.04.2010
26.03.2010 - 24.06.2010 8 million isk 26.03.2010
28.11.2009 - 26.02.2010 8 million isk 28.11.2009
22.08.2009 - 20.11.2009 4 million isk 22.08.2009
P
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2010.04.11 08:17:00 -
[306]
hia Pereguine
sorry, i've had a very very busy week and i hardly got to do any of the stuff i wanted to. i will check into your matter right after posting this and get back to you by email. thanks for your patience!
woddel
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Spii't Gelekk
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Posted - 2010.04.23 15:02:00 -
[307]
Hi Woddel,
I've been test-driving EveC and i like it very much!
I've got 1 request though, in the transactions tab, you have performance by item.
This shows me how muchs items are bought and sold, but what i'd like to know it the profit i have made from the SOLD items. The way i see it, this is how much profit i have made on a day even though if i would have bought a billion worth of other stuff.
(in short, can you make filter on SOLD only).
I'm very very interested in new features, i'm going to test drive industry stuff this weekend, some collaboration tools are hard needed.
For instance, if i buy a bunch of minerals for a group of people, i need to calculate manually how much each person owes me. I could imagine a tool, that (bare with me), calculates minerals reqs from items to built and calculated total worth on the basis of average buy price.
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2010.05.19 15:02:00 -
[308]
little middle of the week bump. no big news, close to 6'000 users, no big issues, database server upgrade coming up tomorrow morning (integrate a solid state disk raid array).
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An Alt
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Posted - 2010.05.21 11:46:00 -
[309]
Awesome tool. Seems to work really well. A lot of information is complied in a very easy to use manner. Many things are presented in a way that is leaps and bounds more usable then the in game alternative.
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Schry Evolon
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.05.22 15:29:00 -
[310]
Excellent tool. I am easily able to track my orders, when to refill them, keep track of hot items, and much more!
Excellent support. I had a problem and mailed woddel. Within 15-30 minutes there was a fix available.
Truly a tool worth investing in.
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Sable Blitzmann
Minmatar
Eve University
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Posted - 2010.06.02 21:39:00 -
[311]
This would be awesome if only it was open-source. Open source is good.
Either way, I finally send you some monies for the full edition. I liked it a lot when I used it back in August. =)
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.03 15:03:00 -
[312]
hia sable
well, if it would be open source, i guess i would then be left with all my time answering questions to all the guys and girls trying to get this thing to run on their own server... i would not really appreciate of doing that. i guess that was in the end also one of the reasons for the death of the open source project 'out of eve'...
and also, if you give stuff away for free, you are not spared of the trouble, but also taken of one type of reward for the really really hard work that is being put into projects of this size.
cheerios
woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool and ec agent finder |
Elijah Craig
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Posted - 2010.06.30 11:27:00 -
[313]
Hi Woddel, just wanted to say how great your website is and I appreciate all the work you have done.
I was amused to see all the negativity and paranoia about the Full API privacy issue at the start of the thread, and now 2 years later I guess those worries have gone away as this is now accepted as a trusted tool? You must be pleased yours is now a trusted website.
Thanks again.
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:20:00 -
[314]
hia all
fixed a little bug where some PI skills where not shown. else, everything as usual and running. new development has been made in the yet not public 'corporate management' section. i hope to be able to extend the beta tests of these tools soon. they are way bigger than the rest of eve commander as of yet...
cheerios
woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool and ec agent finder |
Flios Bror
Amarr
Doom Guard
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Posted - 2010.07.27 15:21:00 -
[315]
Two feature-requests for the transactions page, and specifically for the "performance by item" view.
- Having the cents shown as well when the number of significant digits gets low. Currently I have this line for tritanium: "Tritanium | 870,589,086 2 2,030,058,131 | ...", but I'd like that line to be "Tritanium | 870,589,086 2.33 2,030,058,131 | ...". I think 3 significant digits is enough.
- Having the item-type-selector select between groups of items. Would be nice if it was possible to define these groups ourselves. Currently, I get all source materials mixed with sales-items, which makes it harder for me to compare how I'm actually doing. There are too many interesting items for me to look at to switch with the item-selector all the time.
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mastergamer
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Posted - 2010.07.27 18:39:00 -
[316]
Originally by: Lord Helghast
Originally by: woddel
hia
calculating the value of assets has been in the pipeline for a long time. basically, it would not be that hard - eve central data is also already being imported in real time. problem is that many faction / officer items are not available on the market and there is no market data on their worth. people would hate me for valueing their supermegaduper officer fitted kronos at a few hundred mils when it's worth like 1.5 billion or so. i have not yet a solution for that.
cheerios, woddel
Hey why dont you talk to the evehq guys and see if they can source u the faction data, as they pull in the faction pricing as far as i know (kronos shows as 721m) not sure how accurate they are tho lol
Old post I guess, but you might want to consider using this site for faction prices.
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2010.08.11 13:53:00 -
[317]
ok. i put that on my wishlist to look at when i get some time for it. i just hope the list is somewhat complete and uptodate. but i guess at least better than nothing.
cheerios, woddel
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2010.08.23 13:06:00 -
[318]
hello everybody
i added an api server response time status in the server status box on the homepage: the api server has been quite unstable & slow lately and i don't want my users to have the impression that eve commander is slow because its infrastructure can not hold up with the load. the possible status variants are: - OK (< 1 sec), LAGGY (< 3 sec), VERY LAGGY (< 7 sec) and CLOSE TO DEATH (> 7 sec). response time is measured by the server status api call every three minutes and the average of the last three calls used.
it now also includes a graphical display of the numbers above.
http://www.eve-commander.com/apiperformance.cfm
somehow, i have the feeling that the api server performance has degenerated greatly in the last few weeks or months - i somehow beleive it used to be better before... hopefully, ccp can do something about it. the load on this server will only increase over time - let's hope it does not die a slow, painfull death.
cheerios
woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool and ec agent finder |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.23 14:29:00 -
[319]
Since you're querying API data routinely, you don't need any dedicated facility to check for API responce times. Just add a timer to your regular checks over some well-known relatively short API request, store them in separate table and average+purge it every minute or how many data you collect in that timeframe.
BTW, could you please confirm you received my email regarding font definition in CSS?
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2010.08.23 14:35:00 -
[320]
yes, this is how i do it - no additional api queries just for checking response time... :) -> i use the tiny serverstatus.aspx which is run every three minutes anyway to get comparable data (i mean, a charactersheet call can not be compared to a corporate assets call...).
yes, i did get that mail and i assume i will implement this in the near future - just checking about browser backwardcompatibility and having for some time for it.
cheerios, woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool and ec agent finder |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.23 15:55:00 -
[321]
Yeah, thanks. I was just wondering. I've checked it on some Real Old(tm) things I have in my posession, and i'm using this macro since 2003 probably.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.24 00:02:00 -
[322]
Was reading the topic out of boredom... and just stumbled by this post.
Originally by: woddel, 2008-07-03 06:43:00
i can not prevent the full api from providing corp. infos - this is a matter for ccp to resolve (like differentiate between 'limited', 'full personal' and a new 'corporation' api key). but for security reasons that also matter to me, no corp. infos is actually imported from the xml files provided by the ccp api and saved in the database. hence, there is no info to be seen on eve commander.
You could trust these words or not, it's irrelevant to the simple fact: you always know what info is requested through your API key: http://www.eveonline.com/api/log.asp
P.S.
And please don't make references to current application functionality. I care about your opinion on this matter as much as Sun care about your preferred climate.
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2010.08.24 06:33:00 -
[323]
hia tonto
well, that was a very old post, long bevor the corporate data extensions have been added to eve commander. today, corporate data can be looked at and worked with as with the personal data.
and sorry, i don't understand your PS and in what context it is meant - maybe some things don't matter to you, but it can very well be of interest to others... this is why i keep an open communication policy.
woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool and ec agent finder |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.24 15:00:00 -
[324]
Originally by: woddel
hia tonto
well, that was a very old post,
That's why I clearly added a datestamp to quote.
Quote:
long bevor the corporate data extensions have been added to eve commander. today, corporate data can be looked at and worked with as with the personal data.
Can. Per user's discretion, if I understand your adverticement right.
Quote:
and sorry, i don't understand your PS and in what context it is meant - maybe some things don't matter to you
It wasn't mean to be offensive (at least not to your address, if at all).
Whole my post was to make one point: If you want to evaluate API application behavior, you don't have to guess, accuse or anything of that kind. All you need to do is to try it with some disposable character account (sorry, forgot that API is per-account...) and check api logs for any requests not matching declared application functionality.
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Machete Visor
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:23:00 -
[325]
In my corporate transactions log, duplicate entries are showing up every few days for the entire day or 2 days at a time.
This renders the 'performance by item' report virtually useless, as well as the 'overview by activity'.
Is this a known problem? Really hurts the useable of the site.
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Jin Kitchi
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Posted - 2010.10.19 18:01:00 -
[326]
Hey woddel-
Commander is falling over when I querry my assets or ships- it returns debug data- can you help?
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2010.10.21 05:40:00 -
[327]
hia
could you please send me the exact error message by email (evemail or regular, see bottom of EC homepage)? do you have huge amounts of assets?
woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool and ec agent finder |
Jin Kitchi
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Posted - 2010.10.23 21:51:00 -
[328]
yeah i have assets in 4 or 5 regions and say 200- 300 stations will run again and post you the error
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.04 15:08:00 -
[329]
litte bump. all is quiet on the eastern front...
season's greetings to everybody!
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool and ec agent finder |
woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.31 08:36:00 -
[330]
hia all
last update for the year: incursion 1.0.1 database has been imported, including all new icons. so, we're back up to date with data and images of the shiny new ships and other stuff.
happy new year!
woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool and ec agent finder |
woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2011.02.07 06:41:00 -
[331]
bump. not many other news... ;)
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Awesome Possum
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
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Posted - 2011.02.21 03:56:00 -
[332]
Woddel,
From what I'm seeing on your site, there's no way to upgrade to the full account except by following some emailed instructions. However, I don't see any way of asking for the mail to be resent.
♥
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slighette
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Posted - 2011.03.08 12:22:00 -
[333]
Hi Woddel. I've emailed you a few times about various issues but never got any response. Are you not around at the moment or is there a problem with [email protected]?
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slighette
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Posted - 2011.03.11 10:16:00 -
[334]
Has anyone else heard anything from Woddel in the last few weeks?
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2011.03.13 17:52:00 -
[335]
hia slighette
sorry, i have been very very busy the last few days and did not check into this forum in that time. please send me an evemail with your trouble and i will try to help you as quickly as possible.
cheerios, woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool and ec agent finder |
slighette
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Posted - 2011.03.14 10:11:00 -
[336]
Will do, cheers :)
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Alex Vindan
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Posted - 2011.03.16 21:37:00 -
[337]
I want to say this program/website is terrific on my new tablet (Notion Ink Adam), and is very useful for checking market transactions and things of that nature.
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slighette
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Posted - 2011.03.18 09:37:00 -
[338]
Hi Woddel. I messaged you in game a couple of days ago but still no response.
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2011.03.21 16:05:00 -
[339]
yes, i told you to send ME an evemail (woddel), not to my billing alt (woddel trader) which i log in like once every two month... anyway, it's been sorted now and your account is back up running.
woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool and ec agent finder |
Whip Slagcheek
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Posted - 2011.04.16 01:41:00 -
[340]
I have been trying to contact you about getting an old account subscribed again. I have sent an email from my yahoo email account and sent an in game evemail.
Please let me know how I can subscribe again. Thanks.
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2011.05.24 15:05:00 -
[341]
hia everybody
sorry, i've been out of eve for a while (taking a little break) due to heavy work load in real life. i hope to work up all waiting tasks within the next days and hope that everything is running smoothly ever after.
i beg for your patiance when i am a little bit slower in responding than usual.
cheerios, woddel.
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool and ec agent finder |
Reality G one
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Posted - 2011.06.08 19:24:00 -
[342]
Hey, I'd like to say great programme, It's just what I was looking for
But I was wondering if there was a way to tell how fast it updates or if I can manually update my stats, like I'm doing my market orders and my wallet drops by 300mil but it still hasn't came up, and hasn't given me any new info on any items I've bought/sold in the past few hours
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:30:00 -
[343]
hia all, my dear users
please read ccp's newest devblog concerning "Monetizing 3rd Party Apps" and then my comment to this here http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1528607&page=4#93. i hope you voice up and keep platforms like evemon, dotlan maps, chribba's stuff, my stuff and all the other wonderful tools alive.
cheerios, woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool and ec agent finder |
Saiphas Cain
Caldari
Secret Squirrel Readiness Group
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Posted - 2011.06.16 23:04:00 -
[344]
Given the potential monetization thread ( threat? ) by CCP I have to weigh in that if it does come to a commercial license requirement for the services eve-commander provides I would not balk at a reasonable real money subscription fee rather than see the site shut down. I've written a sales spreadsheet that digests the nicely formatted market sheet and gives me a restocking plan every week and that would be much more difficult for me if I had to learn the API calls and include that into my already admittedly bloated spreadsheet ( it's running on google docs and nearly chokes every time I paste into it as is ;) Besides the convenience of being able to see when my contract deliveries have been made by checking assets ( known bugged at the moment, but I can see if there is anything at a station or not at least ) and other bits of info evegate is seriously lacking in.
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Otard
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:32:00 -
[345]
hi, i send you a eve mail with this char. My alt, busty marinara is suffering from a bug. Basically, im missing active orders. Which obviously is jacking up everything else. only 29 out of my 70 orders are showing with your program. I changed the api, still didnt fix it. It says 'error retrieving data' whenever i get on my char and i click on the 'market orders'. everything else works fine. If you could look into this, i would highly appreciate it.
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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:06:00 -
[346]
hia otard
market orders should work again just fine. thanks for your notification!
woddel
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creator and maintainer of eve commander - complete web based character information tool and ec agent finder |
woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:18:00 -
[347]
Originally by: Saiphas Cain
Given the potential monetization thread ( threat? ) by CCP I have to weigh in that if it does come to a commercial license requirement for the services eve-commander provides I would not balk at a reasonable real money subscription fee rather than see the site shut down. I've written a sales spreadsheet that digests the nicely formatted market sheet and gives me a restocking plan every week and that would be much more difficult for me if I had to learn the API calls and include that into my already admittedly bloated spreadsheet ( it's running on google docs and nearly chokes every time I paste into it as is ;) Besides the convenience of being able to see when my contract deliveries have been made by checking assets ( known bugged at the moment, but I can see if there is anything at a station or not at least ) and other bits of info evegate is seriously lacking in.
hia
the issue is that i am not in any way interested in real money subscriptions. ccp suggests that somehow that this would be a general desire of 3rd party developers - when indeed, this is an absolute minority of us that wants to 'cash out' on our hobby of playing eve and providing services to this community. me taking some isk has basically three reasons:
- one is, of course, to provide some ingame currency to let me play more and do less grinding (and so having more time for other stuff like developing).
- next is to put a very mild throttle on the count on users using eve commander, as full accounts (with wallet, transactions, assets and market stuff) generates a significant load on the server infrastructure. i don't think the server could handle 100'000 users.
- and last and most important : by charging some isk i show you users that i am serious about the portal and not trying to scam folks into providing api keys so i could to some shady data mining.
by the way, corporate wallet should be fixed by tonight. i finally get some time to do this.
cheerios, woddel
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Thomas Brody
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Posted - 2011.07.12 12:32:00 -
[348]
Hi Woddel,
Are you looking in to the first corporate wallet issue? Everything older than a few days gives duplicate entries. Makes my profit look real good though ;)
Great product, keep up the good work.
-Brody
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BUSTY MARINARA
Caldari
League of Non-Aligned Worlds
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Posted - 2011.07.13 04:34:00 -
[349]
hi, im going to 'market data' and i assume that is for comparing prices to ensure that ppl arent undercutting my prices. I am able to upload my market easily enough, and i add my station. But as soon as i click back to 'market data', 'import data' goes back to 0. So i see the station with the buy | Sell, but nothing listed. am i doing something wrong? I pretty sure it is a bug.
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BUSTY MARINARA
Caldari
League of Non-Aligned Worlds
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Posted - 2011.07.19 18:25:00 -
[350]
still haveing the same issue. you alive woddel? :)
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BUSTY MARINARA
Caldari
League of Non-Aligned Worlds
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Posted - 2011.07.19 21:17:00 -
[351]
nvm, figured it out. it is complex as ****.
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