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Sentinella
Perkone Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.09.07 08:30:00 -
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I hate the captain's quarters and I am using "the door" but it's really bad. When will you put back the old hangar view ? It's been some time now, any ETA ?
EDIT: CCP Prism was very kind to try to find out an answer to my question:
CCP Prism X wrote:Please keep in mind that I'm a Database Developer not a Project Manager. But I did go around and poke some people who wield more power than just telling people off because their queries aren't seekable. Essentially what this all boils down to is: "You will get ship-spinning back. It's only a question of fitting it into our plans.". I know, I didn't tell you anything new.  But believe me, the people I spoke to seemed to understand the priority of this. They themselves will give you more concrete information as soon as they can, we all understand that the answer I just gave you isn't satisfactory, but it is the best I can give you. The reason for this being the best I can provide is that we are currently in the middle of a planning phase. Everything is up in the air and mutable at this point so promises aren't a current possibility. All I can really do is assure you that we're not ignoring the issue nor do we intend to bury it and hopefully the final plans will start to emerge soon and we can actually give you some insight into them. |

AnzacPaul
Perkone Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2011.09.07 08:36:00 -
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Never, as far as I know.
We were promised an environment "similar to the pre-incarna" but I highly doubt it's actually ever coming and CCP are instead finding ways to lower the reqs for CQ as fast as possible so they can force CQ upon everyone, in the hope nex sales will pick up.
But that's me with my tinfoil, i'm sure there will be plenty of people that will tell you why there is no need for an option to CQ, and why you should have to load your avatar every time you dock for ammo..... |

Sentinella
Perkone Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.09.07 08:41:00 -
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AnzacPaul wrote:But that's me with my tinfoil, i'm sure there will be plenty of people that will tell you why there is no need for an option to CQ, and why you should have to load your avatar every time you dock for ammo.....
I hope this does not happen, I don't want this thread to become another debate about incarna. Some people like it, some don't, there are a lot of threads discussing it already.
Personally I prefer the old hangar view and , since 2 months ago CCP said that an environment with same functionality as the old hangar would be introduced, I would like to know the ETA for that. |

El'Niaga
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2011.09.07 08:45:00 -
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They told us what we wanted to hear, I doubt anyone has actually been assigned to work on this, it is probably low priority for CCP management. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10
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Posted - 2011.09.07 08:53:00 -
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They also said:
Quote:and this environment will be available until Incarna performance is similar to pre-Incarna performance.
So if they get performance back before they release the new environment, then they would never need to release it. CCP Zulu.....Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

Sentinella
Perkone Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.09.07 09:21:00 -
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Mag's wrote:They also said: Quote:and this environment will be available until Incarna performance is similar to pre-Incarna performance. So if they get performance back before they release the new environment, then they would never need to release it.
Well the statement starts with "environment will be available" and at the moment it is not, so the later part of the statement does not apply. For a feature to be available "until" something happens, that feature has to exist first. |

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
43
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Posted - 2011.09.07 09:30:00 -
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If its obsolete before they put it is, its fait accompli and the don't have to bother with the dev resources, so they can just keep those devs working on GlitterVamp2000. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10
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Posted - 2011.09.07 09:34:00 -
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Sentinella wrote:Mag's wrote:They also said: Quote:and this environment will be available until Incarna performance is similar to pre-Incarna performance. So if they get performance back before they release the new environment, then they would never need to release it. Well the statement starts with "environment will be available" and at the moment it is not, so the later part of the statement does not apply. For a feature to be available "until" something happens, that feature has to exist first. As Tallian Saotome said, if they get performance to be 'similar' to pre-incarne, it's a fait accompli.
Let me put it this way, which are they going to put more effort into, performance of incarna their flagship new content, or a temp replacement hanger? CCP Zulu.....Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
2
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Posted - 2011.09.07 09:43:00 -
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If you think about it for a second you will realize that the following statements are not equivalent:
"It will be available until condition x"
"It will be available unless condition x"
If you have trouble understanding the difference between those two sentences then I really have no interest in this discussion.
CCP said that the new environment will be released and I have no reason not to believe them (lol), so what's the ETA ? |

Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
2
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Posted - 2011.09.07 09:44:00 -
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--double post |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10
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Posted - 2011.09.07 09:54:00 -
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Miklas Laces wrote:If you think about it for a second you will realize that the following statements are not equivalent:
"It will be available until condition x"
"It will be available unless condition x"
If you have trouble understanding the difference between those two sentences then I really have no interest in this discussion.
CCP said that the new environment will be released and I have no reason not to believe them (lol), so what's the ETA ? I have no problem understanding the difference at all. But you seem to think that if the 'until' condition is reached before release, they would still release them. I'm pointing out they most likely wouldn't.
Why do you think they worded it the way they did?
They want to force players into Incarna and if they can improve performance first, then they can remove the need for a temp replacement hanger.
CCP Zulu.....Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

Sentinella
Perkone Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.09.07 09:57:00 -
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Mag's wrote:have no problem understanding the difference at all.
   
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Tabatha Ravenclaw
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2011.09.07 09:57:00 -
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Miklas Laces wrote:If you think about it for a second you will realize that the following statements are not equivalent:
"It will be available until condition x"
"It will be available unless condition x"
If you have trouble understanding the difference between those two sentences then I really have no interest in this discussion.
CCP said that the new environment will be released and I have no reason not to believe them (lol), so what's the ETA ?
It's not like CCP have ever mislead us before |

Sentinella
Perkone Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.09.07 10:18:00 -
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Tabatha Ravenclaw wrote:It's not like CCP have ever mislead us before
In the past they used to communicate with the players a lot, now the chances of CCP actually answering the simple question asked in this thread are next to zero.
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
20
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Posted - 2011.09.07 10:25:00 -
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Just as soon as they've finished making the forums so crap that nobody can be bothered to use them (thus saving them from a public facing catalogue of fail).
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Tabatha Ravenclaw
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2011.09.07 10:25:00 -
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Sentinella wrote:Tabatha Ravenclaw wrote:It's not like CCP have ever mislead us before In the past they used to communicate with the players a lot, now the chances of CCP actually answering the simple question asked in this thread are next to zero. About the same chance of them replying to this question as there was in the old forum threads about it.
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Smoking Blunts
18
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Posted - 2011.09.07 10:49:00 -
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maybe apart from a couple of dev's and maybe the PR department, is anyone actually working on eve at ccp?
as much as i miss the functionality of the old hanger view, i have no doubt we will not get it back. along with the old cyno effects these two things have broken my personnal immursion, but hey we can buy crap for nex now woooot CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10
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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:04:00 -
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That's a great inanimate argument you have there but pray tell, why would they bother to release them?
After all they said available until, are you saying they would still waste Dev time on a temp hanger, even when that available until premise is met? CCP Zulu.....Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
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CCP Prism X
C C P C C P Alliance
82

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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:08:00 -
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Right!
Seeing as I've been trying to pull my pants up lately, and start being active on the forums again, I might as well try and be useful as well rather than just attempting to be funny (Also Sentinella poked me through EVE Mail... ok it was mostly that ). Please keep in mind that I'm a Database Developer not a Project Manager. But I did go around and poke some people who wield more power than just telling people off because their queries aren't seekable.
Essentially what this all boils down to is: "You will get ship-spinning back. It's only a question of fitting it into our plans.". I know, I didn't tell you anything new. 
But believe me, the people I spoke to seemed to understand the priority of this. They themselves will give you more concrete information as soon as they can, we all understand that the answer I just gave you isn't satisfactory, but it is the best I can give you.
The reason for this being the best I can provide is that we are currently in the middle of a planning phase. Everything is up in the air and mutable at this point so promises aren't a current possibility. All I can really do is assure you that we're not ignoring the issue nor do we intend to bury it and hopefully the final plans will start to emerge soon and we can actually give you some insight into them.
Also, I'm selling T2 Rock blueprints over in Ami. They're great for throwing back at me! 
P.S. Ignore my signature in this case. I'm actually trying to be helpful and informative. ~ CCP Prism X EVE Database Developer If anything in this post was informative or could be considered as 'good news' to you - chances are you've misread it. |
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
55
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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:11:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:
Seeing as I've been trying to pull my pants up lately,
CCP Prism X wrote: Also Sentinella poked me
CCP Prism X wrote: But I did go around and poke some people
So this is whats going on at CCPs offices. Alot of pantless poking. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10
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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:13:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:Right! Essentially what this all boils down to is: "You will get ship-spinning back. It's only a question of fitting it into our plans.". I know, I didn't tell you anything new.  I hope you understand that the term 'ship spinning' means far more than that. It was the functionality and choice that came with a hanger view that we miss. The simple term ship spinning is just that, a simple term.
Edit: But we'll see what CCP does, rather than what you say tbh. CCP Zulu.....Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

Salpun
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
26
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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:14:00 -
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Thanks for giving us a update. |

Sentinella
Perkone Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:17:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:Also Sentinella poked me through EVE Mail... ok it was mostly that To be honest I sent an evemail to almost every CCP character. Since all threads about this have always been ignored I thought I might try a more direct approach.
CCP Prism X wrote:Please keep in mind that I'm a Database Developer not a Project Manager. But I did go around and poke some people who wield more power than just telling people off because their queries aren't seekable. Essentially what this all boils down to is: "You will get ship-spinning back. It's only a question of fitting it into our plans.". I know, I didn't tell you anything new.  But believe me, the people I spoke to seemed to understand the priority of this. They themselves will give you more concrete information as soon as they can, we all understand that the answer I just gave you isn't satisfactory, but it is the best I can give you.
It's better than nothing, at least it's still planned even if there is no ETA. And thanks a lot for taking the time to answer this, it wasn't that difficult wasn't it ? |
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CCP Prism X
C C P C C P Alliance
82

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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:19:00 -
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Sentinella wrote:And thanks a lot for taking the time to answer this, it wasn't that difficult wasn't it ?
Time will tell, this isn't my first camping trip.  ~ CCP Prism X EVE Database Developer If anything in this post was informative or could be considered as 'good news' to you - chances are you've misread it. |
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
55
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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:19:00 -
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Sentinella wrote:
It's better than nothing, at least it's still planned even if there is no ETA.
It practically is nothing. Though I do respect Prism and Soundwave(he posted on old forums) for actually responding instead of ignoring like usual.
See CCP is learning. |

Sentinella
Perkone Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:25:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote: It practically is nothing. Though I do respect Prism and Soundwave(he posted on old forums) for actually responding instead of ignoring like usual.
See CCP is learning.
Yeh it's not the answer I hoped for but at least they are answering, it's a step in the right direction and we didn't have many of these lately.
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Santonio Homes
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:30:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:Right! Seeing as I've been trying to pull my pants up lately, and start being active on the forums again, I might as well try and be useful as well rather than just attempting to be funny (Also Sentinella poked me through EVE Mail... ok it was mostly that  ). Please keep in mind that I'm a Database Developer not a Project Manager. But I did go around and poke some people who wield more power than just telling people off because their queries aren't seekable. Essentially what this all boils down to is: "You will get ship-spinning back. It's only a question of fitting it into our plans.". I know, I didn't tell you anything new.  But believe me, the people I spoke to seemed to understand the priority of this. They themselves will give you more concrete information as soon as they can, we all understand that the answer I just gave you isn't satisfactory, but it is the best I can give you. The reason for this being the best I can provide is that we are currently in the middle of a planning phase. Everything is up in the air and mutable at this point so promises aren't a current possibility. All I can really do is assure you that we're not ignoring the issue nor do we intend to bury it and hopefully the final plans will start to emerge soon and we can actually give you some insight into them. Also, I'm selling T2 Rock blueprints over in Ami. They're great for throwing back at me!  P.S. Ignore my signature in this case. I'm actually trying to be helpful and informative.
Prism X doing this you just became my favourite dev, just for trying.
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Vin Hellsing
52
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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:32:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:Right! Seeing as I've been trying to pull my pants up lately, and start being active on the forums again, I might as well try and be useful as well rather than just attempting to be funny (Also Sentinella poked me through EVE Mail... ok it was mostly that  ). Please keep in mind that I'm a Database Developer not a Project Manager. But I did go around and poke some people who wield more power than just telling people off because their queries aren't seekable. Essentially what this all boils down to is: "You will get ship-spinning back. It's only a question of fitting it into our plans.". I know, I didn't tell you anything new.  But believe me, the people I spoke to seemed to understand the priority of this. They themselves will give you more concrete information as soon as they can, we all understand that the answer I just gave you isn't satisfactory, but it is the best I can give you. The reason for this being the best I can provide is that we are currently in the middle of a planning phase. Everything is up in the air and mutable at this point so promises aren't a current possibility. All I can really do is assure you that we're not ignoring the issue nor do we intend to bury it and hopefully the final plans will start to emerge soon and we can actually give you some insight into them. Also, I'm selling T2 Rock blueprints over in Ami. They're great for throwing back at me!  P.S. Ignore my signature in this case. I'm actually trying to be helpful and informative.
Alright, thanks. I guess I can drop that particular question from the list of questions I've got going for the next Q&A. :)
Thank you for your response, Prism. *dons a monocle* |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:33:00 -
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Prisim X,
I'm a very optimistic person, I rarely say "bad things", however I can say with ease that the frustrations of the pilots are not being met and there's about to be another uproar if things like the hangar view with all of it's functionality isn't implemented with haste.
I want to make VERY clear that "ship spinning" is a term used to sum up that people want the functionality of the old hangar, NOT just the nostalgic spinning of the ship.
You've forced us to looking at a door. The game doesn't work if you have multiple clients unless your computer is the latest and greatest tech on the market.
You'll hear frequently "I've got 3 clients running great with max rez etc..." These people have over 1k of graphics cards in their computer.
The average player's computers are cooking. I've got a 295 GTX that literally cooks eggs now. No lie, the temp is high enough to boil an egg. This temp is not reached in any other game. The latest Crisis engine does not strain my computer nearly as much as CQ does.
This needs to be fixed, FAST. The attitude from CCP that "we'll get to it" will quickly tick people off who don't have $1k in graphics cards in their computer and want functionality back. |

Katowen
14
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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:41:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Prisim X,
I'm a very optimistic person, I rarely say "bad things", however I can say with ease that the frustrations of the pilots are not being met and there's about to be another uproar if things like the hangar view with all of it's functionality isn't implemented with haste.
I want to make VERY clear that "ship spinning" is a term used to sum up that people want the functionality of the old hangar, NOT just the nostalgic spinning of the ship.
You've forced us to looking at a door. The game doesn't work if you have multiple clients unless your computer is the latest and greatest tech on the market.
You'll hear frequently "I've got 3 clients running great with max rez etc..." These people have over 1k of graphics cards in their computer.
The average player's computers are cooking. I've got a 295 GTX that literally cooks eggs now. No lie, the temp is high enough to boil an egg. This temp is not reached in any other game. The latest Crisis engine does not strain my computer nearly as much as CQ does.
This needs to be fixed, FAST. The attitude from CCP that "we'll get to it" will quickly tick people off who don't have $1k in graphics cards in their computer and want functionality back.
I only run a GTS 8800 (2gig) card in my system and two clients run just fine on that, so it isn't the card...I really suspect it is your graphics settings.
Try changing the "PRESENT INTERVAL" to "Interval One". For me, this has made a huge difference on the fan speeds and how hot it runs. Katowen |
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