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Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.02.03 18:34:00 - [1] I have decided to go with somthing differant than my last post. Here it is. Racial Industries Goal - This thread is not for 1 single IPO. This thread is for 4 IPO's. Each IPO will be based on Race. Investors have 4 Choices, Amarr, Gallente, Minmatar, Gallente. Each race will have it's own IPO, the better that Race does the higher that IPO's dividends will be. All IPO's will be advertised equally, each IPO will have any amount of Factory slots it needs, and each IPO will be started with the same amount of isk and products. Over all each IPO will be identical other than its specific Race. I have listed the basics of what each IPO will contain below. When I get good deals on other T2 Gear, or racial gear it will fall under one of the 4 races based on the Item. I will also be selling pre-fit ships and such, based on current PVE and PVP setups. This may make things better for some races some months, but will not be intentionally looking to make 1 IPO better than another. I will be buying an equal amount of shares in Each IPO and each IPO will pay me 250mil Isk per month. If I require a POS for researching, copying, each IPO will pay equally to the fuel costs. Amarr - All Ships to include - Industrials (T1 Haulers), Frigs, Cruisers, BC's & BS's All Crystal Type Ammo's (Small, Medium, Large) All Laser Type Guns All Rigs other than Shield Rigs and Speed Rigs All Gear sold with the Amarr ships All Amarr type components that I build All Cap Recharging Type Gear other than Power Diags Any other gear sold with Amarr ships will be counted as an Amarr IPO Sale even if that type gear goes with another IPO. Example if someone buys 20 Drones with 2 Amarr BS's, those drone sales go to Amarr even though Drones fall under Gallente. Same goes for all other races. Gallente - All Ships to include Industrials (T1 Haulers) Frigs, Cruisers, BC's & BS's All Drones All Hybird Type Guns All Hybird Type Ammo All Gear Sold with the Gallente Ships All Mining Type Gear All Gallente type components I sell Minmatar All Ships to include - Industrials (T1 Haulers), Frigs, Cruisers, BC's & BS's All Speed type modules including Speed Rigs All Projectile Guns All Projectile Ammo All Gear Sold with Minmatar Ships All Probing Type Gear All Minmatar Type Components I sell Caldari All Ships to include - Industrials (T1 Haulers), Frigs, Cruisers, BC's & BS's All Missile Launchers All Missile Sales All Shield Type Gear including Rigs All Cap Boosters All Power Diags All Caldari type components I sell How it will work overall - Each Race will have it's own Character (This is still in the works, creating / utilizing 4 different characters, creating the corps and shares for each of these. Once each Racial Character is created, and Each Corp is created, the IPO's will begin. Each character will pay the dividends for its Race. I will not be using these characters for the building or selling of the Racial Items, My Corp will hold a hanger for each Race and a Wallet for each Race to keep things separate. I will look into the API Keys to see if people can still watch each wallet in my Corp to see how there IPO Is going. Each IPO will be 14 Billion Isk with only 1400 Shares. (10mil Isk Per Share), I will be buying 700 Shares from each IPO, so only 700 Shares per IPO will be sold. I am limiting the purchases of shares to only 25 shares for each IPO per Person. If I see you are trying to use an alt to purchase more than your share of shares, I will not sell to you period. This should prevent any one person from owning the IPO. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.02.03 18:35:00 - [2] I hope to open the IPO February 15th 2008, the first dividends will be paid out June 1st 2008. This time will be used to research some BPO's, buy minerals, and start building. I expect Junes Payout to be low. I will not take my Isk for running the IPO until August 2008. At the end of each month, the 28th, 29th, 31st what ever it is, I will be paying the dividends for that month. Here will be the breakdown for dividends 1. 250mil To me for running the IPO 2. 100mil To the IPO for growth 3. What ever is left goes to Share Holders Now this IPO will be based a lot on aprox Values due to mineral changes. Each IPO will fall under the same mineral prices. Non-Sold ships will be worth the Mineral Cost not the ship cost due to obvious reasons. To you are not only investing in me, your investing in the minerals I buy which can dramatically change the IPO's value from month to month. Some disclaimers or other things I foresee, I come home from a 7mth deployment in May, until then I will have my Wife setting things up for me. She will create the characters, corps, shares and give the shares to each person that they are due to. I plan on using Ricdic to research the BS and BC BPO's for me, I have all other BPO's researched already. Once I get home I will be running things for the most part, I will still have 2 and 3 week deployments for the next 4 to 6mths after I leave. These will have an impact on the IPO, and I will make up for these impacts with taking no pay some months, and paying out my dividends worth of shares sometimes if need be. But I want to let you all know the problems that can arrise before you invest. This is more of a Fun IPO for me, I want people to bet on what IPO of the 4 will do better each month, I will put out facts about what IPO sold the most Frigs this month and will try and put out any other facts that people want to know. This can be a very fun competing type IPO, multiple share owners, and over all a good thing for Market Place Community. I am not promising anything dividend wise, dividends may be low as 4 or 5% and high as 20%. It all depends on the customers, which IPO is doing well that month and how much time I have that month to work things. I am not taking any reservations, I will let people know a few days in advance when shares will become available for sale, and on that day at what ever time I choose the flood gates can open. If I don't see the isk I need flowing in within a week or so time, I will open up the maximum shares or I will close the IPO if I feel nobody likes this idea. If this works well, and things are going really well, it is possible I may do an addition to Each IPO with Capital Ships, so forth and so on. It all varies on you the customers, you the share holders, and my time. This will be the thread I use for the Sale of these shares, and also the place for any questions or concerns you may have. I will create a new thread when I start paying dividends for the facts for each race and such. For those of you who wanted in on my 200bil isk IPO I apologize, I just don't want to start something that big without the time available to me that I would want to put into it. With this IPO I am telling you I may throw the BPO's into a Copy Slot for 2-3 weeks at a time when my time gets ruff, sell the BPC's and that will be your dividends. It all varies again on my time, and customers. If I have to close the IPO out at a later date 1 of 2 things will happen. I will use my personal isk and just buyout everything at current value's and payout the dividends or I will sell everything and do the same. Also I already know I spelt some things wrong in this thread, I am not the smartest person, that has already been proven more than once, so lets not make a big issue of it please. If you let me know where I screwed up I will gladly fix it. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.02.03 19:20:00 - [3] ill pass on this --
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.02.03 19:27:00 - [4] Originally by: Treelox ill pass on this Ditto. While it may be a fun experiment for you PP I don't see this helping investors in any way. Investors would be best served by you figuring out the best 10-20 items with the highest margins and focusing on them. Rather than working with boatloads of items from every race. I speak as someone who was not interested in the previous iteration of your plan, so the real question will be what interest is shown by those people who offered 10-50 billion to you before. I just think you should be very careful to limit the scope to something you are definitely going to be able to handle and work up from there. Why start so large that you could end up burning yourself out completely. I wouldn't even want to manage one race of your plan, no less all four. But if you're able to run all of them then that is mighty impressive. I still think you'll sell out due to your past success. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.02.03 19:51:00 - [5] I can understand some not liking this plan, its somthing new. Per it selling out, I am not sure if it will or not, what ever does not sell out I have the isk to the entire thing out myself so not a big issue, just want to start somthing new and interesting for the community. Per dividends, anyone that followed my last IPO knows I have always been able to payout max dividends. My guess is first few months will be lower due to deployments, time, and just getting things running smoothly, once that time period is over I will probably hit some very nice dividends considering I will still be building componets which is part of this IPO. That alone should make me 2 to 6bil isk a month profit, enough to cover a 5% to 10% dividend before any other parts of my plan even come into play. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2008.02.03 20:12:00 - [6] It's an interesting idea but I have a few concerns/questions: 1. It seems like a MASSIVE amount of work. As Shardale says, I wouldn't want to run even one of the racial divsions, never mind all four. 2. There is a very long lead time on getting any return at all from any investment I might make. 3. Are you planning to list each of these companies on one or other of the exchanges? -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.02.03 20:16:00 - [7] a reason for my passing, besides the ones that the others have brought up, is that it seems foolish as an investor to put all your eggs in one basket(race). As an investor you would be far better served to be diversified across the races and not get hit so much by FOTM trends and such. With that in mind it seems foolish to package it as 4 seperate IPO's, the investor would be far better served if it was just packaged as a single ipo, to better weather market trends. Yes ofc one could just buy equal stakes in all four of the IPO's but that seems like extra foolishness and work that I just dont plan to tolerate. --
SiJira	Posted - 2008.02.03 20:49:00 - [8] very complex writeup that might be a good thing from proton Trashed sig, Shark was here
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.02.03 20:53:00 - [9] Originally by: Ambo It's an interesting idea but I have a few concerns/questions: 1. It seems like a MASSIVE amount of work. As Shardale says, I wouldn't want to run even one of the racial divsions, never mind all four. 2. There is a very long lead time on getting any return at all from any investment I might make. 3. Are you planning to list each of these companies on one or other of the exchanges? 1. Not sure why this is a massive amount of work. Haul in minerals, build stuff, advertise on forums, sell on market, and at end of month redifine value of IPO, Payout Divies. Not any more work than I would do with or without the IPO other than check value of the IPO at the end of the month. 2. I agree 100%. With this IPO depending on Blue Prints and such, it will take a little time to get it going, I hope that my later payouts more than make up for this though. 3. I am sure all of them will be listed. Can't promise that since I have talked to nobody, but I don't forsee having an issue with that. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.02.03 20:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Treelox a reason for my passing, besides the ones that the others have brought up, is that it seems foolish as an investor to put all your eggs in one basket(race). As an investor you would be far better served to be diversified across the races and not get hit so much by FOTM trends and such. With that in mind it seems foolish to package it as 4 seperate IPO's, the investor would be far better served if it was just packaged as a single ipo, to better weather market trends. Yes ofc one could just buy equal stakes in all four of the IPO's but that seems like extra foolishness and work that I just dont plan to tolerate. I think that is what makes this so much more fun. Markets are suppose to go up and down, have trends, good times and bad times. That is what I am trying to create here on a smaller scale yes, but still the same principle. And like you many others will not like this, but I hope and feel that we have some die hard Amarr fans out there that will want to invest in that, and then other Minmatar fans, and then on top of that you have others that will want to try and pick the winning race (the one that pays out the most). That is what makes this more fun I think instead of just a generic IPO with all 4 races as one IMO. And I do respect you and your decision please don't think I am trying to blow it off, but I have decided to go this route to cause some excitement. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.02.03 21:42:00 - [11] Originally by: Proton Power Goal - This thread is not for 1 single IPO. This thread is for 4 IPO's. Each IPO will be based on Race. Investors have 4 Choices, Amarr, Gallente, Minmatar, Gallente. I find it offensive you haven't listed Caldari there
Kwint Sommer Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.02.03 21:44:00 - [12] Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Originally by: Proton Power Goal - This thread is not for 1 single IPO. This thread is for 4 IPO's. Each IPO will be based on Race. Investors have 4 Choices, Amarr, Gallente, Minmatar, Gallente. I find it offensive you haven't listed Caldari there Racist! 5% Mining & Manufacturing Implants
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.02.03 21:56:00 - [13] Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Originally by: Proton Power Goal - This thread is not for 1 single IPO. This thread is for 4 IPO's. Each IPO will be based on Race. Investors have 4 Choices, Amarr, Gallente, Minmatar, Caldari. I find this IPO Great and you wonderful, i wish i was just like you, I want all of the Caldari shares Sorry, I can't allow you to buy them all, that would be unfair of me. Now for those that can't take a joke here is what he really said. Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Originally by: Proton Power Goal - This thread is not for 1 single IPO. This thread is for 4 IPO's. Each IPO will be based on Race. Investors have 4 Choices, Amarr, Gallente, Minmatar, Gallente. I find it offensive you haven't listed Caldari there Thanks fixed it. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Quilan Mesura Pangalactic United Trading	Posted - 2008.02.03 21:58:00 - [14] i like the rp-ish approach on this - as well as the creation of something like an all-in-one ship-service i don't know how much the difference between the ship-sales per race is (gotta chk dev-blog) but the dividends per race may vary heavily ofc it's not just selling top-sellers and as such it may not produce highest possible returns but i think this could also serve as a platform for more to be build on top - also with one eye on all the things to come we don't know anything about yet.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.02.03 22:01:00 - [15] Other than a few people have not seen as many comments, concerns or likes and dislikes of this. Anyone else have thoughts on it, like it, hate it, what ever. I dont' get scared of people not likeing my idea's, makes it more of a challenge and fun for me. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.02.03 22:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Quilan Mesura i like the rp-ish approach on this - as well as the creation of something like an all-in-one ship-service i don't know how much the difference between the ship-sales per race is (gotta chk dev-blog) but the dividends per race may vary heavily ofc it's not just selling top-sellers and as such it may not produce highest possible returns but i think this could also serve as a platform for more to be build on top - also with one eye on all the things to come we don't know anything about yet. Thank you, this is what I am trying to get at. Its a great platform for Roll Players, a great way to invest in what you think will happen in 6mths. And as you pointed out a way to invest in wahts selling now, but taking a chance because in 2mths that item may still be selling or been nerfed. For those that want an even share in all 4 due to not like taking chances they can buy into all 4 IPO's. I have tried to make this so it suits many people as possible while adding somthing unique that I have not seen done as of yet. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.02.03 22:16:00 - [17] It's an interesting idea, one I'd never try and collate the resources together to do, far too much work for me. I do enjoy the idea of racial industries and that RP-ish side of it, and I can't help but think while the returns on this IPO won't be best, it'll be robust to the sufferings of FOTM trends. In other words, this comes across as being low-return, but low risk investments. On a side note, damn you Ricdic. Ever since you made comment a while back about PP's sig and what it looks like, I just can't take it seriously Improve Market Competition!
Jennine Tyler NewDawn	Posted - 2008.02.03 22:24:00 - [18] I was kinda interested in your previous IPO Idea; to the tune of 3bn if i recall. This has me much less interested though; granted i'd probably give you the max investment, but at only 1bn well... its another IPO from a trusted enough player, and its not like its alot to loose. This does kinda sound like your just playing about though; rather than trying to capture the serious investers here.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.02.03 22:30:00 - [19] Originally by: Jennine Tyler I was kinda interested in your previous IPO Idea; to the tune of 3bn if i recall. This has me much less interested though; granted i'd probably give you the max investment, but at only 1bn well... its another IPO from a trusted enough player, and its not like its alot to loose. This does kinda sound like your just playing about though; rather than trying to capture the serious investers here. It is serious, but not so serious I am worried about it I guess like I was with 200bil. With 200bil I was worried about people calling me a scammer, dealing with trust issues, and the plan I had was iffy due to Nerfs, I was basing a lot of my last plan on current Eve, not what Eve will be like in 6mths or a year. WIth this plan ships will always sell, its just how many can I sell and what race is the Flavor of the Month. Then add in the RP aspect, and other various items. I plan on offering some betting tools to bet on the race that sells the most Cruisers or Frigs differant months, and whats funny is people can actually change those outcomes by buying the ships from me which creates profit for all hands as well. Could become very interesting I think. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.02.03 22:31:00 - [20] total thread derail, sorry for that in advance PP, I wish to talk to you about something totally seperate from this IPO, do you currently have access to your yahoo email account that you used for msn? If so, I shall send you an email. --
Clurk Brodon Yog-Sothoth Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.02.03 22:33:00 - [21] Well tbh... Building T1 frigs seems to be a waste of manufacturing slots.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.02.03 23:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Clurk Brodon Well tbh... Building T1 frigs seems to be a waste of manufacturing slots. Not going to say I disagree, but when I have 120ish factory slots available and skills to run them all not to worried about it. I have a few plans up my sleaves, entire t1 frigs setup in bulk can make a little isk, not tons but enough to do it. Tree - Email me at [email protected] its 2:30am here so not sure how much longer I will be up though so you know. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
SonOfAGhost Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz	Posted - 2008.02.03 23:44:00 - [23] I'm inclined to agree this is unlikely to be a highly profitable stock issue. However it should be profitable and fills a niche that should make it good for the game, not just yourself and/or shareholders. So I'd be interested in 10-25 of each depending where my isk is at the time you're ready to launch. Originally by: CCP Explorer This is intended, to not clutter the overview with information that new players don't need in their first few hours. (on stargates not being on overview)
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.02.04 06:55:00 - [24] Characters being created. Should have all 4 made within 24hrs, corps made within 48hrs, and shares made within 96hrs. Working on some ways to make some isk right away so that I can pay dividends a little quicker or a lot higher dividend in June. Current Plan is to open the IPO February 15th at 0001 eve time. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Danari Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.04 14:36:00 - [25] Will your caldari ipo be selling... ravens? dr evil pinkie gesture I'll take a bil of that action \o/
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.02.04 15:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Danari Will your caldari ipo be selling... ravens? dr evil pinkie gesture I'll take a bil of that action \o/ Yes, Each race will be selling Every T1 Non-Capital Ship. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Deez Onit	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:33:00 - [27] i'll be buying some stake
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.02.05 20:06:00 - [28] Lets keep this on Page 1 for now shall we. Everything is on track to still open this up, looking at some possibilities to make some isk while away so June Payout can be a little Higher, or even possibly a payout in May. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.02.07 07:20:00 - [29] All characters have been created. All Corps have been created. All Shares in progress of being created. Everything is still on Track with this project. Anyone else have questions, concerns, comments... Looks like I will open up share sales on the 15th at 0001. I will send out a character list so you can invest in your paticular race that you choose. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Eefrit Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2008.02.07 07:28:00 - [30] Us Jovians want a Jove racial group! Polaris FTW!

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