Please keep in mind that I'm a Database Developer not a Project Manager. But I did go around and poke some people who wield more power than just telling people off because their queries aren't seekable.

Essentially what this all boils down to is: "You will get ship-spinning back. It's only a question of fitting it into our plans.".
I know, I didn't tell you anything new.

But believe me, the people I spoke to seemed to understand the priority of this. They themselves will give you more concrete information as soon as they can, we all understand that the answer I just gave you isn't satisfactory, but it is the best I can give you.

The reason for this being the best I can provide is that we are currently in the middle of a planning phase. Everything is up in the air and mutable at this point so promises aren't a current possibility. All I can really do is assure you that we're not ignoring the issue nor do we intend to bury it and hopefully the final plans will start to emerge soon and we can actually give you some insight into them.

But that's me with my tinfoil, i'm sure there will be plenty of people that will tell you why there is no need for an option to CQ, and why you should have to load your avatar every time you dock for ammo.....

and this environment will be available until Incarna performance is similar to pre-Incarna performance.

They also said:


So if they get performance back before they release the new environment, then they would never need to release it.

Well the statement starts with "environment will be available" and at the moment it is not, so the later part of the statement does not apply. For a feature to be available "until" something happens, that feature has to exist first.

If you think about it for a second you will realize that the following statements are not equivalent:

"It will be available until condition x"

"It will be available unless condition x"

If you have trouble understanding the difference between those two sentences then I really have no interest in this discussion.

CCP said that the new environment will be released and I have no reason not to believe them (lol), so what's the ETA ?

have no problem understanding the difference at all.

If you think about it for a second you will realize that the following statements are not equivalent:

"It will be available until condition x"

"It will be available unless condition x"

If you have trouble understanding the difference between those two sentences then I really have no interest in this discussion.

CCP said that the new environment will be released and I have no reason not to believe them (lol), so what's the ETA ?

It's not like CCP have ever mislead us before

In the past they used to communicate with the players a lot, now the chances of CCP actually answering the simple question asked in this thread are next to zero.

Seeing as I've been trying to pull my pants up lately,

Also Sentinella poked me

But I did go around and poke some people

Right!

Essentially what this all boils down to is: "You will get ship-spinning back. It's only a question of fitting it into our plans.".
I know, I didn't tell you anything new.

Also Sentinella poked me through EVE Mail... ok it was mostly that

Please keep in mind that I'm a Database Developer not a Project Manager. But I did go around and poke some people who wield more power than just telling people off because their queries aren't seekable.

Essentially what this all boils down to is: "You will get ship-spinning back. It's only a question of fitting it into our plans.".
I know, I didn't tell you anything new.

But believe me, the people I spoke to seemed to understand the priority of this. They themselves will give you more concrete information as soon as they can, we all understand that the answer I just gave you isn't satisfactory, but it is the best I can give you.

And thanks a lot for taking the time to answer this, it wasn't that difficult wasn't it ?

It's better than nothing, at least it's still planned even if there is no ETA.

It practically is nothing. Though I do respect Prism and Soundwave(he posted on old forums) for actually responding instead of ignoring like usual.

See CCP is learning.

Right!

Seeing as I've been trying to pull my pants up lately, and start being active on the forums again, I might as well try and be useful as well rather than just attempting to be funny (Also Sentinella poked me through EVE Mail... ok it was mostly that ). Please keep in mind that I'm a Database Developer not a Project Manager. But I did go around and poke some people who wield more power than just telling people off because their queries aren't seekable.

Essentially what this all boils down to is: "You will get ship-spinning back. It's only a question of fitting it into our plans.".
I know, I didn't tell you anything new.

But believe me, the people I spoke to seemed to understand the priority of this. They themselves will give you more concrete information as soon as they can, we all understand that the answer I just gave you isn't satisfactory, but it is the best I can give you.

The reason for this being the best I can provide is that we are currently in the middle of a planning phase. Everything is up in the air and mutable at this point so promises aren't a current possibility. All I can really do is assure you that we're not ignoring the issue nor do we intend to bury it and hopefully the final plans will start to emerge soon and we can actually give you some insight into them.

Also, I'm selling T2 Rock blueprints over in Ami. They're great for throwing back at me!

P.S. Ignore my signature in this case. I'm actually trying to be helpful and informative.

Right!

Seeing as I've been trying to pull my pants up lately, and start being active on the forums again, I might as well try and be useful as well rather than just attempting to be funny (Also Sentinella poked me through EVE Mail... ok it was mostly that ). Please keep in mind that I'm a Database Developer not a Project Manager. But I did go around and poke some people who wield more power than just telling people off because their queries aren't seekable.

Essentially what this all boils down to is: "You will get ship-spinning back. It's only a question of fitting it into our plans.".
I know, I didn't tell you anything new.

But believe me, the people I spoke to seemed to understand the priority of this. They themselves will give you more concrete information as soon as they can, we all understand that the answer I just gave you isn't satisfactory, but it is the best I can give you.

The reason for this being the best I can provide is that we are currently in the middle of a planning phase. Everything is up in the air and mutable at this point so promises aren't a current possibility. All I can really do is assure you that we're not ignoring the issue nor do we intend to bury it and hopefully the final plans will start to emerge soon and we can actually give you some insight into them.

Also, I'm selling T2 Rock blueprints over in Ami. They're great for throwing back at me!

P.S. Ignore my signature in this case. I'm actually trying to be helpful and informative.

Prisim X,

I'm a very optimistic person, I rarely say "bad things", however I can say with ease that the frustrations of the pilots are not being met and there's about to be another uproar if things like the hangar view with all of it's functionality isn't implemented with haste.

I want to make VERY clear that "ship spinning" is a term used to sum up that people want the functionality of the old hangar, NOT just the nostalgic spinning of the ship.

You've forced us to looking at a door. The game doesn't work if you have multiple clients unless your computer is the latest and greatest tech on the market.

You'll hear frequently "I've got 3 clients running great with max rez etc..." These people have over 1k of graphics cards in their computer.

The average player's computers are cooking. I've got a 295 GTX that literally cooks eggs now. No lie, the temp is high enough to boil an egg. This temp is not reached in any other game. The latest Crisis engine does not strain my computer nearly as much as CQ does.

This needs to be fixed, FAST. The attitude from CCP that "we'll get to it" will quickly tick people off who don't have $1k in graphics cards in their computer and want functionality back.

Prisim X,

I'm a very optimistic person, I rarely say "bad things", however I can say with ease that the frustrations of the pilots are not being met and there's about to be another uproar if things like the hangar view with all of it's functionality isn't implemented with haste.

I want to make VERY clear that "ship spinning" is a term used to sum up that people want the functionality of the old hangar, NOT just the nostalgic spinning of the ship.

You've forced us to looking at a door. The game doesn't work if you have multiple clients unless your computer is the latest and greatest tech on the market.

You'll hear frequently "I've got 3 clients running great with max rez etc..." These people have over 1k of graphics cards in their computer.

The average player's computers are cooking. I've got a 295 GTX that literally cooks eggs now. No lie, the temp is high enough to boil an egg. This temp is not reached in any other game. The latest Crisis engine does not strain my computer nearly as much as CQ does.

This needs to be fixed, FAST. The attitude from CCP that "we'll get to it" will quickly tick people off who don't have $1k in graphics cards in their computer and want functionality back.

Prism X doing this you just became my favourite dev, just for trying.

I hate the captain's quarters and I am using "the door" but it's really bad. When will you put back the old hangar view ? It's been some time now, any ETA ?


EDIT: CCP Prism was very kind to try to find out an answer to my question:

What I think I would like to see instead of the "door" or automatically entering the CQ, is a modified version of the FITTING SCREEN (re-organized to fit the 'hanger view' area when you are docked into a station). IIRC, all the functionally is already there that we were use to. Then just have an option in the right-click menu to "Enter the CQ".

Right!



Essentially what this all boils down to is: "You will get ship-spinning back. It's only a question of fitting it into our plans.".
I know, I didn't tell you anything new.


The reason for this being the best I can provide is that we are currently in the middle of a planning phase. Everything is up in the air and mutable at this point so promises aren't a current possibility. All I can really do is assure you that we're not ignoring the issue nor do we intend to bury it and hopefully the final plans will start to emerge soon and we can actually give you some insight into them.
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P.S. Ignore my signature in this case. I'm actually trying to be helpful and informative.

[quote=AnzacPaul]

Dock to station > Old hanger view >Button on right hand station pane > Eject from pod to Captain's Quarters.

This is how it needs to be done and how it should have been done to start with.

This is how it needs to be done and how it should have been done to start with.

no, just no

old one was bad in some things and it must be recognized.

What a decent person would want is improved hangar view.
Maybe with ships being brought to you from abyss?
with buttons and NOF**king rightclicks, yo ualready have buttons implemented for some actions - reuse those

show a panel, a wall with a telly (everyone likes ponies?right? ... guys?)
show me my ship of course.
I really didn't like the right click fest that was the old UI, and with carbon you have a chance to remove it, use this chance.

(if you cannot do above - give us at least old one back...)

It has been confirmed that they cannot reimplement the old ship hangar system, because it would play havoc with Incarna. Sorry.

Just keep the pressure on, I'm sure they'll find a way to implement a new version of the ship hangar.

Time will tell, this isn't my first camping trip.

I hate the captain's quarters and I am using "the door" but it's really bad. When will you put back the old hangar view ? It's been some time now, any ETA ?


EDIT: CCP Prism was very kind to try to find out an answer to my question:

And I agree. PrismX is very kind and a pretty cool dude as well. Don't tell him I said so

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It has been confirmed that they cannot reimplement the old ship hangar system, because it would play havoc with Incarna. Sorry.

Just keep the pressure on, I'm sure they'll find a way to implement a new version of the ship hangar.

Use Incarna itself then. The active ship is already rendered in the hangar. All you have to do is center the camera focus on that ship, lock it there, and don't render your avatar. Add a button on the menu to "Leave Pod", which releases the camera focus and renders your avatar.

Double-click the ship opens your cargohold, and voila. You have ship spinning and all the old functionality working in Incarna.

It's really not difficult, all the mechanisms are already there.

Use Incarna itself then. The active ship is already rendered in the hangar. All you have to do is center the camera focus on that ship, lock it there, and don't render your avatar. Add a button on the menu to "Leave Pod", which releases the camera focus and renders your avatar.

Double-click the ship opens your cargohold, and voila. You have ship spinning and all the old functionality working in Incarna.

It's really not difficult, all the mechanisms are already there.

Right!

Essentially what this all boils down to is: "You will get ship-spinning back. It's only a question of fitting it into our plans.".
I know, I didn't tell you anything new.

Thanks for taking the time to post Prism, here is a plan that works for everyone, roleplayers, bittervets, and burning video card folk alike, please pass this suggestion on.



Dock to station > Old hanger view >Button on right hand station pane > Eject from pod to Captain's Quarters.

Crunch,

The answer for this is to make one certain function only available from inside the station. Hell, it could be clone upgrades. As long as you force a walk for something you accomplish the marketing goal. People are vain, they are still gonna buy stuff from Nex. People are buying it now just for their portraits...

wtf are these complains about?

ship spinning?
really?

wtf are these complains about?

ship spinning?
really?
are you serious?

I care less about that than my hybrids/wallente ships being looked at.

Pick the warm in your pants and spin it !!

Bunch of old winners

[quote=AnzacPaul]


Add to that an option to load CQ as default and I'm happy. I basically like CQ and think Incarna will be good for the good game, eventually. Once there is some actual content delivered to it obviously.

I do think that players should be encouraged to engage with it as the whole thing will be better with maximum participation, but there needs to be an acceptable alternative for those with struggling hardware issues.

I would like to suggest to Devs that pilot when docking to station have option to leave pod, if he or she choses so, CQ will load. If pilot choses to stay in ship because he will be undocking soon we get Hangar view like it was before. That would make more sence because why would my character leave pod if I just dock up to avoid beeing shot at or switch ship ect.

If pilot can control whole ship I am sure he or she could do that without leaving ship, remotely. I think EVE universe tec is advanced enough to allow this, if not then make a story how Gallente found a way to do that.

ne likes ponies?right? ... guys?)
show me my ship of course.
I really didn't like the right click fest that was the old UI, and with carbon you have a chance to remove it, use this chance.

(if you cannot do above - give us at least old one back...)

I only run a GTS 8800 (2gig) card in my system and two clients run just fine on that, so it isn't the card...I really suspect it is your graphics settings.

Try changing the "PRESENT INTERVAL" to "Interval One". For me, this has made a huge difference on the fan speeds and how hot it runs.

Ship spinning is old, antiquated, useless and has been replaced with the more much useful Captain's Quarters. Good riddance to ship spinning. All they need to do is performance optimization on the CQ.

So the problem again is that your trying to run eve on 5 or 10 year old PC's... OK then maybe it is time to upgrade and send the antiques to museums. O_o;

So the problem again is that your trying to run eve on 5 or 10 year old PC's... OK then maybe it is time to upgrade and send the antiques to museums. O_o;

So this is whats going on at CCPs offices. Alot of pantless poking.

DX 10 cards > have heat issues with CQ, known issue, waiting on fix. This was supposed to be fixed already yet it hasn't.

The current work around is to have a 3rd party fan control program that jacks your fan speeds up earlier than factory default. I didn't have the heat issues with my 9800 GT (identical card to yours just refactored) but there's a huge performance difference between the 9800 GT and the 295 GTX.

I know about forcing frame rates FYI. The best way to do this is via the driver CP by turning on "vsynch".